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Chris Jennings
End of Days: Ruby Ridge, the Apocalypse, and the Unmaking of America
New York: Little, Brown and Company, 2026
While the 24-hour news channels focused on Hurricane Andrew battering southern Florida in August of 1992, federal agents participated in a siege — or standoff, depending on your point of view — of the Weaver family’s residence. This happened because the family’s patriarch, Randy Weaver, had deliberately failed to show up for a court hearing related to a minor weapons violation. The judge then issued a bench warrant that made Randy a fugitive. US Marshalls were tasked with bringing him in, his residence already being known to law enforcement. He and his family — wife Vicki, son Samuel, and daughters Sara, Rachel, and Elisheba — had built a cabin on their homestead on Cariboo Ridge, which is next to Ruby Creek in northern Idaho. The media would come to call the place Ruby Ridge.
The Weaver family were armed and determined not to let Randy go. After what in military terms is called a “meeting engagement” between 14-year-old Samuel Weaver and a US Marshall named William F. Degan Jr. in which both were killed (Degan was shot by Kevin Harris, a family friend who was living at the cabin), a battalion’s worth of federal agents encamped near the Weaver property in a location prophetically called Homicide Meadow and moved to lay siege to their residence and arrest Randy. Shots were fired by an FBI sniper — of Asian origin — on the first day of the siege, but the FBI did not know whether he had actually hit anyone until several days later.
At the end of the 11-day standoff, Randy was finally arrested after Bo Gritz, then a presidential candidate, was called in by the FBI to act as a mediator, and he convinced Randy to surrender peacefully. The family matriarch, Vicki Weaver née Jordison, had been shot to death, and Kevin Harris had been seriously wounded. Randy had likewise been shot in the arm, but was not seriously injured. Federal agents arrest fugitives all the time, and such standoffs — if they are reported on at all — typically only make the local news. The siege at Ruby Ridge was different. The story of the affair exploded in the American public’s consciousness in a way that resulted in Congressional hearings, a made-for-TV movie, and eventually, a tragic and evil retaliatory bombing in Oklahoma City.
Chis Jennings’ book does not offer a detailed description of the federal government’s mistakes in the incident. Until the accidental shootout where Sam and Marshall Degan were killed, the authorities had in fact acted with enormous restraint. Instead, the book focuses on Randy and Vicki’s theological ideas, and how the wider ferment in American Christianity at the time had contributed to their radical lifestyle. The Weavers were radical, but only insofar as they were at the pioneering edge of a society-wide religious shift. The affair at Ruby Ridge became a reference point in American discourse because millions of Americans shared Randy and Vicki’s worldview — albeit in most cases not to the same degree. It comes down to theology and a great spiritual awakening that began to affect American whites starting in the late 1960s.
Randy & Vicki
Randy Weaver was an Iowan whose family was of mostly Pennsylvania German origins. They were Presbyterians. Vicki’s family roots went back to an immigrant couple from Northern England. They had gone to Iowa to mine coal in a town aptly named Coalville, later purchasing a farm there after the mine played out. Vicki’s mother was a Congregationalist, but her father was a member of a Mormon sect: the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (RLDS). The RLDS congregation had remained in the Midwest under the leadership of Joseph Smith III while most other Mormons went to Utah. It survives to this day, having adopted the name Community of Christ in 2001. The RLDS takes the view that its members were “a prophetic people,” some of whom had divinely-inspired visions. Both the RLDS and the Congregationalists inculcate a sense of chosenness in their followers.
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Randy had served in the US Army during the Vietnam War, where he became a Green Beret, but he had not deployed to South Vietnam. After leaving the military as a sergeant, Randy married Vicki in a Congregationalist church. There were two ministers at the wedding: one a Congregationalist, the other RLDS. The couple then moved to Cedar Falls, Iowa, where they sold Amway products. Randy also worked at the local John Deere plant.
American Christianity During the Late Cold War Era
Selling Amway products was a way to make money, but selling it was also a political act. Amway is short for “American Way” and was the brainchild of a Michigander businessman, Rick DeVos. Amway salesmen had initially developed a network to distribute soap and other cleaning supplies. DeVos was also a Christian Fundamentalist. He poured much of his earnings into advancing Christianity in various ways.
DeVos was not above using underhanded tactics for his own benefit. For example, he spread rumors that his main rival, Proctor & Gamble, were Satanists and that their logo, which consisted of a moon with stars, was an occult symbol. Proctor & Gamble ended up changing their logo and even sponsored a Christian-themed TV miniseries called A.D. in 1985.
Widespread concern over Satanism in the United States during the 1980s came to be called the Satanic Panic. Some popular music at the time was making allusions to devil worship, and the role-playing game Dungeons & Dragons, which contained some occult overtones, had become a hit for bored, homebound boys. Alongside this was the worry that American women were feeling as they left their children home alone or at a day care center while they went to work every day. Women were entering the workforce in large numbers for the first time — not only because of feminism, but because they had to. The economy in the 1980s was shifting toward neo-liberalism outsourcing, and inflation meant that families needed to earn more. Two incomes became vital for survival.
One of the key men who spread the idea that Satanism was a growing national threat was John Todd. Todd was a dubious character who drifted between Satanism and Christianity throughout his life. While in his Christian phase, he warned audiences across the country about the Satanic messages that could be found in music albums and role-playing games. For a time, he became so prominent that he was featured in a series of Christian Fundamentalist comic books under the title Chick Tracts. In March of 1983, Randy and Vicki Weaver had quietly organized a conference at the Cedar Falls Holiday Inn where Todd was a speaker. In other ways their activism was pronounced: they held meetings at a local restaurant, and distributed literature and cassette tapes promoting their religious beliefs.
The Weavers were influenced by three separate theological developments in American Christianity at the time. The first was Fundamentalism. This movement was a reaction against the Higher Criticism Movement, which looked at the Bible from a modernist perspective and insisted that Mary, the mother of Jesus couldn’t have been a virgin, among other points. The Fundamentalists had taken their name from a series of works sponsored by a wealthy businessman that had been published and distributed in the early twentieth century.
Fundamentalists have a reputation for being uneducated Southern hicks, but this stems from the media furor surrounding the 1925 Scopes Monkey Trial — a publicity stunt that had been intended to bring visitors to eastern Tennessee. The heart of the Scopes Monkey Trial was a duel between lawyers William Jennings Bryan and Clarance Darrow. Bryan was a politician, not a strict Fundamentalist; he wanted to use the trial to bring down Social Darwinism rather than the Theory of Evolution. Regardless, the men driving Fundamentalism were well-educated, knew Greek and Hebrew, and were mostly from the North.
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The Weavers were also influenced by Christian Identity. This is a movement within American and British Christianity rather than a denomination in itself. It holds that Anglo–Saxons and related peoples are descended from the “Ten Lost Tribes” of the Northern Kingdom of Israel. The most important proponent of Christian Identity in the Weavers’ story was William Potter Gale, whose sermons were broadcast on AM radio stations across the Midwest in the 1980s. Those in the Christian Identity movement often use the names “Yahweh” for God, who is the Father in a Trinitarian view, and “Yeshua,” the Hebrew name for Jesus Christ.
The most important theological trend influencing the Weavers was Premillennial Dispensationalism. This theology offers a dual-faceted interpretation of the Book of Revelation.[1] Premillennialism holds that Jesus Christ will eventually return in order to “Rapture” all faithful Christians and send them to heaven. After the Rapture, the Antichrist will rise to create an evil one-world government that will usher in a Time of Tribulation lasting seven years. Other prophetic books in the Bible that contribute to this view include Ezekiel and Daniel. After seven years, in this view, Christ will return and rule the Earth with a “rod of iron.” Dispensationalism, for its part, posits that modern Israel will be at the center of the events prophesied in Revelation. As a result, Premillennial Dispensationalism encourages American support for Israel.
