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In my last essay, I discussed my distaste for spergery about the Second World War. As I was writing it, there’s one argument that I thought to address but then didn’t for reasons of narrative flow. But on second thought, I believe this argument deserves its own piece, because it is relevant to events that are unfolding across the world.
The key to understanding Nazi fetishism is to know that it is a kind of fandom. You cannot understand the Nazi fetishist if you try to examine him through an ideological lens. They are like fans of Lord of the Rings or Star Wars: They have all these cool, badass characters and loads of esoteric lore to sperg out on (“You won’t believe the indignities the German people had to suffer when the French occupied the Ruhr valley!”). They’ll quote things their favorite Nazi said as if they are quoting a line from their favorite movies: “Gradually, I began to hate them!” and “The X is immunized against all dangers.” They’re like Trekkies. It’s all very fanboyish.
I don’t begrudge a man his simple pleasures, but I do resent it when people try to shoehorn their hobby into their activism, or worse, try to turn the avowal of their hobby into some kind of litmus test for pro-white activism, or worse, accusing you of being a cuck if you are not openly pro-Hitler. Most people who engage in these things use anonymous accounts, and therefore have nothing to lose by being openly pro-Hitler. But there some who will say that you are not truly pro-white if you are not constantly singing the praises of Hitler in public. It’s like if I tried to combine my love of classic movies with white Nationalism and accused others of not being pro-white if they don’t think Marlene Dietrich was a superior actress to Greta Garbo (which is true, by the way).
There is an argument that I frequently hear Nazi fetishists make, however, which holds that not only is talking about Nazis all the time strategic, but that it is in fact a necessary prerequisite to saving the white race. The argument goes that the Second World War and the Holocaust form the founding mythos of the post-war liberal order. The fable of Hitler and the evil Nazis is integral to the neoliberal state religion that is dominant across the West. Nazi = Bad, and if you oppose white genocide, you are a Nazi — and therefore Bad. If anyone comes around try to stop the decay, he’s Hitler — and Bad. As such, we cannot defeat the liberals until we destroy the idea that Nazi = Bad. If most people stopped thinking that Nazis are bad, it would render ZOG’s guilt-tripping weapons powerless, and the whole neoliberal paradigm that is built atop those lies will come crumbling down. The white race therefore cannot survive without doing this, and thus it is absolutely necessary that we ramble on about Hitler 24/7.
You can buy Alain de Benoist’s Ernst Jünger between the Gods and the Titans here.
Now, I really don’t care what anyone thinks on the matter of Hitler. I’m not here to argue that Hitler was a bad guy. My objections to Nazi spergery are mostly strategic. It’s just not a hill worth dying on.
For one, Second World War revisionism is long a conversation. You can explain the gist of race realism in about ten minutes to a newcomer, but it takes quite a bit longer to explain that Hitler was really the good guy. People have made ten-hour-long videos going through and debunking every little piece of the mainstream narrative about the war. So, unless you have a captive audience for most of the day in which you can lay everything out and explain why Hitler and the Nazis were not in fact evil, nothing can be gained from bringing up the war or the Holocaust in conversation with newcomers.
Secondly, I don’t think our enemies invoke the war and the Holocaust as much as people say — certainly not as often as Nazi fetishists talk about them. Sure, they do it sometimes, but honestly, I think y’all just like talking about Nazis.
Third, the power of the Holocaust mythos appears to be dying on its own from natural causes, anyway. A year ago, the argument that the Second World War is the founding myth of the post-war order seemed plausible, but after the events of October 7, we’ve seen Jews and Zionists play the Holocaust card repeatedly in the most cynical ways — but to no avail. It’s gotten to the point where even Leftists, who fervently believe in the mainstream Holocaust narrative about six million bars of soap, will roll their eyes at their insincere invocation of the Holocaust card and reply, “The fact of the Holocaust does not give Israel the right to commit human rights atrocities.” They feel no need to exonerate Hitler in order to stand up to Zionist power.
Some Leftists even take it a step further and say that the Holocaust makes what Israel is doing to the people of Gaza worse, because having been the victims of racial oppression themselves, they should be more sensitive to the victimization of others. The Jews can’t claim to not know what being racially victimized feels like, so that actually gives them a greater moral responsibility than if the Holocaust hadn’t happened.
Even more curious is that some Jews have actually been downplaying the severity of the Holocaust in order to play up the wickedness of the October 7 attack. In a discussion with Candace Owens, Michael Barclay, a prominent American rabbi, described October 7 as “the worst event in recorded history.” There’s also a Zionist talking point floating around which contends that Hamas is more evil than the Nazis, because the Nazis at least had enough shame to try to cover up their crimes, whereas Hamas is unapologetically genocidal. So Jews themselves are now saying that the Holocaust was not the worst event ever anymore!
Some of this may have been the result of the dissident Right’s efforts, but I think much of it is simply the passing of time. I’m part of Generation X, and almost everyone in my generation had a grandparent who took part in the Second World War in some capacity. There were a few occasions throughout my youth when veterans of the war came to my school to discuss their wartime adventures. Saving Private Ryan had a big impact on my generation, as it showed us that our grandparents went through horrible things such as were depicted in the film — or at least could have. My own grandfather lucked out and got a cushy job guarding a weather station in North Africa, but he could have ended up on the beaches of Normandy had the winds of fortune blown in a different direction. It used to bum me out that my grandfather never took part in any of the cool battles, but now that I am older, I am proud that my grandpa took no part in the bloodshed. But I digress.
My point is that even half a century after the end of the Second World War, my generation still felt a deep connection to it through our elders. The average teenager today has probably never met a Second World War vet. If his grandparents fought in any war, it was most likely Vietnam or the Gulf War. The Second World War is as distant to someone in high school today as the First was to me when I was in high school — and it felt like forever. Talking about the Holocaust to today’s kids would be akin to what discussing zeppelin raids and mustard gas attacks with me as a teenager would have been like. Cool story, bro, but it doesn’t hit me on a gut level because, as the saying goes, “the past is a foreign country” — and the world which fought that war was like an alien planet to me, compared to the world I lived in.
Of course, because of the massive Overton window shift of late, there will be more Second World War revisionism floating around. There has certainly been an uptick in Holocaust revisionism and Nazi apologetics on Twitter/X, including on some big accounts, such as that of Jake Shields with 650,000 followers. Whether these new converts to revisionism will take their Second World War spergery to the levels of those Alt Right spergs who learned German just so that they could read Mein Kampf in the original, I don’t know. But going forward, those who do so will be flogging a dead horse.
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“nothing can be gained from bringing up the war or the Holocaust in conversation with newcomers.”
Well of course you don’t start a conversation about the lack of Prussian blue staining on the shower walls with a complete noob but at some point once they understand the basics you move on to the more forbidden content.
I myself started with the race realism stuff then transitioned to the JQ.
If someone wants to jabber about the “Nazis” to you – how horrible they were – how do you have any sort of discussion without mentioning what was going on next door to Germany, ie, in eastern Europe? They are hardly separate topics.
We allied the Russians after their Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact with Germany, and by certain accounts initiated the invasion of Poland several days before the Wehrmacht. We only declared war on half the invaders, the invasion being the cause. Russian executions and starvation of innocent people range from 4-60 million. As for our own skeletons, I won’t get into it now.
Well, if you go out on the street with a portrait of Hitler, whether on a leaflet or on your T-shirt, you will be punished by law or, in any case, you will be subjected to moral condemnation. If you go out with an image of Lenin, Stalin, Mao Zedong or Che Guevara, not only will nothing happen to you, but you will probably even be greeted with approving glances. Despite the fact that these guys killed no less people than Hitler, and Stalin and Mao Zedong definitely more. And the idiot Warhol painted a portrait of Mao, which brought him a lot of money and popularity, but what would have happened if he or some another artist had painted a portrait of Hitler or even a much less bloody right-wing dictator like Franco or Pinochet?
You can ignore History but History is not going to ignore you.
I fail to see the point of this. It sounds like Libertarian spergery.
But if it does come up, about the only thing that Kosher Revisionism accomplishes is that Jews begrudingly will send some money to keep your tea party on the Reservation. How’s that working out for David Irving, Mark Weber, and David Cole?
Also, most people are not competent to discuss the Big-H and that includes many Revisionists, notably Fred Leuchter.
About the only thing you need to know was coined by the late Revisionist and Columbia-educated engineer Fritz Berg:
Nazi Gassings Never Happened!
Nobody (or almost nobody) asks questions about whether Churchill and Roosevelt were bad guys. Why is that?
