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Christian evangelicals — or fundamentalists, to be a little less precise — are in the unenviable position of catching flak from both the Left and the Right. There are some points which have already been discussed quite a bit already on our side of it. On the bright side, they tend to have their hearts in the right place, along with some healthy values. Overall they’re good people, despite what the Leftists say about them, except for certain bloviating televangelists who really are that bad.
Fundamentalists are on average more resistant to the bad parts of modernity, which they justifiably regard as evil. They have a healthy suspicion of New World Order globaloney, they’re not quite as unaware and compliant as the usual Joe Sixpack, their families are larger than average (pretty close to replacement rates, if memory serves), they pay attention to trends in education — and the list goes on. Aside from all that, there are quite a few of them, at least in the United States. In other words, it would be a mistake to write them off over latent scriptural universalism (most don’t fall for it, anyway), naïveté concerning Middle Eastern geopolitics, and so forth. All told, although they leave something to be desired ideologically, they’re certainly more educable than liberal Pod People.
My own thoughts about theology are too scattered to dive right into anything, or even to endorse any particular sect or religion wholeheartedly. Besides that, I’m too irreverent to take things very seriously. It’s certainly an interesting subject, but I don’t have all the answers. If Zeus and Athena want to drop by for a chat about all that, though, I’m all ears. Moreover, I find it rather hard to come to firm conclusions about otherworldly topics that I can’t directly observe. Perhaps that much comes from my years as a teenage atheist.
Simply put, we have to meet fundamentalists where they’re at, even when our own personal beliefs differ. We need to respect their religious views if we’re going to get anywhere with them. My purpose here is neither to promote nor to discourage fundamentalism. Rather, it’s to address certain sticking points I’ve encountered that can sometimes lead to inaction by those who otherwise are good people and might even know the score. A major reason why things are the way they are now is because there hasn’t been any effective pushback since about the mid-1960sWe now need all hands on deck to fix our society. Although that which is described in what follows are erroneous emanations of certain tendencies, they’re fortunately not ubiquitous, and they’re not inevitable consequences of key doctrines. Sooner or later you’ll meet a fundamentalist who simply needs some encouragement, and therefore what I have to say may be useful.
Sola scriptura in excelcis
Sourcefags have a theological near-equivalent
One of these difficulties that crop up from time to time is an overextension of a Protestant concept which disregards the significance of canon law and other traditions outside of Scripture. The idea is simple, and consists of two parts:
- something can’t be wrong or bad unless the Bible explicitly says it’s sinful or otherwise denounces it; and
- something isn’t important or necessary unless the Bible says so.
Of course, sola scriptura in excelcis is a bit silly. (Does one need a commandment to tie one’s shoelaces?) Still, it occurs sometimes. It obviously makes it tremendously difficult to discuss anything without whipping out a handy Scriptural reference.
In a way, those afflicted with this condition are somewhat like a certain subset of hatchlings. Namely, sourcefags are smug master debaters who bog down discussions by endlessly demanding peer-reviewed academic citations on the fly for things that should be obvious. They’ll find a way to brush off any evidence you can come up with, or pop off with other disingenuous objections to common knowledge, even though they know very well you have a good point. The difference is that sola scriptura in excelcis represents a genuine lack of understanding of why anyone might need any guidance other than the Bible. On the bright side, if you can discuss something with such people on their terms, they’ll listen and might even get the point.
In practice, you might get something such as, “Where does it say in the Bible that I should care about the fate of my people and my civilization?” The unspoken premise here is that you’re supposed to answer on the fly using an argument limited to theology and backed by Scriptural citations. It’s possible to find the answers, but reciting all that from memory is a tall order for anyone who isn’t a based theologian. Such cumbersome restrictions on discourse is rather like being asked to prove that water is wet while using only a weathervane, an astrolabe, and a study in the Journal of the American Medical Association about the inherent wetness of water.
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More seriously, the following might get some clarity. There are multitudes of remarkably bad things that the Bible doesn’t warn about, such as getting hooked on crack. (If that’s not self-evidently bad enough, drug abuse is an instance of gluttony. Although the Seven Deadly Sins came from Catholic doctrine, not the Bible; therefore, sola scriptura standards don’t explicitly prohibit smoking Satan’s boogers.) Likewise, Scripture has nothing to say about negative behaviors such as drunk driving, securities fraud, or the cardinal sin of farting in an elevator.
Neither does it discuss important positive behaviors such as brushing your teeth, balancing asset allocations in your investment portfolio, or routine automotive maintenance. Although the Bible has lots of answers to life’s big questions, it doesn’t say everything one might need to know. There are many modern conditions that don’t have a precedent in this ancient document, in which case it’s necessary to refer to other traditions and the sort of lessons learned which — as Mussolini put it — are the acquired facts of history.
