The Correct White Nationalist View of the Ukraine WarJames A.
I have bad news for those who side with Russia because they oppose NATO. The idea that Russia invading Ukraine will weaken NATO is incorrect and crumbles under the most rudimentary analysis.
There is no outcome from this invasion that will reduce NATO’s power and through it, the influence of America in Europe.On the contrary, by the end of this war, no matter the outcome, Russia will be weaker in comparison to NATO, and America/NATO will have a stronger presence in Europe.
NATO has been suffering a legitimacy crisis since the collapse of the Soviet Union. However, by Russia invading a non-NATO country, they have justified the need for NATO in the eyes of millions of Eastern Europeans, and NATO has been invigorated like never before. Already look at some of the news coming out of Europe:
- Germany is spending over 100 billion euros to rearm their military.
- Poland is increasing the size of their military from 110,000 to 250,000, creating a Territorial Defense Force of 50,000, and increasing their military budget from 2% to 3% of their GDP.
- Pro-NATO membership polling in Finland and Sweden is at a record high, with the governments of each country talking about it seriously for the first time.
- In a policy reversal, Finland has sent 2,500 assault rifles, 150,000 rounds of ammunition, 1,500 “one-shot bazookas” (which are most likely M72 LAWs), and 70,000 MREs to Ukraine.
Russia’s invasion of a non-NATO country has justified NATO in Eastern Europe’s eyes, and NATO arms dealers are going to make billions from Germany and Poland as they ramp up their militaries. Thanks to Putin, America’s hold on Europe via NATO is stronger than ever.
If Russia defeats Ukraine, NATO will be more justified than ever. And Finland, one of Europe’s strongest and most motivated militaries, will be joining NATO.
If you want NATO’s power weakened in Europe, the outcome you should most hope for is that Ukraine either repels the Russian invasion or inflicts massive casualties on the Russian military, exposing Russia as not a military superpower but simply a Third World country with nuclear weapons, like Pakistan.
Russia is certainly not an economic superpower. The GDP of Texas is larger than that of Russia. And the rest of the world has the ability to pool together natural resources and their economies in a way that will hurt each country a little and Russia a lot. Norway, Romania, and Azerbaijan have a lot of natural gas and oil as well, and they are in or near Europe.
Eastern European governments do not like the influence America has over them via NATO, but they are entirely willing to pay that price in exchange for security against Russia. If Ukraine, a non-NATO member, can repel Russia or inflict massive casualties, however, then the need for NATO is brought into question.
If Ukraine can hold back Russia alone using NATO arms, then what might Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, the Czech Republic, Croatia, Slovakia, Slovenia, Hungary, Ukraine, Romania, and Bulgaria do together if they formed a NATO-type organization?
Poland is a power — not a superpower, not a great power, but a power for certain. Poland and the Czech Republic have large domestic arms industries, and Romania has oil. The concept of Intermarium and the Visegrád Group is gaining traction in Eastern Europe every day. Greece and France would also be likely candidates for joining such a European NATO-style organization if Eastern Europe broke away from NATO and formed such a thing. From there it might grow to include all of Europe.
This is hypothetical, yes, but what’s not hypothetical is that Russia has lost troops, resources, and cratered their economy for the privilege of making NATO larger and more powerful. For all this, Russia might gain a costly puppet state that will be war-torn and full of people who hate them (Eastern Ukraine), and will therefore require lots of resources to rebuild and occupy.
Once upon a time, Ukrainians might have considered Russia a fraternal country, but those days are gone. Forever. Ukrainians will never look east to Russia and see anything but their mortal enemy.
What cannot be questioned is that there is no scenario in which Russia ends up being more powerful relative to NATO after this conflict. They have made NATO more popular with the public, caused it to strengthen militarily, and potentially handed them two important new members: Finland and Sweden.
Now we must look at a rhetorical phenomenon observed in people in the West wo call themselves nationalists — and who may or may not be Kremlin agents — who regularly blunder into a massive logical flaw when they attempt to argue in favor of the Russian invasion of Ukraine. This exposes their true intentions in an extremely obvious way, and they are so committed to their mission of being voices of the Kremlin that they don’t even realize it. When they make this logical error, be sure to point it out to the surrounding audience.
They will tell you that the Russian invasion of Ukraine is a positive for the white race because it is an attack on NATO (it isn’t) and that it will reduce NATO power and influence in Europe (it hasn’t). This is entirely untrue. All the Russian invasion of Ukraine has done with regard to NATO is to increase its popularity, hand it two very important new members, and increase its military budget, lining the pockets of NATO arms dealers.
When you point this out to them, they will almost always reply “This is ‘if you fight them, you lose’ logic. They (Russia) could not just sit back and let Ukraine join NATO, they had to do something.”
