Counter-Currents Under AttackGreg Johnson
We must be doing something right. The Southern Poverty Law Center has targeted Counter-Currents for financial destruction. In an article in their Spring 2014 Intelligence Report, the SPLC’s Heidi Beirich reveals that it is actively putting pressure on both Amazon.com, which accounts for a huge percentage of our bookstore sales, and PayPal, which processes a large percentage of our direct sales and donations, to stop doing business with us.
These efforts have been successful in the past: Stormfront and Vanguard News Network are no longer allowed to use PayPal.
As an illustration of metapolitics in action, the groundwork for such attacks was established long ago, no doubt by the SPLC itself or groups like it, which helped PayPal craft its terms of service:
PayPal says that its policy “regarding payments for goods and services that may promote hate, violence, or intolerance” considers the following factors: 1) The promotion or glorification of hate, violence or intolerance because of a person’s race, religion, national origin, ethnicity, gender, disability, or sexual orientation; 2) any graphic portrayal of violence or victims of violence; and 3) previous activity associated with the account holder. It specifically bans the sale of “[i]tems containing Nazi, SS, or Ku Klux Klan symbols, including authentic German WWII memorabilia.”
As for Amazon.com, the SPLC article only mentions our Amazon.com Affiliates program, which allows our supporters to earmark a percentage of the money they spend at Amazon.com to Counter-Currents (at no additional cost to them), simply by using our Amazon.com referral link. (Read more about this program here.) They do not mention Amazon selling Counter-Currents books.
However, any argument against Counter-Currents having an Amazon Affiliate account could also be applied to us selling our own books there. But if the SPLC directly went after our book sales, it might raise the hackles of free speech advocates. So it is better for them to lay the groundwork with the Amazon Affiliates program (which most people find baffling anyway), then go after book distribution.
Suppressing book sales is clearly the SPLC’s main goal anyway, since (1) the SPLC is all about suppressing ideas, not insuring that we no longer get a 7% commission on vegan cookbooks, Bach CDs, and diaper purchases through Amazon, and (2) they telegraph their intentions by mentioning that Amazon does sell John Derbyshire’s Kindle From the Dissident Right.
According to the SPLC:
The Report contacted Amazon in September about the participation of hate groups and hate sites in Amazon programs that earn them commissions. Amazon said it would assign “appropriate teams to investigate, review applicable policies, and take appropriate action” but that it would not give out “information about any action taken.” Three months later, in early December, the Counter-Currents and VDARE hate sites were still earning commissions through Amazon.
There are, of course, other ways to sell books than Amazon. There are, of course, other ways to collect payments than PayPal. But Amazon and PayPal are the biggest and most convenient. If we lost their services, we could find other options. Indeed, we are exploring those options right now.
But losing Amazon and Paypal would cause significant downturns in our income. The losses would be temporary, of course. The danger, though, is that even a temporary downturn could prove disastrous, simply because, like many dissident operations, Counter-Currents has no reserves; we are always running on fumes. I have no savings and no retirement plan. I put everything I had into starting Counter-Currents.
The SPLC won’t stop Counter-Currents. I regard my work as a moral imperative, as an all-consuming quasi-religious duty. And I really don’t have any alternatives anyway. But the SPLC could definitely cripple Counter-Currents. They could bleed it of scare time and money. They could slow its momentum. They could stunt its growth. They could reduce it to just another Right-wing hobby project. That’s what they do. And they have more than $245 million dollars in the bank to show for it. But I’ll still be here, in one form or another, because it is the right thing to do.
If you have been thinking of using PayPal to buy a book or send a donation to Counter-Currents, if you have been thinking of using Amazon.com to buy a Counter-Currents book or anything else through our affiliate link, do it now, while you still can.
Thank you for your loyal readership and support.
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This is terrible. Actually, it really angers me. It’s a very backhanded way of suppressing freedom of speech. They realize this, of course. Amazon and Paypal must also realize this. I find it very sad, however, that many other people might actually still buy into the idea of banning something that supposedly “promotes hate and intolerance.” It’s disgusting.
The SPLC and Co. rely on common people being duped into taking their word about halting “the promotion of hate and intolerance,” etc. Getting people to question the motives behind the SPLC and other watch-dog groups is a cultural, or metapolitical, project. Opinions need to change, ideas need to be countered, and other ideas need to be offered up.
Greg, keep fighting the good fight.
Thanks. I’m not going to get discouraged. I’m just going to get meaner.
