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Margaret Bauer, Editor
Faith and Heritage: A Christian Nationalist Anthology
Allentown, Pa.: Antelope Hill Publishing, 2021
Christian Nationalism is a new theological movement which seeks to harmonize the Christian religion with white advocacy. Between 2011 and 2019, Christian Nationalist theologians expressed their ideas on a website called Faith and Heritage between 2011 and 2019. A selection of essays from the site was published as an anthology by Antelope Hill Publishing in 2021. It is filled with wisdom and is well worth reading. Theology matters. As Rousas J. Rushdoony wrote:
The abstraction of doctrine and theology from life has been one of the great disasters in the life of the church. Richard Weaver saw clearly that Ideas have Consequences. To abstract Biblical faith from life to the classroom, and to limit its relevance to the private realm, is one of the great evils of the modern church.[1]
The Christian Nationalist theologians in this anthology are clearly influenced by Rushdoony, and he is extensively quoted. Rushdoony was not a white advocate, although his theological ideas do indeed support the existence of white, European-derived peoples.
Alienist vs. Kinist Christianity
Christian Nationalists point out that that modern Christianity has divided into alienist and kinist branches. The alienists support a view which is ultimately anti-white and hostile to nation-states. Taken to its extreme form, alienist Christianity is one which denies even the existence of biological sex differences.
The Dispensationalist branch of alienism is the most devastating. In Palestine, the world’s oldest Christian community is being brutalized by ethnonationalist Jews who are cheered on and supported by white American Christians. Dispensationalism holds that racial Jews have a special place in the divine order and that the modern Zionist Entity is the fulfillment of Biblical prophecy.
Dispensationalism is not true, however. Even the Dispensationalist postulation of a uniquely Jewish claim to any part of the Levant or anything in the Bible is faulty. As the Christian Nationalist theologian David Carlton writes:
Ironically, most white Christians have as good a claim on ancient Israel as anyone. I’m not invoking far-fetched theories derived from specifically Christian Identity or British/Anglo-Israel claims, either. It seems that, during the time of the Maccabean revolt against the Seleucid overloads of the Israelites, the Israelites established a pact with the Spartans based upon the fact that both the Israelites and the Spartans were descended from Abraham (1 Macc. 12:21). The Spartans (sometimes referred to as the Lacedemonians) are portrayed in the movie 300 for their heroic stand against the Persians at Thermopylae, and are a major pillar of European civilization. If the Spartans are descendants of Abraham, as the ancient Israelites believed, then it would seem logical that all Europeans are likewise descended from Abraham. This could explain at least in part how Japeth (the general ancestor of Europeans) dwells in the tents of Shem, according to Noah’s prophecy in Gen. 9:27. It is a truly sad irony that European Christians expend much energy lobbying for a group of people with a less clear claim to descent from the ancient Israelites than they have themselves.[2]
Another version of alienism is what I call Negro Worship. This form of idolatry is laughable in that it turns the most criminally dangerous and child-like portion of humanity into gods, but nevertheless exerts great power over white minds. An example of this foolishness is the writings of the black liberation theologian James Cone. In his book Black Theology and Black Power (1969), he writes:
For white people, God’s reconciliation in Jesus Christ means that God has made black people a beautiful people; and if they are going to be in relationship with God, they must enter by means of their black brothers, who are a manifestation of God’s presence on earth. The assumption that one can know God without knowing blackness is the basic heresy of the white churches. They want God without blackness, Christ without obedience, love without death. What they fail to realize is that in America, God’s revelation on earth has always been black, red, or some other shocking shade, but never white. Whiteness, as revealed in the history of America, is the expression of what is wrong with man. It is a symbol of man’s depravity . . . Reconciliation to God means that white people are prepared to deny themselves (whiteness), take up the cross (blackness) and follow Christ (black ghetto).[3]
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The kinist branch of Christianity allows for salvation through one’s family and nation. Throughout the book, various Bible verses are quoted which show that Christianity does indeed accept the existence of different nations and that these distinctions don’t undermine the religion’s spiritual unity.
The most important verse is Acts 17:26:
From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands.
The Apostle Paul also emphasized national distinctions when he expressed frustration with the people of Crete when writing to Titus:
One of the Cretans, a prophet of their own, said, “Cretans are always liars, evil beasts, lazy gluttons.” This testimony is true. Therefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith, not devoting themselves to Jewish myths and the commands of people who turn away from the truth.
In other words, Paul is advising Titus to understand the differences between people and adjust his message accordingly. He also encouraged the people of Crete to avoid Jewish myths.
Nil Desperandum shows that it is pure fantasy to imagine that the peoples of Liberia and Guatemala would, post-redemption,
be unaffected by their lower average IQ or their native propensity to the sins of violence, and so be as prosperous and righteous as we would expect a European Christian nation to be. While such a view is to be commended for its high view of divine efficacy, it can be criticized for its deficient understanding of the faculties with which God has endowed other peoples, in addition to its implicit affirmation that God will wipe out these characteristics to create utterly “new” spiritual beings, rather than redeem them as they are.[4]
Faith and Heritage’s authors read Counter-Currents, and Nil Desperandum argues against the ideas in Gregory Hood’s essay “Why Christianity Can’t Save Us.” The most important point Desperandum makes is that universal moralism is of absolute importance, and white advocates cannot ignore this.
Universal Morality Before a Simplistic Worldview
The importance of universal morality dovetails with the ongoing failures of the American military. Ehud Would writes about the immorality of an influential strain of thought which has poisoned the American War Machine, coming from the pen of Lieutenant Colonel David Grossman: killology. In the mid-1990s, Grossman wrote a book called On Killing which explored the United States Army’s methods of training its soldiers to kill perfect strangers more efficiently. Within the “killology” philosophy is the idea that there are “sheep” (the public) who need protection from “wolves” (some enemy). The protection is provided by “sheepdogs” (the military). Grossman’s simplistic framing of the moral order of military operations has created dismal military leaders such as former Secretary of Defense “Mad Dog” Mattis, who said “Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet.”
Mattis’s Grossman-influenced worldview is as simplistic as it is stupid. The politics of war involve the complexities of several societies locked in battle for a period of time based on ephemeral political circumstances. The nuances and facets of war therefore require a view that goes beyond mere killing. Another overly simplistic view along the lines of killology is game theory, which encourages unattached men to seek to seduce women through social interactions that are akin to a computer hack or a video game cheat code.
Theology is very important. Puzzling out the moral order from the chaos of society gives clarity to people in all walks of life. A theological look at white advocacy which is free of the chains of that illicit second constitution, the 1964 Civil Rights Act, and the pseudo-religion of Negro Worship is absolutely critical for such an understanding. The essays in this anthology may thus very well represent the seeds of a new spiritual awakening.
Notes
[1] Rousas John Rushdoony, The Foundations of Social Order: Studies in the Creeds and Councils of the Early Church, third edition (Vallecito, Calif.: Ross House Books, 1998), p. 1.
[2] Margaret Bauer (ed.), Faith and Heritage: A Christian Nationalist Anthology
(Allentown, Pa.: Antelope Hill Publishing, 2021), p. 32.
[3] Ibid., p. 332.
[4] Ibid, p. 101.
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I bought this book a few years ago and thought it was very good.
Cosmotheism is the religion of upward evolution. Cosmotheism is the religion of European Peoples & its Civilization. Cosmotheism is the religion of reality and science. Cosmotheism is the religion of God — the real God, whose true words are mathematics, physics, and genetics.
There is a tendency called “nacionalismo catolico” in Argentina. Its most famous representative is father Julio Meinvielle. In my humble opinion, this is the most solid current within the religious Right.
It blends the political philosophy of Plato, Aristotle and Tomas Aquinas with the economic teachings of the Social Doctrine of the Church and it is strongly hostile to jewry.
Its worth checking out.
I am familiar with some of the political-economy of the Catholic Social Teaching. Taken on their face, ideas like ‘Distributism’ and ‘subsidiarity’ are great. But why do White Nationalists need catholicism to make use of these ideas? I submit they do not.
White Nationalism – the affective order in which Whites caring about Whites because they are White and not other reason is the primary order – is a religion in which Whites bind themselves to each other as Whites to thrive as Whites.
White Nationalism doesn’t need a messiah. It doesn’t need ‘a thousand years of theology’. It represents a new emotional and physical territorial order.
Pro-White Christians keep trying to sell ‘Christianity’ to White Nationalists because they have failed to sell ‘White Nationalism’ to Christians.
White Nationalism doesn’t need the baggage that the fantasy of ‘universal morality’ brings to the movement.
White Nationalists have a value system if they want it. It’s ‘Whites caring about Whites because they are White and no other reason’.
Christianity cannot offer Whites a more comprehensive world-view and foundation than that.
Okay, let’s start by having our own hamlet, or village, or town, or county, or city, or state,… Let’s do it.