The founder of this theological viewpoint was a man named John Nelson Darby. He would influence Cyrus Scofield, who published a version of the Bible containing footnotes that explained biblical verses from the Premillennial Dispensationalist interpretation. The Scofield Bible, first published in 1909, sold millions of copies and was distributed across the United States during the first half of the twentieth century.
In short, Darby divided human history in the following way:
- Creation through the apple in the Garden of Eden.
- The fall until the flood.
- The Rainbow Covenant until Abraham.
- The era of God’s special covenant with Abraham and Israel.
- Moses receiving the law until the crucifixion.
- The resurrection until Armageddon. (You are here.)
- Christ’s millennial reign on Earth.
Premillennialism holds that things are getting worse. It is the opposite of Postmillennialism, which was the dominant viewpoint during the founding of America. This view holds that things will get better until a vague apocalyptic climax as described in Revelation, which it is said will occur in the distant future.
There are political and racial implications in Postmillennialism being in opposition to Premillennialism. The dark view found in Premillennialism began to make an impact during the French Revolution, which drenched Europe in fire and blood from the 1790s until 1815. The French Revolution likewise gave rise to Leftist contagions which eventually led to Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot. Premillennialism got a second, and much more significant boost during the US Civil War. Whites came away spiritually wounded from that conflict and began to see black clouds on the theological horizon. America’s sub-Saharan blacks were simultaneously freed from bondage and eventually gained a special place in the American Empire of Nothing under the illicit second constitution, the 1965 Civil Rights Act.
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Following the Civil War, white divinity students came to reject the Postmillennial statement that had been issued in 1810 by Reverend Theodore Parker which held that, in effect, “the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice.” The sub-Sharan black race activist, Martin Luther King Jr., would go on to embrace this sentiment. It depends on what side of the Civil War your ancestors were on – white or black.
The influence of Premillennial Dispensationalism rapidly increased in the early 1970s through the publication of a book by Hal Lindsey called The Late Great Planet Earth (1970). This book claims that the events of the time corresponded to the prophesies in Revelation. The passages describing falling stars and fire and brimstone certainly fed into the public’s then-rampant fears of nuclear warfare.
This new trend was not limited to lower-class people. President Reagan had himself read Lindsey’s book and occasionally referred to “ancient prophecies” in his public statements. His Secretary of the Interior, James Watt, was himself a Premillennialist, and Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger stated that he had read Revelation and believed that its time was close. Indeed, Hal Lindsey had more influence on the conservatives of the 1970s and ‘80s than Leo Strauss. Popular televangelists such as Jerry Falwell preached Premillennial Dispensationalism, for example — and Vicki Weaver was one of the viewers. She claimed to have had prophetic visions herself.
Most of the New Testament is good advice on how to be kind to people and get along in a group with lofty aims. But the Book of Revelation is a political work couched in the style of a fever dream. It describes an evil global government, conspiracies, and cataclysmic destruction. It was not so far-fetched at the time to believe that the Cold War fit Revelation’s prophetic template. Jennings writes:
The religious faith of millions inevitably impinges on the public sphere, but not all beliefs impinge equally. It is possible to maintain absolute faith in the resurrection, the cycle of reincarnation, or the proposition that North America rides atop a great tortoise, without those beliefs having much effect on civic or political life. You can embrace such beliefs while still rendering unto Caesar all those things that need rendering. But if a core tenet of your faith is that life on Earth is racing toward a violent conclusion and that most earthly authorities are a front for an evil conspiracy to rule the globe, your relationship to the state and your fellow citizens will surely be affected. (p. 56)
The Farm Crisis
While Randy and Vicki became increasingly radical, Iowa’s economy collapsed due to the Farm Crisis. Jennings writes:
Stands of small white crosses began cropping up at town lines and on courthouse lawns across Iowa. They offered a grim public tally of a rolling economic crisis: each cross represented the foreclosure of a family farm. Some crosses memorialized specific farmers. lowans had begun killing themselves at four times the national rate. (pp. 84-85)
The Farm Crisis was caused by a number of different factors, including enormous purchases of Soviet grain on credit, shifts in US government farm policy, rampant inflation, and the energy crisis. Randy and Vicki didn’t personally lose their jobs during this period, nor did the farm of Vicki’s family go under. Their surrounding community suffered badly, however, and seemed to validate the dark Premillennial worldview.
Randy and Vicki’s religious activism attracted some supporters locally, but there was a great deal of concern about “cults” across the country at the time, and the couple were subjected to vicious small-town gossip. Eventually Vicki decided to relocate the family based on her interpretations of ancient prophecy. After word got out that they were planning to move in 1983, they were profiled in the local paper. The article described the Weaver household as one free of “graven images” — i.e., there was no TV. Randy described himself to the reporter as a Christian survivalist who looked to build a cabin surrounded by a defensive “kill zone.”
The Farm Crisis also took place during a period of significant Right-wing violence across the US, driven in large part by economic desperation. Many whites were further frustrated with the government’s support for “civil rights.” There was also an ongoing tax protest movement. When the Weavers got to Idaho, they came into contact with locals who were anti-government in orientation and sympathetic to tax protests, guns, and Christian nationalism. There was also a Christian Identity church near their land. Jennings writes:
To be a conspiracy-minded fundamentalist amid the restraining influence of people who knew you pre-awakening is one thing. But drop that same person into a community of like-minded zealots and things inevitably accelerate. Vicki, by inclination, was always going to be the most ardent, best-informed person in any group, whether the subject was child-rearing, gardening, or biblical exegesis. Surrounded by people who spoke freely about prophetic signs and the coming One World Government, she grew several degrees more radical. At the same time, Randy’s brash talk about resisting federal tyranny got several decibels louder. In an era before the echo chamber effect of online community became obvious, the family’s move across the country allowed them to step through a sort of geographic Overton window. (p. 166)
All of this happened when federal law enforcement was particularly keen to suppress such groups. There was a watchful federal eye in Idaho’s Panhandle. The Weavers were bound to be noticed.
Entering “the System” in Idaho
Once the Weavers arrived in Idaho, they began to prepare to wait out the Tribulation and resist the Antichrist. They were not quiet about their views, however. Their neighbors were often subjected to Randy’s tirades and knew that he and his family went around armed. Randy even ran for county sheriff.
How one “enters the system” of law enforcement matters. Randy and Vicki entered the system as a threat in 1984, when Randy invited Terry Kinnison and his family to camp on their homestead. The Kinnisons paid $3,000 to do so, believing that they were paying to buy half the property. Randy thought otherwise, and their miscommunication ended up as a lawsuit. The Kinnisons ended up leaving for Alaska before the suit was adjudicated, which meant the Weavers won by default, but the Kinnisons nevertheless reported Randy and Vicki to federal law enforcement. Among other things, the Kinnisons claimed that Randy had threatened to shoot the President, and that Vicki had said that she would kill her own children rather than see them handed over to the government. This wasn’t the only time they came to the attention of law enforcement, either, since they had conflicts with other neighbors as well.
The federal authorities nevertheless saw Randy as a potential informant. Although he had odd views, he was involved in the community, was an honorably-discharged veteran, and was a family man. The incident which resulted in his weapons violation charge was in fact part of a scheme to recruit him as an informant. The authorities agreed to drop the criminal charges against Randy if he worked for them. Randy refused — and their conflict was on. His statement about a “kill zone” around the cabin, walking around armed, and talking about his family’s visions of the End Times seemed very dangerous, indeed. A tragedy was bound to happen.
Iraq’s invasion of Kuwait in the summer of 1990 and the brief Persian Gulf War that followed in early 1991 led to a wave of interest in prophecy across America. The Late Great Planet Earth became a bestseller again, although there was another book published at the time entitled Armageddon: Appointment with Destiny which tied the crisis in Kuwait to biblical prophecy. John F. Walvoord, a prominent Dispensationalist, likewise published Armageddon, Oil, and the Middle East Crisis, which warned that the conflict would bring about the events described in Revelation. Another such book was William T. Still’s New World: The Ancient Plan of Secret Societies, which described how different groups such as the Masons and the Council of Foreign Relations were plotting against ordinary Americans. When President George H. W. Bush alluded to a “New World Order” in a speech to Congress in September 1990, referring to the geopolitical situation that was emerging after the end of the Cold War, much of the American public that had been primed to expect the imminent rise of the Antichrist saw this term as proof of their beliefs — and panicked.
