Will NATO Ruin Eastern Europe’s Demographics?James A.
There is an argument I hear from pro-Kremlin so-called nationalists all the time. It goes something like this: “If Estonia and other countries in Eastern Europe continue as NATO members, their demographics will be ruined . . . one day! You’re better off dealing with Russia!”
I will demonstrate why this argument is easily disproven when examined. I will use Estonia as an example, since I am Estonian and this argument would be directed at us, but the same is true for most, if not all, Eastern European countries.
First and foremost, these people always get so flummoxed when I inform them that Estonia has been a European Union and NATO member for 18 years, Poland has been in NATO for 23 years, and the general demographic makeup of these nations has not changed. Their usual response is: “You will be wrong . . . one day! Just you wait and see! It happened to America, therefore it will happen to Estonia and Poland!”
Russia did more harm to Estonian demographics in one month than NATO membership has done in 18 years.
In June 1941, the Soviet Union deported tens of thousands of Balts from their homelands to Gulags across the USSR. Over 50% of these people were women, as well as children under 16 years of age. There is nothing you can do to harm a nation’s demographics more than getting rid of their women and children. A man’s contribution to reproduction can be measured in minutes; a woman’s is a minimum of nine months, and closer to a year. This creates a bottleneck when a population loses too many of its women.
In Estonia, a total of roughly 21,000 people were deported (out of a total 1940 population of roughly 1.1 million), and in June 1941 alone over 10,000 were deported, with 7.000 of them being women and children. Remember, this is just the number of deportations. It does not include all the murders committed by the NKVD, Red Army, and so on as well.
As was the norm, when the local Eastern Europeans were deported, they were replaced with Russians. This is why Eric Striker’s incessantly repeated refrain of “the Soviet Union was 100% Jewish, stop blaming Russians for it” shtick rings so hollow in the ears of Eastern Europeans. Yes, the USSR was primarily a Jewish creation. However, when Eastern Europeans had their neighbors deported to gulags, they were not replaced with Jews, they were replaced with hammer-and-sickle-waving ethnic Russians who were sent there specifically because they were deemed more loyal to the Soviet project than the Europeans they were replacing.
To this day, Estonia has to deal with the Russian population that the Soviet Union forced into Estonia during the occupation. Before the USSR, Estonia was virtually 100% Estonian, with a small number of Finns, Latvians, and Germans here and there. There was also a very, very small number of Jews. In 1941, Estonia was the only country to be declared Judenfrei (Jewish-free) by Germany. Russia, however, not only settled tens of thousands of Russians there, but also brought a Jewish community to Estonia.
The worst thing that could happen to Estonia, demographically speaking, is to be conquered by the Asiatic nation of Russia, and the door subsequently being opened to tens of millions of Asiatic Muslims and Russians to move in and further dilute Estonian demographics. There is zero doubt that if Russia were to conquer Estonia, they would once again begin Russifying it. There are currently about one million Estonians in Estonia (roughly 30% of Estonia today is ethnic Russians), and being forced to share a national project with 150 million people, millions of whom are non-European and none being Estonian, would utterly ruin Estonian demographics and perhaps destroy the Estonian people and identity.
The best thing for Estonia’s demographics, as history has shown, is entering military alliances to keep Russia at bay.
The deportations of Estonians and forcible settling of ethnic Russians there is not the whole story of Estonian demographics under Soviet rule, however.
Estonians take great pride in the fact that that we were the first Eastern European nation to sign a victorious peace treaty with the USSR after the Estonian War of Independence in 1920, securing all of our national territory in the new nation-state of Estonia. The USSR was just as angry about it as we were proud, however, which is one of the reasons that, during the later Soviet occupation, even the children of Estonian veterans were targeted. In particular, the NKVD Destruction Battalions inflicted their characteristic Red Terror on Estonia.
Something Anglosphere “nationalists” brush over is that Vladimir Putin’s father served in the NKVD Destruction Battalions, which required a far more stringent ideological background check than was necessary to serve as a common soldier in the Red Army. The NKVD comprised Communist death squads, and to join their ranks, the Soviet government had to be sure that one was willing to murder European children in the name of Communism.