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“Why is that?”
“The Forced War” David L. Hoggan 1961 will answer that question with its 700 pages all exposing what led to September 1, 1939. A totally unnecessary war for the West while the threat was Bolshevism. Who writes history? Winners.
Thank you for this suggestion. I’ve put it on my reading list along with Buchanan’s “Unnecessary War.”
WW2 had to be fought, not for the Jews but for the white race. It was the intention of the Nazis to exterminate, enslave or deport to Siberia entire nations. Poles, Czechs and Slovenes, Russians, Ukrainians and Belorussians, Lithuanians, Latvians and Estonians, were all destined for oblivion except for those individuals sufficiently Nordic to be deemed worthy of Germanisation (losing their countries and national identities in the process. Even the Scandinavians, Dutch and Flemings were to suffer this latter fate.
Saving these peoples was certainly seen at the time as a principal object of the war. That it ended with the whole of Eastern Europe under Bolshevik tyranny was a terrible irony, but it may have been a blessing in disguise; the deep freeze of communist rule saved them from some of the worst consequences of western decadence. Now, in turn, it is just possible that the ideas that will save us will come from Eastern Europe.
But the truth is that WW2 was never going to have a good outcome.
“It was the intention of the Nazis to exterminate, enslave or deport to Siberia entire nations. Poles, Czechs …”. What nonsense, firstly Siberia is in the USSR, .
Never mind, I won’t even bother to explain.
Some people need to do some research.
Comrade Stalin killed, deported to Siberia and let die thousands of White and not so White peoples, incl. also Poles and Jews after the annexion of Galychyna (Kresy), of Roumanians after the annexation of Besarabia, and Estonians, Latvians and Lithuanians after Baltic annexations. He and his gang killed with artificially created famine millions of Qazaqs, Ukrainians, Kossaks, North Caucasians, Uzbeks, et. al. And this was BEFORE the war, and DURING the war, and AFTER the war. But only Hitler is bad, but Stalin is not, or at least he is much better. And the US and UK built plants for Stalin, sold and leased him weapons and technolgies, and gave him over thousands of former Soviet citizens and even citizens of Russian Empire and Russian Republic after the war to be sent to GULAG.
Frederick Dixon wrote:
No, it wasn’t.
And it wasn’t even a priority at the end of the war with the Allied propaganda trials at Nuremberg, which were mostly about “Aggressive War” and “Conspiracy” against the Peace.
War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity were more minor claims, but due to salaciousness and not looking at the military or wartime situation tu quoque or in fair context, society has come to put more emphasis on bawdy atrocities as time marches on. That is why Deborah Lipstadt sees what she calls “Holocaust Denial” as obscene and defamatory.
Most people had never even heard the term “Holocaust” in any context other than a big fire or nuclear war until the 1978 NBC TV miniseries Holocaust. I did find a rare early reference to the term in the Manchester Guardian from 1968, and the idea meant a burnt offering to the Gods and consumed in whole. The idea was that the Jews were a “sacrifice” for Israel or whatever, or until the sleeping American giant woke up to save the civilized world.
That is why Prescott Bush, the father and grandfather of two Presidents is considered a baddie by Liberal journos today since he had some benign trade or financial dealings with Germany before the United States entered the war.
Now the Big-H is the entire focus of WWII and even History itself. There are laws attempting to reinforce this. Not all Jews are happy with the propaganda emphasizing what I call an “ecumenical” Holocaust where every non-blond and blue-eyed Gentile devil gets gassed too. But the more “generous” the Big-H in scope, the more the idea tends to undervalue the uniqueness of the WWII Jewish drama.
I agree that WWII was not going to end well, but the Germans actually tried to avoid it.
Nobody was Gassed!
That is the crucial pillar of salt. And ultimately it can’t be ignored.
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I need to read more of the archives and some of the many books I bought, but at least I don’t believe this colossal pile of bullshit. Commied that up hard bro.
The reality is – Britain could not help nor did it care about Poland, it used Poland as a pretext for war against Germany. By 1945 Britain had lost its Empire & was broke, making its last war debt payment in 2006. Germany did not seek its land back that was taken from Germany after WWI & given to France (Alsace-Lorraine). However, everybody agreed (except Poland) that Danzig was German, hence, its people wanted to be with Germany (plus Poles were attacking Germans). German Chancellor Adolf Hitler was so generous that he told Poland they can keep the Corridor (more German territory this time on its Eastern end that was given to Poland after WWI) that Germany must have Danzig back & he wanted to build a highway & train track so Germans can commute to its eastern territory. Poland flatly refused any negotiations with Germany. Of course, Neville Chamberlain’s war guarantee to Poland on March 31, 1939 served to emboldened Poland. And, THAT was the plan to force Germany into invading Poland to rescue & stop the attacks on Germans in Danzig & in Poland.
Britain was no match to Germany; Britain needed France. No France no war. Germany, France, Italy did not have serious issues against each other to wage war. It was Britain that was pushing for war, with USA behind it. French Foreign Minister Bonnet was against war, but, France buckled under the pressure from Britain.
What a waste when the threat was all along communism – & still is.
Britain could not help nor did it care about Poland
No state cares about any other state. Did white nationalist favourite state Nazi Germany care about Poland or any other European state? No.
it used Poland as a pretext for war against Germany
Yet, strangely, Britain (and France) did not start madly attacking Germany after the invasion of Poland. Strangely, they did not use Hitler’s blatant abrogation of the Sudetenland agreement to declare war. I mean if Poland was just an excuse wouldn’t they have also used Czechoslovakia as a pretext for war or even Austria before that? Obviously Britain was trying to avoid or at the very least delay war. Whereas Hitler made it clear that Germany’s destiny involved conquering white countries to the east. (At least the British & French only conquered non-white countries).
By 1945 Britain had lost its Empire & was broke,
That could arguably be a result of a war Germany started, no? Or…the British Empire may well have been on its last legs anyway.
Incidentally, did invading Poland work out any better for Germany? If as all American white nationalists claim losing the Empire was proof Britain shouldn’t have participated in the war then why don’t they draw similar conclusions about the decision of Hitler to invade white countries like Poland? Maybe he shouldn’t have been so ambitious, now his country is a joke, whereas it was the dominant power in Europe before picking an unnecessary fight with Poland, Britain, & France.
Germany did not seek its land back that was taken from Germany after WWI & given to France (Alsace-Lorraine).
Oh boy. I’ll bet you call yourself a white nationalist. Maybe the French aren’t really white or something.
However, everybody agreed (except Poland) that Danzig was German, hence, its people wanted to be with Germany (plus Poles were attacking Germans). German Chancellor Adolf Hitler was so generous that he told Poland they can keep the Corridor (more German territory this time on its Eastern end that was given to Poland after WWI) that Germany must have Danzig back & he wanted to build a highway & train track so Germans can commute to its eastern territory
Germany wished to build an empire in the east. No one denies this. Poland would’ve been a vassal state. They, like any self-respecting state, resisted just as they did when the Soviets invaded two decades earlier. Germany becoming an empire was deemed a threat by much of Europe, not just Poland and Britain, maybe being an empire isn’t such a great thing. Have you read Greg Johnson’s new book?
It was Britain that was pushing for war, with USA behind it
The joint British-American invasion of Europe started it all!
At the end of the day, there are some facts, some truths that are undeniable:
It was Britain/France that declared war & attacked Germany. Hitler did not want a conflict with the West; here are 3 minimum proofs:
1-Britain bombed Germany first & multiple times before Germany responded.
2-At Dunkirk Germany could have taken them all as POWs, instead Hitler let the allies go back to Britain.
3-May 10, 1941 Rudolf Hess solo flight on a mission of peace failed because Churchill refused any peace offers. Churchill imprisoned Hess for the rest of his life, he died in 1987.
Churchill refused all of Hitler’s peace offers. The British people along with the people of the Allies were lied to.
England today hasn’t a drop of Nationalism with at least 6 cities minority English, Miss England 2021 not English, PM not English, etc. Spain, Italy, Germany represented Nationalism. In the aggregate, destroying Nationalism may not have been a good idea.
Many people deny Germany wanted to build an empire in the East. The whole topic of negotiation between the German and Polish governments was building a corridor and allowing the city of Danzig to be returned to Germany. It’s all in the historical record. In fact, many historians believe the Poles were about to agree to the corridor when the Brits intervened and made their war guarantee (a little similar to Johnson’s guarantee to the foolish Ukrainians). There is a very strong possibility that the Germans and Poles would have become allies against the expansive Soviets if peace could have been reached. And no, I’m not a National Socialist or a Hiltlerite.