Openly occupying a space in which we openly operate on White Nationalist principles would give our enemies the ‘hard target’ they need to fund-raise. Consider how much money hostile NGOs have raised with the word ‘Charlottesville’ and you’ll see why giving the enemy a ‘hard target’ is a tactical error at this point.
For much of Middle America, it’s really the simplest thing to be integrated into the decision-making apparatus: Just consistently go to ‘town council’ meetings. Spend most of your time listening and watching. Learn the players and attempt to discern their motives. Local government is far more responsive than you realize. But, whatever you do, do not wear your White Nationalism on your sleeve. Just be White and be useful and, in due course, power and influence will flow towards you. Learn to use other arguments to get the pro-White outcomes that you want.
Confrontation only favors our enemies. Infiltration favors us.
Hamburger Today,
We are 100+ million & we can’t even have our own community! How pathetic. Our enemies are the hard-targets as they are the ones attacking our unity for the betterment of our people. And so, they have exposed themselves for all to see. It’s not what our enemies do, it’s what we don’t do as we sit around as our children become a minority with each passing day. There is no problem we can’t solve. We need to put our heads together for our XIV VERBA.
“Christian Nationalism is a new theological movement which seeks to harmonize the Christian religion with white advocacy.”
(1) The theology advocated by F&H is called “Kinism,” and I’m afraid that “Christian Nationalism” has seemingly been appropriated by civic nationalists.
(2) I wouldn’t call it “new” since Kinism has been around since at least the 1990s, plus Kinists themselves would argue that their beliefs are Biblical and Patristic (as this book argues).
When 50% of all ‘Christians’ embrace pro-White advocacy, I think the idea of ‘Kinism’ might be of value to White Nationalists. But I think the simple truth is that the only religion that a White Nationalist need is White Nationalism: Whites caring about Whites because they are White and for no other reason.
Christianity can’t balance the particular and the universal in a human being. It doesn’t align with human nature. It doesn’t give its adherents a way of life.
There are no human examples whose conduct can provide a guideline to its adherents.
The figures of Prophet Jesus and Lady Mary (Peace and Blessings of Allah Almighty be upon them) are elevated to divinity, which makes them symbols of worship not ideals to be followed in practical lives.
Christianity was a local reform movement. It didn’t have the doctrinal capacity to be global.
The Greco-Roman and later continental adoption of it created a false impression that it could absorb various races and their cultures while, at the same time, keep its doctrine autonomous and universal.
In the end, it became a tool in the hands of political bureaucracies, which used it ruthlessly [the violent conversion of Europe].
Sorry Mr Aryan, but this is largely tosh. It may involve a degree of magical thinking if its mythology is to be taken literally but Christianity had no problem giving people a way of life, and one, in fact that was generally in accord with the natural tendencies of the people to whom it was proselytised. It was generally understood that warfare could still be conducted against non-believers so at least in this it was not all that different from the upstart heresy (from the Christian perspective) of Islam. It was fanatically intolerant of heresy until the seventeenth century and has only countenanced Islam sharing its territory on any scale in the last forty years or so. It spread to be by far the dominant religion on four continents and is very widely practised in Africa, with significant adherents in Asia, notably in S. Korea, South-West India and until recently in the Middle East.
All of that being said it is tainted with Hebraic elements, especially in Protestant denominations and it does cultivate a slave morality. Until very recently this was counterbalanced in most European countries by a strong martial honour culture among men. It is the demise of this, under a hostile elite propaganda and cultural onslaught abetted by increasing female leadership, which has left the increasingly post-Christian West paralyzed against its invaders.
@Antipodean
…but Christianity had no problem giving people a way of life,…
What was that “way of life”? And if there really was one, who authorized that? Did it emanate from the principal sources? Or did everybody have the right to add to the doctrine or subtract from it whatever way he deemed fit?
…that was generally in accord with the natural tendencies of the people to whom it was proselytised.
How did it accord with the natural tendencies of the proselytized people? [when according to you it needed extra-doctrinal assistance to counterbalance its “slave morality”.]
Christianity did work with at least some tendencies of its proselytized people. Take our holidays, for example. Christmas and Easter both have pagan origins in things like Yule, Saturnalia, etc. Gift-giving and decorating started with pre-Christian traditions. Hence, some aspects of Christianity catered to the existing traditions of Europeans.
As for Islam, I don’t know how much was made to fit in with local customs, but I know one area where it did not go along with the proselytized. Beards.
You can tell it’s an Arabic religion just by its rules on beards and shaving.
Have you ever seen an Indonesian with a beard? It’s like me trying to grow one at 14.
@Edmund
The first paragraph of your comment reinforces my argument which I made in my first comment.
You can tell it’s an Arabic religion just by its rules on beards and shaving.
Have you ever seen an Indonesian with a beard? It’s like me trying to grow one at 14
Facial hair is one of the signs of manliness. It adorns a man. Therefore, it is only rational if Islam expects men to align with their nature and keep facial hair.
Of course, those whose density of facial hair is low aren’t commanded to seek cosmetic surgeries. One should keep and smarten what he has.
And, yes, I have seen Indonesians with beards.
The Easter is Iranoaryan, later also Türkic New Year’s Day, Novruz, the vernal equinox.
Christianity has Jewish roots and is not grounded in reality. Fact!
Any White who claims to be a Christian nationalist must, by definition. put his imaginary “King of the Jews,” Christ Jesus, ahead of the interests of his racial nation. He is over on “the other side” and needs to stay there, away from our councils, and keep aiding the enemy by worshiping the Jews’ imaginary tribal deity Jehovah and encouraging others of our kinsmen to do likewise.
I suggest that eventually, given the choice between giving up their universalist Jewish spook craft for racial loyalty, or continuing to worship Jehovah, Christians who choose the latter have a cross or crucifix prominently tattooed on their foreheads. There is historical precedent for such ill-advised behavior.
Any White who claims to be a Christian nationalist must, by definition. put his imaginary “King of the Jews,” Christ Jesus, ahead of the interests of his racial nation.
Indeed, and we’ll need to weed out the secular humanists, too. Let’s require any potential WN leader to bow down and worship Baphomet, and maybe throw a non-White infant or two into the fires of Gehenna, so we can be sure our leaders have not one ounce of human empathy, or even abstract principles, that might tie their hands.
‘Secular humanists’ are just another purveyor of ‘universal values’ like ‘Christianity’. Given that Whites cannot agree on ‘the best’ supernatural beliefs, ‘secularism’ seems to me to be the best policy position for Whites, but each community should make their own rules on public expression of supernatural beliefs.
Anti-christians seem to forget that supersessionism is a belief that exists, and that it was in fact the common belief among christians until the protestant revolt. We simply need to return to that, not to some pagan LARP upending all of the west’s moral foundations for no real good reason.
Christianity is the LARP at this point. Under the relentless pressure of capitalism and ‘universal values’, most people have ‘old ways’ beliefs without even knowing it. Christians jump from church to church looking for the best ‘deal’. The old days of the ‘village church’ are long gone and now ‘Christianity’ presents itself to the public like a spiritual food court where the best product gets the most customers. I’d call it unseemly but the Christian embrace of ‘universal values’ leads inevitably to the embrace of ‘free markets’.
The reason Woke is winning is because it is a better version of ‘Christianity’ for the ruling class than the Old LARP of ‘faith in the resurrection’. The problem for non-Woke Christians is that Woke Christianity finally has the power that pre-Woke Christianity has been trying to acquire since the 1700s.
White Nationalists need to live by the maxim that ‘Eventually every bad idea will try to attach itself to White Nationalism and needs to be repelled.’
I submit to the reader that ‘Christian Nationalism’ is one such idea.
Lexi: July 27, 2024 Let’s require any potential WN leader to bow down and worship Baphomet,..
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Let’s not. I had to look that one up.
WikiJews say “Modern scholars agree that the name of Baphomet was an Old French corruption of the name ‘Mohammed’.”
You are aware they’re being sarcastic, yes?
WikiJews say “Modern scholars agree that the name of Baphomet was an Old French corruption of the name ‘Mohammed’.”
I do not believe, sorry. The descriptions of Baphomet are different, contradictory but anyway they have little in common with the description of any human being, Prophet or not.
I liked to read Faith and Heritage, even if I think that Christianism never had the doctrinal capacity to be used as a basis for racial preservation.
In fact, you can find everything and it’s contrary in the Bible concerning the races. That’s why leftists can use their own vision of ” Jesus ” to promote non whites , pathological altruism and race mixing..
It was sad when Faith and Heritage ceased to exist. It had ones of the best articles I have ever read about races, and non whites who are, according to their site and it is also my opinion, grotesque deviations ( physically and morally) of the central northern European white archetype.
“Christianism”?? lol
re: “Christianism”
It’s clever! I like it, and I’m going to ‘borrow’ it — with a hat-tip to Lady Strange 😉
As a white nationalist and an Orthodox Christian myself, I appreciate the range of thoughts and opinions on CC. I personally find no contradiction between wanting a white homeland and being Christian. I also think the gospel should be brought to all, but in their own counties. Let them flourish in their own sphere and I’ll flourish in mine.
