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The pro-Kremlin crowd in online Dissident Right spaces has one argument that they love above all others. Mike Peinovich made it in his recent post about how utterly right he is (in his view) to support Russia over Ukraine. Greg Johnson from Counter-Currents offered to debate him on that point, an offer which Joel Davis and Mark Collett both seconded, an offer which Mike and The Right Stuff (TRS) will no doubt refuse.
As we speak that same argument, the pro-Kremlin crowd is being repeated again and again in Joel Davis’ chat, where Greg Johnson is replying to the Joel Davis post in support of the debate. The argument is this:
NATO will make your country gay, non-white, and infested with drag queen story hour. NATO is homosexual imperialism; NATO will corrupt your youth; NATO will subvert your immigration policies, NATO will sponsor drag queen story hour in your cities; NATO will subvert your national identity et cetera, ad nauseam, to the nth degree. It unironically gets so tiring so hear them drag that argument out, and it’s without a doubt their favorite argument.
Like most of their arguments, it’s an emotional one, not a logical one, and it’s easily refuted. I am Estonian. Members of my family were murdered by Russians over the years. Children were executed by Jewish-Russian Communist death squads because they were related to men who dared to take up arms in defense of Estonia, in defense of Europe, against the USSR. I am emotionally invested in this conflict.
However, I know that many aren’t, and my arguments by and large rely on logic and reason. I can’t say to an American who listens to too much TRS that he should support Ukraine and oppose Russia because I have family members who were killed by Russians. That’s not going to get through to him, and it’s an emotional argument that can be easily brushed away. That’s how I see this pro-Kremlin argument. It’s just emotional. Allow me to show why it’s such a bad argument.
All we need to do to prove the whole “NATO will turn your country brown and gay” is nonsense is to compare two countries: Poland vs. Ireland.
Ireland has never been a NATO member. Poland has been a NATO member for over 23 years. There is an entire generation of Poles who have never known a non-NATO Poland. And what are these Polish youth like?
The most popular party among Poles aged 18-24 is Konfederacja, a strongly nationalist, traditionalist, and socially conservative party. This is something the pro-Kremlin crowd has to be aware of, since Joel Davis has posted about it. As an aside you might notice I mention Joel Davis and his chat a lot in my channel. There are two reasons for that:
- I debated with Kremlin supporters in there a lot.
- Of all the Anglosphere commentators, he has been the most reasonable when it comes to Ukraine and Russia. While I still disagree with his conclusions on just about everything when it comes to these topics, he has been reasonable and not resorted to the Eric Striker, Dharmaking, Zoltaneous, or Mark Collett level of Kremlin bootlicking and propaganda regurgitation.
I could write a lot about Poland, but we all know the basics. Poland is a 99% white country where traditional family values and patriotic national feelings are still widespread, even among the youth who have never known a non-NATO Poland. In just 18 months, Poland will have been a NATO member for 25 years — a quarter of a century. Still white, still traditional. When confronted with this, the pro-Kremlin crowd always resort to “Just wait. Poland is just a new member. This country will be black, brown, and gay before you know it.”
However, 25 years is a very long time for a country to change. Just think about various 25-year periods in American society. Look at America in 1950 vs. America in 1975. Or from 1975 to 2000. Or from 2000 to America at the brink of 2023. A lot of change can clearly happen in a quarter of a century, and yet Polish youth are supporting a very “far Right” party.
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Now let’s compare Poland to Ireland.
Ireland has never been in NATO, and yet somehow it is one of the brownest, gayest, most identity-less countries in Europe. I don’t even need to source this argument, since anybody reading this post is part of the pro-European online community in one way or another and therefore know what I am saying is true.
Considering the fact that Ireland is not in NATO, and yet it is one of the brownest and most non-European countries in Europe, there is clearly some force other than NATO at play which corrupts these countries.
And this is really what this argument boils down to. If I were to ask a Kremlin supporter to specifically tell me which NATO programs increase immigration and drag queen story hour time in their countries, they would say that’s a ridiculous request. Clearly what’s happening is NATO generals and other military professionals are conducting covert operations to support the LGBT community and increase immigration while also maintaining their militaries. Thus, to ask for proof is ridiculous. Yes, you might see some American homosexuals in the military pose with a NATO flag. That is a representation of American society, not NATO policy. You do not see the Polish, Hungarian, etc. militaries doing the same thing.