Theology Matters
Had the media not reported on the Weaver family resisting law enforcement in response to a minor weapons violation, responding federal agents would not have felt under pressure and would simply have waited Randy out and arrested him when the opportunity arose. As things turned out, the affair at Ruby Ridge became a canvas upon which people of various perspectives paint their respective visions: either government oppression or the inherent danger of “extremists” in the hinterlands.
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Jennings shows that the Weavers, and Vicki in particular, were the primary drivers of events. It was Vicki who was immersed in biblical prophecy and who claimed to have visions. She had also pushed the family to move to Idaho, and encouraged Randy not to go to court for the weapons violation charge. Everything that happened was a result of theology.
The Weavers’ Christian Identity beliefs played no role in the standoff, however. It was also not because of Dispensationalism. The Weavers were not supporters of Zionism. Neither did Fundamentalism cause Vicki to push for confrontation. What led to the situation was their idea that they were actors in a Premillennialist drama — and this turned what was merely a minor crime into a major shootout with national implications.
Randy passed away in 2022. Sara Weaver, his oldest daughter, commented that her parents had been ahead of their time. She was referring to the polarized and conspiracy-driven culture we have in the 2020s. They may have been insightful in other ways, however. Sometimes spiritual people such as Vicki Weaver do in fact detect great yet uncomfortable truths and proclaim them like a biblical prophet. Vicki had observed that “Saxon Israel” — i.e., America – was being threatened by non-white immigration and “civil rights” doctrine. She also recognized that the US was entangled in a web of alliances — a form of one-world government. The Persian Gulf War had indeed seen a sort of one-world army being led by a globally powerful figure attacking a small nation – which, to be frank, hadn’t attacked the United States. That figure, George H. W. Bush, had an economic vision of global trade and outsourcing that wrecked what remained of America’s manufacturing industry and turned China into a dangerous rival.
On a personal note, it was just after the Persian Gulf War that I first heard older men –churchgoing veterans — start to talk about the US withdrawing from NATO, as well places like South Korea. Perhaps the mission of Randy and Vicki was indeed divinely inspired. Regardless of whether that was the case, however, theological ideas can lead people to carry out actions the results of which are often unpredictable.
Note
[1] There is an interpretation of Revelation called Preterism which holds that the events described in the book were a spiritual recounting of the Roman-Jewish War of 66-70. There is also an interesting interpretation of the Woman of the Apocalypse, who is described in Revelation 12:1 (NIV): “A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head.”
Scholars have noticed that while this verse is said to have been the product of a fever dream, it is also oddly specific. It could refer to the alignment of the sun, moon, and stars on the day and hour of Jesus’ birth. In 1982, Victor Paul Wierwille published a book called Jesus Christ Our Promised Seed in which he argued that the Woman of the Apocalypse was the constellation Virgo, which was “clothed in the sun” and had the moon at her feet on September 11 in the year 3 BC, between 6:15 and 7:45 PM. Ernest L. Martin came to the same conclusion in 1996. An evening birth fits in with Luke’s account of the first people who were informed of Christ’s arrival as being “shepherds watching their flocks by night.” September 11, 3 BC also fell on Tishri 1, a holiday in the Jewish calendar in which shofars would have been blown in Jerusalem. That the most significant terrorist attack in history happened on September 11, 2001 and was carried out by actors motivated by their own malign vision of the divine has not yet been fully explored.
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Shots were fired by an FBI sniper — of Asian origin — on the first day of the siege
Lon Horuchi shot Vicki Weaver. He was also at Waco six months later.
The Jewish playwright, David Mamet, made a joke about this in his movie, ‘The Spanish Prisoner’ (1997), by having the US Marshall sharpshooter, who brings down the bad White guy at the climax, played by a Japanese woman with a southern accent.
This was very interesting article. A few years ago I read Jess Walter’s book about the Weavers and found it to be excellent, and it sounds like Jennings did a nice job as well.
I admire Randy and Vicki Weaver. They had some very wise and insightful beliefs and some that strike me as silly and strange, but regardless, they truly acted on their convictions. No one can say the Weavers were insincere or hypocritical.
Was Weaver a part of the Sovereign Citizens Movement?
On the note regarding 911, I think we are in a state of emergency in that a new world order is definitely emerging. Judging from recent polling which reports that a majority of Americans believe we are in the end times, the sirens and alarm bells are ringing non-stop. Maybe it’s the fear of AI or just a sense of something coming to an end. Most cultures have an awareness of periods in time coming to an end only to have something new emerging from the ashes.
Thanks for the links.
Great article! I have a vision; the Christians are going to get all White people killed, best stay away from those wannabe jews. 🙃
Hopefully the anti-government tax protest movement will take off this time. People are saying they won’t pay their taxes to protest this current war with Iran.
No offense, but that’s a fool’s errand. The Constitutionality of Taxes are the least sustainable and legally-justifiable basis for armed protest.
The system can mobilize maximum force and with the strongest kustifiable precedent. And although the enemy-owned mass-media is compelled to cover it instead of blacking out the underlying issues, they are able to do so in the least favorable way possible because you have surrendered the initiative.
I remember back in 1983 when WWII veteran and tax protestor Gordon Kahl and the local sheriff killed each other in Arkansas and the government troops dumped diesel fuel down the chimney of a friend’s earth-sheltered house (called a “bunker”) to burn him out. Some of Sheriff Matthews’ fatal injuries were caused by friendly fire.
Such protest movements rarely go well and one would be advised not to get convicted of dumb felonies or to miss probation hearings, or even to strap on their gun when walking down the driveway to the mailbox to pick up their mail.
U.S. Navy WWII veteran Commander George Lincoln Rockwell, who founded the American Nazi Party and renamed it the National Socialist White People’s Party shortly before his assassination, thoroughly analyzed this problem in his unfinished (1966-67) booklet Legal, Psychological, and Political Warfare.
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I’ll add that other than that, most of us get our taxes deducted from our paychecks. The result (other than future hassles) for most of us for not filing 1040 forms would be missing out on a modest refund every year. To dodge taxes, one would have to get paid under the table like illegal aliens, or own a small business and do some shady accounting, and that just isn’t going to be a viable strategy for the masses. I wouldn’t recommend all that.
I would be surprised if this tax protest goes through at the level they are advocating. If I had to guess, I would predict that it turns out to be a metaphorical tantrum against Trump.
Christians with a Jesus Complex and Zionist Christians are huge burdens for the Pro-White efforts to defeat White genocide in First World countries by third world invaders.
The gun charge entrapment was from Weaver selling a sawed-off shotgun that was 1/4″ shorter than the regulatory minimum. That’s an awfully tiny pretext to kill a bunch of people, but hey, our tax dollars at work! Moreover, I’d bet a paycheck that it was within spec when he sold the shotgun to a glowie, and shortened after purchase.
Damnnit. The post below is an earlier one to Gam and NOT my long reply to Beau Albrecht, which was a done deal and is now no longer saved.
I made the mistake of editing a minor typo in the same comment thread, which doesn’t work on the new Counter-Currents software apparently. After editing, the old comment is somehow replaced with a newer and not relevant one.
Note, being able to comment is the main reason that I support Counter-Currents, which I just renewed for another year plus a monthy stipend. The people in charge of this site need to get this technical problem fixed!
You also can’t edit hyperlinks once you have posted. That did not used to be the case.
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No offense, but that’s a fool’s errand. The Constitutionality of Taxes are the least sustainable and legally-justifiable basis for armed protest.