That might be too simplistic and naive a view for many readers here tho.
Brother-Argyle: July 28, 2024 As a white [sic] nationalist and an Orthodox Christian myself, I appreciate the range of thoughts and opinions on CC... Let [others] flourish in their own sphere and I’ll flourish in mine.
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Thanks, Brother. Jews love it when their Aryan goyim are gathered in a big tent with a majority of us believing in one form or another of their pie-in-the-sky escapist creed. It’s good that at least a few of us are welcomed, if reluctantly, into the tent to show our people a different path, a better path that is race-centered — not universalist — grounded in reality and that conforms to the eternal laws of Mother Nature rather than to the <cough!> Chosenites’ suicidal Abrahamic creed.
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Jakobin: July 28, 2024 Anti-christians seem to forget that supersessionism is a belief that exists, and that it was in fact the common belief among christians until the protestant revolt. We simply need to return to that, not to some pagan LARP upending all of the west’s moral foundations for no real good reason.
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I’ll stipulate to being anti-Christian and anti-Jew. I have no idea what a LARP is or what supersessionism is. I prefer plain talk and don’t care to learn what they are.
I know my people were White long before protesting Jew-hater Martin Luther came along and much longer before the “common belief” against he was protesting.
If Americans truly believe in “religious liberty,” when there is a significant majority of racially loyal Whites rejecting the Christian slave religion and its imaginary Semitic deity and embrace a superior belief system, then their parasitic Jewish masters will slither back under the big, heavy rock where they belong.
Man. With guys like you in our camp, no wonder WN’s are in small numbers.
Christianity is dying in the West and pro-White sentiment among Whites is growing.
Christians have utterly failed to sell any version of White Nationalism that is Christian.
White Nationalism will be the affective order that binds Whites to each other, not ‘Christianity’.
‘White Nationalism’ is my religion. And it ought to be the ‘religion’ of every other White as well.
White Christians are already being criticized for having ‘white churches’ by non-White Christians.
You people are doomed to marginalization by your own co-religionists.
You summed up my point exactly. There’s like 75 WN’s in the US and 3/4 of them are kinda dicks that no one wants to hang out with.
HT:
There is an awful lot to talk about here, and I will post more at some point, but I wanted to respond to you in particular because I’m a fan of yours and know you to be reasonable.
Whether Christianity is dying or not is very much an open question. As I explained recently on another thread, the churches certainly are dying, in short, because they are run by and for old people, with a short-term orientation, and little interest in making it a priority to be family-friendly.
It doesn’t follow that Christianity, or even organized Christianity, is dying. Going forward, Christianity will return to the universities and the conference centers. High-brow Christians prefer supporting university-based Christian Studies Centers and attending illuminating lectures to listening to repetitive sermons in the pews.
Outside the intellectual elite, ordinary Christians will increasingly opt for the “Joyce Meyer” model, where people with similar issues and concerns will attend large retreat conferences with Bible study lessons tailored to their particular needs and phase of life. This will allow Christians to truly recharge their batteries, find practical ways to improve their lives, and form real bonds of friendship.
The ongoing collapse of the neo-Darwinian synthesis will revitalize belief in God, and Whites will follow their elites, en masse, back to Christianity, because, like it or not, the arc of history bends toward ethical monotheism, and it isn’t even very long. The other monotheistic religions are excessively authoritarian and insufficiently Faustian for Whites. That is to say, the gap between God and Man is too large in voluntarist monotheism that emphasizes Divine Sovereignty, too small in anthropomorphic polytheism. Christianity is the Baby Bear’s porridge of religion- just right.
I know skeptics claim that intelligent Design is a “God of the Gaps” argument, but this claim has never been persuasive to anyone but militant atheist keyboard culture warriors. It’s a simple syllogism:
E or G
Not E
Therefore G
Our first premise could, theoretically, be false, but to date no one has articulated any sensible alternative. According to skeptics, science has nothing to say about God, except when it is saying that He doesn’t exist. That is, new scientific explanations of this or that natural phenomenon are interpreted as evidence that God does not exist, or at least that He is an unnecessary, superfluous conjecture that should be discarded per Occam’s Razor. To be consistent, then, one would have to concede that new mysteries and conundrums that emerge from the progess of science suggest that rumors of God’s death may be wildly exaggerated.
Christians have utterly failed to sell any version of White Nationalism that is ‘Christianity First!’ to Christians.
This is a completely unreasonable demand. There is no grassroots solution to a top-down problem, whether you’re talking about the Sierra Club, the Republican party, or the Southern Baptist Convention.
White Christians are already being criticized for having ‘white churches’ by non-White Christians.
I’m not so sure about that. Christian worship, like Christian artistic expression, varies a great deal according to the ethnicity of the constituents. Black people think White Churches are dull and White people think Black Churches are too boisterous. I can admire Black gospel music and recognize it as authentically Christian without having the slightest desire to attend a Black Church.
Mainstream conservatives think that the Constitution or our values can paper over our superficial racial differences and bring us all together as citizens of one polity. WN rightly reject this view as unrealistic, yet they claim that religion can do what a political system cannot. Though they claim race is real, they insist that Christianity is an inevitably homogenizing force that will deracinate us all. Which is it?
You are right about one thing, though, it is only White churches that come in for abuse if they wish to remain as they are. That should tell you right there that this criticism is motivated entirely by politics rather than doctrine. After all, if Black churches aren’t doing it right, hadn’t someone ought to let them know so they don’t disgrace the Gospel or jeopardize the spiritual wellbeing of their congregants?
Our Race Our Religion; Our Religion Our Race. OROR(2).
OROR(2) XIV VERBA
>>White Christians are already being criticized for having ‘white churches’ by non-White Christians.<<
Exactly. Boise is far too painfully-White. Bring in the Blacks.
Let’s say you have a nice White church in a nice White part of the country. No muss. No fuss. Right?
Then somebody starts bringing in the Haitians and Somalis to Whitopia, and (almost) nobody likes that, so you have to make it a “Whites Only” flock.
And, like clockwork, the Feds bring in the IRS audits, and the FBI and the SPLC and the ADL, and what Pat Buchanan called the “Amen Corner,” and the establishment churches all start pontificating against Racism. And then they start putting together the RICO procedures.
The end result is that any property owned by the White church or its ministers is forfeit, and everyone else in the congregation is either bankrupted or jailed as part of a “criminal organization.”
The next phase is to justify the passing of outright Hate Speech or Thoughtcrimes laws to make that sure nobody else thinks it, let alone tries it.
You did a Racism, Reverend. That’ll be thirty years in the pokey, Parson.
Some have suggested that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints were on the verge of losing their tax-exempt status by not allowing “Blacks of African descent” to be ordained to their lay priesthood ─ which is otherwise expected of all faithful and worthy males ─ until the LDS Church Presidency reversed that policy in 1978. This is incorrect. Not even close.
The Mormons were not coerced into doing this in any way and it would not have been successful even if their IRS tax exemption had been somehow revoked. That would be an incredibly high legal bar to hurdle without a new Constitutional Amendment anyway.
The First Amendment mostly keeps the government out of doctrinal issues. You are free to be against Abortion, just not to blow up abortion clinics. Nobody stops you from saying that Abortion or Homosexuality is morally wrong.
But if some congregation started putting “Whites Only” signs up in meeting houses, that would be a whole, ‘nother story.
I support Whites in worshipping how they please, or in keeping their own consciences ─ but I do not personally see how Christianity can help White people. At best you would have to worship at the elbows or the washed feet of Negroes and to keep your racism to yourself, Compadre.
Anything Faith-based by definition does not translate in a wholesome manner to politics. And in the sphere of “knowledge,” the so-called Spirit World is completely non-observable or testable. The non-empirical does not work with the Scientific Method ─ or the study of the natural world stripped of magic and superstition.
Furthermore, the telescopic philanthropy and Universalist “Salvation” peddled by the Afterworldsmen will inevitably lead to an idolatry of non-Whites and a materialized preference for race-mixing. That is the only logical outcome.
And in my opinion, the Latin Rite version that some “Traditionalist” White Nationalists seem to venerate for some reason are among the worst Globalists in this regard. I am not saying that White Christians are not good people.
🙂
Hamburger Today – Forgive me for block-quoting you, but your comment above reminded me so very much of one of your past comments that truly inspired me; so much so, that I keep your words (below) on my computer desktop:
“I’m not a Politeness Nationalist.
I’m not a Fairness Nationalist.
I’m not a Reasonableness Nationalist.
I’m a White Nationalist.
My goal is for everything I do to benefit White people and hurt the enemies of Whites.” — Hamburger Today
^^ You are an inspiration to me, HT . I always get much food for thought from your comments.
P.S. I am a White Nationalist, too!