Alsace-Lorraine were originally GERMAN lands, Elsaß und Lothringen, and their population were Germans (also there were many German Jews), also, France has even less rights to these territories than Argentina has to the Falkland Isles.
https://ihr.org/other/unknownwarriorsdevlin
“British WWII Veterans: Unhappy with what’s become of the country they fought for.”
Institute for Historical Review.
Britain and America sold Poles to the USSR, just like America a little later sold the Chinese to Mao Zedong. The Western allies fought against one “tyranny”, but for another tyranny.
Great points all around. The Holocaust losing its emotional impact is definitely an historic event for Americans. A year ago, none of us could have imagined this turn of events. I agree it’s mainly a generational thing rather than a result of promoting the JQ. Not to get into the Boomer-bashing, but it seems like the big reverence towards Jews is mostly coming from them, and they’re aging out.
Of course this means we can’t be as fixated on the holocaust either, and a certain percentage of White Nationalists will disappear.
Media Zionists will say anything to maintain their position as apex victims.There must never be a good reason for gentile actions against Jews.
Holocaustianity is the state religion of ZOGAE, with new hymns written and new temples being built all the time. It’s demons have extended from ‘evil Nazis’ to Germans to all Aryans. Demonstrating to those over thirty-five, and to sensitive younger people who have been hooked by the propaganda, the lies of this pervasive anti-White story still seems worthwhile. The legendary Russian pogroms were a massive beat up as well.
Whites have all the diversity we need, and that also goes for our forms of government.
Our goal for survival is not a wide scale acceptance of revisionism and fascism, but to secure pro-white and anti-ZOG states.
Don’t make people feel like they have to give up on democracy to make this happen, that’s another debate best saved for much later.
What Israel is doing now, essentially just by existing, is all the fuel needed to power the JQ (and from thence RR) from a fresh and concise perspective.
“How will my country be great/better without Zionism?” That’s the key question.
It’d be great of there was some way to prove that Bolsheviks were manufacturing the animosity between Poles and Germans but as far as I can see that isn’t really what happened.
Because the animosity was instigated rather by the British ruling elites, which wanted to use this conflict to liquidate German rival.
I agree that White Americans or any remaining Whites in the Anglo-sphere should wake up every day obsessed with re-fighting the Second World War from the losing German and German allied side. Also, we (White men) should try to live, think, dress in the here and now – North American year 2024, not dress and act like it’s 1931 in Germany. NS Germany worked, was successfully in the late 1920s and 1930s because it was a movement that did think, speak, dress and act IN TIME, in their specific place – Germany and Austria. NS German movement wouldn’t have ever accomplished much, won anything that matter if the activists woke up everyday thinking, speaking, dressing and acting like gay French Napoleonic soldiers or some other foreign, nostalgic outfits, costumes. That said, IMO we should defend the honor and true history of our people, our related people from all once White countries, societies including NS Germany 1920-1945, same as with White Rhodesia, White ruled South Africa, once nice White cities like my Chicago – the majority White city that “Used to Work”. The 6 Million Gassed Jews Holocaust Myth/Cult (It is a fundamentalist religious myth, founding myth like the similar Je* centric myths of the Old Testament Bible – the Book of Esther, the Parting of the Red Sea in Exodus. How was it scientifically possible, true unbiased history for the Je*s “God’s Chosen People” to run across the bottom of the Red Sea after the J tribal God Jehovah parted the Red Sea to help his Chosen people escape the Evil Egyptians (definitely not God’s Chosen People). Why didn’t the Js have any problems with mud.
How come nobody else during this time wrote about this AMAZING event? It must have been a busy news day. How about that “Passover Myth”? Js go on their roofs to paint some secret J sign that Je*s live under this roof so again that brutal J tribal God Jehovah will “Passover” and not kill the first born male child underneath like Jehovah was doing to the Egyptian houses. IMO The 6 Million Gassed Je*s Holocaust Story is a fundamentalist religious myth.
It’s all true Because: ”IT IS TRUE – SAME AS THE BIBLE IS ALL TRUE”
Anybody that dares say, write or even THINK any small part of the official 6 Million Gassed Je*s story/myth is: ”A HOLOCAUST DENIER” ”An Unbeliever”
“A Religious Heretic” And such religious heretics will be persecuted, same as any White person questioning the official religious authorities who insisted the earth was flat back in the Middle Ages. So my point is: Yes, we should counter these dishonest lies regarding “The Holocaust” that are used to libel our White European/Western People everywhere – same as it’s being done to the Palestinians. Israeli President Benj Netanyahoo a real “Yahoo” tried to make a revision of the official 6 Million Gassed Jews Myth/Story a few years back when he argued that Hitler and the NS Germans didn’t really want to kill, exterminate all the Je*s in Europe, just want to relocate them out of Europe to then British ruled Palestine but the Palestinian Grand Mufti Islamic Leader talked Adolf Hitler out of it, and make AH kill the Jews, so really the Palestinian Arabs are now more to blame for the Holocaust. David Cole at Taki Mag wrote about this: ”Give Me Back My Holocaust”.
But various, German leaders, White British and American leaders responded a definitely NO That it was the Germans and really all White European, British, American Gentiles who are guilty of the Holocaust as we’re all born with the original sin of RACISM, Anti Semitism etc. So Benji Netenyaho and the Israeli Js in Israel and International Js went back to the drawing board to come up with new ways to ethnically cleanse the Palestinians and continue mind enslaving, tax harvesting us White Goyim in USA, Germany, Europe, UK etc. Wow, I said a lot there.
“I agree that White Americans or any remaining Whites in the Anglo-sphere should wake up every day obsessed with re-fighting the Second World War from the losing German and German allied side.”
You agree with that? That’s the opposite of what he wrote.
Indoor Voice
April 13, 2024 at 3:35 am
“I agree that White Americans or any remaining Whites in the Anglo-sphere should wake up every day obsessed with re-fighting the Second World War from the losing German and German allied side.”
You agree with that? That’s the opposite of what he wrote.
I respond:
Sorry that was a typo:
It should have read:
“I agree that White Americans or any remaining Whites in the Anglo-sphere should NOT wake up every day obsessed with re-fighting the Second World War from the losing German and German allied side.”
Mea Culpa
Please re-read the rest of my comment, I think you should understand what I was trying to get at that yes, it’s important to refute the lies, slander, religious guilt tripping, “Original Sin” of Whites being Anti Semite Evil Racists”
But…
We have to focus on the here and now where we live and not live in the past, try to refight lost wars like World War II from the German and German allied losing side.
Sorry again for the typo.
See I noticed that too and I just realized he had made a typo.
It is called Waving the Bloody Shirt and it will inevitably come up whether Zoomers have any kind of historical literacy or not.
The Holocash spigot is showing no signs of running dry. There are Holocaust memorials in all fifty states and more are on the way. Even Boise, Idaho has an Anne Frank memorial that Rabbis ─ I meant White Supreemists ─ vandalize from time to time with good “human rights” publicity generated.
CNN just reported today that Germany will be sending “Holocaust Survivors” in Israel a fat paycheck to cover their emotional distress from the October 7th Hamas attacks.
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This week Germany is arguing against the accusation brought by Nicaragua at the International Court of Justice (Germany now being the 2nd largest supplier of weapons to Israel), but Germans are questioning their country’s unwavering support for Israel.
This is all true but the writing is on the wall. The Holocaust really is losing its salience and building more memorials isn’t going to reverse the trend, I don’t think.
That is probably true, but historians can still be put into jail for saying or investigating the wrong things. And it ain’t Flat Earth Theory that the System is worried about.
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I agree that the Holocaust is becoming increasingly irrelevant the further back it recedes into history. It also seems extremely trite and hypocritical for Jews to drag it out as they proceed to violate all international norms while ethnically cleansing the Palestinians, bomb humanitarian convoys, etc. However, even if it is becoming less relevant for depoliticized or apolitical “normie” people, that hardly means it no longer matters or is irrelevant. Like you cited in this article, the Jews regularly appeal to the Holocaust as justification for everything they impose on Europeans, from self-sacrificial support of Israel to justifying multiculturalism and replacement migration. It also remains highly relevant to the political savants, pundits, and policymakers who regularly cite the Holocaust as the justification for the decisions they make throughout the West. I’d agree that the Holocaust isn’t the be-all and end-all of pro-white politics, but with that said, I see no reason why we should leave the Jews’ golden calf alone?