This is how you respond:
You just told me that the reason that I as a White Nationalist should support Russia (the Kremlin) is because they are fighting the influence of NATO. When I pointed out that this is an invalid reason for supporting Russia, since Russia is in fact furthering NATO influence in Europe, you suddenly pivoted from a pro-White Nationalist argument to simply a pro-Kremlin argument. Yes, I agree, Russia was in a very tricky situation in regard to NATO expansion in Europe. Do they sit back and allow Ukraine to join NATO, or do they invade and cause Finland and Sweden to join NATO? However, that is a conundrum for Russia, not for me as a White Nationalist. You said I should support the Russian invasion of Ukraine because it harms NATO, which benefits the white race. That argument was challenged and exposed as incorrect, and you seamlessly transitioned from an attempted pro-white argument to a pro-Kremlin argument. It seems that your desired outcome is to convince people to support the Kremlin, and you are working backwards to achieve that end with your intended audience. Have you even thought your own arguments through?
And just like that, their primary argument in support of the Russian invasion of Ukraine is proved false, and their true motives are laid bare for everyone to see. As my experience arguing with these so-called nationalists online has shown me, when you point this out they will simply move on to another point. You will never convince people like that to change their position. As you can tell from their arguments, they are too invested in the superficial aspects of this conflict and do not examine the issue critically. They just want to oppose the current thing and think that the best thing for the white race is to take the opposite stance from CNN.
Neutral observers who can think critically will lean closer to our side: the pro-European, pro-white side that has logical arguments motivated purely by what is best for the white race.
* * *
Counter-Currents has extended special privileges to those who donate $120 or more per year.
- First, donor comments will appear immediately instead of waiting in a moderation queue. (People who abuse this privilege will lose it.)
- Second, donors will have immediate access to all Counter-Currents posts. Non-donors will find that one post a day, five posts a week will be behind a “paywall” and will be available to the general public after 30 days.
To get full access to all content behind the paywall, sign up here:
Paywall Gift Subscriptions
If you are already behind the paywall and want to share the benefits, Counter-Currents also offers paywall gift subscriptions. We need just five things from you:
- your payment
- the recipient’s name
- the recipient’s email address
- your name
- your email address
To register, just fill out this form and we will walk you through the payment and registration process. There are a number of different payment options.
“The concept of Intermarium and the Visegrád Group is gaining traction in Eastern Europe every day.”
No, these concepts were never very good to begin with, and now they are practically dead.
Reading newspapers in a couple of Eastern European languages would help. Russian is a must.
By the way, the main cause of this war is honor.
Indeed, honor has no price. In the past, the calculating bourgeois merchant could not understand the aristocrat who entered a deadly duel for the sake of his honor. And likewise no materialistic soft Westerner can truly understand the behavior of Russia, a country that still has independence and proud self-esteem left.
This war is a bloody tragedy, like many of the past duels were. And yet it shows Russia has a strong sense of pride.
Both parties are fantastically arrogant and self-centered.
But it’s a fact that Moscow attacked Ukraine and not the other way around.
But it’s also a fact that Ukrainian elites did whatever they could to escalate. They saw war as a solution to their domestic problems (that is, the country underneath them shifting towards Russia faster than the progress of their Ukrainization project).
The Correct White Nationalist View of the Ukraine War: contain, de-escalate.
Macron, Scholz, and a couple of smaller players like Orbán are working on it.
But at the end of the day it will be decided in Washington.
Russia winning delivers a massive blow to the Globalist American Empire similar to their shameful withdrawal from Afghanistan. The GAE is our enemy not the Russkies.
Its also worth pointing out the Russian economy is doing fine with the ruble valued higher than it was pre-war.
Russia winning means the rest of Europe is more soundly behind NATO and the US in Europe, that NATO expands to other countries like Sweden and Finland, and that Western military budgets are expanded and defense contractors enriched. Not sure how that is a blow.
Afghanistan was an embarrassment. But those people don’t matter much. Ukraine, however, is in Europe, and the invasion has a lot of people in Europe thinking that American interventionism is not so bad after all.
“Afghanistan was an embarrassment”.
Unless the Russian invasion in Ukraine was already known to be happening soon. Why do I have the feeling it was a stroke of genius of the President Biden? Or maybe a gigantic historical under-current that is forcing events beyond anything human?
What are you getting at? America losing billions in weaponry was a brilliant strategic feint, a la Putin’s “brilliant feint at Kyiv” (I am joking, of course), in order to embolden Putin to attack?
I do think American intelligence in Russia has been proven to be formidable, unlike American intelligence in Afghanistan. Is it just that Russians are extremely corrupt and will sell their country out to the US, while the Taliban and its allies are not?
The US knew this war was on the way, but refused to give Zelensky a flat “no” on NATO, which meant the US wanted it happen. Why? Surely because they had good reason to think that the Russian army was not up to the job. Which means that the US had a better understanding of Putin’s army than Putin himself. Beyond that, I think they believed there is a good chance that a failure in Ukraine could lead to regime change in Russia. Putin should probably be eyeing every associate with great suspicion.
Then there are all those dead generals and colonels. Clearly, Russian opsec is lousy.
I think it was on purpose. No matter what kind of Afghans will use the weapons, all the “stans” in the region will have to keep a low profile, and the Russians will have to do overtime to keep it that way. Any sudden move would upset all of the Putin allies in the region. So no “Back in the USSR” in any foreseeable future.
“Biden” passed the hot potato. And brilliantly so.