The system can mobilize maximum force and with the strongest justifiable precedent. And although the enemy-owned mass-media is compelled to cover it instead of blacking out the underlying issues, they are able to do so in the least favorable way possible because you have surrendered the initiative.
I remember back in 1983 when WWII veteran and tax protestor Gordon Kahl and the local sheriff killed each other in Arkansas and the government troops dumped diesel fuel down the chimney of a friend’s earth-sheltered house (called a “bunker”) to burn him out. Some of Sheriff Matthews’ fatal injuries were caused by friendly fire.
Such protest movements rarely go well and one would be advised not to get convicted of dumb felonies or to miss probation hearings, or even to strap on their gun when walking down the driveway to the mailbox to pick up their mail.
U.S. Navy WWII veteran Commander George Lincoln Rockwell, who founded the American Nazi Party and renamed it the National Socialist White People’s Party shortly before his assassination, thoroughly analyzed this problem in his unfinished (1966-67) booklet Legal, Psychological, and Political Warfare.
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I corresponded briefly with Randy when he was in prison, but not much — mostly offering condolences for the loss of his murdered wife and son.
They had some strange Biblical beliefs, but I don’t know the extent he and Vicki took the Christian Identity nonsense. He had visited Richard Butler’s Aryan Nations compound because it was nearby. Big mistake, since that was how the feds targeted him.
I remember in an interview Randy granted after he was released. His ordeal was pretty much behind him, and he had been awarded a large civil judgment. He was asked, “What do you think of religion now?” or something similar. His answer was “It’s all shit!”
I also talked to Randy’s excellent defense attorney Gerry Spence (who died last year).
Spence won acquittal for Weaver in the 1992 case after Weaver was charged for murder…
The Ruby Ridge case was controversial because of the Weaver family’s affiliation with white nationalist circles and because of the use of force deployed by the FBI.
Spence argued to the jury that the FBI was trying to punish Weaver for refusing to inform on white nationalist groups and got him acquitted on all but the lesser charges…
I used to be friends with the late Rev. Ralph P. Forbes of Arkansas who had been the chaplain for Commander George Lincoln Rockwell, founder of the American Nazi Party.
Rev. Forbes was an Identity Christian who had all the tape recordings of Rockwell’s speeches and 1960s talks on college campuses and with the media, and I have listened to them all.
Now it practically takes an Act of Congress for somebody like Jared Taylor to speak on campus, and there is a real threat of assassination now that Charlie Kirk was killed in Utah, who was called a “White Nationalist” by nearly all the Marxist faculty and administrators when he visited Arizona State a few years before.
Rockwell coined the term “White Power” in-your-face to the Negro activists and had a memorable debate with Stokely Carmichael and the London-born Los Angeles talk radio host named Michael Robin Jackson, who claimed to be Jewish in his debate with Rockwell, and has a Hollywood Walk of Fame star that is frequently mistaken for one of the two belonging to the weirdo Negro pop singer of the same name.
Anyway, I had long correspondences with Rev. Forbes (whose longhand was atrocious) or his wife Karen, while I was in college and in the Army, but I was never interested in Identity Christianity so eventually lost touch.
Rev. Forbes died in 2018 and was frequently a candidate for political office. The Louisiana ex-Klansman David Duke had managed to get elected to a local office in the 1980s, so such was deemed possible in the South at the time.
Anyway, I asked Mr. Forbes about Pastor Richard Butler who was a former aerospace engineer and in the Idaho news a lot at that time, and he vouched for Mr. Butler, and any of the others from the Aryan Nations group in Idaho that he had met. They were not involved in The Order nonsense that involved the assassination of the criminally-obnoxious Jewish Denver talk radio host Alan Berg in 1984.
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Scott: April 19, 2026 I used to be friends with the late Rev. Ralph P. Forbes of Arkansas … an Identity Christian but I was never interested in Identity Christianity so eventually lost touch…
I met Forbes back in the 1980s. I’d heard some unflattering stories about him from his fellow Rockwell associates that I will not repeat. It was smart of you to lose touch with the nutcase who believed we are the true Israelites.
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… [H]e vouched for Mr. Butler, and any of the others from the Aryan Nations group in Idaho that he had met. They were not involved in The Order nonsense that involved the assassination of the criminally-obnoxious Jewish Denver talk radio host Alan Berg in 1984…
“Order nonsense”? Scott, you have your experiences, I have mine. I met Pastor Butler a couple of times in the 1980, along with the great Bob Miles, when they would visit NC and our White Patriot Party folks. Miles was not a “popular” figure (see: Death of a klansman, 25 years later: How the sick legacy of Bob Miles continues to haunt Howell – The Livingston Post.com). Neither he nor Butler’s star will be found on Hollywood’s sidewalk of fame, nor will members of the Order.
Order member Richard Scutari called this morning. We were born a week apart in 1947 and have been friends for nearly 45 years.
Let’s revisit our exchange here on C-C last year under Ondrej Mann’s review of the Hollywood bilge, The Order movie: The Order.
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Scott: June 19, 2025… About what I expected: “Keystone Cops meet White Trash.” These yo-yos set back White Power immeasurably… In the ending credits, The Order movie actually claims that The Turner Diaries influenced J6. What a load of horseshït! Q Tards are not reading William Pierce novels… And I could have done entirely without the bossy Jewlatta Fed who is the real life sister of Jussie Smollett, the [queer] Jewlatto who faked the Hate Crime in Chicago in 2019 and got his felony charges dropped by Cook County State’s Negress Kim Foxx.
But, but, Jussie’s demi-Jew sis is a favorite with Hollywood Jews and her fictional role as good guy FBI Special Agent called for a Negress to go up against the evil Whites.
The entire movie is bullshit, Scott, but it’s good that you caught that one big lie about J6.
You write like most people, but may be interested in this at nationalvanguarg.org: “William Pierce on Robert Mathews”. He had this to say in 1993:
When most people think about the consequences of Bob’s decision, they think only about the negative things. About the facts that he was killed, and that a dozen good people were sent to prison. Some of our less radical brethren bemoan the fact that Bob, by using violence against the enemy, provoked repressive measures which made their own work more difficult. Bob succeeded in killing only one Jew, they add. And that Jew — an especially abrasive and obnoxious radio talk show host named Alan Berg who was machine-gunned in Denver in 1984 — would better have been left alive so that he could continue stirring up anti Jewish feeling among his listeners. Furthermore the violence gave the patriotic movement a black eye, they complain. And it scared away many potential supporters, who want nothing to do with violence or illegality.
There is, of course, some truth in these complaints. Many timid people were scared away from the patriotic movement by Bob’s activity and the enormous publicity it generated in the controlled media. Perhaps these people’s financial support would have been helpful. Perhaps it would have been better not to put the enemy on guard by attacking prematurely.
There is, however, a value in what Bob did which goes far beyond such petty consequences. In every revolution, in every great movement for human renewal, symbols are every bit as important as guns and money and manpower. Bob gave us a very important symbol. In the day-to-day work of writing and publishing and advertising and recruiting and organizing, we tend to forget the reality of our situation. We tend to believe that we are in some sort of political or ideological contest where you deal with your opponents the way the democrats and republicans deal with each other. We go about our work in a civilized way and lead more or less normal lives. At the extreme, we occasionally swap insults in public with our enemies. They call us “haters” and we call them un-American or anti-White or sick.
The fact is, however, that we are engaged in a fight for racial survival. It is a fight in which either our race or the Jews will be exterminated utterly. And it is a fight which we are losing. We’ve been losing it for the past 50 years. In every daily newspaper, in every radio or television news broadcast, we’re hit in the face with the fact that we are losing. Our noses are rubbed in it every day…
Richard Scutari, a surviving Order member, who is neither White trash nor a yo-yo, told me after he watched the movie online that many of the lies he’d observed in the film, mixed in with enough truth and half-truths were calculated to have American moviegoers to like the film or like the acting, as you say you did.