Funny how these cuntbags whine about “book burning Nazis” while they themselves basically burn books digitally, and do everything they can to destroy all literature, science, and art that they hate and find dangerous to their wonderful plans for the West.
Then again we can’t blame craterous souls like Heidi Beirich for acting the way they do. They lost the genetic lottery and therefore initiate crusades against everything beautiful and truthful. Hideous Heidi would have made a good little Bolshevik.
They are getting nervous.
But there is along way to go before their power is broken. That is what always gets me, how they always talk about “book burning Nazis.” They are not only the biggest hypocrites, they don’t really have any ideals or beliefs, other than what ever is best for them they will support. And if that means criticizing censorship of websites six months from now, they’ll change their position again.
I assume everyone knows whom I am talking about. Not the Amish.
Yes, the Ecuadorians, naturally. Nasty bunch of people.
It’s only a matter of time before the Jews start aggressively pushing for internet censorship in the name of “civil rights” and “social justice” and “anti-fascism.” And most people will go along with it, because the average White man literally does not know how to think anymore.
The White man used to be on the vanguard of science and free thought. Europe prided itself in its questioning and empiricism. Since 1945 this has all been lost. Today’s White man is a “moral man;” he is a man of belief, not knowledge. This is what the jew, with his total control of media and academia, has turned him into: a slave. The White man of today is nothing more than a moralizing weasel who always puts the interests of his jewish master above himself.
Until Whites rekindle the Roman spirit in them, they will be lost.
I cannot believe that article about Holocaust laws and free speech. How could a professor make such blatant anti-speech statements and not realize his total hypocrisy? This world has gone crazy with Jewish political power that has overtaken logic.
So much for the marketplace of ideas.
I predict more such attacks, and more fundamental ones, are ahead. That the www itself is still as relatively “free” as it is is a miracle of some size.
I hope that all involved with CC will be planning alternative methods and contingency plans for the future. The path through the www may be pulled away some day, and it will be back to the “bad old days” of mailed newsletters. But that won’t give the wonderful opportunity for immediate feedback we enjoy currently. It will lose a lot if it loses the back and forth in near real time CC has now. I was around in the pre-Internet days of the WN movement, I know exactly what it looks like…
Good luck in this current battle. I’m going to send what I can (a pitifully small “widow’s mite”- and unlike in Mark, here bigger really would be better). Let’s all help CC brace for the punch SPLC wants to deliver.
Thanks so much for your support, moral and otherwise.
Perhaps we could organize a counter attack. Like promoting a law that prohibits groups like the SPLC from organizing or calling for boycotts on pain of having their assets seized by the state.
A Counter-Currents counter offensive! Let’s make some noise!!!
SPLC, Marxists, and Cultural Marxists engage in proxy force; they organize efforts to use the state against our basic rights. This should be illegal. Proxy force should be arrested. How else is a free country to remain free, if you let Jews put 50% of the money into politics, and then control the carrots and sticks of society?
No one can hide behind “civil rights” to batter down all rights. Civil Rights are Barbarian Rights, which make it impossible for normal people to filter out destructive people.
If we focus on freedom of conscience, freedom of association, gun and property rights as the social fabric of this country, then laws to repel threats to these rights are fully legitimate, as were HUAC hearings, strong borders, and rejecting Jews as citizens, as a matter of principle. All Jewish politics tears at this nation’s social fabric.
If they Jews want speech codes, put speech codes on Jews. If Jews want gun-registration, register all Jews. If Jews want wealth-redistribution, re-distribute Jew-wealth, if Jews want to control our associations, control the associations of Jews with ghettos, walls, and barbed wire.
Admirable statement Lorenz. Parallels my own, more or less. Except you articulated it much better than I did.
Interesting site you have there. I intend to contact you soon.
I noticed that she just took aim at the books. She is too stupid to comprehend what is written here. The books are obviously for educational purposes. In fact, I had a professor who said that one must read bad books to know what good books are all about. I think her emotionalism is a result of bad up bringing. She is giving Jews a bad name.
What a pig.
I just clicked through your Amazon link and bought the DVD of “Lost Highway”. It’s not much I know but I figure I’m supporting a worthy cause and a worthy filmmaker.
Thanks so much. And you have excellent taste in movies. That movie was also my introduction to Rammstein.