The original plan was:
1. Go in with light force.
2. Zelensky and his circle escapes to the West.
3. Install puppet government.
4. Sporadic resistance by Azov types, no big deal.
It wasn’t a bad plan. But when the Spetsnaz went for them, Zelensky & friends didn’t run, and the Ukrainian chain of command remained intact. From that point everything fell over.
“Russia winning means the rest of Europe is more soundly behind NATO and the US in Europe, that NATO expands… Not sure how that is a blow.”
Not sure how these consequences follow from the premise.
Maybe some White Nationalists do ‘support the Russian invasion’ — I’m personally agnostic about it; I’m sympathetic to Russia’s security concerns (including NATO expansion), but do not know enough about the region to say whether the war is justified and necessary or not — I’m definitely against US intervention in the war, and hegemonic US policy and influence generally (‘globohomo’).
From Paul Craig Roberts:
How Many More Red Lines Can Be Crossed Before Armageddon Arrives?
In it he links to a 2016 OSCE report:
War crimes of the armed forces and security forces of Ukraine: torture and inhumane treatment
It’s not unfair to assume similar ‘crimes’ against ethnic Russians and Russian speakers have been happening in eastern Ukraine since 2014; Western media has just largely not covered the ongoing conflict there.
So considering the timeline, Russia was actually fairly patient: they pushed for a diplomatic solution, and did not recognize the independence of the autonomous republics (declared in 2014) until February 2022, shortly before the invasion began.
Well said, eah. It’s best not to throw more gasoline on this war in Ukraine. As you said, this war has been eight years in the making and, by all accounts, Russia has shown enormous restraint up to February. The fact that they cannot accept nuclear missiles on their doorstep (whose proposal by Zelensky triggered the invasion) shouldn’t surprise anyone who knows about the Cuban Missile Crisis. Expect Russia to take the fight to Finland or the Baltics for the same reason after they have finished in Ukraine.
The US did not invade Cuba over the Cuba missile crisis.
It didn’t need to. Kennedy made his secret deal with Khrushchev and both parties withdrew their missiles from their opponent’s respective sphere of influence. Biden has made no effort whatsoever to negotiate with Putin in good faith. He has merely pretended to do so so as to make it appear that “he tried everything”. His goal all along has been to provoke Russia into launching a wider, devastating world war. His regime and media apparatus is so blatantly obtuse as to beg such a response. This whole show is one gigantic false flag.
In other words, what you are saying is that we should support Ukraine/NATO/EU because after 3 months of war Western governments have aligned behind NATO and the USA, as if that was in any way a surprise.
The West will not fall in 3 months, we are probably looking and years and decades of cold and hot war, but in order for the White race to survive, the West as it is today needs to die. From my perspective, it’s that simple. If nothing changes, if the West remains unchanged, all European nations will go extinct. Of course, we may lose this conflict and the West may retain its dominating position, but why is supporting Ukraine and its Western masters any better for the White race?
I understand if you support Ukraine against Russia for “localized” reasons, but if you are thinking in terms of “what is best for the White race”, you can never take the side of NATO/EU/USA, since these are the mortal enemies of the White race.
Sadly, the imbecile Putin has strengthened these mortal enemies of the white race.
Glad you reached the conclusion that Putin is an imbecile. But he is not only that. He is the symbol of anti-white hate.Strange thing is how many on the nationalist right are have the same opinions like Kissinger, or Soloviev. (Yes, Vladimir Solovyov is of the tribe too and menacing the white men of Europe with annihilation on prime time at TV.)
I would not be so sure that Russia is not behind many of the excesses we all hate today. In fact I believe that Russia still controls many on the left, and lately got control over many on the right – they are paying good money for it. Russia have no interest to see a strong US, and EU. They need strife, chaos, diversity, weakness in order to rob Europe and make US to exterminate itself. (Not to occupy, because they are not a a force of civilization, but a force of barbarism. They want to rob Europe every 30 years or so. They can’t do more than that.)
USA/EU/NATO are the white men creation. They do not have to be anti-white. Reformed, improved surely yes. But not dismantled. Beyond that ideological paint there is an under-current of reality and history.
Otherwise, why all the non-white powers rallied so eagerly around Putin and Russia? China, India, Brazil, even Mexico. Africa simply shut up in terror that the grains from Ukraine and EU will not come anymore. Talking here about huge countries not some small arrogant speculators.
All these peoples see US/EU as the white men symbols. Not the symbol of George Floyd on fentanil. All these countries felt that the white men are eager to unite and fight back. The white men will not crack under Asian and African pressure.
Talking about imbeciles. What about Biden?
And hey, dear Razvan, please show us some everyday life positive differences in USA compared to Russia? Maybe starting from the famous fentanyl George? Or the porous border at Texas? Maybe the usual weekend slaughter by blacks (mostly against blacks, for sure) in “cities” like Chigaco or Philadelphia?
Maybe we can talk about the newest addition to the High Court in USA. She cannot recognize a woman.
Now, look, please educate me.
And hey, what about the pre-emptive attacks against civilians in Syria, Iraq, soon Iran. Should we not sanction these boys? I mean as we are now sitting on the high pedestal of morality? And, heck, the appr., what five million iraqis killed as collateral damage, when the ever so great U.S. of A. spread democracy.
You are saying that we should all condone that and stand proudly behind all that, yes? Well, why not say it then. Just say it. You feel better after that.