One additional reason that the Holocaust has become less relevant that you do not consider is precisely due to the the efforts of people like Jake Shields who have been amplifying revisionism on social media platforms like Twitter and TikTok. Many young people don’t just dismiss the Holocaust because it’s ancient history, but because they’ve seen TikToks talking about wooden doors, bears and eagles, etc. “The Nazis froze your great grandfather and then shattered him into thousands of pieces like in a Looney Tunes episode? Cool story, bro. If it’s so true, then why is it a criminal offense to dispute it in Western countries?”
Revisionists scholars and researchers like Mark Weber, Ron Unz, Carlo Mattogno, and Germar Rudolf are hardly sperg Nazi larpers, and neither were they “flogging a dead horse” by undermining the Jews’ ultimate cultural bludgeon against European self-determination. I’d say the work of these revisionists and anybody who has amplified revisionist messages to millions of young people on Twitter and TikTok have done far more good for Europeans than writing articles arguing against the merits of disputing the Holocaust. The Holocaust is becoming less relevant because people can hardly take it seriously after its narrative has been so thoroughly pilloried by two decades of free speech on the internet. This is obviously important to the Jews because they are constantly freaking out about the need to censor revisionist content on the internet and ensure Holocaust education is inserted into every school curriculum.
Finally, one reason that the National Socialist movement gained steam was because Germans were sick and tired of being guilted and blamed for crimes they did not commit during the First World War under the Treaty of Versailles. Why would it be disadvantageous to dismantle the narrative that is used to impose guilt upon Europeans that is regularly used by their enemies to justify their continual disenfranchisement and oppression? Should we also stop disputing leftist bullshit about colonialism and slavery because it’s “no longer relevant?”
Do not dispute the enemy’s lies. Fantastic strategy.
Germar Rudolf.
It is interesting, that the article by Germar Rudolf Give Me Freedom of Speech or the World Will End is now nonexistent in the Web, because the site inconvenienthistory.org, where it was published, is closed. Only its RUSSIAN translation still exists.
CODOH and related sites suffered some severe sabotage over the holidays but Germar Rudolf and some volunteers are bringing everything back Online here: https://codoh.com/
The forum is lower priority but is on track for restoration, including the archives. In the meantime, CODOH users are welcome to use RODOH, which likewise suffered a catastrophic failure a few years ago when our webmaster was imprisoned in Sweden on an eight-year sentence after making the only backup. Hopefully the archives can be restored one day. We have operated since 2003.
Anyway, much of Inconvenient History content has already been restored, including my modest materials published in the defunct Journal of Historical Review and the Revisionist, the later of which ceased when Germar was sent to prison in Germany back in 2005.
As long as people can be tossed into prison for Thoughtcrime, no White Nationalist is safe. Mr. Rudolf has never “trivialized” anyone’s suffering.
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On the Inconvenient History I liked some articles of John Wear, former bookkeeper and amateur historian, but these could have been found also on his own site. I do not know if this website still exists. Of Wear’s articles anyway I liked more the about Stalin’s aggressive war plans, and not about the H-st.
Wow, imprisoned for 8 years for holocaust denial, or for actual criminal charges? That’s a longer sentence than one would receive for violent crimes in the Scandinavian countries! You could get out of jail for murder in 13 years. That’s what I think is so interesting about holocaust revisionism. Could there be any stronger testament to the truth of Jewish power?
It is hard to read the case, and Web just kind of disappeared on us without warning. But we tracked down his family and his elderly father said that he was railroaded. The actual charges were “attempted murder” after getting into a fight. Funny how he was the only one who was injured. I don’t think it helped him that he managed Rightwing websites.
In any case, extra caution is warranted if one is doing anything “dissident,” even if not illegal.
Germar Rudolf, however, did nothing other than examine some historical problems as a scientist. Certain powers-that-be did not like his findings. One has to be very careful because even the legal counsel can be charged with political crimes or Thoughtcrimes if they actually defend their clients. Truth is apparently not a defense.
It was claimed that publisher Ernst Zündel was a terrorist somehow, but imprisoning historical author David Irving and chemist Germar Rudolf was definitely not a good look for them.
I am not necessarily advocating “fighting the Joos,” but prohibiting the examination of the truth is indefensible. White advocates ignore these matters at their peril.
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Well, in Russia you could be fined, and potentially even imprisoned, if you publicly compare Stalin to Hitler. Hitler is THE absolutely evil, when Stalin is an effective manager with some bad blunders, but still good.
National-socialism is a fanbase devoted to a franchise that’s as dead as Disney Star Wars.
We need a future based on pro-White racial thinking not an imagined past based on German nationalists making war on their fellow Whites.
It’s a distinction without a difference.
Race. Nationalism. (Tucker Carlson voice) What does it all mean?
All other political and historical matters are up for debate and interpretation, as they should be.
But the Kosher borders are staked where they are for an important reason: There are few meaningful political goalposts inside this safe zone because the enemy has made the rules.
So you can play as hard as you please ─ as long as you don’t go out of bounds. And maybe even make a little (((money))) doing it.
I don’t demand that people agree with me. But I do demand that we be able to take the conversation or the debate wherever we need to.
“Nazi” is shorthand German for “National,” btw. Naht-Zee-On-Ahl.
What does it all mean?
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It is a distinction with vital differences. We need the language, the thoughts, and the actions required to do the best for Whites everywhere in the 21st Century and after.
National-socialism was not for export. It was the nationalism of Germans of a certain time and place. It pursued the falsely-perceived self-interest of those Germans with violence and with disregard for the interests, rights, and values of non-Germans, such as Frenchmen, Jews, and Slavs.
National-socialism is not our project. National-socialism is a lost cause, lost in time, which is fine because national-socialism is not what we need.
We need to stop White genocide in the 21st Century and in the whole world. We need a kind of language, a kind of thought, and a kind of politics that cherishes the interests of Whites wherever we are. We need a kind of politics that softens conflicts of interest between White nations, that proceeds by persuasion and not by violence, and that will secure our vital interests including peace — peace with people of all races whenever possible, and above all peace with our fellow Whites. All of this applies equally to the Basque, the Briton, and the Boer.
The ENEMY doesn’t care what kind of “Nazi” you are ─ and avoiding the word is not going to help other brands of Nationalism.
I am going to continue to resist the notion that balkanization is a good thing.
The United States settled its continent under the Anglo brand even though only three states are now majority-Anglo: the state of Maine, and Idaho and Utah (the latter two having been settled by Latter-Day Saint converts because they focused their early missionary efforts in England and NW Europe). All the other states are majority German or Hispanic. “British Israelism” of some vein was popular everywhere that the Anglosphere carried the Bible.
And Volksdeutsche in the USA took up the Anglo brand. You see this also by looking at the most prevalent surnames in all fifty states. If it is not Smith, then it is probably Garcia or something like that. In Hawaii, the top three surnames are Lee, Wong, and Kim ─ no Johnsons or Andersons or Smiths for the top surname slots like in Minnesota. I suspect that many of those Smiths were originally Schmidts, in fact. There are lots of Andersons in Idaho and Utah too.
One could make an argument that George Washington was a Fascist, since his Federalist-era statues are often associated with the Fasces. American coinage before the New Deal even carried Fasces symbology.
I am not talking about “fan boy” aesthetics or schnappy uniforms, and I have never had any interest in esoteric Hitlerism or esoteric Fascism. I wasn’t particularly impressed by The Lightning and the Sun. That is not what I am advocating. I do not agree with some, apparently, that White Nationalism is about Twitter memes or Anime talking points.
And as far as “fighting fellow White people,” what nation has NOT done that?
It may be an unfortunate turn of events, but some warfare is unavoidable. Learn some History. Many nations in Eastern Europe, notably Slovakia and Romania, appealed to Hitler for German protection. “The Suicide of Europe” as Prince Michel Sturdza called it, had many fathers ─ and it somehow always involved Bolshevism and Entente agents.
Germany was salient enough that it was forced to fight the Communists at some point ─ and it was too independent in scope so it would not ever be incurring any real favor with the Entente.
Stalin could afford to wait for the best deal that he could get from the Entente, and the Americans, and Germany could not go back to the Versailles system in any case.
The Germans even had to withdraw from the League of Nations because there was just no way that the German nation (as opposed to an economic colony of the World regime) would ever stand as an equal before the world bar that had been created by the crusading Victors in the first place.