We already had the perfect synthesis of Christianity and Huwhite nationalism. It was medieval Christianity in Europe. Try telling a knight on a crusade that he worships the Jewish God. You’d probably say a quick goodbye to your head. At least in Europe, white nationalism is unthinkable without a connection to this type of Christianity, at least as long as we live among Gothic cathedrals and castle ruins. I highly recommend that Huwhite nationalists in America read medieval sources – especially the chronicles. I read them until I became a medieval Christian myself.
The Crusaders were looters and mass murders. People seem to forget the Albingensian Crusade was directed solely at White Europeans and was as brutal a totalitarian pogrom as any instituted by Stalin.
Using the Crusaders as model for White Nationalism makes White Nationalism look bad.
My guess is a nun was mean to you in grade school. Cuz that chip on your shoulder is awfully big.
The ad hominem attack is an admission of failure.
Maybe so. But I have five white children and people who want to hang out and mate with me. If you are this acrimonious in real life, You are going to have a hard time spreading the cause because no one is going to want to hang out with you.
I can’t like this yet so here is a comment instead.
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People seem to forget the Albingensian Crusade was directed solely at White Europeans
Indeed. That’s what happens when men are running everything because the women are busy having children until their bodies give out and they die. Or maybe not. Maybe the Albigensian Crusade would have happened without the patriarchy. I kind of doubt it, but unlike other people around here (Antipodean), I understand that causation is notoriously difficult to ascertain. That being the case, a degree of humility is in order when speculating about it, and humility is in very short supply around here.
I sometimes wonder how many of those people actually understood what they were fighting about. I’m fairly certain that I would have been a Gnostic of some sort, as likely as not an Albigensian, if I had lived through the horrors of the plague. Now, wouldn’t it have been better if the adversaries of Albigensianism had decided to love their enemies rather than kill them? Your perfectly justified horror at the Albigensian Crusade vindicates the very Christian ethos you claim to despise, but there it is written on your heart all the same.
You don’t disagree with it so much as you dispute certain applications of it in this or that situation. That is perfectly reasonable, of course. The Golden Rule requires all sorts of ifs, ands, and buts when you’re trying to put it into practice, but that is the business of a philosopher, not a popular street preacher. Unless they are being subjected to relentless guilt propaganda, most people don’t need to be told when they should take their own side. They do that instinctively. They need to be told when to recognize when they’re in the wrong.
https://iep.utm.edu/goldrule/
I don’t see the ‘Christian ethos’ as a product of ‘Christianity’ at all. There was nothing new in ‘Christianity’ that didn’t already exist in the pre-Christian era. Whites struggle with the issues they struggle with because they are White, not just because they are ‘human’.
There are no universal principles, only the distribution of traits tending towards certain behaviors and not others.
Africa (and Detroit) are full of people whose way of life makes absolutely no sense to me. Does that mean I should try to find a ‘rule’ or ‘principle’ that allows me to make sense of them? Is such a ‘rule’ or ‘principle’ even possible? Looking around you can see the effects of trying to get Whites to embrace a ‘rule’ that works for their racial enemies and against the interests of Whites.
The deep struggle for Whites at this point in their history is to care about each other. Any idea – every idea – must be evaluated on the basis of ‘How is this good for Whites?’
As someone who seeks to destroy all traces of Abrahamic thinking and sentiment, I don’t see the need for any permanence or generalization of a particular position. I strive to make sure my thinking is calibrated to the essence of White Nationalism: Whites caring about Whites because they are White and no other reason.
Everything that’s been handed to us by our ancestors should be treated as merely a tool for our racial advancement, nothing more. If ‘Christianity’ once succeeded as a tool, that does not mean that it is succeeding now or that it will always succeed. It doesn’t mean that ‘Christianity’ needs to be destroyed only placed back in the cultural and intellectual and emotional toolbox of our people.
What we need are White warriors – male and female – who can stand amidst the chaos and draw order from it.
I don’t see Christianity ever creating that kind of shamanic character, do you?
I don’t have a problem with women running a lot of things ─ but Bluestockings can be just as (f)rigid and fanatical as any Bolshevik or Puritan. Contrary to (((Second Wave))) Feminism, the fairer sex are not morally superior ─ nor is the reverse the case.
To be bluntly realistic, women have always been drawn to moralistic and charismatic excesses. It wasn’t just the Patriarchy that wanted “witches” burned or hanged, or whatever.
And women are some of the first ones pointing the crooked finger towards the heretic even today ─ also the first to be cowed by any suggestion of social intemperance. They are some of the most immodest sirens of virtue.
I agree that the Albigensians should have been left alone. They probably would have died out anyway ─ like the Shakers did centuries later ─ since they believed that procreation was base and vile.
Ultimately, all the Parfaits can do is set an example of hair shirts or some simulacra thereof, and pray for “endurance to the end” of mortality. Hopefully, the flesh fadeth away fast ─ an ethos fit for slaves.
The Afterworldsmen seldom or never have anything vibrant to offer for a healthy race.
That being said, I am not going to ever tell White people that they can’t be Christians if that is their conscience.
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“ unlike other people around here (Antipodean), I understand that causation is notoriously difficult to ascertain”
Either I have not expressed my views adequately or you have misunderstood me for some reason. In any case you seem to be exhibiting a lamentable and as far as I can tell unwarranted intellectual arrogance in making this “holier than thou” claim, which I might add, lends some credence to my point about the effects of female leadership.
I kind of doubt it, but unlike other people around here (Antipodean), I understand that causation is notoriously difficult to ascertain. That being the case, a degree of humility is in order when speculating about it, and humility is in very short supply around here.
I’m unsure how you’ve decided that I don’t understand the difficulty of ascertaining causation. Does it relate to my comment above in which I said that female leadership has abetted the hostile alien takeover of Western civilization? This is a fairly common view which I also hold but as with all sociological phenomena I’ll readily concede does not admit of definite proof of causation. My own observation of organisations formerly headed by men and now headed by (admittedly liberal) women is that they tend to become consensus driven and generally obedient to diffuse authority (the current thing). If all the women heading these organisations were true patriots naturally things might be somewhat different. That is not generally the case.
I don’t think you are really helping your argument when you make blanket assertions about the superiority of your insight and then accuse the rest of us of lacking humility.
For every Acts 17:26 there’s a Galatians 3:28.
Johnny Do-Something: July 28, 2024 For every Acts 17:26 there’s a Galatians 3:28.
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Ah! Dueling Scriptures, a silly game I don’t play. However, if a Christling insists, I might quote Galatians 4:16 to him from the King James edition of his Bible:
Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?
The simple fact is that I (and many, many others) were not – and are not – greatly moved by Christian supernatural beliefs. As a pragmatist, if Catholic Social Teaching created an economic system that was conducive to White flourishing, I’d accept that part of Catholicism.
But I still wouldn’t accept that ‘Christianity’ is ‘true’ and ‘universal’.
‘Universal morality’ is a hoax. It’s simply a projection of certain White values onto the universe. A complete confusion of ‘the Ought’ and ‘the Is’ designed to confuse the gullible.
Christians within White Nationalism keep trying to sell ‘Christianity’ to White Nationalists because they have utterly failed to sell ‘White Nationalism’ to Christians.
The United States – and only certain parts of the United States – have a strong connection to ‘Christianity’. In the rest of the White World, ‘Christianity’ is largely irrelevant as a set of supernatural beliefs.
Lastly, Christians insist on the conceit that ‘without Christianity’ the White race would act like a bunch of niggers. This is nonsense. Christianity destroyed more good, White morality than it ever created. It introduced the conniving parasitism of the priesthood and the Papacy. The monasteries perfected beer. That’s the only decent thing to ever come out of the Church of the West. All the other ‘morality’ comes straight from our genetics and existed long, long before ‘Christianity’ every infested the Whites of Europe.
Wherever Christianity has had the upper hand over the populace it has exploited them.
White Nationalism offers a much better arrangement than that.
Hamburger Today: July 28, 2024
Christians within White Nationalism keep trying to sell ‘Christianity’ to White Nationalists because they have utterly failed to sell ‘White Nationalism’ to Christians.
A near perfect word grenade, HT. Too long for a bumper sticker, but would look nice done in needlepoint, framed under glass.
Brother-Argyle said ‘You summed up my point exactly. There’s like 75 WN’s in the US and 3/4 of them are kinda dicks that no one wants to hang out with.’
First, I didn’t sum up your ‘point’ at all. That’s just self-comforting on your part.
And if ‘WN’s’ don’t matter, why are you here on one of our premier websites?
Also, there are far more than 75 ‘hard core’ White Nationalists in the US. Lot’s more.
If there were only 75 of us, the jews wouldn’t be trying to join ‘the Right’ in order to defuse White Nationalism.
You’re clearly trying to draw out this argument longer than is necessary. You also clearly don’t understand hyperbole and sarcasm. So I will just leave you with this. I am incredibly happy, have a large white family, and plan on staying that way and watching my white descendants Flourish in this land. All while believing in Christ. Since that clearly makes you angry for some reason, I don’t know how to help you and I bid you a good day, sir.