“Talking about imbeciles. What about Biden?” Frankly I stopped thinking that.
– He is the first US President in a very long to time to stand against the Russians. Not a small feat. You should search the long list of US presidents who saved USSR from implosion with their food aid most of all. Harding and Hoover saved Lenin and the Red Army, Nixon bankrupted the US farmers while sending aid to USSR (yes Nixon was warning Bush in 1992 to “help Russia”), Reagan lifted the grain embargo to help poor little Russia.
– All these while the Russians were a menace for US and Europe. A curse over hundreds of millions people kept in fear, cold, and abject poverty by the Russian Psychopathic Empire. Probably he will remain in history as a great man that united the Whites. There are too many things here to be said.
“And hey, dear Razvan, please show us some everyday life positive differences in USA compared to Russia? Maybe starting from the famous fentanyl George? Or the porous border at Texas? Maybe the usual weekend slaughter by blacks (mostly against blacks, for sure) in “cities” like Chigaco or Philadelphia?”
– are you menaced by some crazy jew (like Solovyov) with nuclear obliteration? are poorly designed and built cruise missiles flying at low altitudes over the biggest US nuclear reactors?
– have you heard about the city of Norilsk? Look at some pictures. The diesel fuel river is spectacular and the nickel furnaces are straight outta Mordor. Do you know who owns the place? A communist pig, named Potanin, proud owner of an 165 mil USD and Putin lapdog. I wonder how much this pig really paid in the ByteGrid scandal.
– compare the crime stats between US and Russia, and see how violent Russia is compared with any other European country or US. In fact if you refine the search you’ll see that the more Russians live in a place the more violent the place is. And yes, it is worse than Chicago and Philadelphia.
– are you that worried that Africans are living like Africans among themselves? Why bother?
– anyway, why don’t you google for “Moscow shooting” and see for yourself, not that TASS agency will make too many reports.
– when Covid-19 hit, why you people started to argue everything (using Chinese and Russian propaganda lines) instead of asking for total border closing? Why Trump did almost nothing when it was the best timing for sealing the borders?
“And hey, what about the pre-emptive attacks against civilians in Syria, Iraq, soon Iran. Should we not sanction these boys? I mean as we are now sitting on the high pedestal of morality? And, heck, the appr., what five million iraqis killed as collateral damage, when the ever so great U.S. of A. spread democracy.”
– So let me understand, you are universalist. I am a nationalist, I didn’t bombed, nor want to bomb anyone. You are worried about those poor little Arabs, but not an yotta about the Psichopatic Russian Empire that devastates Europe. If you are an Arab it is OK. I am European and I want to see the Arabs in their own countries. And the Russians TOO.
“You are saying that we should all condone that and stand proudly behind all that, yes? Well, why not say it then. Just say it. You feel better after that.”
– why so confused? Are you an Arab, or Iranian? So because some war prone countries got bombed, should I get bombed too? We have been invaded for 14 times by the accursed Russian. Should we get invaded and massacred again so your fake moral sense be satisfied?
Are you sure that you really understand all the details of those wars? Or are you just throwing some propaganda petards?
Your take on everything is too superficial.
“Maybe we can talk about the newest addition to the High Court in USA. She cannot recognize a woman.”
OK. You check mate me. SO we should get exterminated by Russians because you can not solve this intractable problem. Damn. Those Azovstal fighters had it so easy.
You assume that the West in going to win. If that happens, none of this is going to matter, our nations will go extinct and that’s it.
We have to hope that the West will lose and we have to work in order to hopefully contribute to this defeat. By supporting USA/EU/NATO we are basically digging our own graves.
Of course it is going to win! Have you any doubts?
Razvan, if the West wins our country dies. Is this what you want?
No! It will flourish! The Russians are our curse and punishment for our own stupidity. They invaded us 14 times, they killed, deported and tortured us. Now you say they are our only hope.
If one thing is happening not once, not twice, but 14 times, and you are expecting a different result…
Oh boy you are deluded.
Romania will flourish if the West wins? We are on a clear path towards biological extinction, Razvan. Our country has now no independence, no control over our internal policies, elections mean nothing, our secret services are annexes of the FBI and CIA, no foreign policy, we are 100% a puppet of foreign powers. Our culture is rapidly deteriorating, each generation is increasingly smaller and more degenerate in outlook, our education system is basically dead, the population is rapidly shrinking (we already have the shrunk to the population we had in the 1940s, but with a catastrophic trend) etc, etc. Yes, we are clearly flourishing.
No, you are an FSB/SVR puppet.
All the problems of Romania are stemming from Russia and are created by Russian agents. Have you ever heard about Ion Ilici Iliescu? About gen Dumitru Cioflina? Anything? Does “the ambiguous years” ring a bell to you?
When we will get rid of Russians, Russian agents and their useful idiots we will be doing fine. Really fine.
Please, please learn your country history and stop preaching things you are not able to understand. History is made of names, dates, and facts. History is not a collection of slogans freshly imported from the historical enemy.
Iliescu has not been involved in Romanian politics for almost 20 years. He is irrelevant now and he had no part in any important political decision since at least 2004.