As a side note, there was a time I offered someone a free copy of one of my books. His reply was, “Is it about God?” (The unspoken corollary was that if it was not, then it wasn’t worth reading.) Oh dear, now that was a bit awkward . . . Perhaps I should’ve given him a copy of The Final Falafel; that has plenty to say about religion, and surely it would’ve been a hit!
Caput inter nublia condit
Certain religious and philosophical schools of thought make a dualistic distinction between the worldly and the heavenly. This distinction regards the spiritual realm as superior to the mundane realm (or mundus in the original Latin). In some cases, the material world is regarded as merely a pit of sorrow; something rather unimportant, flawed, evil, or even fairly illusionary. The concept also feeds into the mind-body dichotomy.
This asceticism isn’t limited to somber medieval monks, either. Rather, it features across a broad geographical scope, from the Cathars of southern France to the Buddhists of the Orient, and temporally from the Zoroastrians of Persia to certain New Agers of today. That’s the Cliffs Notes version of the “sacred versus secular” discussion. In the case of fundamentalists, prioritizing spirituality over materialism sometimes puts their heads in the clouds in certain ways.
Given all the aggrieved muttering from Leftists about “the Religious Right,” what follows might come as a bit of a surprise. Some hardcore fundamentalists will regard politics as something messy, beneath them, and rather disturbing. To them, its inextricably worldly nature makes it a distraction from the spiritual realm. Politics should therefore be avoided as something impure, and even sort of dirty. (In all these ways, of course, it’s quite similar to how a prude might regard sex, which of course is a hang-up related to the mind-body dichotomy.) Considering themselves to be “above it all” will discourage them from confronting the problems of the world. Most fundamentalists don’t feel this way, of course, but it does come up sometimes.
Now, this is the takeaway. Some might piously consider themselves “not of this world.” That’s all well and good, but the fact is that we’re all part of this world, whether we like it or not. Most obviously, Earth is our home as long as we’re alive. The same goes for our family, as well as our future children and grandchildren, their descendants, and the great extended family which is our race. What happens here on Earth matters; very much so. Passively allowing things to slide into ruin is dreadfully neglectful. I’m not the first person to say this around here, but there’s something important to keep in mind: It’s all well and good to look to Heaven, but the battleground is right down here.
On a side note, I’ have to hand it to our Jewish buddies. They’re too practical for such hair-shirted aloofness. Imagine an ultra-Orthodox Talmud scholar — let’s say a lifelong New Yorker who looks like he’s fresh off the boat from seventeenth-century Bukovina — who is fully fluent in Yiddish and Hebrew (both ancient and modern) but speaks less English than a typical call center agent in Bangalore, and could benefit from occasionally stepping outside of his yeshiva to catch some daylight and smell the roses. Despite self-segregating from general society and being preoccupied with theological minutiae, even this Haredi-to-the-max guy more likely than not certainly does care about what goes on outside of his ethnoreligious enclave.
Deus Ex Machina
One sticking point arises from interpretations of the Book of Revelations. This is the belief that God will intervene to save us personally at the last minute from Doomsday. In some cases, this includes the Rapture doctrine, in which the elect will suddenly be bodily transported to Heaven while the rest of the world experiences the dreadful End Times tribulations.
There’s much to be said for the portentous nightmare fuel at the end of the Bible. For one thing, due to of a dire warning in Revelations, the idea of microchipping the population — which has been floated -in certain globalist circles — would meet with devastating opposition, should any tyrant be so foolish as to try to impose it. Surely a massive power grab such as that, which would enable citizens to be tracked more easily than ever before and would pave the way for a Chinese-style social credit system, would make the wannabe Bond villains at the W6rld Ec6nomic F6rum snicker like Beavis and Butthead. Granted, lots of sheeple would be totally cool with getting microchipped like cattle. On the other hand, enough fundamentalists would prefer to die — or maybe even fight back — that the idea is a complete non-starter even for the Gnomes of Davos. I’m not really sure what to make of Revelations, myself; heck if I know! Assuming it’s indeed prophetic, it’s certainly not easily interpreted.
Still, there’s an unfortunate corollary to the idea that Clown World will have a deus ex machina ending. If Doomsday really is fated to arrive soon, then trying to improve conditions is basically as futile as trimming the shrubs in downtown Hiroshima the day before President Truman’s gift arrived. (If you’re positively convinced that the Apocalypse will happen the Thursday after next, you might be tempted to play hooky from work and flake off your bills. Then again, what happens if you’re mistaken?) Unfortunately, the “we’re doomed” perspective can lead to defeatism. Although the motives for it differ, the effect is no better than inaction by the usual sort of do-nothings caused by apathy, cowardice, or sheer laziness while the country goes down the toilet.