Yes, the source I am quoting is Wikipedia, since it’s the easiest source to link to in English. If you want a much more thorough and documented history of this, I encourage you to visit the Vabamu Museum of Occupations and Freedom in Tallinn, Estonia.
Thousands of people including a large proportion of women and children were killed, while dozens of villages, schools and public buildings were burned to the ground. A school boy, Tullio Lindsaa, had all bones in his hands broken then was bayoneted for hoisting the flag of Estonia. Mauricius Parts, son of the Estonian War of Independence veteran Karl Parts, was doused in acid. In August 1941, all residents of the village of Viru-Kabala were killed including a two-year-old child and a six-day-old infant. A partisan war broke out in response to the atrocities of the destruction battalions, with tens of thousands of men forming the Forest Brothers to protect the local population from these battalions. Occasionally, the battalions burned people alive. The destruction battalions murdered 1,850 people in Estonia. Almost all of them were partisans or unarmed civilians.
The Kautla massacre is another example of the destruction battalions’ actions, during which twenty civilians were murdered and tens of farms destroyed. Many of those killed had also been tortured. The low toll of human deaths in comparison with the number of burned farms is due to the Erna long-range reconnaissance group breaking the Red Army blockade on the area, allowing many civilians to escape.
Somehow, the most aggressively anti-Kremlin, pro-NATO countries in Europe are also the whitest. It’s almost as if entering a defensive military alliance does not impact your culture so long as you don’t let it.
NATO only cares about your military participation in the alliance. It’s the EU that’s the real problem, but even the EU is better than the Russian Federation, since pro-white organizations can operate more freely in the EU than in Russia.
Americans can’t help but project their own failures onto Eastern Europe. “Bro, it happened to us, therefore it will happen to you.”
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It’s strange to condemn Americans for their failures and then argue that allying with these very same failed Americans is a vital and uncompromising necessity for your national survival in the same article. If America is failing, for how long is it going to be able to protect you? Do you really think that a majority non-white US is going to be capable of continuing to maintain a global empire, let alone look after (or care about) Estonia’s security? How viable is a nation — or an entire region, if we’re speaking about the Baltics generally — that can’t stand up on its own?
What should really happen, from the point of an America first agenda, is that the US should stay completely uninvolved in all of these situations, which don’t benefit ordinary Americans in any way but only serve the interests of its elite. It’s not the place of America to act as the guardian of the rest of the world’s ethnicities — which isn’t why NATO exists, anyway, of course. And it’s of no use for Estonia and other European nations to send their people to die as mercenaries in neocon wars, as they did in Iraq, which is the price they have to pay for American protection.
Is any small nation “viable”?
Estonia is worth preserving!
By depending on the US, which even the author says is failing?
As Western Europe becomes more non-White so will it’s foreign policy, which means to say.. That its attitude towards homogeneous European nations will be considered an affront to a brown and black NWO. NATO is an extension of that power, the US and EU are its propagators. No one will be safe, only poverty and violent mob rule will stave off non-Whites from coming to Europe and it will probably force them to leave too!
Russian Communism has been the worst plague to hit the planet from 1917 onward, and still it raises its scaly head, now in Ukraine, after taking a much-needed breather in 1991, by seeming to ‘free’ its bedraggled satellite states. I studied Russian History at UCLA in the 1960’s and again at Univ. of Washington in 1987-8, reading the works of Solzhenitsyn and other scholars, seeking answers to all the horrors of the death camps — gulags, etc. — and I developed a lifelong hatred to the depth of my bones against Communism, Socialism, Marxism, and now their current reappearance as CRT and Woke nonsense in the U.S. They are my nonstop enemy, and I think they are the enemy of all the White race that had built all of Europe so beautifully. The above essay on Estonia just adds another cog to the wheel, and I am certain that any of the Eastern and Central European countries could add volumes more, along with the Balkans.
Even though I visited Russia in 1993 with Russian friends of mine in Seattle, and had a glorious ride on the Trans-Siberian, I have still to say it is remains a treacherous country not to be glorified by anyone.
The EU is indeed a malevolent force. The globalists running it want to mix up the Eastern European populations into the same multiracial mishmash that they created in Western Europe. This would be well under way if the Visegrad nations hadn’t been holding firm so far. However, NATO isn’t blameless. Basically it’s a Cold War artifact that’s no longer serving its intended purpose. I’d prefer not to have tens of thousands of our soldiers there.