Do you honestly think that Romania will do “fine, really fine” in this ultra-progressive, anti-White EU? How do you see this happening? I’m honestly curious to understand your perspective, since everything that is happening in the West right now seems to clearly indicate that basically all European nations are heading fast towards extinction.
Iliescu was very present between 1990 till 2004. He is responsible for the biggest Russian success in Europe after the destruction of Yugoslavia.
Iliescu destroyed the economy, the national solidarity, and hope. He firmly installed in positions of power scores of Russian agents, and defective individuals. He firmly installed a system of corruption and incompetence that can be dismantled only by cutting the ties with the Psychopathic Russian Empire. Cutting their support they will be easily cornered and unmasked. Like what is timidly happening like now with the very destructive Mechel. Hope they will move fast and hard on Vitali Matsitski and Vimetco, Deripaska and all the others. Does it ring a bell to you?
Why do you think that the idiot sexo-marxist yogy Ciolos is attacking Poland? Because he is fond of gays? Or is he weakening Europe during a war? Why in every country the politicians that oppose Russia are under attack? Starting with M-me von der Leyen and Boris Johnson. Who leads the attack? The very same sexo-marxist forces you supposedly despise. Who ordered the attack? Of course the interested party.
Now, what I see is that you have a very short term understanding of history.
I told you that you should learn your country history, and I think I was wrong. You should start with some Russian history and you’ll understand much better what is what. Left and right, globalists and nationalists, there is everywhere at least some Russian influence. And that for at least 400 years – yes that long. What do you think has happened with all those trillions of dollars from what Russia stole and what resources Russia sold. They were spent on guns, espionage especially, and some bling.
You say that the Rainbow flag and progressive ideology are destroying our country. Then, you ask me to support an army of drunk and drugged homosexual rapists waving a red flag and an orthodox cross. Let me tell you this is a stupid business proposition that denotes the Russian level of disdain for us all.
Try to read what I wrote, and please stop replying with more Russian lies, sick of it since a long, long time ago.
Ok, let’s assume that I’m wrong and that you are right when you’re saying that supporting Russia in this war is the wrong choice.
How do you see our country’s future? Do you think that Romania should remain a member of the EU and NATO? Do you hope that the EU will transform into a nationalist, pro-White organization? Do you not agree that the current trend for our country leads to national extinction if nothing changes? In another reply you are saying that “the correct stance is US/NATO/EU great…”. What exactly is great about these anti-White organizations?
At this very moment talking about leaving EU or NATO is national treason. Is to invite an Yugoslavia/Ukraine/Moldova scenario or an Iliescu scenario at the very best. With leftists leaders like the gypsies Ciolacu or Simion we would be doomed.
We do not need more “kids”, we do need more intelligent, healthy and wealthy, well behaved kids, WHITE kids. We need order and stability. We need the future white elite. To the horror of many, yes the managerial, technical, intellectual, military, financial elites. Those are important, the rest will come.
We need great quality not mass. Ceausescu believed in mass and we got an utter mess. We need robots not many unqualified workers. See? Like in Ukraine, better guns not more cannon fodder.
I am pretty much hopefull with what I see. Like boys tinkering at their 3D printers, assembling robots or winning competitions. Yes, I am hopeful.
The only method to have larger families is to keep the wifes at home. But for that we need a new ecconomy to allow this lifestyle. We need good, large homes, a large garage to tinker, wealth. Wealth to support that wife and kids. Like it was a century ago. (Alas, I yet have to see parents raising their daughters to become wifes and mothers and not doctors in Luxembourg).
The guys that convinced you that our nation is dieing have any plan for that? Or their plan is to surrender to Russia, steal any trace of wealth made in the last 30 years (since the last Russian cover invasion) and squander it by multiplying some piccaninnies (to become cannon fodder for the Psychopathic Russian Empire, just like the Buryats)?
No, if Russia gets rolled up and NATO triumphs, that does not mean “game over.” This is an absolutely imbecilic Russian shilling point. If Russia is our only hope, that means that you believe that the nationalist movements in every white country are doomed to defeat. If that is what you believe, then just shut up and get out of the way of people who are immune to this silliness.
It’s not our only hope, but it is the country that is now opposing the West so yes, I hope it wins. As nationalists, we may not get another chance for something to change, since we are getting weaker and weaker with every passing year. In this conflict that started this year, yes, I support Russia, China and whoever else opposes the West and its progressive hegemony.
Young generations in the West are 20-30-40% non-White. Young generations in the USA are already majority non-White. Immigration is not stopping, progressive policies and progressive cultural hegemony are intensifying. What exactly are you suggesting, that we do nothing? Support Ukraine and the West for what reason, exactly? I don’t really understand what alternative are you offering.
Cheering for Russia is pretty much doing nothing. But it is worse than doing nothing. It is cheering for a Eurasian mongrel horde to wreck one of the whitest countries in Europe.
Doing something would be: to organize nationalist metapolitical and political projects in every white country. But you can’t do that if you can’t even tell the difference between a white country and a multiracial empire.
Of course we should build or consolidate nationalist projects. But our chances of success are very small if nothing changes on the international stage. Yes, we may win elections in several countries, we may delay some EU policies for a while, but ultimately we’ll reach a stage when even the smallest electoral victory will become impossible because of changing demographics and anti-nationalist legal repression.