You may have to move to the crypto-currencies like Bitcoin or litecoin if the SPLC gets their way. If the crypto-currencies exchanges are able to hold off this latest assault by nefarious forces who seem to be working hand in hand with the Jewish media. They may be worth quite a bit of money in the future. I was listening to a Silicon Valley venture capitalist talking about how Bitcoin may see a lot of growth in the future because people will need a place to put their money due to currency devaluations that will soon be coming to countries like Turkey and Argentina.
If you do start excepting bitcoin get ready for a roller coaster ride. I heard that the anarchist Stefan Molynuex made half a million dollars due to bitcoin donations. That was before this latest drop in bitcoin price, but who knows what will happen every time the price of Bitcoin goes down the Jew media predicts the currencies imminent demise.
Doh! I just looked at your donation site and you do except Bitcoin!
That picture is priceless. Is that a look of longing on her face? Suggested caption:
Across a crowded room, Heidi spots . . . [your answer here]
It looks to me like she’s spotted a donut.
The donut is only one part of my humble lunch.
This is frustrating and angering. Why can’t people see the truth of what is happening in this situation? How does the SPLC have any credibility?
I’ll try to remember to go through your site next time I shop on Amazon.
Question: What method of payment for books results in the greatest profits for Counter-Currents? Perhaps you could rank the various options. (I don’t have bitcoin, if that happens to be the best.)
All payment methods basically have the same costs.
Thanks for your readership and support.
I’m a Brit, it’s the first time I’ve posted here . I’m posting from the other side of the pond .
I check out all the US/UK nationalist blog regularly and for the last 8 years together with my fellow nationalist brothers and sisters have managed to transform the Telegraph UK blogs comment section into an anti-EU, anti-immigration ,anti-Islamification , anti-establishment nationalist debate forum . Thanks for all the effort and dedication you devote to running a very inspiring and professional blog site
CoCC , Amren and TOO must have complied from mainstream media reports a considerable rap sheet on SPLC, including that Left wing loon who saw some conservative family values association listed as a ” homophobic hate group ” by the SPLC ( as he admitted afterwards under police interrogation ) . He then got weaponed up and attempted to gain entrance to their property with the aim of blowing away as many ” homophobic haters ” as possible –but only managed to shoot a security guard before he was arrested . He is doing time now and hopefully as some Bantu’s prison bitch .
The SPLC is recklessly putting peoples lives in danger by conducting a modern day witch hunt .
According to a recent Robert Spencer/ JihadWatch article , the SPLC has just designated a
” hate ” email that they received from some anonymous person as a new ” hate group ”
Emails are now groups of dangerous extremists.
Maybe Amazon and Pay Pal should be made aware that they are dealing with a privat organisation that has been implicated in inciting Left extremists to commit murder and that even the FBI is reluctant about relying on them as credible arbiters of who is engaged in unlawful activities .
There is a clip ( I canøt remember which nationalist web site ) from a mainstream TV debate between the spokesma for the SPLC and an
African American ( would you believe it ) who within the space of a few sentences exposed the SPLC as a money making racket in front of mllions of viewers .
Whatever happened to the 1st Amendment and free speech ?
My advice is that some John Doe with no apparent connections to any particular movement or organisation should make up ten rap sheet files listing the number of times SPLC has been exposed for what they are and send it off to the big wigs at Pay Pal and Amazon so that they can’t claim they didn’t know what kind of people they are dealing with .
Good job! Jewish recognition is certainly a sign of effectiveness; if they try to kill you then you know you were doing something right. Keep up the good work, laying the intellectual and philosophical foundations is the first step of any movement. The second phase is creating a political machine to focus and channel human energy. The third phase will be the militant, the most desperate phase. I’ll look at my finances and see if I can do more.
“Heidi Beirich wants to eat my lunch.” Heidi Beirich looks like she needs too miss a few meals. By the looks of her she never met a cheeseburger or pizza she didn’t like.
Amazon has recently stopped selling books published by the German right-wing publishing house Antaios:
Germany is not America of course, Americans have a different sensibility when it comes to issues of free speech and its suppression. But this seems like a bad precedent for the future of Counter Currents and its presence on Amazon.
CC must be shining a pretty bright light on these cockroaches for them to be so worried. that’s good enough for me. i’ll be sending in a contribution, my first of many, just to help keep the light shining.