As for the defensive needs of Eastern Europe, creating an Intermarum alliance would do quite well.
“However, when Eastern Europeans had their neighbors deported to gulags, they were not replaced with Jews, they were replaced with hammer-and-sickle-waving ethnic Russians”
Do we count as Eastern Europeans? 700,000 Hungarians, out of a population of 9,2 million, passed through the Gulags of the Soviet Union, of whom 300,000 died.
But there was no attempt to replace them. The Russians stayed in their army bases. The Hungarian state is one of the oldest continuous legal entities in Europe.
I understand your discomfort, being located 2 hours from Saint Petersburg. But renting out the territory of your country to the US military, or having Hungarian fighter jets patrol your air space is not a security policy.
East-Baltic countries have vested interests in hyping the Russian threat given their their strategic disadvantages. Geopolitically insignificant, neighbouring a great power, they have little room for autonomy. Said 2 hours from Petersburg are the reason why Russians treat those countries as “near abroad” (близкая заграница) and why they’ ll never allow them to do as they please. Even the biggest one of them- Lithuania, requires aerial patrol support from Poland among others within Baltic Air Policing. In 2011 they lost 50% of their training jets when one Albatros collided with French Mirage…
The main question here is: Are the benefits of being a NATO forward outpost and a buffer zone outweighing the costs of potential armed conflict and subsequent Russian occupation? There is a reason why security policies are often framed in absolute terms (either NATO or Russian yoke), it makes them easier to swallow by the public and give less consideration to worst-case scenarios. Few people from the West will bleed for Tallin, Riga and Vilinius. They’ll be needed on Oder river or in Finland if they get their wish of joining the NATO.
Obviously, the Baltic states don’t have to worry much about Russian aggression, and the Russians can’t treat them like Ukraine, because they now belong to NATO. Ukraine was invaded because it didn’t belong to NATO. NATO is a solution for Central and Eastern European security concerns vis-a-vis Russia. A European-only defensive pact would be a better solution, but the imbecile Putin’s invasion has made NATO so popular that an Intermarium bloc is further away than ever.
@ Greg Johnson
For the moment, Turkey has vetoed the latest membership bids.
But she too has been caught between a rock and a hard place.
If Erdogan gets whatever he wants and withdraws his veto, he risks Moscow’s wrath which could materialize on southern or eastern frontiers.
If he persists with his veto, he may have to deal with another military rebellion.
Turkey announced new military operation in Syria against the Kurds. I wonder if there were talks with Russia beforehand.
I hope we get out of NATO asap. I’d rather put my faith in the ability of the Hungarian political class to navigate in the coming storm than in an alliance which consists of nations with low quality leaderships.
Baltic countries have to worry if an open CSTO-NATO war blows up and they’ll become the battlefield.
European collective security organizations are better, however Intermarium was never intended as NATO-independent political alliance. It’d only add additional layer upon the atlantic structures.
roughly 30% of Estonia today is ethnic Russians
0% non-white births
Haha, don’t you know that the Russians are Mongols?
Liberalism will kill Estonia as assuredly as Russia will, albeit perhaps in a slower and more insidious way. There are already small immigrant communities in Tallinn, I spoke to Martin Helme leader of the EKRE about this. The problem will only grow.
One only has to look at Tartu and Tallinn universities and their promotion of foreign nationals. Assuming Russia doesn’t invade, Estonia can rapidly be transformed into a non-white country, as has been evidenced by a state like Ireland.
The EKRE is already turning on a dime because of the security situation. Helme is now a radical supporter of Israel, and the party has allowed Ukrainian refugees simply because to reject them is to out of step with Estonian national opinion.
“The problem will only grow” unless it is stopped.
As always, those who wish to stop such things are subject to many false turns, such as the de facto coup that occurred in Estonia in 2021 to oust Martin Helme and the EKRE from government.
There is a mistake in the graph
Non european births does not equal non-white births. There are also White American, White Australian and White Canadian births that are counted as non european.
True, but how many such people are in Europe?