In the end, the issue of Ukraine is irrelevant. I think we both agree that our enemy is the “West” and its hegemony, we just disagree on how we should fight it.
All the old men in my family fought 4 years in WW2 on the Eastern Front. I had a grandfather at Stalingrad. The women lived through the frontline moving back and forth several times, the siege of Budapest, the occupation. Then 1956.
So I grew up with pretty harrowing stories.
But no one ever called the Russians mongrels, or spoke about them in derogatory terms.
This is Ukrainian speak. Mentally they are conquered people.
My people just lost a war. They surrendered in the first days of May 1945, on Austrian territory, when Hitler had already been dead for several days.
They said the Russians were different. (So we’re the Germans.)
By the way, neither Mongol nor Turk are insults in Hungary. They were powerful enemies. We respect them.
Ukraine is extremely important in every sense. A people is shattering its shackles, a people has decided to live in freedom, without the disgusting occupant. Brave soldiers resisting in the post-apocalyptic Azovstal scene. It is more than important. It should remember us all what is it to love your country and people.
The politicians that allowed the invasion of Europe and America might be very well Russian agents. Merkel – do I really have to explain to you how Merkel was promoted in CDU by a documented Russian spy and how she broke the neck to good ol’ Helmuth Kohl? Schroder still is for sure. Tony Blair and Gordon Brown as a members of Fabian Society may very well be Russian and Communists spies. The Catalan secessionist leader, Puigdemont was getting money from Russia. Le Pen too. Do I need to explain to you the links between Austrian politicians, Reiffeisen and Russian operatives? Or the Berlusconi secret deals with Putin? Or the smaller idiots in our own country and in vicinity?
When we’ll get rid of Russian influence and corruption many damaging policies will be reversed easily. Once the money will stop flowing many organizations, parties, lobbyists, politicians will simply disappear. Have you heard about Mitrokhin Archive? Search what Mitrokhin had to say about MLK, and the operation PANDORA. Are you sure that the BLM is not similarly funded by the same Russians agencies? What makes you sure that BLM is not funded and guided by some Russian agent? Or do you believe that they simply wanted to atone their sins and stopped “sinning”. This before you are preaching about the last chance for survival at the hands of Psychopathic Russian Empire.
At the hands of Russians Europe will have the fate of Ukraine and Yugoslavia. (Our Serb brothers are still in denial – Gorbachev and Evghenii Primakov did it and their imbecilic “patriotic” leaders).
Damn you guys are really trying to push this whole pro-Ukraine / America thing. Not to be snarky, as I enjoy the authors behind said pieces that have been released, but clearly readership isn’t buying it.
Is someone blocking you exposing your Russia and pro-Putin thing?
Russia is a monstrous country, with a monstrous people and monstrous leaders.
And yes, Gods bless America and Slava Ukraini! Is that better?
There are more whites in Russia than there are in the rest of Eastern Europe combined. This Russophobia is very inconsistent. How is being pro-NATO lord pro-white?
That’s idiotic. Look at these numbers: https://www.worldometers.info/population/countries-in-europe-by-population/
There are 144 million people in Russia, many of them not white. The combined white populations of Germany and the UK is larger than the Russian white population. The combined white populations of Ukraine, Poland, Romania, Czechia, Slovakia, and Hungary are larger than the white population of Russia.
But it is so important to Russia to promote the idea that they are the great white hope that such absurd lies circulate in our circles. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Your link shows the population numbers, annual change and ‘migrants’ but does not categorize by race, so why did you call Antiwar ‘idiotic’?
But for you to call Russia a “Eurasian mongrel horde” is not pro-white at all — you’re just expressing your narrow English petty nationalism against Russia in the same terms Britain slurred Germans a century ago.
He’s idiotic, because the numbers don’t work even at a cursory glance.
As for the Eurasian mongrel horde: just look at photos of Putin’s troops — Buryats, Tuvans, Chechens, mystery meat, and even a few white people. Shoigu, the Defense Minister who presides over the whole horde, is literally a Eurasian mongrel: Tuvan and Ukrainian, to be exact. This is literally a war between one of the whitest nations of Europe and a multiracial empire. This should be a no-brainer for the sort of people who read this website.
Russia has paid shills, plus duped TRS, AF, and Daily Stormer fanboys. The whole purpose of such ops is to sway dullards by giving them the impression that they are just joining a popular cause.
The face of the Russian invasion was killed. Take a a good look at the mugshot. This is the reality of the invasion and the reality of the Russian army of orcs.
Vladimir Andonov – Vaha the Executioner has been made good, definitely!
This has felt like such a forced perspective the entire time, and even if some parts of the Dissident Right are being made to be pro-Russia for whatever reason, it doesn’t make this calculus of Russia invading a ‘backfiring’ whatsoever. I don’t see how it’s even a restart of the Cold War. What are the two ideologies this time?
Who is suffering from inflation and shortages right now? Who has decoupled themselves from corporate globalism while also having a monopoly on energy pipelines? Who is effortlessly aligning the entire Third World right now, while also not being invaded by their bumper crop? That is a backfiring.