It’s not that I ‘don’t understand’, it’s that you don’t have any arguments to understand. All of your responses have just been ad hominem attacks as if your personal authority carried any weight with me. It does not.
If I have ‘nationalism’ (including ‘White Nationalism’) I don’t need ‘Christianity’. This is why the attempt to merge ‘Christianity’ with ‘Nationalism’ cannot succeed. ‘Christianity’ isn’t a people it’s just a collection of ‘propositions’.
The reason that ‘Christians’ cannot embrace ‘White Nationalism’ without ‘Christianizing’ it is because their supernatural beliefs matter more to them than living, breathing White people.
There’s no reason for Christians to proselytize among White Nationalists when they haven’t even succeeded in converting their co-religionists to ‘Christian White Nationalism’.
Now you’re just starting to look sad. Maybe go outside?
Now you’ve just failed entirely.
Yes. I’ve failed. I’m so disappointed with myself. I’m going to enjoy my incredibly fulfilling life with my large white family and my God while you enjoy your dopamine rush for thinking you’ve won an argument in the comments section. I tip my hat to your achievement sir. Well done. May your victory be hailed through the ages. Three Cheers for Hamburger Today! Hurrah. Hurrah. Hurrah.
I blew off Christianity decades ago and have never regretted it. My race is my religion. Never more will I have to twist myself into knots and expend emotional energy in order to reconcile weird, irreconcilable contradictions. More than that, I believe anyone who tells me to love my enemy is my enemy.
That being said, there are a lot of Christians who are good pro-white people and I bear them no ill will. We will have to toil and fight along side Christians who are good people for a long time to come, even as many of us wish the slave religion. I believe Christianity will become increasingly irrelevant. Too many weird contradictions. The law of survival will prevail I think. At least I hope.
The question of a national church came up on a recent podcast, and I’ve been meaning to comment on that issue. I’ll do so here, since we’re arguing about religion, anyway. The suggestion was that a state-funded church would remain free to teach the true Gospel rather than pander to the least common denominator in order to survive. I don’t have a settled position on the issue, but I am inclined to support the idea of a national church, for the following reasons:
I. Unity
The Medieval Church tried to prevent splintering by defining doctrine and insisting that everyone agree with them about everything all the time. This, of course, had exactly the opposite effect to what was intended.
Consider the case of a favorite Church Father of mine, Origen. He taught the doctrine of universal salvation, not potential universal salvation, but rather actual universal salvation, of all humanity and even the Devil himself. (Luke 15: 8-10) The Church has since ruled this out, but concedes that Christians can pray for the eventuality of universal salvation.
So was Origen a heretic? No, because you can’t be a heretic for dissenting from a dogma that has not yet been established by the Magisterium. In other words, the Medieval Church created heretics by way of ex cathedra magisterial pronouncements, and then tortured people to death for refusing to recant sincerely held beliefs according to their own conscience.
Seriously, WTAF? So, what’s the alternative? A good Queen who recognizes it is not her job to “peer into men’s souls.” The Anglican Church may not be a paragon of theological purity and consistency, but that’s a feature not a bug. It makes for a big tent.
Hopefully, the Anglican Church can recover from the attempted assassination by Richard Dawkins, a pathetic coward who takes potshots at youtube lightweights but conveniently declines when brainy Christian apologists suggest a friendly debate, and all his co-conspirators.
It’s like this. I think this is fun as hell. Indeed, one of the most horrifying realizations that hit me like a ton of bricks when I was coming around to WN was that, in the not-too-distant future, there won’t be any more White people around to argue about the existence of God, or, if you prefer, life, the universe, and everything. The lights will go out on a quest of 2500+ years. I can’t bear the thought of it.
II. Survival
Every time a Church closes, people have to drive that much further to get to a church whose teachings accord with their own beliefs as much as possible. Many will not do this, leading to a death spiral among brick-and-mortar churches. Wealthy pedophiles can make themselves indispensable to the survival of struggling churches. Though predators are but a tiny percentage of the population, they are prolific and they victimize and destroy the lives of many children. Scandal will destroy the faith of many people, who understandably attribute this horrific corruption to Christianity itself, threatening the survival of the alternative institutions that I referenced elsewhere in this thread. State funding would ensure that a church is not tempted to look the other way when accusations are made against opportunistic predators with deep pockets.
I know many readers would love to see the end of Christianity. I find this very strange. I certainly understand their impatience with Whites who seem not to notice that our race is faced with a dire emergency, but what happens when the emergency is over and life goes back to normal?
Your race is not your religion, and it cannot be that. WN is not a way of life, a comprehensive worldview, or anything of the sort. It is common sense. White people shouldn’t have to think about the survival of their race. We should be able to argue about the existence of God and the practicality of the Golden Rule for the next thousand years, secure in the knowledge that we are ruled by an elite that takes it for granted that we have a right to be us, and only we can be us (the 13 words).
III. PR
Since many WN have such deep misgivings about Christianity, maybe a degree of state involvement will reassure that that we’re not plotting against the state or having orgies or cannibal barbecues or whatever else it is they think we’re doing.
White Nationalism is a religion, because ‘religion’ is ‘that which binds a people to itself’. It has nothing to do with supernatural beliefs or supernatural speculations. This is not to say that ‘supernatural’ experiences or impressions do not occur or are not important. What I am saying is that supernatural beliefs cannot be the focus of a functioning White Nationalism in fact. I have my ‘supernatural beliefs’ and you have yours. But they’re not important compared to our both being White and our concern about the future for White people. It’s the prioritizing of supernatural beliefs over concrete matters related to White life that is of great concern.
Your description of what is happening external to the churches to ‘feed the souls of the faithful’ is interesting, but I cannot help but think that the ‘CPU cycles’ expended on trying to make ‘Christian’ beliefs tenable to intelligent Whites might be better spent on other problems.
I’m not a fan of Dawkins. It’s obvious there’s an ‘order’ to things that isn’t identical with ‘things’ themselves. If you want to call it ‘God’, that’s fine with me. If I want to call it ‘fas‘ or ‘tao’, that should be fine with you.
As a pragmatist, beliefs matter to me to the extent they are reflected in behavior.
I don’t care what you think or believe. I care what that thinking or believing makes you do to and for Whites.
Your best remarks so far on this thread, HT.
White Nationalism is a religion, because ‘religion’ is ‘that which binds a people to itself’.
Ok. If you want to call it a religion, that’s fine. Just know that White people are going to want religion in the ordinary sense of the word as well. Better yet, “senses” of the word. As I hinted at upthread, different people want different things from religion. Some are seeking illumination, some are seeking self-improvement, and some are seeking comfort. Plato would call these gold, silver, and bronze souls, respectively, though of course the implied value judgments there are highly debatable and to some extent, we’re all seeking all three of these, because we are all complete human beings who pass through different phases of life.
People who call Christianity a “slave religion” seem particularly obtuse in this regard. Obviously, the oppressed are more in need of comfort than the nonoppressed, but even the latter are not immune to suffering. All the wealth and power in the world will not revive an adult child who has overdosed on fentanyl. We want a more perfect union than the one we have now, but tragedy will always be with us.
I cannot help but think that the ‘CPU cycles’ expended on trying to make ‘Christian’ beliefs tenable to intelligent Whites might be better spent on other problems.
I assure you, people aren’t wasting CPU cycles trying to make Christianity “tenable to intelligent Whites.” They are trying to make Christianity tenable to themselves, because they hate being atheists, and they have found the alternatives unacceptable for one reason or another. Then, they tell unhappy atheists who are interested about how they recovered their faith.
Your problem is that you don’t understand the difference between apologetics and evangelism. Hence, your belief that Christians are proselytizing to WN. I know you’re not interested in learning Christian terminology, because you said so upthread, so I’ll be brief. Apologetics is defensive. The point is to articulate your own reasons for believing and/or practicing Christianity, not to persuade others to do likewise. It might sound like I’m splitting hairs, but it’s completely unreasonable to attack Christianity as irrational, inherently anti-White or whatever, and then complain when we defend it.
I don’t care what you think or believe.
You could have fooled me.
I care what that thinking or believing makes you do to and for Whites.
But here you are again making an issue of my beliefs. If I am harming other Whites, what difference does it make whether I am doing so because I’m a Christian or for some other reason? It’s as though anti-White behavior that results from greed is somehow less harmful than anti-White behavior that results from pathological altruism. Or that, regardless of objective harm, there is something more particularly reprehensible about a person who harms Whites because of unbalanced universalism than a person who harms Whites because of unbalanced individualism.
Note that this is exactly how the anti-White Left constructs an alternate reality. Black violence against Whites is an understandable expression of black rage. Much rarer White violence against blacks is motivated by “hate” or “white supremacy” or something. And voila. Blacks are morally superior to Whites quite regardless of overt behavior.