Earlier times of great uncertainty, such as revolutionary France, sometimes inspired people to live life to the fullest given that today might be their last. Besides the joie de vivre in defiance of adversity, surely that inspired much bravery. On the other hand, fundamentalists confident that the End Times are at hand will more likely assume a grim bunker mentality. This unfortunately discourages them from going out and doing anything about the evil conditions that are pushing things closer to the brink.
There’s a major problem with counting on the Rapture doctrine, heavenly protection during the End Times, or some other form of divine intervention. Namely, no one can certain when Doomsday will occur, even assuming it does. For all I know — which I don’t — maybe we’re only experiencing a rough patch in history and the End Times are scheduled for the distant future, if it’s going to happen at all. Alternatively, according to one plausible interpretation Revelations might’ve predicted events during the Roman Empire — even though Nero’s term obviously fell short of being the end of the world, since we’re still here. Or is Earth now the luxury penthouse of Hell, full of dreadfulness such as pollution, poverty, and war, but with good cuisine to be found and some amazing scenery as well?
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Many previous generations assumed that theirs would be the last. Can we be so sure that Doomsday is near now? Quite a few predictions of the end of the world turned out to be embarrassingly premature. In any event, since it’s uncertain when, how, and even if divine intervention might save us, putting all our eggs into this one basket is certainly not prudent.
If you meet someone waiting on a deus ex machina grand finale, you can ask when this is going to take place. Soon? Well, how soon? As in this month? Sometime this year? Only God really knows, and claiming insider information would be rather presumptuous, right? So maybe this really might happen a while from now — perhaps a decade or two, or even more, for all we know. Until then, why endure years of degradation and decline without lifting a finger to do anything about it? Apart from that, does faith alone qualify someone to stand among the elect who are eligible for the Rapture, or is it possible that express tickets are reserved for the valiant?
I know someone who is very concerned that terrible events are in the works for this year, sensing that predictive programming in the mainstream media is priming the public for something big. When the shit hits the fan, he plans to hide out in his place until the Rapture carries him off to safety. (If 2024 will feature interesting times, though, then “The Event” — as some of the online buzz calls it — might well be something short of Doomsday.) My thoughts are: Should some cataclysm occur, he doesn’t have to be a passive spectator while all hell breaks loose. If, for example, the Little Green Men from Mars land nearby and start burning down his city, he can join the local resistance, help send the extraterrestrial hordes back to their planet, and have a shot at glory.
Is the future really set in stone? This would mean that free will is ineffective. (I’ll skip the huge theological debate about predestination, which is similarly applicable to ancient prophesies.) Instead, through the right actions, could a predicted disaster be delayed, lessened in severity, or perhaps avoided entirely? Speaking of apocalyptic stuff, the film Terminator 2 had a good point: “There’s no fate but what we make for ourselves.”
Speaking of movie quotes, say what one will about the recent Dune remake, Afro-Chani does have a good point. In one of the departures from the book, the scrappy feminist is a bit of a cynic and doesn’t go in for the Mahdi / Lisan al-Gaib stuff like the fundamentalist Fremen from the deep south of Arrakis who talk like rednecks:
You want to control people? Tell them a Messiah will come. Then they’ll wait — for centuries.
I should add that there are some on our side who fall into this same trap, expecting a great leader to emerge and put everything right. (If this does come to pass, I’d imagine that quite a few of them will be in the cheering section, but render no further assistance during the Kampfzeit — and afterward congratulate themselves for being on the right side from the beginning.) Once more, we need all hands on deck making whatever positive and constructive efforts they can. There’s no time for people to sit on their duffs until somebody else gets the ball rolling.
Moreover, there’s a fairly spot-on Leftist critique of Buddhism to the effect that it encourages passivity and discourages the masses from improving their lot and resisting repression. Likewise, waiting for our favorite deity to do the heavy lifting for us will deprive us of the motivation to get out there and do something. Perhaps God leaves us to manage our own affairs and wants us to fix things ourselves. If She wants to miracle us out of our woes, what’s taking Her so long? Wasn’t the emergence of disco “music” enough of an affront to everything good and holy that it would unleash divine wrath, if that were in the cards in the near term? More seriously, although we can’t count on divine intervention occurring exactly when we want it and exactly the way we want it, we can count on ourselves.
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An intelligent shot at working on a complex landmine of a topic. As you note, when the Jewish/urban sophisticates on the Left and the Nietzchean/pagan advocates on the Right both look down on the same group of White people, questions should be asked.