And yet, if you asked me this question about the European Union, I could show you the specific penalties they impose on Poland and Hungary for being traditionalist as well as the specific immigration, feminist, and LGBT programs they use EU money to openly promote.
Also, a little tidbit worth noting is that NATO was founded in 1949 by largely White Nationalistic Western governments. In 1949, the founding 12 members of NATO were white not by happenstance, but by government policy. Many of these states had pro-white immigration laws on the books, and America was still openly racially segregated. Blacks did not have the same rights as whites in America when NATO was founded. It would be another 15 years after NATO was founded that America would become desegregated and the races would become equal. And if you blame that change on NATO, then I would:
- ask for specific proofs, and
- ask you to explain how NATO caused that extreme change in America in 15 years, and yet Poland is still white and traditional after 25 years.
When you consider that in 1949, when NATO was founded, America was a racially segregated state and that the Americans leading the American-NATO charge were white men in their 40s to 60s who were born in an extremely racially-conscious country (some of these men were born in the nineteenth century!), the idea that NATO was founded to turn the Western world brown and gay is ridiculous. The truth of the matter is this:
NATO is a Western military alliance that certain segments of the nationalist community now associate with the degradation of their nations as their nations become worse and worse. NATO did not cause these degradations. NATO was simply along for the ride. Now, in 2022, the existence of a military alliance formed in 1949 has the unforeseen consequence of protecting the last homogeneous part of our civilization from the Russian Federation, an openly antifa, openly multiracial, authoritarian regime where nationalists are persecuted like nowhere else.
The “NATO will turn your country gay and brown” argument that the pro-Kremlin audience loves to trot out is so obviously false that you really need to wonder why these people get so emotional and adamant about it. I have an excuse for having strong anti-Russian feelings, but I never let that cloud my reason, and as my channel history will attest, I have a multitude of logical arguments for supporting Ukraine.
The comparison of Ireland and Poland is proof that this argument, like every other argument of the pro-Kremlin crowd, is false and easily refutable.
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46 comments
Irishman here,
The Republic of Ireland is nominally not in NATO but is so underdefended and elite so Anglophile that we are de facto part of the alliance just without the luxury of having a functioning Defence Forces.
Agree that lot of pro-Kremlin influencers are about to have their asses kicked by flirting with Eurasianism though Ireland however gay is relatively speaking not as brown as Western Europe, especially when you subtract transient language students, not perfect for sure and worsening but nowhere near France, Germany or the UK
Your comparison of Ireland and Poland is interesting. Twenty years ago Ireland was the Whitest, most traditional and most religious country in the EU. Since then, Ireland has been subject to an onslaught of anti-White, anti-Christian propaganda and the country has been flooded with third world “refugees”. Today Poland is the Whitest, most traditional and most religious country in the EU. Do you really think the people who destroyed Ireland are going to leave Poland alone? The only thing standing in the way of Poland getting the Irish treatment is a strong Russia.
And as an Estonian, you should know what they have in store for your country –
https://www.wvwnews.net/news/2019/04/14/wikileaks-us-gov-is-trying-to-brainwash-estonians-about-the-benefits-of-diversity-and-multicultural-society/
Your argument is laughable. A strong Russia would mean the destruction of Poland and flooding it with the trash of Eurasia. Poland and other Eastern European countries will have to stick together against the West and Russia. This is why Intermarium is an increasingly popular idea.
Poland has a long history of trying to play east and west against each other, and has a long history of getting crushed in the process. In the medium term they have to choose one or the other – choosing the west means death by mass immigration and globohomo. The idea of an “Intermarium” is a laughable absurdity, designed to steer nationalists away from a realistic assessment of their options. If you support the idea in good faith, I can only hope you come to your senses soon.
Poland is solidly in the NATO and the EU and resisting mass immigration. So I guess you are wrong.
Given that this article highlights two European countries it conveniently ignores the fact that the EU is completely reliant on the US for defence, ergo they are reliant on NATO.
Also just March this year the EU voted to sanction Poland and Hungary for refusing to turn their countries “brown and gay”.