After the Danzig debacle, it is unfortunate that Germany had to fight in Denmark and Norway, for example, but doing otherwise would have allowed Allied air and naval bases being imposed sooner rather than later on their supposedly sovereign soils to better effect the continental blockade and the bombing of Germany. Grand Admiral Raeder with a comparatively weak Navy beat Albion to the punch, and he was sentenced to life in prison at Nuremberg for his troubles.
To my knowledge, no one was punished for the hunger blockade of the Great War, which killed at least a million and was not relaxed until the Versaille Treaty was dictated and the ink was good and dry. The hunger blockade, by the way, depended upon blockading the trade of neutrals ─ a major advantage of having a powerful blue-water Navy, which the Kaiser had given a thought about, to the shrieks and horror of the prewar Anglo press.
When the Second World War was new, the Allies were convinced that Germany threatened to invade England ─ but everybody with any access to actual military intelligence knew that this was an Allied lie and impossible given the state of the German Navy at the time.
I enjoyed the Christopher Nolan spectacle of the 2017 Dunkirk movie in IMAX film format, but it was almost devoid of history and politics other than some Churchillian sloganeering at the very end. Most Historians never even consider the many German offers of peace.
The WWII victors took a completely different attitude about how to “Contain” Communism, however. For them, Nazi Germany was an existential threat, but never Communism despite the Fallout Shelters. How Hitler could have traversed two oceans with the Blitzkrieg is not too clear.
With the exception of a couple of Red Scares, for the most part the plutocratic elites ignored the Communist subversion aspect. Why would elites like Kim Philby, Harry Dexter White, and Alger Hiss not be loyal Americans or Britannians? Or, perhaps to see it from their erudite Liberal perspective, even if one dismisses whether they were outright fellow-travellers, why were the plutocrats and their apparatchiks more enamored by the United Nations and the idea of World Government in lieu of their own NATIONS and their own racial or ethnic traditions?
And why the Jews for that matter ─ why would so many influential Jews be more loyal to race-mixing and Communism or Zionism than their White Gentile neighbors, who succored them and allowed them access and membership to the highest levers of elite power? As Hitler noted about a century ago, most Jews ain’t gonna be living in Israel. What does it all mean?
Who but a “Nazi” would even ask these questions?
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Thank you, that was necessary.
Why would Philby, Hiss, White and many others work for the Soviet Union and it is seen even now with some kind of understanding and empathy, but they would not work for Germany, and if they would, they would be condemned even today. I remember an interesting movie RED JOAN with Judy Dench and Sophie Cookson, losely based on the story of Melita Norwood, an Englishwoman, who worked for the Soviet Intelligence. The film is very sympathetic to “Joan”, while you cannot imagine such film about an American or British woman, worked for Germans in the same years. And, well, you cannot also imagine a Russian movie, where a Russian worked for the Americans or the British (like Penkovsky, Polyakov, Tolkachev or Gordievsky) is portrayed with some sympathy or even neutral. Thus there are good and bad traitors even in the same country.
I expect movies will start being made this year about the Oct 7 attack. It will be exaggerated beyond belief but it will be deemed necessary to justify Israel’s destruction and ethnic cleansing of Gaza.
Liberals need “racism” to be seen as the greatest evil, in order to neuter any opposition to open borders and the D.I.E. cult. They want to condition the citizenry to get a whiff of Zyklon B whenever they hear opinions that are pro-white or pro-European civilization.
Rather than downplaying the suffering of European Jews during WWII, we’re better off mocking the pseudo-religious nature of ‘Holocaustianity’. Monty Python’s Life of Brian wasn’t making light of Roman executions; it was poking fun at modern Christianity. Can’t we learn from that example?
Modern historians are now analyzing biblical text in practical ways. They see Moses as a military general who murdered tribes of his own alliance in Canaan and also ordered the murder of their woman and children to the reluctance of his own lieutenants, which is the reason why these historians believe he suddenly is not heard from or suddenly disappears from the continuing text. They also wiped out the other cities including Jerusalem of their original inhabitants. Moses followers may also have been indentured servants / laborers and not slaves of Egypt. The people of this region have always had a nasty disposition with the added exception of being “the chosen ones”, a disposition that we are now privileged to experience in real time. Monty Pythons “Life of Brian” also pokes fun of the Jewish rebellion against Rome despite everything they offered Judea, albeit the empirical compulsory methods used, and perhaps out of sheer necessity.
Even more than the Jews are fighting against Nazis with their H-st , the Russian (in reality Armenian-Jewish) propaganda still is fighting against bad Nazis. At least, in Israel there are no cars, on which the slogans like “We can do it again” and “To Berlin!” are written.
We get far more subtle propaganda such as the malevolent, but much-admired by our womenfolk, Leonard Cohen and his 1987 song First we take Manhattan
They sentenced me to 20 years of boredom
For trying to change the system from within
I’m coming now, I’m coming to reward them
First we take Manhattan, then we take Berlin
I’m guided by a signal in the heavens (Guided, guided)
I’m guided by this birthmark on my skin (I am guided by)
I’m guided by the beauty of our weapons (Ooh, ooh)
First we take Manhattan, then we take Berlin
I’d really like to live beside you, baby
I love your body and your spirit and your clothes
But you see that line there moving through the station?
I told you, I told you, told you I was one of those
Ah, you loved me as a loser, but now you’re worried that I just might win
You know the way to stop me, but you don’t have the discipline
How many nights I prayed for this, to let my work begin
First we take Manhattan, then we take Berlin
I don’t like your fashion business, mister
And I don’t like these drugs that keep you thin
I don’t like what happened to my sister
First we take Manhattan, then we take Berlin
I’d really like to live beside you, baby
I love your body and your spirit and your clothes
But you see that line there moving through the station?
I told you, I told you, told you I was one of those
And I thank you for those items that you sent me, ha ha ha ha
The monkey and the plywood violin
I practiced every night, now I’m ready
First we take Manhattan, then we take Berlin
I am guided
Ah, remember me, I used to live for music (Baby)
Remember me, I brought your groceries in (Ooh, baby, yeah)
Well, it’s Father’s Day, and everybody’s wounded
First we take Manhattan, then we take Berlin
Cohen’s prologue to the song in Hamburg, 14th April, 1988:
Yeah, these are new songs, huh? Maybe lots of people think I didn’t write anything after “Suzanne.” But I wrote one or two songs after “Suzanne.” Here’s a song I wrote 20 years after “Suzanne.” I had been driven over the edge and I had decided to take matters into my own hand. This is a geopolitical plan. People have asked me what it means. It means exactly what it says.
He also alluded separately to “our weapons” being a reference to “Jesus, Marx, Freud and Einstein”.
I remember there was a great poem by Irving Layton that I once read, I’ll give you a paraphrase of it. It was ‘well, you guys blow up an occasional airline and kill a few children here and there’, he says. ‘But our terrorists, Jesus, Freud, Marx, Einstein. The whole world is still quaking.'”
First we take Manhattan, then we take Berlin
Nice words. I immediately remembered, “Denn heute gehört uns Deutschland, und morgen die ganze Welt.” :))
The pro-Nazi argument fails on the crucial grounds that the non-Soviet Allies were all “white supremacist” from today’s perspective. The US was strictly segregated both in the military and on the home front. Britain, France, and the Netherlands had colonial empires organized more or less along racial lines, with strong racial feeling at home and racial discrimination being entirely legal at a minimum if not required.
It may well be true that Nazi oppression, atrocities, aggression, and genocide, reflecting that regime’s ne plus ultra level of intense racial ideology, tainted racial realism and pro-white advocacy to such a degree that the backlash reverberated among the Western Allies to our lasting detriment.
But the proper response to this is not to embrace the Nazis and their crimes, but to show that their crimes repulsed the vast majority of decent, civilized, pro-white race realists at the time, and therefore that one can be a pro-white race realist today without being a Nazi, making liberal smears a lie.
In fact, the ONLY way we can ever reach the significant numbers of persuadable pro-whites that we need to reach, is to reject Nazism instead of flirt with and fetishize it. Conversely, continuing to flirt with and fetishize Nazism is to doom the white race to extinction, vindicating our enemies’ smears, and repelling the people we desperately need to win over.
There is a 1946 B movie where Edward G. Robinson declares ─ “well, who but a Nazi would deny that Karl Marx was a German because he was a Jew?”
Well, Jews are always innocent victims and blameless. They cannot even be criticized. If you do you are a Nazi ─ a Genocidal bigot, or worse.
Well, in the United States we have had since the massive immigration of radicalinskis from Eastern Europe in the early 20th century, an alien and hostile minority that cannot be criticized ─ and were it not for the First Amendment, the system itself would be conspiring with their Gentile Libtard allies to imprison their critics for Thoughtcrime ─ as is the case in most of the rest of the developed world.