Richard is an honorable man who spent 37 years in federal cages, much of that time in solitary, because he repeatedly refused to accept a plea offer of a reduced sentenced if he would testify against his brothers. Think about that before calling him names.
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Ondrej Mann: June 18, 2025 … What happened to George Lincoln Rockwell’s children? Maybe Will Williams knows the answer to this question?
Nope. Can’t help, but I expect Scott can. He is a very accomplished researcher.
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Read your response to me under Ondrej’s C-C review.
I thought Forbes provided good commentary when he wrote for the American Free Press. I have a fun original comic from his run for California governor. It depicts the “Battyman” caped crusader who is a conservative but is ineffective at fighting crime in California. Conservatives won’t ever get the job done.
May Forbes Rest in Power.
The whole affair was PR disaster for the FBI. His attorney was good at pointing out that the Weaver’s had a right to their beliefs, were not a danger to anyone, and wanted to be left the hell alone. That should be common sense, but we haven’t lived in normal times for a while. You get the impression that the FBI had a mindset that since the Weavers were white separatists, it would be ok to apprehend Randy and be careless about it without any repercussions. On another level, white-middle class Americans have been doing something similar with “White Flight”. They are retreating to the suburbs to escape the crime and cultural rot.
On the basis that these people are the likely descendants of pagan prophets, my confidence in Chaos Magic grows considerably.
Update on the Asian FBI sniper who murdered Vicki Weaver while standing on her porch, unarmed, with her infant in her arms:
Lon Horiuchi: What Happened to The Ruby Ridge Sniper?
Sounak Sengupta
November 15, 2023
‘FBI TRUE: Ruby Ridge: The Real Story’ on CBS News sets to unravel the aftermath of the 11-day siege of the Weaver family cabin in rural Boundary County, Idaho, in late August 1992. The incident that garnered national headlines ended with the tragic demise of three lives, including two members of the Weaver family and a Deputy United States Marshal. At the forefront of the ensuing legal proceedings was the controversial former FBI sniper Lon Horiuchi.
Who Is Lon Horiuchi?
Lon Tomohisa Horiuchi was born to a US Army veteran in Hawaii on June 9, 1954. He graduated from the United States Military Academy at West Point in 1976 before enlisting in the army and serving as an infantry officer. He joined the FBI in 1984, slowly rose through the ranks, and was a sniper with the FBI Hostage Rescue Team by August 1992. He was one of the snipers deployed during the Ruby Ridge standoff, working at sniper position Sierra 4, when one Deputy United States Marshal was killed in the early hours of August 21, 1992.
Six Deputy United States Marshals, decked in night vision equipment and dressed in camouflage gear, were tasked with the responsibility of bringing Randall “Randy” Claude Weaver from his isolated cabin near Ruby Ridge, Idaho, on August 21. Randy had been facing felony weapons charges since December 1990 but had refused to appear for his trial despite repeated summons. Around 10:20 am, the Marshals encountered a party consisting of Randy’s friend, Kevin Harris, Randy, his 14-year-old son, Samuel, and their dog, Striker.
While the accounts of the following set of events vary, court records stated that a firefight erupted during which the marshals killed Striker and Samuel. The 14-year-old was shot twice, once in the arm and back. Kevin returned fire and killed Deputy Marshal William Degan as he and Randy retreated to their cabin. The FBI Hostage Rescue Team deployed 11 snipers, including Lon, at the scene on August 22. They were briefed, with sources stating the briefing authorized them to shoot any armed adult without harming the Weaver kids.
At that point, the Weaver cabin consisted of Randy, Kevin, Randy’s wife, Victoria “Vicki” Jordison, and their three surviving children — Sara, then 16; Rachel, then 10; and Elisheba, an infant. The Rules of Engagement were revised to authorize firing only at any armed adult male attempting to leave the cabin. Court documents mentioned that the federal agents were forbidden from firing into the cottage due to the presence of the minors. On August 22 afternoon, Lon and his team of snipers started trekking the hills surrounding the Weaver cabin.
The cabin came into the snipers’ view at 5:30 pm, and the team broke into factions of two and three along a ridge overlooking the house. Armed with a .308-caliber Remington rifle equipped with a powerful scope, Lon took a position about 200 yards from the cabin. Around 6:00 pm, Kevin, Randy, and Sara headed towards the birthing shed where Samuel’s body was located. The FBI marksman, unaware of their identities, observed at least one person carrying a “long gun” and reportedly aimed his powerful scope.
Hearing the FBI helicopter’s engines, Lon thought an armed individual (later identified as Randy) might shoot at it. The sniper fired, injuring Randy and alerting the Weavers and Kevin to snipers. The trio took cover behind a birthing shed before rushing toward the cabin. As Kevin disappeared behind the door, Lon fired again, allegedly unintentionally hitting 43-year-old Vicki, who was behind the door [unarmed] with her infant daughter in her arms. The bullet struck her in the jaw — killing her instantly — before critically wounding Kevin.
Lon later claimed he had no visibility of Vicki behind the door. He asserted that he perceived Randy and Kevin, the latter carrying a rifle, as a potential threat to the FBI helicopter hovering above. After an internal probe of the incident, the Department of Justice decided against prosecuting Lon. They issued a statement noting a case of “willfulness, or knowing, intentional use of unreasonable force cannot be made out against FBI Agent Lon Horiuchi.” However, similar allegations arose against the sniper during the Waco siege in April 1993.
In September 1993, one of Lon’s colleagues claimed to have heard Lon firing from sniper position number one on April 19, 1993. The Waco incident resulted in the tragic loss of 80 members of the Branch Davidian religious sect when the FBI and other law enforcement agencies intervened to conclude the 51-day siege. After Randy and Kevin’s 1993 trial resulted in their acquittals, the Department of Justice (DOJ) created a “Ruby Ridge Task Force” to investigate allegations made during both proceedings against the federal agency.
Where Is Lon Horiuchi Now?
The Task Force submitted its 542-page report to the DOJ Office of Professional Responsibility on June 10, 1994. The report determined that the first shot fired on August 22 met the standard of “objective reasonableness” needed for the legal use of deadly force, but the second shot failed to meet that standard. The erstwhile Boundary County charged Lon with involuntary manslaughter in state court for Vicki’s killing in 1997. A federal court dismissed the case in May 1998, citing the Constitution’s supremacy clause granting immunity to federal officers.
The Ninth Circuit later overturned this decision, allowing Lon to stand trial. However, the erstwhile prosecutors dropped the charges in 2000 due to challenges in proving the case and the passage of time….
They ran out the clock. Read more, here: Lon Horiuchi: Where is The Ruby Ridge Sniper Today?
This is unfortunate, but it doesn’t surprise me.
Our Counter Currents (Also Amren, OD) writers and readers under the age of 50 should be thankful they didn’t have to go through the 1980s with all the confused, mixed up, obsessed with stupid trivial *#$&#@ of the Reagan Bush Presidencies, Jerry Falwell Religious Right the Pat Robertson 700 Club and the still with us race denying Constitutionalist, Libertarian economic Conservatives.
What a mess.
Our Hu White people wasted the 1980s obsessing about “The RUSSIANS” and actually armed those TP avoiding, soap avoiding mountain Muslim goat f***ers in Afghanistan to fight and kill our European White kinsmen….
The Russians.
A then getting pretty senile 2nd term Conservative Cowboy savior President Reagan was getting in the face of then Russian/Soviet leader Michael Gorbachev demanding that
“Mr Gorbechov Tear Down That (Berlin) Wall”!
I was screaming at the TV :
“No you senile stupid old idiot, ask Mr. Gorbachev politely to help us build the wall on our Southern border
BUILD THE WALL!
If anyone wants to puke, lose their lunch – try watching some of the ridiculous 1980s Patriotard Right Wing “Hate The Russians” movies such as
“Red Dawn” – Russians , Soviets invade Eastern Montana…and Right Wing tackle football playing high school White students in Montana organize Afghan guerrilla warfare units to fight the Russians, I forgot if the Hollywood Je*s included some sexy Russian tennis players such as Anna Kournikova .WTF?