The EU sends billions to Poland and Hungary every year. The sanctions consist in cutting their allowance. They aren’t exactly playing hardball, which is why Poland and Hungary don’t care.
You are absolutely right Richard.
Absolutely right!
This. It took almost a generation to make Ireland as gay as the rest of NATO. Ireland was built up economically and threatened to be torn down if they don’t bend over. Thinking Poland will be safe because they aren’t gay now is naive and thats being generous.
Poland and other Eastern European countries can change NATO and the EU too.
Konfederacja is the most NATO skeptical party in Polish politics!
Braun (the most far right man in Konfederacja) met with AfD in Berlin to talk about dropping sanctions agaisnt Russia. Korwin says in his opinion Ukrainians are greater future danger to Poland than Russia. Ruch Narodowy, the nationalist wing of Konfederacja, just announced the slogan of the Warsaw march to be “Poland is a nation state”. Part of this is rejection of idea of making Poland a US protectorate, rejection of utopian federation fantasies, rejection of globalist and foreigner dreams for our country.
Konfederacja has always favored multivectored foreign policy, and pragmatic approach to our neighbors.
We are in a time when forces are trying to turn Polish nationstate into a multicultural nation, we have to defend agaisnt this. Becoming absolutely reliant on American power does not help us accomplish that. And FYI Intermarium was and is a JEWISH supported concept in Polish political landscape. I’d be happy to discuss on stream if you’d like.
Paul (Hot Polish takes on youtube, Polish connection on telegram)
The only duties of the military, intelligence services and also of NATO, is to protect their countries militarily, politically and racially.
And by the way… It seems to me that Russia stopped being communist a few decades ago.
No, there is no communism or socialism in Russia. They have the state capitalism under the leadership of former KGB officers, of member of the former Nomenklatura, who looted state property and became oligarchs. And also of big criminal bosses with ties to the authorities. And this state capitalism is much worse than the socialism of the times of Brezhnev or Gorbachev, because during that socialism the state at least somehow cared about ordinary people and gave them some, albeit small, social guarantees and services. And today’s state capitalism simply pisses common people off. For them, the main thing is to extract resources from the territories, which for the most part belong to the colonized non-Russian peoples of Russia, sell raw materials to the West and keep the money earned from this in the West, buy real estate there, keep money in Western banks.That is just a crypto-colonial comprador state with the level of exploitation much higher than in the Soviet times of 1980’s.
And also – Brezhnev’s and Gorbachev’s USSR was not even close to being as madly militaristic and aggressive as Putin’s Russia. Even in practice, let alone rhetoric. If at least one political commentator on Soviet television in the 1980’s would say something about the radioactive ash into which America needs to be turned, or offended some people (and not just criticized the “falcons of the Pentagon” or the “military-industrial complex”), then he would not only be fired from his job, and perhaps even imprisoned for advocating an aggressive war, or at least sent to mentally hospital.
I will start this by saying I am under no illusion that Russia is “based” or “our guys” Putin is out for Russia and Russia only, However I simply see Russia winning over NATO which is really just the American Neo liberal world order as a very small slightly better outcome,
If the American neo liberal world order wins this then in my opinion its pretty much done, they will have complete hegemony of the entire western world and there will be no stopping them, Russia is about the only thing to act as a counter balance to complete American globo homo.
Also the amount of AZOV shilling coming from the Pro Ukraine side is disturbing considering it is well known who they are funded by and the fact that they have received weapons from Israel.
Personally im like an abused housewife watching her abusive husband getting his ass kicked at the bar, Im well aware that the other guy isnt on my side but im taking pleasure in watching my abuser get his ass kicked.
This is a juvenile, hysterical Made in Moscow argument.
It is basically an admission of complete psychological impotence from Western nationalists who want to wait for Putin to save them, as if that were his intent. It is delusion on the level of Q-Anon, based on the same desire to believe we have powerful friends in high places who will do our work for us.
And your dusty old slanders of Azov have been long refuted. As if it would matter who they bought weapons from.
I appreciate your abused housewife analogy. I am sorry you feel so impotent though.