One approach I have tried in engaging fundamentalist Protestants, with limited success, is to ask don’t-see-color religious types why they think they are thereby so much holier than their believing ancestors for many many centuries, who took things like racial and ethnic differences for granted, just as contemporary believers take male/female differences.
Someone like Gab’s Andrew Torba, a very born-again Bible believer, still is able to see Jewish and anti-White games for what they are. So there is hope. Christian nationalism is inadequate, but it’s a step in the right direction: nationalism.
(Note, from a Latin student. I like your clever expansion of sola scriptura, but it’s not in excelcis, but excelsis. )
Indeed so – the Goths, the Crusaders, the defenders of Vienna, and the Conquistadors didn’t exactly have “Saracens Welcome” signs on their front lawns!
Anyway, I can imagine Revilo P. Oliver giving me a personal chewing-out for not knowing Latin better 🙂
I’ll take a crack at it:
Jesus never said “don’t be of this world” he said “don’t bury your talents.” He spoke of sober mindedness but he also turned water to wine to permit moderation for special occasions.
Since a mundane business could also be alright in moderation, then if corporations are “legal persons” then there is a mandate to spread the Gospel via a little slow march of your own. Worried about passing through the eye of the needle? Just donate profits to the church, like when Early Christians shared everything in common to survive.
Speaking of surving, you are asked to render unto Caeser what is Caeser’s, but this doesn’t mean supporting woke if it’s detrimental to your family, as you are encouraged to do so in the letters to Timothy.
As for race, a larger sort of family: if every person is his own field, then the total acerage of European and American people have been the most fruitful, or else there’d be no point listing the Genesis geneology to see the difference. Failing Christianity among whites today is just threshing out the lukewarm. The explosive popularity of “Christianity” in Africa and Latin America is really just liberation theology and wokeness spread by the Synogogue of Satan.
Not perfect but I’ll leave it to Christians to fill in the gaps and refine the overall script.
Jesus never said “don’t be of this world” he said “don’t bury your talents.”
Hmm. Well, 1 John 2:15-17 says this:
15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
I don’t think you need to love the world to use it properly, or the following passages are rendered useless:
“Be fruitful and multiply.”
“Thy kingdom come;
thy will be done on Earth,
as it is in Heaven.”
Furthermore, if kids are a quiver of arrows then the political sphere would be the bow itself. No one really loves violence (except psychopaths, they don’t count) but I’m sure there are biblical equivalents to the 2ndA for American concerns to parallel.
Just spitballing, took “meet them at their level” as a challenge.
Wait, this falls under the category of “there’s no scripture against smoking crack.”
How so? Seems more along the lines of “Be of this world/Don’t be of this world.”
Well, useless is one thing. Contradictory is another. I’ve come to think over time that The Bible’s staying power is in it contradictions—it can be whatever anyone needs it to be at any given moment.
Maybe it’s just futile then…
I can’t reply to your other comment, but I was talking about the other thing I had mentioned that was extra-Biblical advice, being “you don’t have to love the world to use it properly,” there likely isn’t a scripture for that attitude. I also kind of have to rely on Thessalonians 3 even existing to bolster any anti-Gnostic attitudes but the fundies likely wouldn’t be keen on what they’d call apocrypha anyway.
I have a bad habit of trying to help fix these problems because I’ve read more of the Bible than the Eddas, and its a lot of wishful thinking that I’ll contribute something to this subject which is ever more beyond my depth with every attempt.
Simply put, we have to meet fundamentalists where they’re at, even when our own personal beliefs differ. We need to respect their religious views if we’re going to get anywhere with them.
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We? Speak for yourself, thanks.
I and other realists, particularly Cosmotheists, don’t have to respect superstitious, gullible, Bible thumping herd animals. If salvageable, they must come our way or be left behind with the other deracinated rabble; we certainly will never be buying their Jewish spookcraft or pretending to.
For you Trumpsters out there, consider this fundamentalist Shabbos goy who is still quite likely to be tapped as The Donald’s running mate, considering the other lesser lights on the GOP short list:
“Video: Christian Crazy Watch — Mike Pompeo Says Trump Possibly Sent by God to Help Jews” at nationalvanguard.org.
Well, requiring people to join an exotic religion (or even just abandon the one they already have) in order to be counted as ideologically sound or even worthy of outreach is an entirely impractical barrier to entry for newcomers. That won’t get us anywhere, and we need a mass movement like yesterday. The way I see it, those who are pro-White and stay reasonably on-message are good enough for me, and I don’t concern myself with whatever their thoughts are on otherworldly matters.
That’s a fair approach. Problem is, the “movement” was invaded around six or seven years ago by people who insist you become a religious dogmatist.
That’s why my next feature will be called something along the lines of “The Other Great Replacement: Religion for Race.”