I don’t see a difference between ‘apologetics’ and ‘evangelism’ because apologetic done in public simply is ‘meta-evangelism’. There’s no reason to do ‘apologetics’ in public except to get ‘non-believers’ to ‘hear the good word’.
The fact that people want supernatural beliefs for various reasons is a very good point. But it is also one of the reasons why White Nationalism should not engage with such things in any substantive way. White Nationalism needs to be about our people, their survival and advancement.
The simple fact is that there are various religions in the world and each of them purport to represent ‘ultimate reality’ and some form of ‘salvation’ to those who struggle with manifest existence.
And, as you point out, such struggles are not limited to those who are exploited (‘the meek’) or those who do the exploiting.
But White Nationalism doesn’t exist to solve those kinds of problems. Those kinds of problems are – in my view – sub-racial (or non-racial). The conceit of Christianity (and all Abrahamic religions) is that there is a ‘one size fits all’ solution to ‘existential’ problems.
I believe White people should embrace White Nationalism as their ‘religion’ because every White person who embraces any other reason to bind with other Whites will eventually be bent to attacking Whites for some reason or another.
Personally, I found embracing White Nationalism as clarifying. And clarity in the present has much more value to me than some kind of ‘salvation’ at some later date.
What’s obvious to me (and I’m referencing Jim Goad here) is that if Whites can find a reason not to support each other, they will not support each other.
I think the reason why Christians struggle with White Nationalism as a religion is because they recognize that one ‘cannot serve two masters’ and, if pressed, Christians will advance Christian interests rather than White interests. I’d like to think I’m wrong but 2000 years of Christians murdering each other ‘in the name of the Lord’ doesn’t give me much reason to think I am.
If you want, direct message me at either Substack or Gab. In both places I’m ‘Hamburger Today’.
I don’t see a difference between ‘apologetics’ and ‘evangelism’ because apologetic done in public simply is ‘meta-evangelism’. There’s no reason to do ‘apologetics’ in public except to get ‘non-believers’ to ‘hear the good word’.
I just told you the reason: To get anti-Christians to stop calling us irrational, stupid, subversive, etc. If you don’t want to hear my defense, don’t attack.
White Nationalism needs to be about our people, their survival and advancement.
I agree with you completely, so why are you bashing Christianity?
What’s obvious to me (and I’m referencing Jim Goad here) is that if Whites can find a reason not to support each other, they will not support each other.
And your conduct is a case in point.
I think the reason why Christians struggle with White Nationalism as a religion is because they recognize that one ‘cannot serve two masters’ and, if pressed, Christians will advance Christian interests rather than White interests. I’d like to think I’m wrong but 2000 years of Christians murdering each other ‘in the name of the Lord’ doesn’t give me much reason to think I am.
Christians don’t struggle with White Nationalism. You struggle with the fact that Christians don’t struggle with WN despite what you believe is some sort of contradiction between the two.
What “Christian interests” are you talking about? You claim here that Christians have a history of murdering each other in the name of the Lord, and I can certainly understand how you would think that. Personally, I’m not so sure about that. If religion exists, people will use it to justify all sorts of atrocities. They sort of have to. To ascertain how much of this violence was actually caused by religion, rather than merely justified by it, you’d have to rewind the clock and run an experiment.
Even if all violence justified by Christianity was also caused by Christianity, an untenable claim IMO, your eliminationist stance would still be unwarranted. We don’t have to throw the baby out with the bathwater. As I alluded to above, I personally have universalist inclinations, in the soteriological (not political) sense. The doctrine of eternal conscious torment in hell causes all sorts of mischief, and is, fortunately, on the way out. That will lower the stakes and turn down the temperature quite a bit. You can justify almost anything to save souls from an eternity in hell.
If you want, direct message me at either Substack or Gab. In both places I’m ‘Hamburger Today’.
I don’t see any reason do that, because I don’t have any problem with you, personally. This is an issue that needs to be hashed out in public.
I wanted to move to another venue/comment system because C-C’s isn’t very robust. Which is why I’m posting a response to a comment that I’ve already responded to.
I’d like to turn the temperature down on this dialog.
I apologize.
You’re pro-White. I’m pro-White.
Let there be comity between us.
Watching old films, I contend, is of far greater instruction and inspiration for White Nationalists than most any form of church-going. Church is, at best, for socializing and marking holidays or life events.
But old films, say from the 1940s and ’50s, give us a view of how White society rightly functions, up from the granular level, in our sense of good will, fellowship, and commonality with other Whites. I’m not talking about nostalgia; more like deprogramming of the current anti-White milieu. These works of art show White people who don’t hate themselves, their ancestors or their posterity. Men and women appreciate each other. Their clothes and furnishings are produced domestically, which is next-best to hand-made. Their food is good because grown locally and prepared at home or at locally-owned eateries. They are healthy because they walk around and talk to the other White people around their neighborhood and workplace. They enjoy architecture and decor. They dress well because good grooming is a morale boost for themselves and those around them. They like mystery and adventure, but they aren’t in thrall to the alien and weird. They seek order and quality of life and aren’t afraid of hard work. They are lively, brisk, attentive, inventive, determined, wholesome, possessed of equanimity and a good sense of humor, and considerate. Their morality is attuned more to matters of right and wrong than good and evil. They read books and magazines and write letters. They have memories. Politicians may feature regularly in the stories, but partisan politics and religion don’t play major roles in their lives and don’t tear the social fabric. Singing and dancing are more important.
So, I suggest twenty years of the Silver Screen offers more insight into the question of who we are than Christianity has in 2000 years.
White Nationalism is a religion, because ‘religion’ is ‘that which binds a people to itself’.
Nonsense. That is not in the least what my Christian parents or family believed. Where do you get this stuff? Christians believe that God exists wholly external to man; is a person (in fact a Trinity – three ‘consubstantial’ persons); and that Christianity is the doctrine of those who worship and seek to follow Christ. You can reject these concepts (eg, claiming that there is no “God”), but please don’t tell Christians they believe something they don’t.
‘Christians’ are a ‘propositional people’. Their ‘religion’ is defined by the supernatural propositions they espouse. That’s exactly what you did here. But nothing you’ve said negates my observation that ‘religion’ is ‘that which binds a people to themselves’. In fact, you’ve provided the evidence that in order to be part of your ‘religion’ people need to believe those specific things you believe. What I’m saying is that White Nationalism is a ‘religion’ in exactly the same way your ‘Christianity’ is a ‘religion’. The difference is that White Nationalism doesn’t require that you define your ‘people’ on the basis of specific beliefs about the supernatural. Instead, White Nationalists accept that they are bound to the White race by virtue of birth and inheritance and that the first task of every White Nationalist is to care about Whites because they are White. Not because they are ‘Christian’ or ‘right-wing’ or ‘anti-Semitic’.
John: July 29, 2024 Hamburger Today, We are 100+ million & we can’t even have our own community! How pathetic… There is no problem we can’t solve. We need to put our heads together…
John, some of us have already put our heads together and have carefully been building our own exclusive physical community made up of determined like-minded pro-White citizens working together. It helps that our model community is in a precinct that is already nearly 100% White.
Our community is not virtual like other groups who simply do podcasts and offer articles on their Websites where supporters, mostly anonymous, comment, maybe send the site owners some money from time to time. That is not effectively organizing our people for the long term.
Our top tier writer, Douglas Mercer wrote these words earlier this month, here: The Vessel” at nationalVanguard.org:
…[T]he impulse to separate, to keep oneself pure, is a noble one; and the National Alliance has first and foremost kept its thought pure with its book Cosmotheism: Religion of the Future and its other equally uncompromising publications; it is building this separate community, and building a library dedicated to its founder and its ideals; it is a community dedicated to keeping the White race pure, and keeping it separate.
Any hope for the future depends upon us being thus separate — in more ways than one; the world today is addicted to its phones and its money and its greed, and is mired in corruption; it has no culture to speak of; it is steeped in immorality and degeneration and degradation; its rulers are vampires and bloodsuckers when they are not inept stooges; it is a world with no beliefs other than “lifestyles” or “comfort” — a fake world of the Potemkin Village. It preaches a weak form of “love and tolerance” and has race-mixing as its credo. It has no purpose and no goal, other than political or economic domination; as such, it is a desecration of our lovely blue Earth.
Unlike all previous Utopias or intentional communities the National Alliance community is bound to succeed; the blood is pure, and the thinking is pure. And it has aligned itself correctly with the cosmos and the Creator of the cosmos; when the time is right and ripe, this perfect confluence will bear its fruit.
Indeed, so rotten is the world from which we have separated ourselves, it will collapse from within, having no vision and no goal except to produce more and more trash of all kinds.