While I don’t agree with everything you write or all of the views expressed by other writers and commenters, I can say that using Stormfront or VNN as a gauge to determine whether or not Amazon and Paypal would terminate your accounts is a bit of a stretch. Both of those sites have persistently used their platforms to promote their own forms of slander and libel well beyond what one could consider casual conversations and research. I’ve seen just as many divisive opinions and prejudiced comments on mainstream op-ed pieces as I’ve seen here. The only difference is that their musings and views are just more politically correct in this anti-White society.
I can believe Paypal would do it—they are cantankerous pussies. But Amazon is a little different; however, I’m sure with enough pressure from the right kind of groups both could be persuaded to terminate your accounts.
If we are talking about your own livelihood and financial stability being ruined, then you would most certainly have a case for libel. Just having either company terminate your account because they now all of a sudden say you don’t meet their TOS is a far cry from the SPLC actively contacting them and trying to pressure those businesses to terminate your account because of some subjective definition of who is and is not a hater. In most cases “hate” is a subjective word, and a “Hate Group” or “Hate Site” has no real merit until the application of the label is being used by an entity that is a form of authority or at least is seen as some kind of authority. In this case, the SPLC is using its own position and clout as a supposed watchdog group(that is cited by the media and government) to vilify and attack groups and people it personally disagrees with. It would be like the IRS, FBI or some other government agency contacting a business and asking them why they are financially supporting someone who is on a terrorist wanted list. Most businesses just don’t have enough knowledge of the SPLC to know that they are dealing with a highly biased and self-serving organization, not an actual government agency whose job is to track terrorists and other potential criminals. What do most people and businesses do when they believe they are being contacted by a government agency with some type of authority or power? They usually comply, even if they disagree with the premise or accusation, and would never have agreed to comply without that pressure being applied.
The SPLC has zero credibility with anyone with integrity who analyzes their history and methods. They simply don’t go after any Leftist “hate” groups with even a fraction of a fraction of the energy and zeal as they do those groups they perceive as being to the Right of their views. What the SPLC is trying to do goes well beyond a simple task of supplying information, and it crosses over into undeniable biased and targeted maliciousness.
posted on Hacker News, hoping for a bit of traction from the more libertarian crowd there and to raise the hackles of the ultra-orthodox liberals.
A question: what’s to stop you from doing your own credit card processing with either a merchant bank or Stripe etc, and bypassing Paypal altogether?
Is there a business opportunity for becoming a dissident payment processor?
“Is there a business opportunity for becoming a dissident payment processor?”
That’s what I was thinking. In fact, as the US continues to decline, plenty of opportunities will open up for us. Let’s start throwing out some ideas.
exactly. ideas have always been the white race’s strong suit. let the other side wallow in it’s hate, filth and envy. we need a think tank manned by only our best and brightest. ideas save time and money. ideas make up for numbers. ideas can shift the world on its axis. let this attack upon CC be the beginning of something large and irresistible; a momentum so great that nothing will stop it. a think tank, not of airy notions and frothy theory, but a group of people seeking practical applications to every day problems. when two people of 140 IQ points and up meet, a think tank is born.
There must be another way of sending you money. For example put an old-fashioned paper letter in an envelope, with a few greenback bills inside. Or something like that.
There are some alternatives, although they will go after these as well before long.
Greg: To look at this woman the last thing she should be thinking about is eating anything. Having said that, I just sent my first donation to CC. I do not agree with everything I read about at CC. However, I do feel it is one of the best resources for chronicling the third world invasion of the Western Civilization. The $PLC is one of the most loathsome groups I have ever encountered. I grew up in the N.Y.C. area and used to encounter these types all the time. They are truly bottom feeders of the lowest order. +FD
We need to go on the offensive – and bankrupt SPLC in the process.
I know what you’re facing with this rather well. We initially had Paypal on our site in order to sell our pro-White music. After doing an interview on a pro-White radio show, we were informed by Paypal that they had suspended our use of their service. Now, our music contained nothing more than postive messages, it wasn’t laced with the violent overtones common in much of the lyrical content of pro-White music.
We demanded they give us a reason for cancelling and they finally informed us it was because of sales to Germany and other regions that have the obligatory “hate speech” laws. Seems the usual anti-White enemy, or one of our own genetic Ephialtes types had decided they would drop Paypal an e-mail concerning our activity.
Trying to communicate with the Paypal parasites is completely worthless, even when you can prove you are not preaching what they subjectively refer to as a breach of terms of service. They just ignore you. Anyone who thinks you can plead your case with this company will quickly find out their integrity goes only so far as their cowardly capitalistic aspirations.