I’ll concur with you that it’s a bad idea to make subscribing to a certain religion a prerequisite. It’s better if we stand together on the important ideological matters, and agree to disagree about the rest.
Looking forward to that next article.
Jim Goad: May 18, 2024 …[The] “movement” was invaded around six or seven years ago by people who insist you become a religious dogmatist…
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Interesting. I have no idea who those “movement” invaders were and look forward to your next feature to learn about them. Whoever they were they could not invade either the Cosmotheist Community Church nor the National Alliance without coming through me. I have finely-tuned radar for detecting dogmatists who try to tell us what we need to believe.
Cosmotheism was officially founded by Dr. William Pierce nearly 50 years ago, separate from the “movement” of the day which was still mostly right-wing conservative and nominally Christian, and still is.
Many “movement” folks despise Cosmotheists because we refuse to accept their mythical “king of the Jews,” Jesus, as our personal savior. That dogmatic requisite is their problem, not ours.
I’m pleased to report that our bookstore just sold four more copies of Cosmotheism: Religion of the Future in the past two days, offered here”: cosmotheistchurch.org/shop/ New religions are slow to build.
“Deep inside all of us, in our race-soul, there is a source of divine wisdom, of ages-old wisdom, of wisdom as old as the Universe. That is the wisdom, the truth, of Cosmotheism. It is a truth of which most of us have been largely unconscious all our lives, but which now we have the opportunity to understand clearly and precisely.”
Thus William Pierce bids men and women of the European race to understand ourselves and our purpose.
Dr. William Luther Pierce’s Cosmotheism is not a revealed religion, but is instead what he called a natural religion: It rejects all of the claimed supernatural “revelations” which find their way onto shining golden plates or ancient scrolls, instead having its basis in the realities of Nature that our eyes — and the investigations of science — have confirmed. In the drama of the evolution of life from non-living matter, and of higher and more conscious beings from lower forms of life, William Pierce sees a path of purpose and destiny for us.
This new, definitive book provides the reader with the only guide to Cosmotheism published by the Cosmotheist Church itself. In effect, it is the Cosmotheist bible. It contains all of William Pierce’s important Cosmotheist works, including the Cosmotheist Trilogy, his essays from internal National Alliance and Cosmotheist Community publications, and his lectures at the Community’s first gatherings in Arlington, Virginia in the 1970s…
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JG: That’s why my next feature will be called something along the lines of “The Other Great Replacement: Religion for Race.”
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My two favorite subjects — the primacy of race and promoting a suitable spiritual philosophy for the Aryan race.
Cosmotheism is neither exotic, nor pagan, or neo-pagan (Wiccan?) as some here at C-C have suggested, nor is it a “requisite” for joining the NA. Though Jews and other non-Whites are ineligible, Christians are eligible to apply.
Cosmotheism can be considered heathen, perhaps, in the sense that our belief system is not Semitic (Judaism, Christianity, nor Islam), but is more an expansion of pantheism — further developed by William Pierce for our race as the alternative to Christianity which has had our people worshipping their racial enemy’s imaginary deity. How stupid is that?
WikiJews will not mention Cosmotheism favorably in their entry for pantheism, of course, but mention this about Giordano Bruno
…an Italian friar who evangelized about a transcendent and infinite God, was burned at the stake in 1600 by the Roman Inquisition. He has since become known as a celebrated pantheist and martyr of science.
Would not a more fitting biography of our race’s hero Bruno be that by Robert Green Ingersoll from 153 years ago? Here: “Julian the Apostate and Giordano Bruno” on nationalvanguard.org
WikiJews cannot mention (or even capitalize) Cosmotheism without citing their ADL and SPLC coreligionists — our watchdogs — in a requisite smear of Dr. Pierce, claiming it is a “tax dodge”:
In the 1970s, Pierce adopted the religious philosophy of cosmotheism, based on a mixture of German romanticism, the Darwinian concept of natural selection, and Pierce’s interpretation of George Bernard Shaw’s play Man and Superman. The Anti-Defamation League and the Southern Poverty Law Center both allege that Pierce utilized cosmotheism in order to acquire tax-exempt status for the National Alliance after he had failed to do so earlier.
Beau Albrecht, I greatly appreciate the eloquent comment you made. (May 18, 2024 @ 8:08 am) I wish I could give you about 10 thumbs-up! I have massive respect for National Vanguard but find the ideological straight-jacketing unhelpful, if not outright off-putting. I know, I know: If I’m not 100% in lock-step with the belief system of Will Williams, he will happily tell me how “unwanted” I am in their plans for attaining racial salvation. Regardless, I still respect the organization.