Russia is the one getting its ass kicked, pretty shamefully at that. Putin is like the reckless guy who throws a punch at the biggest psychopath abuser on the playground. He deserves some recognition for that, but maybe he should have trained a little first.
The fact that the Russian armed forces aren’t all they were cracked up to be was evident since March, and all residual trust in their ability went out the window by late July. I see many in the Dissident Right confuse their wishful thinking with reality when it comes to this conflict. Too many, in fact, especially since accepting a harsh truth is a sign of maturity.
The US is NATO for all practical purposes. Poland has only been a NATO member for a generation. The groundwork for drag queen story hour just hasn’t been layed yet. “Progress” takes time and preparation. It took 60 to 70 years in the US. Poland and the Baltic Republics’ turns will come. Just be patient.
Greg Johnson made the most compelling argument on the Mark Collett podcast, but it is still just like this article. It ignores or forgets the visceral reason why most of us reflexively support Russia. We aren’t Russia and we never will be, so that argument about what Putin has done to nationalists within Russia does not change anything. Russia is not going to take over Austria. At most it will take parts of Ukraine and Transnistria, where it left geopolitical breadcrumbs since the end of the Cold War among other areas in its post-Soviet periphery. Ukraine is not defending western civilization. Nor is Russia launching a war against Europeans using nonwhites. It is using its ethnic refuse, which is backfiring now, which I ask is this really what you want? The latest proof that NATO is not defending white Christendom is its changeover dependency upon Azerbaijan energy, which gave them the green light to attack and commit war crimes (raping, dismembering, mutilating female soldiers) against Armenia proper for the first time since the USSR collapsed. So it has at least nominally allied with Pan-Turkism, which is also why it is agitating that dastardly Kurdish separatism again, this time in Iran. So it is all just the same neocon coalition against the ‘Axis of Evil.’ I cannot support that. It agitated Kazakhstan, where a huge population of Russians and other Europeans live 6 weeks before the invasion of Ukraine. It will open up another front in Transnistria and Ossetia/Abkhazia. It supported the jihadist insurgency in the North Caucasus and its Moscow bombings. How can you justify this? Russia eventually destroyed the Chechen nationalists and then the Chechen-Caucasus Islamists, and ISIS in Syria. They have won every war since Putin took over.
But this war is no longer going well for Russia because it was not supposed to last this long. It is almost entirely about the endless weaponry rather than Ukrainian soldiering or MSM memes. So hypothetically if Ukraine triumphs, what then? Is this really what you want? It won’t stop at Ukraine. It will only embolden the NWO to launch even more neocon wars abroad like they have been unable to do for the last decade precisely because of antiwar rightists, and oppression at home. I’m prepared to sacrifice Ukraine to stop that.
Greg said ‘thank God for liberal democracy.’ I hope he rethinks that because all of this modern degeneracy is the end product of it. We haven’t even seen the worst of it. We aren’t Russia. We don’t need to worry about a Russian invasion. This is a proxy war. I support pushback against our oppressors since we can’t directly confront them. As for Ireland not being NATO…it is part of the EU, which is leaving off the other half of the ledger since NATO is just its army, and is about to come into conflict with the UK over leaving. I haven’t even mentioned the ethnic politburo of Ukraine behind all of this. I just don’t understand why you want us to support what the entire NWO and every last one of our enemies enthusiastically supports. You won’t get a debate with TRS because they are literally being instructed to shill for Russia, which goes against every other shilling they have done the last 4 years when they found themselves on the wrong side of every single issue seemingly intentionally just to be edgy contrarians.
Your only argument is that if Russia loses it will embolden neocons to launch wars. But this is not America’s war. American soldiers are not fighting in Ukraine. America lost in Iraq and Afghanistan, but in Ukraine, Ukranians are winning because they’re defending their homes. If anything, it’s an argument against military interventions by US or anybody else.
Sadly, that argument played no apparent role in Kremlin planning. Beyond that, as the recent troubles in the Caucasus and Central Asia show, it is not just “neocons” who are emboldened by Russia’s weakness.
is its changeover dependency upon Azerbaijan energy, which gave them the green light to attack and commit war crimes (raping, dismembering, mutilating female soldiers) against Armenia proper for the first time since the USSR collapsed.