Their unique suffering or claims of such is the only thing that matters in the history of the world. Even when atheists or non-observant, their God is the God. They have promoted a Marxist creed of race-mixing and Global interventionism. This cabal unites amoral bankers and Zionists on the Right, and cultural or outright Bolshevism on the Left ─ like two pincers of a crab united in purpose.
Either Nazi Gassings happened or they didn’t. It is a hugely important question. Unless the Truth doesn’t matter at all…
If the “Jewish Question” has any merit whatsoever, then assessing this gassing claim (or black letter law in some countries) is crucial.
Around the time that scientist and scholar Germar Rudolf was deported to Germany to serve several years in prison for questioning the past, I predicted that Confederates would become the new Nazi war-criminals. On the RODOH discussion forum the Jews scoffed. Everybody understood the nuances about the American Civil War, they said.
Not long before that time a highly-relatable book was written by a Jewish guy named Tony Horwitz called Confederates in the Attic. Horwitz sometimes poked fun at ACW “reenactors” but I sensed no malice or ridicule. All of us (including the Jews) need to step back and poke fun at ourselves from time to time.
However, I could read the writing on the wall, and the Zeitgeist was not changing for the better.
Sure enough, the Leftists have now united to ban the Confederate flag, remove statues of the venerable General Lee, and revered military bases in the South such as Fort Gordon, Georgia ─ home of the U.S. Army Signal Corps where I served ─ have been renamed to something more Kosher. Meanwhile, there has been no abatement of things like the staple lynching propaganda. Rednecks are still despised (not just poked fun at) even if their only failing is being White.
I don’t mind a robust debate, but that is not what this is about. Furthermore, I have always welcomed discussion with Jews ─ and even my learned critics at the Holocaust Controversies blog will attest to that. But mostly they are not interested in discussion any more than the strident Liberals and media moguls who want any discourse with Deplorables ruthlessly terminated.
The Totalitarian Liberal “party line” must be adhered to at all costs, and any infraction whatsoever is by definition “Nazi.”
This hardly represents intellectual diversity ─ something that has been valued in the West for many, many centuries and remains (at least for now) the supreme law of the land in the United States.
There has been endless kvetching by the (((usual suspects))) and their nabobs about free-speech on various information platforms and a general lack of Kosher gate-keeping. Why is that?
Somebody desperately wants Whitey to get back on the Reservation! That is good enough of a reason to pay attention to the lightning rods.
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“Well, Jews are always innocent victims and blameless. They cannot even be criticized. If you do you are a Nazi ─ a Genocidal bigot, or worse.”
This is simply not true. People who get called “a Nazi ─ a Genocidal bigot, or worse” after talking about Jews are called that because 99 times out of 100, they mix their criticism of Jews with a bunch of Nazi fetishism, “Hitler was right”, and spergy shit about “Judeo-Bolshevism”.
I’m very open with my views on normie Facebook and in my experience, the only people who get offend by antisemitism are Jews. The average gentile finds antisemitism more confusing than offensive.
They can’t wrap their heads around why someone would be racist towards a group of people who look white nor can they grasp how 2% of the population can be controlling everything when we live in a democracy where it’s one man, one vote. It just doesn’t compute.
I’ve found that people are extremely protective of blacks and if I say anything about them of FB, a million people will jump in the comments to defend them but if I talk about Jews, the reaction is more “Lulwut?”
The average person sees antisemites more as a kind of conspiracy theorist than a kind of racist. Unless, of course, you start bringing up Nazi shit.
People who try to say that talking about the Jews is the ultimate taboo and if you try speaking out against them, you will instantly become an ostracized social pariah either a) have never actually tried talking about Jews to normal people or b) are incapable of talking about Jews without shoehorning a bunch of Nazi shit because that has definitely not been my experience.
I am not making a case for “anti-Semitism” and I do not even consider myself to be an anti-Semite. I do not fear or hate Jews.
Andrew Mathis, PhD, who is somewhat of a Jewish activist and a prominent member of the Holocaust Controversies blog, was a prolifigate poster at RODOH in the day. Dr. Mathis defined anti-Semitism as something to the effect as “the irrational fear and hatred of Jews, and that any other definition is wrong.” I agreed with him.
However, that is not how Jewish Holocaust “theologians” like the late Elie Wiesel and Deborah Lipstadt see it. They believe that ANY criticism of Jews is anti-Semitism and a slipperly slope to Genocide.
The person that got the brunt of her ire was the WWII expert and popular historical author David Irving, who denies being a Holocaust expert at all and stated to my face the truth, that he has never written about the Holocaust. Irving has written about forty books on WWII and I have read them all, or nearly so.
(I have not yet read Irving’s latest book on Himmler. I have heard it is very good but it is a little pricey. I will make an exception and prioritize it, however, since Irving is currently in ill health and may not be long for this world.)
Irving deliberately did NOT get Revisionist help in his libel lawsuit with Deborah Lipstadt, who called him a Holocaust Denier (her coinage) because he did not think it would help to slum around with real Revisionists like Germar Rudolf who actually knew the subject. Irving probably lost his case as a result. Now he struggles to get published at all.
David Irving definitely did do a lot of Jew-baiting in the day, and I will not defend that. But his major crime was assisting the Ernst Zündel defense, the publisher who was twice skewered in the People’s Republic of Canada for Thoughtcrime, and then deported to Germany for another rogering.
Irving also copied the Leuchter Report and sent it to various public officials in the UK, with the idea that a debate was needed in this area. The Horror.
One problem from the start is that the Leuchter Report was not written by a competent engineer (Fred Leuchter has no degree in engineering). The LR was in reality mostly written by Revisionist Prof. Robert Faurisson, a great man but also not an Engineer. The LR was correct overall but had some serious technical problems and faulty arguments, which Germar Rudolf has mostly addressed.
The long story shortened is that I support CODOH and was once its top bbs poster, but I did not like establishing an “orthodoxy” of our own. Revisionist (and real engineer) Friedrich Paul Berg struggled to get articles published by the Institute for Historical Review because they did not really like any peer review of Revisionist orthodoxy. Later Mark Weber cancelled the Journal of Historical Review entirely. Berg answered Faurisson’s challenge to “show me or draw [for] me a Nazi gas chamber.”
Berg did so. These were not “homicidal” installations, and it is certainly not impossible to kill people with Zyklon-B, but contra-Faurisson, that only reinforces why the Germans did not use pesticide to kill people when they easily could have. The Nazi gassing claims are based on Rube Goldberg nonsense that well deserves ridicule.
Anyway, like the Scientific Method in the hard sciences, Historical Revisionism is by definition NOT an Orthodoxy. It is revised on a perpetual basis to “bring history into accord with the facts.”
So, after one of the major CODOH Revisionist Forum crashes, I started RODOH (Real Open-Debate on the H) so that Revisionist Berg and also (gasp) Jewish critics of Revisionists could say somewhere whatever they wanted to, whether it was anti-Semitic or not, or critical of anyone, including Revisionists. (Since that time there has been a lifting of the extreme CODOH Forum moderation policy that was once practiced.)
David Irving was essentially tossed into prison in Austria because he was a renowned historian of WWII (not the Holocaust) but also mildly heretical. Irving focused on the WWII “German viewpoint,” and peers like Sir John Keegan never denounced him.
But being an important mainstream voice, Irving found the truth, which he stated in Hitler’s War (1977) ─ a story of every memo crossing Hitler’s desk and every Hitler meeting during the war ─ that Hitler never gave an order to exterminate the Jews. Full Stop.
This Irving factoid could have been forgiven, but then Irving helped the Zündel defense in one of the 1980s trials and later called attention to the Leuchter Report commissioned for the Zündel defense saying that a real Holocaust debate was sorely needed.
White Nationalists have been on the defensive ever since Lipstadt wrote her 1994 screed Denying the Holocaust, essentially saying that criticizing Jews is Genocide in Thought.
Filmmaker Eric Hunt in his youthful naïvete made the mistake of touching the elderly Elie Wiesel’s sleeve in an elevator and asking for a debate ─ and the entire legal system crashed down on him. Some Revisionists tried to raise some money so that this talented guy could make some films about the Holocaust controversy, but this sort of thing is not going to pay for one’s living, either as an amateur or (certainly not) in the Marxist universities, so Hunt conspicuously backed out. I don’t begrudge him.