Although I’m less radical than the National Alliance, I must say they’re spot-on about a lot of things. All I’m really saying here is that we shouldn’t divide ourselves by religion (or lack thereof), but instead find ways to build bridges. Anyway, William Pierce himself had to following to say in his broadcast “On Churchgoers”.
I say to all of my friends, to all self-respecting White men and women, Christian or not: Let’s not concern ourselves with doctrinal quibbles now. Let’s not concern ourselves with whether or not our neighbor believes in virgin birth and walking on water; let’s concern ourselves with whether or not he cares about the survival of his people and is willing to do something for that survival. If he or she does care, and if he or she is willing, then he is our brother, then she is our sister.
Thank you for the additional context of Dr. William Pierce’s actual words. My experience in the comments section of National Vanguard had led me to a different conclusion. Your article above is excellent, by the way!
There are two different ethnics, most of the Buddha teaching is related to individual level, which deals with question: “What should I do?”
But “what should be done to maintain more or less healthy society” is a quite different question and I believe someone already discussed it here, or perhaps on TOO.
Master Gotama, King Ajātasattu Vedehiputta of Magadha pays homage to the Blessed One with his head at your feet. He inquires whether you are fit and healthy, agile and strong, and feeling at ease. Master Gotama, King Ajātasattu wishes to wage war against the Vajjis. He says thus: ‘As powerful and mighty as these Vajjis are, I will annihilate them, destroy them, bring calamity and disaster upon them.’”
Now on that occasion the Venerable Ānanda was standing behind the Blessed One fanning him. The Blessed One then addressed the Venerable Ānanda:
(1) “Ānanda, have you heard whether the Vajjis are assembling often and holding frequent assemblies?”
“I have heard, Bhante, that they do so.”
“Ānanda, as long as the Vajjis assemble often and hold frequent assemblies, only growth is to be expected for them, not decline.
(2) “Have you heard, Ānanda, whether the Vajjis are assembling in harmony, adjourning their meetings in harmony, and conducting the affairs of the Vajjis in harmony?”
“I have heard, Bhante, that they do so.”
“Ānanda, as long as the Vajjis assemble in harmony, [19] adjourn in harmony, and conduct the affairs of the Vajjis in harmony, only growth is to be expected for them, not decline.
(3) “Have you heard, Ānanda, whether the Vajjis do not decree anything that has not been decreed and do not abolish anything that has already been decreed, but undertake and follow the ancient Vajji principles as they have been decreed?”
“I have heard, Bhante, that they do so.”
“Ānanda, as long as the Vajjis do not decree anything that has not been decreed or abolish anything that has already been decreed but undertake and follow the ancient Vajji principles as they have been decreed, only growth is to be expected for them, not decline.
(4) “Have you heard, Ānanda, whether the Vajjis honor, respect, esteem, and venerate the Vajji elders and think they should be heeded?”
“I have heard, Bhante, that they do so.”
“Ānanda, as long as the Vajjis honor, respect, esteem, and venerate the Vajji elders and think they should be heeded, only growth is to be expected for them, not decline.
(5) “Have you heard, Ānanda, whether the Vajjis do not abduct women and girls from their families and force them to live with them?”
“I have heard, Bhante, that they don’t.”
“Ānanda, as long as the Vajjis do not abduct women and girls from their families and force them to live with them, only growth is to be expected for them, not decline.
(6) “Have you heard, Ānanda, whether the Vajjis honor, respect, esteem, and venerate their traditional shrines, both those within [the city] and those outside, and do not neglect the righteous oblations as given and done to them in the past?”
“I have heard, Bhante, that they do so.”
“Ānanda, as long as the Vajjis [20] honor, respect, esteem, and venerate their traditional shrines, both those within [the city] and those outside, and do not neglect the righteous oblations as given and done to them in the past, only growth is to be expected for them, not decline.
(7) “Have you heard, Ānanda, whether the Vajjis provide righteous protection, shelter, and guard for arahants, [with the intention]: ‘How can those arahants who have not yet come here come to our realm, and how can those arahants who have already come dwell at ease here?’”
“I have heard, Bhante, that they do so.”
“Ānanda, as long as the Vajjis provide righteous protection, shelter, and guard for arahants, [with the intention]: ‘How can those arahants who have not yet come here come to our realm, and how can those arahants who have already come dwell at ease here?’ only growth is to be expected for them, not decline.”
Then the Blessed One addressed the brahmin Vassakāra, the chief minister of Magadha: “On one occasion, brahmin, I was dwelling at Vesālī at the Sārandada Shrine. There I taught the Vajjis these seven principles of non-decline. As long as these seven principles of non-decline continue among the Vajjis, and the Vajjis are seen [established] in them, only growth is to be expected for them, not decline.”