Then there was that other worst ever Patriotard “FIGHT THE RUSSIANS” Je* movie
Rambo III (maybe it was II or IV, I lost track) where Viet Nam Veteran Amurikun patriotard hero Johnny Rambo goes off to yes….
Afghanistan to join the anti Russian, Anti Soviet Freedom fighters that morphed in to the Taliban – here’s the Patriotard trailer (Just don’t watch this on a full stomach!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xt972U5z77w
Does anyone over 60 here remember the Stupid *#()@$ Christ insanity, NRA gun nut James Watt, President Reagan’s Secretary of the Interior (Or was it Secretary of the Posterior) ?
When Ronald Reagan was elected in 1980 supposedly as the White Conservative Patriot savior in a landslide over Jimmy Carter (What kind of proud White country has a leader named “Jimmy”?). At President Reagan’s inauguration, the California beloved pop music, rock music band The Beach Boys performed on the Washington Mall.
This retarded patriotard US Secretary of the Interior heard that some old Conservatives there thought they smelled some MJ and he announced that The Beach Boys or any other musical group playing degenerate Rock and Roll music would be now banned from all American National Parks and he would substitute patriotic performers such as Los Vegas singer Wayne Newton!
Ohhhh my F*#&$@# God!
Fortunately Nancy Reagan set him straight, put a boot in Watt’s mouth and announced that she and President Ronald Reagan actually liked many of The Beach Boys’ songs like “Help Me Rhonda” and “Wouldn’t it be Nice”….
Then later the still around poll up their asses Protestant Christian, Evangelical Christian , Christian Zionists led by old Pat Robertson became obsessed that Mitt Romney a Mormon LDS Christian would become the GOP Presidential nominee and these pole up their arses Pat Robertson 700 Club pushed GOP former Baptist Christian pastor Arkansas Governor to run against Romney as the
Real Christian GOP Presidential Candidate.
I trust everyone knows what Mike the Huckster Huckabee is doing now as an open fag homo prostitute US Ambassador to Israel . The result of the “Only we are the real Christians” is that Barack Obama was elected President (again) and the semi official real Christian denomination was/is Rev. Jeremiah Wright/Al Sharpton’s Black Liberation Theology .
Thanks Pat Robertson!
OK, sorry for the long rant.
My recommendation with American Christian politics is to just not take it too seriously , yes most of our people come from some form of Christian heritage. Being “Christian” where I’ve spent 2/3 of my life just means
I’m sort of moral and I”m not Jewish, now I’m not Muslim.
This has worked for me, I don’t bother with Bible prophecies about the end times or think those worst Jew Centric OT Bible fairy tale stories from the Books of Ester or Exodus (Parting of the Red Sea – that’s as about as honest history as the 6 million gassed Jews hoax).
Sorry for the rant.
JR
I am burning a candle at this moment, in the future I shall also burn a candle for the great Robert Jay Mathews. 🙃
And one for The Chief. Happy 137th!
(I’m going to avoid replying in the large nested thread because I don’t want all my older comments on this thread to get bowdlerized in the process or lost in the ether somehow. It is not that I’m a novice with message forums either. It is a relatively-recent glitch with the software on this board.)
Scott: April 19, 2026 ─
“I used to be friends with the late Rev. Ralph P. Forbes of Arkansas … an Identity Christian but I was never interested in Identity Christianity so eventually lost touch… “
Will Williams: April 19, 2026 at 7:41 pm ─
“I met Forbes back in the 1980s. I’d heard some unflattering stories about him from his fellow Rockwell associates that I will not repeat. It was smart of you to lose touch with the nutcase who believed we are the true Israelites.” [Emphasis added.]
Then why are you bringing it up?
I don’t see the Identity Christians as being any more nutty than the rest of the tin-foil hat wearers in our movement, and the Jesus Magick followers in general.
“British Israelism” has a long history behind it, the founding of the Anglosphere, and also in the Protestant roots of the Ku Klux Klan. I’m no fan, any more than I am a fan of Popery or Mohammadism.
People like Ralph Forbes, Richard Butler, Wesley Swift, and so on, were attempting to reconcile the legacy of Western Culture with the “pseudomorphism,” as Spengler would have called it, of the Asiatic-Jewish cult of the Nazarene.
Commander Rockwell was an Agnostic, but he admired people like Swift and Forbes.
Rockwell believed that Christianity was wrong but that White people had earned the right to their “freedom of conscience” and for as long as they wanted to be Christians.
And Captain Forbes, Rockwell’s chaplain, who once headed the Los Angeles division of the American Nazi Party, was a loyal follower and dutiful missionary and teacher for Rockwell and for a certain avuncular German Feldherr for long after their passing.
Then you accuse me of namecalling when I have no admiration whatsoever for the Order and a lot of other tin foil hat-wearing yahoos.
Here is the direct URL to the Counter-Curents commentary thread where the 2024 Hollywood film, The Order was discussed:
https://counter-currents.com/2025/06/the-order/#comments
I stand by what I said in that the Order and the Skinhead movement aesthetics in general “set back White Nationalism” immeasurably.
I may have been too critical of Dr. Pierce, but White Nationalism always has to be vigilant against having Jews take over its leadership and its financing ─ and secondly, it has to purge its own trolls and criminals, including the punks and the petty players.
Every lost sheep is not worth saving, and that is what ultimately got Rockwell killed.
Stealing your neighbor’s aluminum irrigation pipe to sell for scrap metal, and because you are short of honest work at the Idaho retreat, is not “fighting ZOG,” however you slice the cake, and whether or not you think that you found it in the Gospels.
I am not saying that Randy Weaver really did do that ─ steal his neighbor’s aluminum irrigation pipe ─ but he was certainly accused of it.
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Scott: April 27, 2026 I’m going to avoid replying in the large nested thread because I don’t want all my older comments on this thread to get bowdlerized in the process or lost in the ether somehow…
Scott: April 19, 2026 ─ “I used to be friends with the late Rev. Ralph P. Forbes of Arkansas … an Identity Christian but I was never interested in Identity Christianity so eventually lost touch… “
Will Williams: April 19, 2026 ─ “I met Forbes back in the 1980s. I’d heard some unflattering stories about him from his fellow Rockwell associates that I will not repeat. It was smart of you to lose touch with the nutcase who believed we are the true Israelites.” [Emphasis added.]
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Scott: Then why are you bringing it up?
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Did I bring up your old friend Pastor Forbes’ name or did you? I did not repeat what I’d heard about him, but I took what I’d been told as true, considering the source that knew him — something that Forbes would not have told his young friend.
Scott: I may have been too critical of Dr. Pierce, but White Nationalism always has to be vigilant against having Jews take over its leadership and its financing ─ and secondly, it has to purge its own trolls and criminals, including the punks and the petty players…
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I’ll defend Pierce from his critics. You mention in the same sentence that you mention him, something about WNs being vigilant against “Jews taking over leadership and financing.” What’s with that?
You insinuate that honorable members of The Order were losers and criminals, yet only one of them, Gary Yarbrough, had a previous record of criminality.
Counter-Currents has its share of trolls, punks and petty players, Scott. Some get purged, but many remain. What to do? What to do? It’s the nature of anonymous keyboard warriors, pretending that they know what they write about Our Cause.
Scott: I am not saying that Randy Weaver really did do that ─ steal his neighbor’s aluminum irrigation pipe ─ but he was certainly accused of it.
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Then why do you bring it up?
I don’t know who was truly involved in the 1984 assassination of the “criminally” obnoxious Denver talk radio host, Alan Berg ─ but it was dumb and it did not help the White Nationalist cause.
I remember listening to some of the Jew Alan Berg’s radio broadcasts ─ and yes, the guy was insanely infuriating, for sure.