David Cole isn’t doing much better with Holocaust Lite, and he makes whining about Nazi and NS fanboys routine as he calls for the idiots in the GOP to embrace Castizo futurism at Takimag. Regardless, Hollywood Jews will pull out no stops preventing Cole from publishing another autobiography.
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See, all these people you mention (David Irving, the Institute for Historical Review, David Cole, Eric Hunt) no longer deny the Holocaust. David Cole affirmed the Reinhardt camps in 1994 while Irving and IHR raised the red flag in the early 00’s. Eric Hunt was the Golden Boy for a while but then he eventually ran into the same brick wall the first three hit by not being able to explain where the Reinhardt Jews went.
The Nazis are very misunderstood and perhaps “not as bad” as people say but not fetishists seek to exonerate Hitler with a Not Guilty verdict when at best, you can maybe plea bargain him down a little. The Jews can do a lot of guilt-tripping over the shit Nazis did that no one denies. Like no one denies the existence of the Einsatzgruppen and I doubt normal people would be persuaded by the argument of “Yes, well, massacring civilians of a country you are at war with was not unprecedented in military history. That’s a very different thing than this so-called ‘Holocaust’ narrative….”
The whole thing is a fool’s errand.
Scott, an anti-Semite used to be defined as someone who hates Jews, now he’s just someone whom Jews hate. I say, in accord with my late esteemed countryman Percy Stephensen that “anti-Semitism” properly understood is opposition to “Semitism” – the promotion of Jewish power and cultural distortion by propaganda, nepotism and paralysis of opposition at the expense of the well-being of the host society.
People who try to say that talking about the Jews is the ultimate taboo and if you try speaking out against them, you will instantly become an ostracized social pariah either a) have never actually tried talking about Jews to normal people or b) are incapable of talking about Jews without shoehorning a bunch of Nazi shit because that has definitely not been my experience.
Nice strawman, but when most people say that, they’re referring to when people talk about Jews publicly or as part of some national “conversation,” not when they try to talk to average folks about them. Marlon Brando and Kanye West both immediately come to mind as perfect examples of that principle in action.
Also, the whole “Nazi fetishism” thing may have been popular with WN 1.0, but it’s hardly some huge movement now. I can’t even remember the last time I saw a group of white nationalists marching publicly in Nazi uniforms a la George Lincoln Rockwell. I’m sure if that were happening, the MSM would be all over it like a cheap suit. What you really appear to be arguing is that any amount of public questioning of the horseshit WWII narrative we’ve all been fed our whole lives amounts to some weird attraction/hang-up regarding the National Socialists. I disagree that that is the case. Understanding the lies we’ve been told regarding history (especially major historical events like world wars) is essential to any productive move forward for whites.
If the Holocaust narrative were allowed to die its natural death, I’d agree. Sadly, it’s not. And where does most of the resistance to the playing of the Holocaust card come from? Sadly, not from whites. The reason that Israel has massively lost support in Europe is because of the masses of Muslims now living here. If they were suddenly deported back from where they came from, we’d be back to our default position.
Just a harmless little example: When the Gaza conflict started, there was a graffiti at my train station saying, “Hitler did nothing wrong when he gassed the Jews”. It was, judging by its faulty German, written by some Arab or Turk living here. Next to it, one of my young countrymen had answered “Education helps”. Much could be said about that statement, but there you have it in a nutshell.
The western Left hate Israel and are mostly pro-Arab. The Leftist Jews are mostly very hostile to Israel, even more than the gentile Left.
The leftist also being the middle class Jews are not simply and suddenly pro-Arab as much as they are now pro-justice. The present atrocities and decades old encroachment has become too great to ignore. They are perhaps trying to save the honor of their people by revolting en masse against the sapiens, now in charge of an illegal State (depending on which conception of law one follows).
The leftists do not care about this at all. They hate ALL AND ANY national state. They hate also Kemalist Türkey, but Islamist one is OK for them. By the way the Great Replacement is going on in Israel too, while the savage Moroccan and Ethiopian “Jews” are imported to replace civilized and europeanized Ashkenazi Jews.
Teşekkür,,,
I am not sure which group you classify Netanyahu’s cabinet, But I can never call them civilized. The Palestinians who are being murdered are also orthodox christian / catholic / protestant. This we know from the church leaders who are reporting from Gaza and the west bank.
A glib and dishonest article. “Nazis are like Trekkies?” Give me a break. As if fandoms are exclusive to nerd culture. A “fandom” is just a “movement” by any other name, a semi-organized system of devotees who share ideas, knowledge and memes. You might say the same of any damn political or religous movement.
As for the holocaust, it simply doesn’t matter. It’s a Jewish thing, like how the Indians have their Trail of Tears and the Irish have their Bloody Sunday. If you are advocating pro-white policies and some scum starts lecturing you about the holocaust, tell them it’s entirely irrelevant. Or better yet, lecture them about Gaza.
My people has their Kermençık massacre of 1783, and our Qazaq brothers have their famine of 1932-33, so called Aşarşılıq, why should I care much more about the tragedies of another peoples, when those peoples do not care about our ones?
Watching the daily reports on other than mainline media from US and international doctors trying to spend time in Gaza is truly sickening and almost unbelievable, in the sense that it is being allowed. One thing is for sure, modern acts of inhumanity do not seem to be any less civil today than those of the past.
Secondly, I don’t think our enemies invoke the war and the Holocaust as much as people say — certainly not as often as Nazi fetishists talk about them. Sure, they do it sometimes, but honestly, I think y’all just like talking about Nazis.
Well then you’re either being deliberately obtuse or you’ve been in a coma for the past 30 years. There is a new Hollwoodcaust movie just about every year, not to mention new memorial days and books written every few months extolling the horrors of Euro-Jew oppression. The culture is constantly throwing this grand horrific event in every gentile’s face like a pie in some vaudeville skit. Even as we speak, the current critic’s darling of a film that’s getting all the accolades and public blow jobs is called Zone of Interest, which appears to be another boring lecture on the “banality of evil.” It’s basically the film director’s fever dream (based on a Martin Amis novel) about the humdrum day to day life of Rudolph Hoss (the commandant of Auschwitz), who lives with his family right next to the daily slaughtering of the Auschwitz gas chambers. Nope, the culture isn’t still trying to milk the Holocaust and WWII at all. It’s all just “Nazi fetishism.”
In a nutshell, here’s why Trav is wrong about this: Whites don’t need to see Hitler and the Nazis as the good guys in order to save our race, but we *do* need to explicitly refuse to see Nazis as the bad guys. This requires rejecting two core narratives that, as resident CC commenter Scott is good at explaining, are essential to the modern liberal order:
1. Rejecting the idea that the Nazis acted out of spite and malice between 1933 and 1945, when in fact, they acted out of self-defense at best, and with hostile animus towards their would be exterminators (Jews!) at worst.
“‘Why then did you create the SS, when all you want is peace?’ Because there are those who DON’T want it! And I wanted to show them, that I was prepared for the other thing!”-Adolf Hitler
2. The lie that is the Holocaust, including the number Six Million, and the gas chambers
For 80 years now, these two lies have successfully painted an all-encompassing picture, a meta-narrative, declaring that the White Race/Aryan Race and *all* its biological members worldwide are would be genocidal monsters. That we are bloodthirsty murderers just waiting for a justification to feast on the innocent. That we basically get off on atrocities such as gas chambers (Jews), small pox blankets (Indians), slave whippings (Blacks), or stealing the resources of nonwhite natives worldwide (Colonialism)
With all due respect Trav, waking our people up and saving the White Race is *not* a matter of style or branding, it’s a matter of substance. All this stuff connects together in a complex whole. All of these narratives matter. If they didn’t, then the (((media))) and the (((institutions))) wouldn’t be aggressively pushing them and constantly referring to them. Its like we are all trying to walk through a world of endlessly flashing strobe lights. Those lights haven’t stopped flashing and haven’t stopped tormenting us just because a small minority of us recognize them as such.
In regards to October 7: The real opposition to Israel on the internet is coming from anti-racist Zoomers on Tik Tok, not from White Nationalists or Pro-Whites of any significant numbers. Zoomers, like the Millenials, Gen Xers, and Boomers before them, are true believers in the value system of anti-racism. They sincerely believe that a global order can be established on the foundation of anti-racism. Their arguments against Israel are as ignorant and as laughable as the old contard arguments of “Affirmative Action is acshaully discwiminitory against Asians!” or “MLK was a conservative Republican!”