The Azeri Türks reconquered their lands, they have not invaded Eriwan. The Armenian war crimes are at least not less than Azerian ones.
Pan-Turkism, which is also why it is agitating that dastardly Kurdish separatism again, this time in Iran.
What is common of Kurdish separatism and Pan-Türkism? Since when the Kurds are Türkic? What is with Kurdish separatism in Türkey itself? Why is it instigated by both Russian and American imperialists?
It agitated Kazakhstan, where a huge population of Russians and other Europeans live 6 weeks before the invasion of Ukraine.
Nice view of Russo-Armenian propaganda (the whole propaganda machinery of Russia is in Armenian hands). The troubles of QZ were of internal nature, and they were instigated by the poor economical politics of the rulers, and also by the conflict between different groups of the elites. Only the Russo-Armenian propagandists see NATO, CIA or Ukrainians under every bed. There are even many another factors (and actors) in the world.
It supported the jihadist insurgency in the North Caucasus and its Moscow bombings.
Oh, really? The NATO did support the wars of National Liberation in the (occupied and genocided) North Caucasus? Maybe you should know that the Russian have started their expansion against the Great Steppe and the Caucasus in the TENTH century, 1000 years before any NATO, and they still continue their imperialist politics there.
And Moscow bombings were done not by Caucasian “jihadidsts”, but by hireling of the Russian security service.
So hypothetically if Ukraine triumphs, what then?
And what should be then? The Ukrainians simply wage a defensive war. They did not and do not want to attack and to occupy Muscovite swamps and forests. That is for Ukrainians the war of national liberation and surviving as a nation. There were many such wars in the history. And this war is just, as almost all such wars were.
I’m prepared to sacrifice Ukraine to stop that.
Everybody knows that the Western public wished the fast Ukrainian defeat, and “normalization”, so they could continue with the favorite Western hobbies like alcohol, drugs and homosex with Maghrebian Arabs, but the Ukrainians fought, they fight and they will continue to fight. Because for them it is an existential war. They would fight with the European help or without it. Without it it would be much more difficult and bloody. But should they surrender only for the pleasure of Europeans?
the ethnic politburo of Ukraine behind all of this
Do you REALLY think that Ukrainians fight for some “ethnic politburo”? Or for “Western values” (like drugs and homosex)? Or for tolerance and diversity? For transgenderism or democracy or freedom or just any another Freemasonic-Satanist BS? No, they fight simply for survive. Their rulers should give a lip service to some of “Western” PC, but of course they themselves do not like all this shit. They wanted to get weapons for their war efforts and so they said what the Western rulers await of them to say. Nothing more. In the War for Independence, Istiklal Harbi, the great Atatürk has got the help (money, weapons and advisers) from the Soviet Russia (and also from the Central Asian republics). Did he believe in the communism? Or maybe he wanted to build some kind of Socialist Türkey? Of course, not. He got weapons, he threw Greeks out of Anadolya, and after the Victory he built a normal national-bourgeoise secular republic without any communist trends.
Excellent comment. I think almost the same as you.
I think “we” should stick to one simple rule. Killing whites is a bad thing and whoever does it is going to suffer greatly.
Yet somehow, a killer, a thief, and a psychopath managed to buy enough advertisement, just like others before him, and it is just fine and moral to bomb hospitals, rape kids, steal grains and tractors, reduce entire cities to rubble. And this time is not like 1944, it is different and it is going to save the white race.
So, some mongoloids are raping and plundering in Ukraine, in order to save Europe, the whites, whatever.
This is the definitive proof of idiocy and total lack of shame. Absolutely disgusting.
Honestly I’d like an argument made as to why those of us on the Nationalist right who truly don’t really have an interest should care about this back and forth ahead of doing other work?
It is really perplexing to me just how animated and passionate both sides are – in Telegram chats I read people gloating about their predictions as if they are somehow actually personally invested in this conflict when they aren’t they are just some person online 1000s of miles away.
The ‘in’ thing is to criticize normies for being sportsball fans and wasting their energy on that but to a truly 3rd party person here it looks like both dissident right sides are behaving as sportsball fans for Russia on oneside and Nato/Europe on the other.
Debate isn’t going to change peoples minds and we don’t always have to get along but really struggling to understand both sides extreme investment in this…
There are real principles here to be debated. And debating these principles is a huge part of our work here.