It seems like there could have been a better way of going about this than killing 50,000 Slavs, but it clearly harmed globalism and forced humility upon the West. Putin clearly knew what he was doing even if there were setbacks. That’s called contingency decades in the making. US intelligence somehow missed this even as Putin did this after every Olympics.
The Pyrrhic victory being won by Russia (against the even greater pyrrhic loss of Ukrainians) has never deterred them in any of their wars. This border dispute can be traced back to the 1954 civic nationalist gesture of the Soviet Union transferring Crimea to Ukraine, and was never the concern of anybody but Ukraine and Russia.
Western Europe and much of the former Eastern Bloc have indeed aligned behind the European Union and NATO, but it doesn’t change the fact that this war is not turning out the way they all said it would. Nor does it mean the newfound alliances actually mean anything beyond boondoggled virtue-signaling, as this romance is already starting to crack with Macron telling Zelensky to concede territory to Russia, which says it all. Putin is going to get away with it rather than be toppled by a liberal revolution or a palace coup. This is what happens in defeat. Partnerships turn on each other in any type of alliance in war, business, friendship, marriage or a courtroom.
NATO is proving itself to be a paper tiger, which was always just an American shell corporation with American planes and uniforms painted over and a few supplemental British troops. Since WWII, none of these pampered countries have had the stomach to fight Russia or any other country beyond slacktivism and occasionally changing their background handle from rainbow to gold-blue, or to whatever the cause de jour happens to be. That’s all it ever was and all it always is. Why would it have been different this time? I even said to a lot of Biden voters that this war would drag on long after these cheerleaders grew bored and move on. Russians will still be there doing whatever they have to.
Greg’s seething against Russia is so bad faith. We should support NATO/EU/US over Russia because Russia is a multiracial empire. Just please. If Russia is a “multiracial empire” than what exactly is the combined west today? I know Greg would say he is supporting Ukraine and not any of the former but that’s the bad faith I am talking about. You can’t separate supporting Ukraine without taking into account NATO/EU/US support for Ukraine but that is exactly what Gregg tries to do. It’s like when he was debating EMJ Jones and tried to side step the Jewish context to the war by saying “there are Jews on both sides” as if international Jewry in general being solidly behind Ukraine isn’t relevant to the conflict. Russians understand this conflict as being Russia against the west in general, not Ukraine specifically. You can go ahead and say the Russians are lying about that or something but it’s not the Russians fault that that is also exactly what the war appears to be. It’s Russia against all of Western Europe and the US and screaming “but if Russia wins the west will still be alive”111 is addressing a claim nobody has made. The point is Russia coming out on top in this war will weaken the combined west and be another sign that the oligarchy that controls the US and Europe is not invincible or infallible and their power is waning. If you think that is isn’t true than it’s on you to explain how a Russian victory won’t be relevant to anything going on outside of Ukraine and Russia.
i am just glad the war exposed all these traitors that will side with mongols and asiatics just because they are in impotant anger about a stupid rainbowflag somewhere.
A stupid rainbow flag somewhere? No. It is the religion of deviant sex. They worship what they do with their genitalia, their entire identity is wrapped around it and have “pride” in what they do to achieve orgasm. Now even that would be just sad and gross and I might not care of only the goal didn’t also include making me a hater if I don’t say that’s just great and my kids should be open to it and also celebrate it. When you realize you are not allowed to publicly have a different opinion you realize it’s more than a stupid rainbow flag somewhere.
Deviant sex? Rainbow flag?
Take a look at what the Psychopatic Russian soldiers do to each other.
Now, what to you think these psychopats do to civilians in an occupied territory?
Things look very much like jumping out from a pond straight into a pit. Not liking the rainbow propaganda? Let’s support an army of rapists.
If you don’t think the homos and trannies are an army of rapists you are delusional.
They don’t have nukes, tanks, cruise or ballistic missiles, nor trillions of dollars in stolen gold and mineral resources.
You are armed to teeth.
The gay propaganda started back time with Lenin and the Bolshevik revolution. Homosexuality was decriminalized in 1917, and reconfirmed in the Penal Code in 1922 and 1926. Such early and sudden care.
In 1999 Putin himself allowed the removing of homosexuality from the list of “mental disorders”. Such an early and sudden care.
Homosexuality in Russia was and is a huge problem. Imagine that Peter the “Great” had to forbid homosexual sex in the army since 1716. More than 300 years seems that the Russian army was an large army of gay rapists.
So, please stop deluding yourself while emitting snide remarks. It does no good.
And just to make this clear again; none of either sides in this debate realy supports their proclaimed faction in this war.
The ukrainian Army has different crowd funding projects, but unless you kick some money down their way you are not doing anything, like millions of basic bitch normie scum twitter accounts chaging their avatar colors for the current thing.
These people are just scum trying to go with what is popular, but the Z crowd is even worse, they are just stupid scum siding with something that further isolates them in society just out of spite. They don’t get anything out of it and either do they have to give anything.
This article is assuming that even in the event of a Russian victory that economically the US and Western Europe will be stronger relative to Russia when the war is over. As of now we are seeing Western Europe and the US decline relative to Russia and the war isn’t done yet. I see no reason whatsoever to share the authors assumption that this will reverse even in the case of a Russian win.