As such, the National Alliance is uniquely positioned to be the inheritor of the Earth and to achieve the only thing that matters in the end: victory. That is the eternal flame that has been burning brightly since our people first fanned out across the world, since our great artists and thinkers and explorers and leaders imprinted themselves on the Earth, this one and only true fire, the fire that belongs to us and our god, is in the best hands possible. We have not forgot it and we have not failed it; and the future will one day be wide open…
The National Alliance is not for all Whites, but for a minority of a minority who are seeking an uncompromising, wholesome community, and are inspired by Mr. Mercer’s words to feel that there actually is one. “What is the National Alliance?” at natall.com.
Lady Strange: July 28, 2024 I liked to read Faith and Heritage, even if I think that Christianism never had the doctrinal capacity to be used as a basis for racial preservation… In fact, you can find everything and it’s contrary in the Bible concerning the races… It was sad when Faith and Heritage ceased to exist.
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Thanks, Lady. I’ve never heard of the book or the blog called Faith and Heritage, but assume it’s Christian. In searching for F&H there seems to have a connection to British Israelism and Christian Identity — an ideology incredibly opposed to my own, so I’m not saddened that it ceased to exist.
WikiJews,, of course, define Christian Identity as a white (sic) supremacist ideology since those who style themselves Identists criticize Jews. They believe, according to Wiki:
…[T]hat the serpent in the story of the Fall was not a reptile, but the Devil himself, that the seedline of Cain came through a union of Satan (the serpent) and Eve, and that the Jews were descended from this unholy line and thus had a natural propensity for evil.[16]
So, Identists believe that Jews are the product of the union between Eve and the serpent in the Garden of Eden. Really? That is strange. When I have time I’ll try to read Gregory Hood’s essay “Why Christianity Can’t Save Us.”
John: July 30, 2024 Cosmotheism is the religion of upward evolution. Cosmotheism is the religion of European Peoples & its Civilization. Cosmotheism is the religion of reality and science. Cosmotheism is the religion of God — the real God, whose true words are mathematics, physics, and genetics.
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Thanks for that, John. Anyone interested in more about Cosmotheism might like to get the recently published Bible: “Cosmotheism: Religion of the Future by William Pierce” at cosmotheistchurch.org
“Deep inside all of us, in our race-soul, there is a source of divine wisdom, of ages-old wisdom, of wisdom as old as the Universe. That is the wisdom, the truth, of Cosmotheism. It is a truth of which most of us have been largely unconscious all our lives, but which now we have the opportunity to understand clearly and precisely.”
Thus William Pierce bids men and women of European race to understand ourselves and our purpose.
Dr. William Luther Pierce’s Cosmotheism is not a revealed religion, but is instead what he called a natural religion: It rejects all of the claimed supernatural “revelations” which find their way onto shining golden plates or ancient scrolls, instead having its basis in the realities of Nature that our eyes — and the investigations of science — have confirmed. In the drama of the evolution of life from non-living matter, and of higher and more conscious beings from lower forms of life, William Pierce sees a path of purpose and destiny for us…
John wrote ‘We are 100+ million & we can’t even have our own community! How pathetic.’
This is a very emotional way of looking at the situation. Facts are facts. If we want change them, we have to create and implement a plan. In my view, the best plan isn’t public and the execution of the plan involves no fanfare about ‘White separatism’ or anything else.
BTW, there are a number of ‘intentional communities’ out there. One is described by Will Williams in his response to you. There are others in the Pacific Northwest and in the Ozarks.
‘Our enemies are the hard-targets as they are the ones attacking our unity for the betterment of our people. And so, they have exposed themselves for all to see.’
Or enemies offer hard targets because they know they can exploit any attack on them and we cannot. White ‘activists’ have a long history of making it harder (much harder) for White activism due to the (unbelievably counterproductive) use of violence.
The world isn’t fair. We have to play the game with the resources we have and that we’re likely to acquire in the near future. There’s no advantage to making ‘White activism’ look bad through violence. Simply accept that our enemies have outmaneuvered us in a variety of ways and move on from there. My recommendation is to play on the natural anarchism of White Middle American and become agents of nullification and separatism. The advantage with such an approach is that you will really see who our enemies are. There are weaknesses in to this approach, but only if Whites do not use it to their advantage when opportunities present.
‘It’s not what our enemies do it’s what we don’t do as we sit around…’
I respectfully disagree. The failing of the pro-White movement in the past have been precisely what ‘White activists’ did do that was counterproductive.
That’s not to say we should do nothing, it’s only to say that too many Concerned Whites have been in too much of hurry and tried to come at the solutions to our problems directly instead of indirectly.
‘[A]s our children become a minority with each passing day.’
The ‘minoritization’ and dispossession of Whites is an accomplished fact. What we do with that reality will determine whether our White children have White Future worth living. And I think the path to that future lies in submitting the Federal Entity to ‘the death of a thousand cuts’ by smart Whites who slowly make areas of the US untenable for federal authorities. And the way to do this is to build up the infrastructure of nullification (precious metals banking, ‘Don’t tread on me’ candidates).
Anyone who does anything the Federal Entity does not like will be called a ‘racist’. The simplest way to defuse this charge in public is to accept it and focus on issues that Whites care about other than race. So, when being called a ‘racist’ the right response is ‘Perhaps. Or perhaps you are. Either way, the issue is X, not ‘racism’.’
‘There is no problem we can’t solve.’
I agree. And that’s how we ought to look at it, not as a ‘moral’ or emotional issue.
Hamburger Today: July 30, 2024 …In my view, the best plan [for building exclusive White communities] involves no fanfare about ‘White separatism’ or anything else.
BTW, there are a number of ‘intentional communities’ out there. One is described by Will Williams in his response to you. There are others in the Pacific Northwest and in the Ozarks.
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Thanks for the nod, HT. I’m interested in any plan to build exclusive White communities so we can compare them. I’m familiar with the one I’ve explained a little about here because I live in it. It’s not “public.” but it certainly is White separatist and exclusive without fanfare.
What are those others you mention? Is the Pacific Northwest one Harold Covington’s NorthWestFront (NWF) by chance. Thankfully, that fraud died with Covington in 2018. You must be referring to another community. Perhaps one that is Christian nationalist. Pastor Richard Butler’s Church of Jesus Christ Christian had the Northwest Territorial Imperative, but it was destroyed by the SPLC — that’s when Covington tried to revive NTI as his NWF scam (see WikiJew entry for that).
The Ozarks community you mention, is that the Harrison Arkansas KKK group? If not, please tell me so I can compare it to our National Alliance’s Southern Appalachian community. The Ozarks region is generally located in Arkansas and Missouri.
Our SPLC hate watchdogs tell us this: “Law Center: 22 hate, patriot, militia groups in Ozarks” at news-leader.com. SPLC’s “intelligence” is a little outdated now but perhaps the White Ozarks community(s) you have in mind are on the SPLC’s “hate Map”?
According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, in Montgomery, Ala., there were 22 hate, patriot or militia groups active in the Ozarks in 2013.
Being on the list does not mean a group advocates or engages in violence.
The law center reviews publications, websites, citizen and law enforcement reports, news items and uses people in the field to track groups and determine if they are active.
Hate group activities include criminal acts, marches, rallies, speeches, meetings, leafleting or publishing.
Websites that appear to be the work of a single individual, rather than a group, are not included on the list. The law center identified 939 active hate groups in 2013 in the United States, of which 23 were in Missouri. That puts the state tied with Illinois for the 14th highest number of groups. Arkansas has 24 and is ranked 13th… blah, blah, blah!
So, of the 47 alleged “hate groups” in Missouri and Arkansas, 22 of them are considered to be in the Ozarks. One hate group that was located in West Virginia got too successful, so the SPLC, using the courts, destroyed it. Read about that here: “Editor’s Update” at counter-currents.com
I was, in fact, thinking of the remnants of the Northwest Front. The other one’s I’m thinking of is Billy Roper’s promotion of ‘Ozarkia’ independent of his CI operations and the ShieldWall Network. ‘JohnYoungE’ over on Gab seems to have been working on a completely sub rosa pro-White political-economic zone.
As I’m sure you know, all ‘white flight’ is an attempt to ‘unconsciously’ create White spaces. Whites want White spaces.
I also want to make clear what I mean by ‘public’. The facility that NA/CoC runs is ‘public’ in the sense that the NA/CoC is relatively open about its existence and its purposes. Others, like NWF remain open as to their purposes, but more circumspect about the specifics of location and participation. Roper’s Ozarkia concept is very similar to the Butler Plan but in the Ozarks rather than the Pacific Northwest. However, ‘Ozarkia’ is also more free-form. If you’re White, just show up and start being White in one of the Whitest parts of the country.
I think that, in general, the Concerned Whites who make up (and have made up) the amorphous ‘pro-White movement’ are impatient for solutions without an understanding of how constrained our options actually are. But ‘constrained’ is not the same as ‘no options at all’.
It is my view that the pro-White movement is just getting started. It’s slowly moving beyond the Left/Right spectrum and moving towards an ‘interests-based’ political-economic view. When one finds (as I have recently encountered on Substack) Bitcoin Maximalists appealing specifically to Whites in their descriptions of a ‘Bitcoin Future’ (alternatively ‘a future without central banking’), it’s hard not to think that we’re ‘winning’. But I think what we’re seeing is just the first intimations of what is to come.