Sort of off topic but can I get a qrd on the TRS/counter currents fued?
I think Putin saw the Biden presidency as weak and an opportunity to go after western/US hegemony. He struck while the iron was hot so to speak. I do think it’s easy to get caught in the enemy of my enemy is my friend idea with Putin fighting globohomo. At least the homo part what with Belarus Russia’s vassal state sending in migrants across the border into Euope. Putin us a globalist when it suits his/Russia’s interest and often chimes in about Russia’s diversity: he is no nationalist.
The invasion reminds me of a quote from a Russian general that is on the loading screen of one of the Call of Duty games, something like, “he who doesn’t want to bring back the Soviet Union has no heart, he who wants to bring it back has no brain.”
The Soviet Union in the times since Brezhnev until Gorbachov was without any doubt a better state than the Putin´s Russia. The Soviet Union of the 80´s has very many very serious faults and weaknesses, but anyway it was more free, more social oriented, more traditional and more oriented to the future, shortly it was much more healthy and sound than the crazy unleashed Golem called Russia of today.
I seem to remember there was this guy with a funny mustache who’s popular in our circles. It’s possible to be against Anglo-Saxon neoliberalism AND Muscovite-Mongol tyranny.
I used to really respect Mike Peinovich. What happened to him?
If you’re a slit-eyed steppe-Hajji, Putin will give you citizenship for murdering Ukrainians.
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/09/30/us-announces-severe-sanctions-on-russia-over-annexations-a78941
One thing I can say in favor of homosexuals over Russia, is that at least homos have never set up slave-labor gulags anywhere to imprison and starve millions of peasants, returning-soldiers from WWII, and war refugees from Central and Eastern Europe, not only after WWII, but clear back from 1917 until 1991. Solzhenitsyn gives the total at ‘over 100 million’ Russians and Eastern Europeans starved or worked to death in the gulags. That figure alone should shut up the Jews from whining incessantly about their ‘holocaust, but it hasn’t.
So, you can see, I am not a supporter of the Kremlin, despite the fact that most of Russia is of White stock. And Putin has proven, just in the past 6 months that he is not a supporter of White lives. He is killing White Ukrainians as well as White Russian soldiers at a horrid pace. How can any White Nationalist support this instigation of this useless, manic war? Ukraine was 95% White at the beginning, but several million have already de-camped over to Poland or anywhere they could. And now, young White Russian men are running for their lives as well.
I’ll put up with a minority of gay and transgender lunatics any day in order to leave the majority White European peoples and countries safe from war.
Straight outta Pravda.
https://real-stories-gallery.org/content/russian-army-plagued-sex-slavery-and-male-prostitution-2007-0
The Greatest Russian Generals Suvorov (the murderer of Nogays, Poles and Belarussians) and Kutuzov were both sexual perverts. Suvorov was bisexual, and Kutuzov was a paedophile with love to very young girls. It is displeasure to me to say that both were of Türkic origin, Kutuzov was even a distant relative of the great Mamlük Sultan Qutuz (13th century in Egypt), but this was always so – our worst enemies were and are renegates.
is that at least homos have never set up slave-labor gulags
Just for your information: Comrade Nikolay Yezhov, the NKVD-chief during the Great Purge, was bisexual. But he was bad not because of it. Of course, later he was purged and executed himself. His predecessor Comrade Genrikh Yagoda (a Jew) was heterosexual, but had some pervert leanings and liked pornography. But again he was bad not because of it.
There are many bisexuals, homosexuals, and paedophiles in the Putin´s ruling class, but they also are bad not because of it.
I can’t help but think that we have two questions clumped together:
Is it wise for European nations to join NATO?
Are Russia’s actions justified?
If you say “no” to 1 then you’re likely to say “yes” to 2, and vice versa.
You are circumventing the real issue here.
Russia is a monstrous coalition of plundering Asiatic tribes. Russia respects only the brute force. Russia never respected a treaty. Russia never left its neighbors alone.