As for Sweden and Finland its quite simple, Russia would prefer to remove the Ukrainian armed forces as a NATO proxy army even that means Finland and Sweden joining NATO. Ukraine’s armed forces are more dangerous than Sweden and Finland combined and even if Ukraine isn’t officially a NATO member they are still very willing proxies. One thing some very pro Russian people do is degenerate the Ukrainian Army which is doing Russia a disservice. The fact is the Ukrainian Army at the beginning of this war was probably the best in Europe besides the French and taking them off table even if it leads to having Sweden and Finland in NATO is a good trade off.
This authors analysis isn’t very good and in places is outright laughable. He says if non NATO Ukraine repels the Russians or causes lots of casualties that it will make Eastern Europeans more confidant and assertive and maybe less likely to be US puppets. Well it’s the US funding this whole war on Ukraine’s side. The post Maidan Ukrainian Army is the best Army US dollars could buy and whatever success it achieves has to take that into account. If US lend less saved the USSR than it’s helping Ukraine in the current triply so.
Enjoy your laugh when you sit in a FEMA camp with a Z inked into your forehead.
Russia over the years since 1991 has developed into a multicultural mess, so it is more on the footing with NATO and the EU than the countries of Europe who are leaning to White Nationalism. Hungary comes to mind, though I haven’t looked up whether Hungary is in NATO or EU. The rest of Europe tolerates Hungary and its White Nationalist pathway, and I haven’t studied the situation in Ukraine before the invasion, but I did read that its population is about 95%+ White, so it is definitely worth defending any way we can.
I correspond with an English friend who speaks with a Ukrainian family with 2 kids, who are still there, because they can’t travel with their elderly relatives, and won’t leave them behind. They have daily horror stories for us, which places me squarely in their camp. I feel sure that everyday Russians have the same feelings for their nearest neighbors, as we would have for Canada in the same situation. Whites must hang together in this horrible war. I see Putin as totally immoral and unconcerned with White Russians or any Ukrainians, only his own self-aggrandizement.
We are both in EU and NATO. We aren’t tolerated but have the veto, and Orbán isn’t afraid to use it. We aren’t exactly White Nationalist, but that’s a long story. We are in the peace-nik group: immediate ceasefire, return to the negotiating table. (Just today Ukraine announced that there will be no peace talk until August. Someone – Boris Johnson? – probably offered them another big pile of weapons.)
Aren’t exactly? You aren’t White Nationalist at all. If a Macedonian will show up in your country and be like “Hey, you are white, I am white, so we are all part of the same country, right?”, you will laugh in his face before spitting in it. You are Hungarian nationalist.
This article gave me nine kinds of indigestion, beginning with the title: THE [one and only, absolutely unassailable] CORRECT VIEW of the war. Mr. A goes on to say, “Supporting Russia’s invasion necessarily entails taking [this exact geopolitical stance]. Now with some sophistry, some extrapolated assumptions, and a couple of non sequiturs I perforate your flawed reasoning. Gee, you’re dumb.”
The circular firing squad converged on the bait: “Russia good, NATO bad;” “Russia bad, NATO bad (but at least they are white, kinda sorta, if you squint just right).”
Previous comments demonstrate ample good faith reasons to support the Russian invasion, even excluding Mr. A’s (straw man) rationale. Whether one finds Putin’s actions justified or not may thus involve a host of reasons Mr. A has not considered, and the impact of this war (sorry, “special action”) on the retribalization of our Folk may play out by how well we can avoid allowing ourselves to be splintered by yet another ill-borne distraction.
Yes the article is wrong. Mr A is trying to accomodate irreconcilable things.
The correct stance is US/NATO/EU great, Ukraine heroic and Psychopatic Russian Empire just that – psychopatic leaders, people, state, army. Now you have a real motive for an indigestion.
A Japaneese toy company started to sell plastic Russian soldiers carrying their loot – everything after real life pictures. One soldier is carrying a dirty toilet, happily. This is the mightiest symbol of the Psychopatic Russian Empire.
The “correct” position on the Ukraine war is for the US to stay out. Let whites closest to and most knowledgeable about the area direct any resistance efforts. We can send some weapons, and especially humanitarian aid for displaced whites (and only whites – none for any of the Third World riff-raff that had found its way to Ukraine pre-invasion). Beyond this, US should remove its permanent troops from Europe. They have been there since 1945 primarily to intimidate “neo-fascists” (ie, patriots), and thereby prevent any indigenous uprisings against the Great Replacement (this has undeniably been the case post-USSR). US should also work to expel the non-European power of Turkey from NATO. And it should consider exiting NATO as well. I have for decades thought it would do the Europeans good to be forced to cover the entire cost of their own continental defense. It would promote inter-European unity, and perhaps even toughen up their peoples (as dependency, including the military kind, always enervates and degrades).
Comments are closed.
If you have Paywall access,
simply login first to see your comment auto-approved.
Note on comments privacy & moderation
Your email is never published nor shared.
Comments are moderated. If you don't see your comment, please be patient. If approved, it will appear here soon. Do not post your comment a second time.
Edit your comment