Let’s just say that I’m not an admirer of Bob Matthews, who went out in a blaze of glory. The proverbial Cohen Act has not come to pass yet, which was the last line in the sand in Dr. Pierce’s intriguing novel, the Turner Diaries.
But in any case, I think a thorough understanding of Rockwell’s Legal, Psychological, and Political Warfare is more relevant to our cause. Rockwell clearly understood how the police operate, all police everywhere, the mass-media, and other regime psychology.
For one thing, in the Berg assassination, our White heroes used an exotic and easily-traced NFA regulated firearm, a fully-automatic MAC-10.
If they weren’t SPLC agents provacateur, they might as well have been.
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Scott: April 29, 2026 … I think a thorough understanding of Rockwell’s Legal, Psychological, and Political Warfare is more relevant to our cause. Rockwell clearly understood how the police operate, all police everywhere, the mass-media, and other regime psychology.
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Yes, GLR wrote that in 1965. It’s good, but what’s better, to really understand the man, is this that I’m considering publishing in book form, including his LPPW: “Lincoln Rockwell: A National Socialist Life” at nationalvanguard.org
It was written by Dr. Pierce in Rockwell’s NSWPP ideological journal, National Socialist World #5, the winter 1967 issue. Pierce was its Editor.
…With this first thing in mind, [GLR] made the decision in 1966 to inaugurate a general activity. As mentioned before, the first two phases of Party activity overlapped to a large extent, and the transition between the two was marked primarily by a shift of emphasis. Phase one was the “Nazi” era of the Movement. Phase two is the beginning of the National Socialist era. In line with this re-emphasis, the American Nazi Party officially became the National Socialist White People’s Party on January 1, 1967, and that date can reasonably be considered to mark the transition. Six months earlier, the appearance of National Socialist World was a major step in this direction. And six months after that date — in June, 1967 — a historic re-organizational conference of the Party leadership was held in Arlington. There Rockwell set the Movement on its new course, explaining the need for a total professionalization of every activity, from fund raising to propaganda writing, in order to meet the severe demands to be expected during the long period of growth and struggle ahead.
He was now forty-nine years old. For the past eight years he had been working an average sixteen hours a day, seven days a week. The strain on his physical and spiritual resources had been severe. Usually he was obliged to concentrate on the several tasks simultaneously. There was always a demonstration to be planned, a speech to be prepared, propaganda to be written, a court case to be fought, money to be raised, and everything to be done under nearly impossible working conditions, with incessant interruptions. Only the immense vitality of his rugged, six-foot-four-inch frame and a deep reserve of spiritual strength had sustained him in the past.
The course that lay ahead would certainly be no easier; on the contrary, in addition to the old tasks connected with agitation and publicity, there would be many new problems to be faced as the Movement continued into its new phase of activity.
Other men — strong men — might have yielded to the temptation to remain with a prescription to which they had become accustomed and not venture from a beaten path into strange and difficult territory. The slightest trace of subjectivity would allow them to ring forth a hundred reasons for not changing a modus operandi which they had found successful in the past. And yet it was characteristic of Rockwell that he did not hesitate for an instant. When he saw that the time had come for the Movement to change its tactics and accept a different set of challenges, he set himself to the new task with the same determination that he had shown throughout the first phase.
Now it was necessary to build up a whole new public image for the Party, or, rather, gradually to transform the grossly distorted image he had induced the enemy to build for him to one closer to the truth. It was a demanding task, and he spent the summer of 1967 in laying plans for the future and in finishing his new book, White Power…
ON THE 25th OF AUGUST, 1967, a Friday, at two minutes before noon, near his Arlington headquarters, an assassin’s bullet struck him down….
Read the rest of this 15,000-plus-word biography by Dr. Pierce at the link.
Scott: April 29, 2026 …Let’s just say that I’m not an admirer of Bob Matthews, who went out in a blaze of glory….
If they [Order members] weren’t SPLC agents provacateur, they might as well have been..
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Let’s just say you talk drivel with your pansy SPLC association.
You are not anywhere near the same cause Bob Mathews was in, Scott. You cannot even spell his name.
You can speak of Bob’s going out in a blaze of glory; that’s something you’ll never do.
Mathews was incinerated on December 8, 1984 when the FBI fired three M-79 Starburst flares into his hideout on Whidbey Island in Washington’s Puget Sound, which ‘inadvertently’ started the fire… this letter was written on the day he died:
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We all knew it would be like this, that it would be our own brothers who would first try to destroy our efforts to save our race and our terminally ill nation.
Why are so many White men so eager to destroy their own kind for the benefit of the Jews and the mongrels?
I see three FBI agents hiding behind some trees to the north of the house. I could have easily killed them; I had their faces in my sights.
They look like good racial stock yet all their talents are given to a government which is openly trying to mongrelize the very race these agents are a part of.
Why can’t they see?
White men killing White men, Saxon killing Dane;
When will it end, the Aryan’s bane?
I knew last night that today would be my last day in this life. When I went to bed I saw all my loved ones so clearly, as if they were there with me.
All my memories flashed through my mind. I knew then that my tour of duty was up.
I have been a good soldier, a fearless warrior. I will die with honor and join my brothers in Valhalla.
For blood, soil, and honor. For faith and for race. For the future of my children. For the green graves of my sires.
Robert Jay Mathews.
Mathews (sp) and the Order.
And they set the cause of white Nationalism back decades. That is what happens when the Yahoos are left in charge.
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Scott: May 5, 2026 Mathews (sp) and the Order… they set the cause of white [sic] Nationalism back decades. That is what happens when the Yahoos are left in charge.
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I don’t know what you were doing during the 1980s. I remember it as a decade of complacency — the Reagan years, when Whitey felt the Jew-led counterculture movement of anti-war and destructive “social movements” were finally going to be behind us, Not!
I don’t know what Yahoos you think were in charge back then, but they weren’t Mathews and Co. If anything, they served to awaken so-called White nationalists from their state of slumber. I began my own awakening as a racial nationalist political soldier in ’84, joining the White Patriot Party the following year. Unbeknownst to me at the time, Mathews & Co. had already given the WPP on the East Coast a quarter million dollars from their Brinks truck robbery. They had given Tom Metzger and his WAR (White Aryan Resistance) an equal amount on the West Coast. I met Metzger in ’86.
You are entitled to your view of the Order, Scott, but it more matches the view shaped by MSM, the anti-White Jew view.
Dr. Pierce was Bob’s mentor. Here’s his take on Bob in 1985, shortly after he was murdered by JOG: “What It Will Take” at nationalvanguard.org – The final acts of Robert Mathews and their portent for the White resistance, by Dr. William L. Pierce
THE LONGEST-RUNNING national news story of recent months certainly must be the one about the Aryan Resistance Movement, also named in various news accounts as the White American Bastion, the Silent Brotherhood, and the Order. (ILLUSTRATION: Robert Mathews challenging an “anti-racist” protester.)
Newspapers have reported, week after week, on multimillion-dollar armored-car robberies and a counterfeiting operation intended to finance a violent overthrow of the U.S. government, fiery shootouts between White revolutionaries and SWAT teams of Federal police agents, an assassination of a Jewish radio commentator and alleged “hit lists” of government officials to be killed, and massive FBI manhunts for surviving members of a group that is said to have involved no more than 40 members. Interest in the Aryan Resistance Movement (ARM) on the part of the television networks and the nationally circulated print media seems still to be growing.
The fascination this story holds for the minions of the controlled media may be due to any of several features. First, there is the sheer scale and relative professionalism of the thing. Previous instances of direct action by “White extremists” have been on the order of three or four Ku Klux Klansmen tanking up on beer and then firing a shotgun from a pickup truck as they sped through a Black neighborhood. By way of contrast, in just one armored-car hijacking (in Ukiah, California) 17 members of ARM, operating with military precision, riddled a Brink’s truck with automatic-rifle fire and made off with $3.6 million in cash. The group recruited two Brink’s branch managers and were preparing to clean out the main Brink’s vaults in San Francisco, where as much as $50 million in cash is kept, when an informer betrayed them. By that time ARM had accumulated a million-dollar arsenal of military weapons, including machine guns, hand grenades, and night-vision sights for their automatic rifles, as well as high-tech communications equipment and a huge store of explosives.