When this was said, the brahmin Vassakāra said this to the Blessed One: “If, Master Gotama, the Vajjis were to observe even one among these principles of non-decline, only growth would be expected for them, not decline. What can be said if they observe all seven? King Ajātasattu Vedehiputta of Magadha, Master Gotama, cannot take the Vajjis by war, except [21] through treachery or internal dissension. And now, Master Gotama, we must be going. We are busy and have much to do.”
The old religion debate. There is nothing more divisive and irrational than talking about religion in the movement. It basically turns intelligent people into autists yelling each other “pagan” or “jewlover”, as we can see in the comments.
My position is this: you can pray to Odin, Christ, the Great Pumpkin or the Spaguetti Monster, but if you want to secure the existence of our people and a future for white children you are one of us, no matter your faith.
There are a lot of traditional catholics and protestant fundamentalist who are approachable (who know about the Jewish Question, or are privately race realists), but you must talk to them in political (not teligious) terms. If they insist in talking in religious terms, you simply insist in political and factual terms. If they ask about your personal religion, you simply list one or two things you like about their religion (they are like girls, and only listen what they want to hear).
Like Beau said in one comment: forcing people to adopt exotic religions, or abandon their faith, is contraproducent and divisive. In this hour of need we need to work with what we have.
Raised as a Protestant from an early age, I learned that:
The Jews were God’s chosen people;
I should love my enemies;
I should hate myself.
I gave up on religion while still in college, but I find conservative Christians to be more open to white preservation than most others. I’m an historic and cultural Christian, but not a theological one. The Bible is interesting as part of history, but not for much else. I went from being a “Christian” to being a “libertarian” to being a White person. I have three points:
My race is my religion;
My skin color is my uniform;
Go back and read 1&2.
It’s simple, to the point and focuses energy and concentration.
This was a good article and I appreciate the perspectives.
My view is that religion is so inherently toxic that it is bound to cause serious problems in one way or another.
For one thing, Christianity is universalist and we are not living in the Middle Ages any longer, and why would we want to?
Today the evangelical issues aren’t about White missionaries preaching overseas to exotic grass-skirted Brown people; instead it is next-door Race problems, which the Church isn’t going to address favorably for White people, however you dice it. Race is always going to be anathema for the believers in the one-true God. And how long has it been since the Church Ladies have stood in the way of Pride month?
If Race really is an existential crisis for our future as a people, then the implication is that there will be Thirty Years War-tier conflicts in the future where two sides are willing to kill each other over what they think God says about the morality of race-mixing or whatever is the wokest thing in the news.
And before someone objects that the Church fights the Joos ─ er, no they don’t. They never really have, and not just since Vatican II. Traditional values is when the Church burns you at the stake because you don’t quite agree on some meaningless sectarian plank and then dare to “Lollardize” about it.
Sir Thomas More was made a Saint (in the woke 20th century) not because he supported the corrupt 16th century Pope against the sketchy Royal divorce ─ therefore losing his head for “treason” to the crown ─ but because as principled Lord Chancellor More had zealously burned so many blathering proto-Protestants at the stake in the service of the Defender of the Faith (the King then in good stead with the Roman Pontiff).
More’s is not the kind of Utopia that I would want to live in. And we shall not mention whether the Church ever figured out its deal with the celibate priests and their touching the altar boys thing.
But the Protestants don’t get a pass either. What answers do the Scriptures really give us? Both David Koresh and Jim Jones read the King James Version of the Bible, and they stirred their own spin on these lessons into the their own fruity punch bowl.
Lately I have been following the trial in Idaho of the “Doomsday Cult Leader,” Chad Daybell, who suffocated his wife of 28 years with the help of his hot and crazy girlfriend’s misfit brother, Alex Cox, who fancied himself as a soldier of God. Fortunately it was just a three-person cult.
Mr. Daybell was a meek and spiritually-minded guy who studied Science Fiction/Fantasy and other research at the BYU-Idaho Library to write these dumb prepper novels that bore witness to near-death experiences, his psychic visions, and the Second Coming of Jesus. I’ve known a lot of nerds like this ─ although they don’t usually kill people.
Chad found it easier to snuff his “Vanilla” wife than to endure the shame of a divorce and being excommunicated from the LDS church for carrying on an extra-marital affair with Lori Vallow (who had just murdered her fourth husband). The dark trio of Chad, Alex, and Lori murdered Lori’s two young kids and then buried them in the pet cemetery in the backyard pasture of Chad’s home at Salem, Idaho ─ which is near the canyon outlet of the Teton River.