Putin, on top of his nukes, is that crazy that he says he feels menaced by Moldova.
https://www.usnews.com/news/world-report/articles/2022-06-24/russia-issues-thinly-veiled-threat-at-moldova-after-eu-membership-decision
Why would Moldova want to join EU? Because it doesn’t want to be plundered shamelessly by some Russian gangsters, nor be enslaved, colonized with foreigners and its own people be removed altogether.
So the only question is:
Should the Europeans accept the Russian tyranny and accept being exterminated so that Russia will not feel endangered, or they will join in an whatever alliance and fight against the historical enemy?
A second question would be:
Are there any European people safe from the Russian menace?
There are none. Russians managed to plunder all the gold of the Bank of Spain in 1937. The Russian grip over politics in France, Italy, Spain, Germany, USA and the Great Britain tell us that nobody is really safe.
The history has many useful lessons. When De Gaulle decided that France should get out of NATO´s military organization and stay only as a political member there, the US did some political and economical pressure on the French, but they did not send B52´s to bomb Paris or the 82nd Airborne to land in Fountainbleau. (I here would not tell about the pro-Soviet/pro-Russian lobby around de Gaulle, about the SAPPHIRE Ring, which story was the plot of Leon Uris´s novel TOPAZ, based on the true story of SAPPHIRE). The French left the NATO in 1966, not nuked and not occupied.
When two years later the Czechs wanted to modify their socialism and to have a more independent policy, the Soviet Union crushed the Prague Spring (Prazhske Jaro) with tanks. And that was under the moderate and relatively kind-hearted Brezhnev, who was much more adequate politician than Putin is now.
So, the answer is simple. You can get in in the NATO and you can get out. But if you get in the sphaere of the Russian/Soviet (it is the same thing) Empire you should never get out, until the Empire broke.
This is directed at GJ. What’s your opinion on the Zman’s assessment of the Ukraine war situation? Like for instance his recent article over at Takimag
I have not read it.
All the tranny poison is fairly new to the west too…give it time and the Polacks will be listening to their fairy tales delivered by drag queens too. Any work NATO (or EU) does for a member country isn’t without strings. Should Poland be promised Galicia after the dust from this neocon shitshow that is the Ukraine war settles, there will need to be a quid to reciprocate for the quo. Hungary first, and soon Sweden and Italy will feel that pressure from EU.
One doesn’t have to be pro-Russia or pro-Putin for that matter to revel in the black eye being given to GAE. Heck, I don’t carry water for the mullahs, yet the Afghan fiasco is my new screensaver. Ditto Black Hawk Down and every other bloody nose globohomo has been given over the years.
Putin is not invading his neighbor to save the world from trannies. It is embarrassing that this juvenile meme is still around.
Putin´s Russo-Armenian propaganda machine sells to the “right” Western idiots that stuff about the fight against trannies. For the “left” Western idiots it has the stuff about the fighting against evil Ukrainian fascists and nazists.
I don’t care for the distracted Uber Eats driver who mowed down the weirdo who likes to show his junk to the neighborhood kids. I love the result, however.
But if the referendums are correct (or somewhat correct) then the recently annexed regions should be allowed to join Russia. The part of Denmark where I’m from became Danish again in 1920 after the same process.
How can they be correct when many Ukrainians fled the territories due to war and poll takers accompanied by armed men showed up to collect votes? The most reliable way to sort who wants to be part of Russia is to allow them to pack their bags and move there.
Come on, nothing can ensure a fair referendum more than two bearded Chechens with Kalashnikovs. They knock down your door, and kindly teach you how to vote.
What do you want more? Isn’t that kind, and fair? They could just shoot you and say that 101% voted to be unified with Russia.
Vox populi vox Dei, and his son, Vova, you wicked unbelievers.
Konfederacja is the most nato skeptical party in Polish politics.
Ruch Narodowy, the nationalist wing, position is that multivector foreign policy, pragmatic approach to neighbors, is superior to relying on zog run american power.
Braun(the most right wing person in Konfederacja) went to berlin to meet with AfD and Slovakia nationalists about “returning to buisness as usual” by dropping sanctions on Russia.
Korwin, the libertarian, often says that Ukraine could likely be a greater danger to Poland in the future than Russia. He also calls for dropping sanctions on Russia, saying they hurt us more than they hurt Russia.
Paul (Polish connection on tele)
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