Then there is the scope of ARM’s aims. Violent White resistance in the past nearly always has been strictly local in character, and largely unplanned: ad hoc opposition to a forced busing program, to the destruction of a White neighborhood by a Federal race-mixing decree, or to public activity by an anti-White group. A notable example of the last was the 1979 shootout between Klan members and Black and Jewish members of the Communist Workers’ Party, in Greensboro, North Carolina, in which five Communists were killed.
ARM, on the other hand, set its sights on a full-scale armed revolution, ending with the purification of the U.S. population and the institution of a race-based, authoritarian government. It recruited its activists throughout the country, and it carried out its strikes in half-a-dozen states. Whether or not these strikes were ill-advised, whether or not the recruiting tactics were well thought out, even the question of the feasibility of any type of armed action against the U.S. government under the conditions which now prevail — these questions are beside the point. The fact is that because of ARM, White resistance in America will never again be the same. The stakes have been raised substantially, and a new level of action has been set, which will be the baseline for future efforts.
But ARM is unique in more ways than the magnitude of its plans and the spectacular nature of its operations. There has been an element of do-or-die heroism, of fanaticism and determination, and of idealistic motivation in the group which causes the heart to swell and the blood to pump more strongly in some observers — and which causes cold shivers in others. The gentlemen of the press belong almost entirely to the latter group, but even in this deracinated rabble there are a few who still are able to recognize heroism when they see it, and who cannot help but feel a twinge of the White man’s natural response to it. Thus, some of the early Washington-state newspaper stories of the death of the group’s leader, Robert Mathews, after his single-handed standoff against 100 secret policemen — especially those stories which quoted from his last testament, a moving document indeed, written just two days before — lacked the sneering, spiteful tone of later, nationally-distributed news stories.
The real portent of the ARM saga, in fact, lies in the character of Mathews. He hardly fit the controlled media’s stereotyped image of the White activist — that of the deranged “hater” or the cowardly braggart. He was a man who had no time or inclination to hate or brag. He was an intensely earnest man, a passionate man, with strong convictions about what was right and what was wrong, but he also was a very private man, who believed in leaving others alone as long as they left him alone…
Read the rest of Pierce’s view of Mathews at the link.
Scott, you might reconsider your opinion of Bob & Co. as Yahoos, considering this unflattering definition that I found:
Yahoo: -noun, a person who is not very intelligent, synonyms: bumpkin, hayseed, hick, rube.
Well, if Dr. Pierce was “mentoring” Mr. Mathews, that does not speak well of him. However, I am willing to concede that I might have misjudged the good doctor.
In 1984, while Mr. Mathews was pretending to fight ZOG, I was doing what most young men my age should have focused on, and that was getting some education and getting some decent trade skills.
The year 1984, President Reagan in a misfired bid to derregulate the Federal Communications Commission and pander to multi-national corporations effectively eliminated First Class Licensing, which was merit-based. That put the entirety of the Radio-Electronics industry into turmoil and encouraged overseas outsourcing. It pulled the rug out of another American-led industrialization process.
That year, I was also promoted at the age of 22 to Sergeant (E-5) in the U.S. Army Signal Corps, which rarely happens on one’s first enlistment. I ultimately got an Amateur Radio License the next year because they were the only ones that actually knew how to do their jobs.
I found out that the Army’s radio communications systems were poorly designed and baked together, post-Vietnam. My workarounds were successful but not necessarily popular. Anyway, most of the officers were ROTC electrical engineer types who had never used an oscilloscope and knew their way around a calculator better than an actual radio set or a soldiering iron, although some of them were at least dedicated to fighting Communism.
Anyway, I was looking for inspiration in a White Power movement but not finding much. I had always liked Tom Metzger when he was on television, but the Skinhead æsthetics that he ultimately embraced were not so inspired.
And the people who assassinated the “criminally” obnoxious Denver talk Radio host (((Alan Berg))), if they were not literal enemy agents, might as well have been. They clearly never understood a word of Rockwell’s message in Legal, Psychological, and Political Warfare. That is why people like “tax protestors” endlessly incur the full weight of the government onto them and friends, but never actually move the political needle a blip. I hope that can be changed.
Rockwell’s point was that you fight ZOG by throwing him off balance like a sumo wrestler ─ not with bullheaded charges where you always get wiped out because the enemy is lots bigger than you. Hitler realized this early on as well. There is nothing in the White Nationalist message that is illegal or immoral, and we have to keep it on that playing field and upsetting the apple cart.
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Scott: May 5, 2026 Well, if Dr. Pierce was “mentoring” Mr. Mathews, that does not speak well of him. However, I am willing to concede that I might have misjudged the good doctor.
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You might have — a wee bit.
I know many who will claim Pierce as their mentor, including myself. One thing about mentoring, though, is that, as a rule, a mentor chooses his mentees, and Bob, as you can tell from “What it Will Take,” is that Pierce saw something in Bob that he wanted to cultivate. He’d found his prince after kissing many frogs.
He did not approve of Mathews’ abortive declaration of war on JOG and talked about in tract 20 of Volume 10 of NA’s 12-volume Power of Truth CD series. You’re not interested in that but others may be: A Call to Arms (with Bob Mathews) Available, here: https://cosmotheistchurch.org/product/the-power-of-truth-volume-10/
The Silent Brotherhood by Kevin Flynn and Gary Gerhard, 1989, is a halfway objective book about the Order. I read it 30-plus years ago and have kept a copy. One excerpt, page 322, that did not reflect poorly on Dr. Pierce, and convinced me that Bob considered him his mentor:
“Bob accorded Pierce a reverence approaching outright worship that he deigned to give no other man. When William Pierce spoke, Mathews became reticent, almost as if he was afraid to interrupt with thoughts of his own.”
Ha! Sounds like a mentor to me. What’s claimed in the next paragraph is why Pierce never carried The Silent Brotherhood in NA’s National Vanguard Books catalog, even with such praise of himself in it. He didn’t flatter easily.
In 1984, while Mr. Mathews was pretending to fight ZOG… I was also promoted at the age of 22 to Sergeant (E-5) in the U.S. Army Signal Corps, which rarely happens on one’s first enlistment.
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Interesting. After joining the Army at 18 in 1966 I was promoted to E-5 while in Infantry OCS (Officer Candidate School) the next year, while 19. A month after my 22d birthday, while on my second tour in Vietnam, I was promoted to Captain, — a Green Beret — while assigned to a Special Forces A–team on the Cambodian border, as our team’s Executive Officer. No brag, just fact. Maybe we can swap war stories someday?
[Order members] clearly never understood a word of Rockwell’s message in Legal, Psychological, and Political Warfare. That is why people like “tax protestors” endlessly incur the full weight of the government onto them and friends, but never actually move the political needle a blip.
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Scott, you clearly do not know what members of the Order understood or did not understand. You are a bright, knowledgeable fellow, and good researcher, but you should stick to what you do understand.
I had been in a protracted fight with the IRS in 1984 that you can say practically delivered me into the arms of the White Patriot Party because WPP was the only outfit in my area that was opposed to JOG.
So, it was not so much race or the JQ that attracted me at first but you could say it was being a serious “tax resister.” I wasn’t one to be bullied by JOG goons and eventually beat the IRS entirely on its bullshit claim against me. Interestingly, Bob Mathews began his political journey as a youthful “tax protester.”
Meanwhile, you could say the IRS unnecessarily created a monster. Otherwise I’d have never met my new circle of racially responsible friends. We have since “moved the political needle a few blips” in the subsequent 42 years of activism.
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