Military-political control of Europe and Germany in particular, is one of the chief axioms of post- WWII american imperial policy. To that extent NATO exists both as a police force (since Yugoslav Wars) and a wedge between the western Europe and Russia. Strategy-wise it makes more sense to shift most assets to East- and South-China Seas’ basins now (among other areas), but as history teaches us, empires have hard time shifting major focus, especially in the late stage. President Obama’s Russian Reset and JCPOA were early signs of such rapprochement, that ultimately got buried in the sands of Syria and Ukrainian steppe.
In the end both Persians and Eastern Romans had fallen to islamic upstarts, who went on to create their own empires. We will see where the next graveyard will be set.
As long as we remain in the EU in its current form, we are basically doomed as distinct White nations. Estonia is very White now, but how long will it stay this way? Not for very long, I’m afraid. The direction for every EU country is national extinction and replacement migration. Of course, it will first happen in the West, but it will happen here, too.
No, that’s just not true. Societies like Poland and Hungary are pushing back against the worst traits of the EU, as are the Baltic states. I am sure they would welcome an ally in the form of an EU Ukraine someday.
Those “worst traits” are the core values of the EU, it will not give them up just because 1 or 2 Eastern European governments have some objection. They’ll wait, finance the opposition, use blackmail, the justice system, etc and eventually they’ll get a pro-EU, progressive government even in Poland and Hungary. The only solution for us Eastern Europeans is to exit the EU. Yes, that would bring other risks, but there is no chance of long term survival in the EU.
I sincerely do not understand how any White nationalist or anyone interested in the survival of distinct European nations can support EU membership. EU is the most anti-White organization that ever existed.
The Baltic states will return to Russia (where they historically belong) when the Zionist Anglo-American empire collapses. they will also continue to be 99.99% white.
Solzhenitsyn’s Ivan Denisovich never met a bad Estonian. I think once western Europe becomes saturated with non-Europeans, the flood will move to the east. Greece according to the map has only 3% foreign births, and this must be due to the fact that the migrants always move North and west as Greece doesn’t have much to offer.
The author’s argument of Jewish elites in the Soviet era not having flooded Estonia with Jews is an odd one. Nobody in the west is accusing elites of flooding their countries with their own kind, that is neither here nor there.
Anyway, thank you for the enlightenment on Estonia, as many of us are woefully ignorant of the tiny Baltic states, and it astounds me how many distinct peoples there are on the continent! I always appreciated Jared’s reporting on Estonia and even enjoyed one of his guest speakers from that country at AmRen .
God Bless and keep the Estonian people.
Cool map. I imagine a lot of the non-whites in Hungary, Slovakia, and the Czech Rep are gypsies, who are basically intermediate between white and South Asian. (see link) https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Ancestry-of-Roma-people-from-Romania-A-Principal-component-analysis-of-Roma-ROM-from_fig1_345174576
Didn’t know there were so many gypsies in those countries. It’s even more unsettling to see Bulgaria and Romania have that many non-whites. Still, even western Europe is not as far up the creek demographically as the US.
Regarding your actual thesis, I don’t know much about the conflict but am increasingly beginning to wish it never happened.
Ukraine gave up its nukes in 1994 after the disbanding of the Soviet Union in 1991. If they still had their nukes and/or created new ones, this war wouldn’t be happening. They wouldn’t need to ally with NATO or Russia.
Belarus just dropped its pledge to be non-nuclear in 2022 after it gave up nukes in the same manner as Ukraine following the end of the Soviet Union. If Eastern European nations want to deter Russian military invasion and be fully independent of NATO and the EU, then they would need to get their own nukes. In my opinion, they should all drop their non-nuclear status, get nukes, and try to stay updated on the technology. Untrammeled national self determination depends on ethnic solidarity, ethnic homogeneity, and sufficiently advanced nukes to deter invasion.
Anyway all member countries have voluntarily joined the NATO, because they all were (and are) afraid of the Russian imperialism (75 years masked as Communism), and when somebody wanted to leave the NATO, they would not be bombed. The French under de Gaulle have left the military organisation of NATO, and there was no military aggression against France. Yes, there were political and economical pressures, but B52s have not bombed Paris and the 82nd Airborne has not landed in Fountainbleu. Just compare this situation to Warsawian Pact, where all Eastern European countries were forced into the block and any try to get out of it were suppressed with more (Hungary) or less (CZ) blood.
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