In 1976, this was the scene of the catastrophic failure of the Teton Dam. The preparedness for disaster of the locals ─ mostly Latter-Day Saints ─ in those days was quite impressive. They are taught to have a substantial food storage stockpile, for example. I was there at the airport along the Snake River (photo) as a Civil Air Patrol cadet, and with my Dad and Uncle laying sandbags to protect the Idaho Falls powerplant.
Later, when I was going to College in nearby Rexburg we would drive past Chad’s future home to go exploring in the area of the St. Anthony sand dunes and the nearby Civil Defense caves ─ a Cold War use of primordial lava tubes found all over Eastern Idaho. People are still finding human torsos and other body parts in these caves from murder victims of over a hundred years ago when Idaho was still on the wild frontier.
Identity of a man found in a cave 40 years ago has been revealed, along with his colorful criminal past
“The man’s remains were so well preserved, there was still skin on the body. Anthropologists believed that he had maybe only been in the caves for five to 10 years. When the DNA Doe Project finally put the genetic and genealogical pieces together, they learned [that the murdered and dismembered outlaw] had been in the cave since 1916.” (LINK)
Chad Daybell could have found a million places to stash two bodies ─ but because he sees himself as a man of God, and with the Second Coming of Jesus presumably right around the corner, he just could not believe it when the police showed up with a warrant to search his back yard looking for his new wife, Lori’s two missing kids. Drinking your own Kool-Aid is not a good idea.
Lori wanted to be an empty-nester and free to marry her “prophet” boyfriend and vacation in style in Hawaii with the life insurance money from the death of her new husband’s wife. She got cheated out of the life insurance settlement for her murdered ex-husband because he changed the beneficiary at the last minute.
Lori Vallow Daybell has already been convicted in Idaho and will spend the rest of her life in prison ─ but not before she faces trial in Arizona for murdering her ex-husband there, plus the attempted murder of her niece’s ex-husband by a sniper. Chad faces the death penalty for his homicides, but Mother of the Year Lori skated on that one as a woman.
You probably already know the above story; it has been in the news. The lamestream media loves to say that Idaho is full of White Supreemists and whackadoodle Mormons. But at the worst, until Brother Chad started killing people to marry his hot blonde Black Widow, nobody was worried about his theological hobbies.
Lots of people believe weird things.
I cannot see how the convictions of the faithful are going to help us as White Nationalists. The facts don’t matter to the faithful. At least politics is based upon rational ideas and some concrete facts that can be debated. But religion is inherently toxic.
I’m not a believer. My opinion is simply that White people have earned the right to their consciences ─ and as long as we have the separation of Church and State, we should respect those who wish to remain Christians.
But focusing on the faithful as part of a political movement is a stone cold dead end. Mankind may not have changed much since the Middle Ages, but too many people are wise to simple (and silly) superstitions, and we should build on that instead.
🙂
“Fundamentalists are on average more resistant to the bad parts of modernity, which they justifiably regard as evil.”
I had a falling-out with a White minister from Texas at a church I was attending last year after he had openly called the Confederate battle flag a “racist symbol” in a church group chat.
tl;dr
Christinsanity is white genocide.
Most white adults attend religious services a few times a year or less as of 2019 (57%), while “Regular churchgoers still outnumber those who infrequently or never go to religious services among black Americans (58% vs. 41%)”
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2019/10/17/in-u-s-decline-of-christianity-continues-at-rapid-pace/
About 38% of white members of Generation Z are Christians, while 46% are nones [nonreligious] . . . 30% of Gen Z never attend religious services
https://religioninpublic.blog/2021/07/19/generation-z-and-religion-the-most-recent-data/
While two-thirds of seniors are white Christians, only around a quarter of people 18-29 are . . . thanks mostly to a large number of Hispanic parishioners, and the apostasy of young white people, Jones says that the church is “almost reaching parity”, and “in many areas of the country the church is majority Latino”.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/sep/20/end-of-white-christian-america
Over 40% of white U.S adults “do not believe Jesus will return/do not believe in Jesus” (Pew Research)
But Christianity is big in Africa:
“Among Christians, religion most important in sub-Saharan Africa, Latin America and the United States: % Christians who say religion is “very important” in their lives”:
Ghana: 89%, Nigeria, 82%, Ethopia, 98%, South Africa, 79%
Phillipines: 98%, Colombia: 80%, Honduras, 94%
Percentage of Christians who attend church at least once a week:
Nigeria, 89%, Zambia, 85%, Tanzania, 83%, Central African Republic, 83%, etc. etc. In Japan, it’s 50%, in the United States, it’s 47%.
Lastly:
30% of Whites are Christian Nationalism rejectors, 38% are Christian Nationalism Skeptics
PRRI / Brookings Christian Nationalism Survey, 2023
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