Only a Goy would make arguments like “the Holocaust compels you not to exterminate the Palestinians,” and only a Goy would be stupid enough to believe it. Unironically, the Holocaust gives Israel 100% moral justification to act with impunity against the Palestinians, and against anyone else who stands in their way. If the whole world is out to get you, then you are justified in waging war in the whole world. That’s true of Jews, and it’s true of Whites as well. *That* is the moral impulse we should be focusing on here, not pathetic pleas to moral codes that only an idiot like John Lennon believes in.
Jews are the undisputed Masters of the Universe. That was true by the time the French Revolution happened out of nowhere in 1789, it was true in 1914 at the eve of the Great War, it was obviously true in 1945, and it remains true in 2024. They will stay that way until we depose them. And deposing them requires demolishing their narratives, their values, and winning the Psychological War. White Extinction – Aryan Elimination – is guaranteed otherwise. We are morally justified in acting out of self-defense.
So another lecture on how we should really just shut up because some of us are embarrassing you at the country club. I’ll take drinking with Jake Shields in the 7-11 parking lot over that club any day.
Are you the legendary Michael Machine Weaver?
National Socialism is the Golden Path.
I wish I had a middle name as cool as Machine, but no.
Thanks, I was just curious!
Some points were made and I appreciate the jokiness and looking at things differently, but what a lot people are asking and demanding, is that we look at the period 1920-1945 as more than “the rise of evil.” There are concrete reasons to ask WHY so many things happened, and also if perhaps the supposed guardians of virtue the allies didn’t have their own dark corners. Also, as Glenn beck wailed some months ago, “there have been twenty holocausts through history! Why?”
But it’s a rhetorical question. The Jews have hardly been innocent bystanders; again, let’s not transfer being evil to them, but instead understand everyone has motives and causes that bump into someone else’s. As J.C.F. Fuller noted, WWII was a struggle between economic man and heroic man. Studying the background of how each European nation (and outside Europe) reacted to that will deflate so many of our myths.
America’s wonderful empire is founded on two principles: Auschwitz and Hiroshima. If I question the justifications for these semi-holy pedestals of our century, if I want to see the true historical record, I am, I think, a true humanist, not a nazi fetishist.
As for all of the holocaust belief being nonexistent now, I disagree. If Germany is still (and forever) paying reparations to Jews, if you see some damned Holocaust memorial anywhere, if you even question one word of it you can be at the worst arrested or at the least lose your job and reputation, then the Holocaust story is very much alive and kicking. But believing that “it’s all over” is a very typical American stand that if you find out the truth, if you have discovered the falseness of a lie, then you need do nothing and take no action. You FOUND out. Now you KNOW. There. It’s all taken care of, go home and enjoy life. No struggle is needed. Passivity is enshrined.
Spencer J. Quinn’s “Weak Claim Paradox” seems relevant here. It’s much easier, safer, and more effective to cast doubt on what people believe about Nazis and the Holocaust – because what do they really know about it? – than it is to try to convince them of some affirmative, alternative claim.
I myself am generally and perhaps deliberately ignorant of such things, but what I know for sure is that Hitler and National Socialism were not pure evil and 100% wrong, simply because no person or successful leader or political ideology – and National Socialism was extremely popular in Germany – can be 100% bad and wrong. Every person and every popular political ideology is a mix of good and bad, and anyone trying to tell you that somebody is pure evil (or, on the flip side, without any fault) is trying to deceive and propagandize you.
I have read stories of the banking problems in Germany where farmers lost their farms to Jewish lending practices of usury — charging interest rates that the farmer can’t pay since the rates and ‘over-due fees’ keep rising. This is a world-wide problem, but in war-time it kills people who are thrown out of their farms and homes, when the banks confiscate the property of debtors. Well — the Germans had good memories, and when the small ’roundups’ began, the Germans watched from the sidelines, and turned their backs on what then began the holocaust.
Goes around, comes around.
“The Holocaust Card Can No Longer Be Played,” but no thanks to the author or the overwhelming majority of Americans, British, French, and Jews that embraced the World War II narrative created by the allies to cover up their own criminality, and has very little to do with the truth. For decades, activists, scientists, engineers, and historians with names like Professor Arthur Butz (engineer), Germar Rudolf (scientist), Fred Leuchter (engineer), Ernst Zundel (activist), David Irving (historian), and many others made great efforts to correct the historical narrative and make people aware of the Holocaust lie, or just refused to lie to placate the Jews and the allies (David Irving). These people were constantly ridiculed, jailed, threatened, physically attacked, and harassed in other ways since the end of the war by the “democracies” for writing books or making statements that countered the hoax the democracies embraced.
Now that it’s obvious to all that the Jews dominate these countries (the USA, Great Britain, and France) and have used the hoax they created to make themselves the most powerful force in the world (bar none), where they can openly commit mass murder and the oh-so-good World War II allies don’t say a word, it’s become too obvious to ignore when people point this out.
Excellent article and very good of the author to salvage it from the prunings of his first. I’ve never looked into Holocaust Revisionism so can’t comment on it, but the author is definitely right that the younger generations are less beholden to this founding myth that generation Xers were. Ironically we may only learn the truth of WW2 when a significant mass of people reach a certain level of emotional detachment.
Reminds me of the end of that Coventry Patmore Poem, Magna Est Veritas:
“For want of me, the world’s course will not fail.
When all its work is done, the lie shall rot.
The truth is great, and shall prevail
when none care whether it prevail or not.”
“Talking about the Holocaust to today’s kids would be akin to what discussing zeppelin raids and mustard gas attacks with me as a teenager would have been like. Cool story, bro, but it doesn’t hit me on a gut level because, as the saying goes, “the past is a foreign country” — and the world which fought that war was like an alien planet to me, compared to the world I lived in”.
My elders did experiences great depressions and my uncles did fight hard in North Africa, Russia and Yugoslavia. I was one of the strange kids who used to sit and question them about everything. This statement above, or profound thought above, allows us to further contemplate an important aspect of our present situation. It seems hard for people today to understand that our peace and prosperity on this side of the planet is nothing more than a temporary PAX in a window in time, perhaps and accident, a result of a perfect storm. The term “rats in a granary” comes to mind, having a great amount but for only a short time. To think that we are immune to the horror of past history is imaginary as opposed to being capable of imagining ourselves actually living and experiencing those horrors and hardships daily, personally. We become relaxed, fat and concerned with only trivial goals and allow ignorance to take root once more. It seems to be part of human nature, in its present state of evolution. The cost of this relaxed state since the 1950’s may be greater (by the same past mistakes) than anything in the past considering the technology now provided us by a very few of our species, who seem to be the only ones that truly understand all its aspects.
When I think of past authoritarian systems, I don’t think about medaled uniform figures on parade but their social economic systems of government more in need now, even if “we the children” cannot see it through within this “our democracy”. Unfortunately time is of the essence, more so now.
“Fool’s errand.”
Well, I’m not telling you which pill to swallow.
And if the truth is unimportant, it is surely more lucrative to sell Equality and Gibs than any brand of White Nationalism.
David Cole is a talented guy. Maybe not a qualified historian despite the lack of a High School diploma. Maybe one fine day he will get paroled from the Hollywood blacklist and really do some cool Kosher stuff. He has already found that he can make some coin by doing Holocaust documentaries with old Soviet fakes for the atrocity memorial museums. He tells many such stories himself ─ if you can ever find a copy of his book.
Oh, and thanks for spelling Reinhardt correctly.
🙂
WWI+WWII were not primarily about Germans vs. JOOS (even uncle Adolph didnt believe it). It was about Germany dominating other European nations. This struggle started long before 1938-39 and even long before 1914. Pangermanic ideas told Germans they are entitled to annex the rest of Central Europe and become the hegemonic power on the European continent. This was unacceptable not only for their immediately neighboring nations (the French, the Poles, the Czechs, the Dutch etc.) but also for the Anglo-powers and for whoever ruled Russia. United Germany since 1871 was too large for a balanced geopolitical system in Europe and could have never worked in the long run without repeating armed conflicts (Germany trying to conquer others and the rest fighting back). At the same time it was unrealistic that a nationalist Germany could maintain lasting dominance over so many highly civilized white nations who didnt want to be assimilated into Germany. However, where German nationalism failed, the capitalist EU and the liberal American empire more or less succeeded. A “reformed” americanized anti white Germany is an absolutely crucial part of liberal globalist hegemony (call it JOO-ish if want). With a serious political change in Germany the liberal globalist hegemony cannot possibly last.
I see British propaganda was very successfull not only in the Second World War, but in the First too, hello from the Crewe House.
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