Concerned Whites vary in their ability to invest in ‘White spaces’ and so I think that having different ‘investment opportunities’ is the best approach. ‘Ozarkia’ is kind of a ‘show up and be a Useful Pro-White Person’ is very different from the kinds of commitment NA/CoC requires of its participants.
The mental model I like to use of where we are right now in the pro-White movement is that of ‘killer waves’. These are naturally-occurring waves of such massive size that they destroy tankers and cargo ships. They are the result of millions of waves slowly converging. Excitable Whites keep thinking the ‘big wave’ they’re seeing is the Big One. But it’s not. When the Big One comes – when there is a phase shift in the respectability and power of ‘pro-White’ views and attitudes – nothing will remain the same.
Until then, all the different parts of the pro-White movement need to just keep ‘doing their thing’ and feeding ripples into the ocean of White consciousness.
Hamburger Today: July 31, 2024 I was, in fact, thinking of the remnants of the Northwest Front. The other one’s I’m thinking of is Billy Roper’s promotion of ‘Ozarkia’ independent of his CI operations and the ShieldWall Network. ‘JohnYoungE’ over on Gab seems to have been working on a completely sub rosa pro-White political-economic zone.
Your examples of intentional White communities besides the National Alliance’s are weak, but make sense under this topic on Christian nationalism.
GAB is 100% Christian nationalist for sure. The so-called remnants of the well-documented fraud Harold Covington NWF scam are non-existent, and Billy Roper’s Ozarks plan, whatever it is, will certainly be grounded in Christian Identity, so you are dead wrong to compare and lump those three weak examples in with our Alliance’s real-world, brick and mortar community.
You say NA’s is “public,” but only to the extent one can learn a little about it in our online magazine, like here, with bits and pieces from our monthly National Alliance members BULLETIN from five years ago: “Progress: The William Luther Pierce Memorial Library and Research Center” at nationalvanguard.org
Dr. Pierce first visualized what our communities would be like 50 years ago, here, and it is not Christian nationalist: “Frequently Asked Questions about the Cosmotheist Community Church” at nationalvanguard.org
I hear the Odinists’ Asatru outfit and spin-offs, are attempting to build a community or maybe several, More power to them. But how will they stand up to the Jews with their Odinist beliefs? I also hear they have run into some serious difficulties. Maybe you can enlighten us.
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I also want to make clear what I mean by ‘public’. The facility (sic) that NA/CoC runs is ‘public’ in the sense that the NA/CoC is relatively open about its existence and its purposes. Others, like NWF remain open as to their purposes, but more circumspect about the specifics of location and participation. Roper’s Ozarkia concept is very similar to the Butler Plan but in the Ozarks rather than the Pacific Northwest. However, ‘Ozarkia’ is also more free-form. If you’re White, just show up and start being White in one of the Whitest parts of the country…
When one finds (as I have recently encountered on Substack) Bitcoin Maximalists appealing specifically to Whites in their descriptions of a ‘Bitcoin Future’…
[Free-form] ‘Ozarkia’ is kind of a ‘show up and be a Useful Pro-White Person’ is very different from the kinds of commitment NA/CoC requires of its participants…
That highlighted portion of your ignorant appraisal of exclusively White community-building could be your overstated misrepresentation of the year, HT. “Show up and be useful”? Really? A Bitcoin community? You are kidding, right? Mr. Torba’s “Christ is King” community? Go for that one if you worship Yahweh.
I see that Covington’s “circumspect” NWF plan is still online, though his “remnants” have not updated it for a couple of years: “White Book 6th Edition 2022.pdf” at northwestfront.info.
…The NF is the foremost group working within the racially responsible community for the creation of a Homeland, although there are other affinity groups and circles working toward the same goal, some of them predating the Northwest Front. The NF is centered around the moral and practical principles found in the Northwest independence novels of H. A. Covington, but these books are not considered to be some kind of holy writ… There is no one central group or leader advocating White migration to the Pacific Northwest, nor should there be. One head is too easy for our racial enemies to cut off…
NF was never a community but an imaginary migration into the liberal Seattle, Washington, where Covington was holed up in his apartment, penning “moral principles” into his fiction. Racial enemies didn’t have to cut Covington’s head off. Once he died his NWF scam died with him.
This kind of caustic dismissal of other approaches to achieving the same goal is, in my view, not helpful.
I don’t see that any group that is openly and exclusively pro-White that has advanced very far toward the goal of a self-sustaining pro-White community. But I do think that various groups are working towards making their locales safer for Whites and pro-Whites.
As for you condemnation of ‘just show up and be White’ as insufficient, it is at least a foundation for something to come.
NA/CoC has survived so far (and I hope continue to do so), but VDARE was just pounded into nothing without a single charge being filed.
As I have said elsewhere, if you give our enemy a clear target, they will target it.
As for NF being a ‘fraud’, I think that’s unfair. It failed, but does that make it fraud.
It is my sense that more Whites are increasingly aware that being White makes them a target and that ‘the authorities’ are facilitating their cultural and economic dispossession.
We need – and should accept – a broader approach to ‘pro-White’ as long as the foundation of the movement remains ‘Whites caring about Whites because they are White and for no other reason’.
Hamburger Today: August 2, 2024 This kind of caustic dismissal of other approaches to achieving the same goal is, in my view, not helpful.
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That’s your view, Hamburger, and that’s OK.
My job is to critically compare every group claiming to lead our race to my own group, the National Alliance. I know what to look for. No offense intended, but you do not show much of a basis for making group comparisons from what I see.
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…VDARE was just pounded into nothing without a single charge being filed.
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Not so. VDARE, that could have loosely been described as a Christian nationalist group, was charged by the grotesque New York AG, Negress Letitia James, with considerable help from the SPLC. See this recent boast: “What We Know About the VDARE Legal Situation That They Say ‘Finished’ Them” at splcenter.org
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As I have said elsewhere, if you give our enemy a clear target, they will target it. As for NF being a ‘fraud’, I think that’s unfair. It failed, but does that make it fraud.
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I name our enemy and he names me, I do not fear him. For some reason, perhaps because you haven’t given him a clear enough target, I have a feeling that my enemy has not yet targeted Hamburger Today.
I know firsthand that Harold Covington was not only a fraud, but arguably the foremost smear artist and political saboteur to ever claim to be a White leader. Caustic is too mild an adjective to describe him. He sued me and Ben Klassen for libel in 1989 but everything we had written about the SOB was true — and truth, after all, is the best defense against a charge of defamation, so he dropped his case.
7 years later I sued him for libel after he had foolishly put in writing to third parties that I was a “deep cover FBI Special Agent”‘ who had infiltrated the pro-White cause and, among other deeds, had been “Tim McVeigh’s handler.” Imagine that. I was awarded a large judgment, and he ended up owing me a quarter million dollars before I finally forced a settlement. He never informed his NF suckers about that or that he’d declared bankruptcy to avoid my pesky judgment. I showed that we can successfully prevail in the courts just like the Jewish <cough!> “law center (and without their ill-gotten, tax exempt $700-plus million war chest).”
Now that you mention it, I do remember Covington running his mouth on Usenet, accusing one of his opponents of being McVeigh’s second accomplice. From this sort of thing, I got a general idea that Covington seemed to be a loose cannon on deck.
Beau Albrecht: August 3, 2024 Now that you mention it, I do remember Covington running his mouth on Usenet, accusing one of his opponents of being McVeigh’s second accomplice. From this sort of thing, I got a general idea that Covington seemed to be a loose cannon on deck.
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Long time no see, Beau. That would have been 30 years ago, before our use of the ‘Net really took off. Covington was running his CNC (Confederate National Congress) scam back then. I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that there are fans of Covington’s fiction who believe that CNC “community” remnants exist somewhere today.
My defamation suit ran him “off deck” and on the run for another 16 years or so, but he still managed to have gullible fans who wanted to believe he was legitimate for no other reason than that he had an inscrutable ability to turn an outrageous phrase while lying through his yellow teeth — with the aid, I might add, of the “powers that be” then who could have reeled him in, but chose not to.
Some fans of the SOB’s fiction apparently still believe to this day that his phony NF “community” is real. Some probably still believe that Ben Klassen was a homosexual Jew who raped young Skinhead boys — one of Covington’s more preposterous, malicious lies.
Christianity is locked in with Judaism in Christs Transfiguration however it was like a transmission of old school to a new dispensation. It may have never happened but the Bible is pretty clever for those who read it from a esoteric view. Rudolf Steiner understood Pagan and even glorified it . Consider his remarks about Justin the Apostate: The He understood the Sun Spirit in its threefold dimension. Christianity is going to have to change and perhaps Goethe,s Archetypes and Schiller’s , I will call it, a state between spirit and matter will be a part of that transformation.
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