We ended up finding one of those services that supplies the porn sites with a means of transaction. And I recall the fees were quite hefty. Very sad times when your positive, pro-White message is equated with such debauched company.
Hopefully you will fair better here, but I did want to throw out a real-life experience when it comes to this situation.
As a side note, we were so cheesed off at these curs, we advertised and gave away our CDs free to any and all people living in countries that had such oppressive laws, for around a year. Emptied our wallets with that stand, but it sure did fill our souls with something much more valuable. Good luck to you all at CC. I will do what I can to help.
I think it’s interesting as well as maddening that SPLC is focusing on CC.
Interesting, and potentially dangerous for SPLC, because CC is, on balance, a very sane venue. The discourse here is usually, in fact, of what I’ve read on the site so far, almost always reasoned and even tactful.
Vitriol- justifiable vitriol, mind you- is contained and expressed with intelligence and often with style, elan, and even humor. I like the atmosphere here- it really comes down to being more PRO-White than ANTI-anything. You don’t feel a need to glance furtively around while taking part in this kind of discourse- and it shows a steady hand at the wheel that keeps conversations here relevant and dignified.
This is the kind of forum SPLC might be better advised to ignore. If they point to this site, and inquiring minds take a look at it- they just might find themselves confronted with some new (to them), and surprisingly (again, to them) literate arguments. SPLC might not be helping themselves at all in the long run if they choose to persecute this group.
Thanks for your kind words.
Thanks for your kind words. Isn’t it sad that we are always reduced to hoping that our enemies defeat themselves?
“Isn’t it sad that we are always reduced to hoping that our enemies defeat themselves?”
Yes, it’s damned sad. But in our current strategic position, fighting as (ideological) insurgents/guerrillas, enemy over-reach and arrogance must be a strategic part of the equation for us.
If we ever do switch over to overt confrontation, on an, ahem, open plain, shall we say, it won’t be organized by discussing the details in a public forum with the enemy reading over our shoulders.
There is recruitment, there is training, and then there is battle. Most of what we are doing here and now naturally falls under the first two categories, although some of us, a David Irving for example, have certainly seen battle.
As Jean Harlow said (I think), “I don’t care what they say about me, Just spell my name correctly. “
That’s the spirit!
I think the attacks have been ramped up since the Dark Enlightenment became popularly identified as a growing intell3ectual force with nascent political overtones. The idea behind the Dark Enlightenment – “biology” (race) matters as the foundation for human activity, implies a new social order that explicitly denies the implicit foundations of contemporary political thought.
Suddenly, a social system manifesting Ideas perceived by the Lotus Eater is called into question as the exact opposite -is suddenly seen as the more successful system: societies formed from the ground up around “biological imperatives” – Klages, anyone? – acting as the temporal manifestations of metapolitical forces.
I think these attacks will continue to the entire area of Dark Enlightenment sites. Already, the burning platform website was hit by Google, and I can not believe this is by accident.
If memory serves, someone on this site argued the Dark Enlightenment led, inevitably, to the metapolitical philosophy of counter-currents.
So, good news Greg, we are ahead of the curve!
All the more reason to donate to counter-currents, monthly, without fail
After all, for them to win, all they have to do, metapolitically, is stop us from asking the right questions, and politically, supporting counter-currents.
Then, they win by default, and our Posterity will judge us harshly, and correctly.
Thank you. Nicely put.
I was a law school classmate of M. Dees. Back then he was a likable, energetic sort. That was before he started the SPLC and became the odious fellow-traveler of Bolsheviks. He has made the SPLC wealthy in one way…with a mailing list containing the names of virtually every Jewish organization, Jew and liberal wielding a match to the bonfire of the vanities in the U.S. Whenever there is an ‘event’ reported in the MSM that can remotely be interpreted as racist, he cranks out the letters asking for donations to help him combat the hate…and the money flows in. I understand that he has even misidentified his ethnicity in this effort, though I have only read that in one source.
Mailing lists can be expensive, but Carl Rove used them successfully for the Republicans and he did so because the names and the groups on his list were focused to those who identified with his conservative message. Why can’t we do the same?
As for Frau Heidi, I would be careful Greg. She looks like she could eat you and still have room for Richard Spencer as desert.
Why do you use a picture of Jabba the Hut when the article is about Heidi Beirich?
Worse comes to worse we can always revert to the old fashioned method of paying with checks and money orders. Are you set-up for that?
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