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The idea of a national divorce has been trending lately thanks in part to a recent tweet storm from Georgia Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene (MTG). And by “national divorce,” she basically means stepping up to the line of red-state secession and not crossing it. As with most happenings in politics, all substantive change must be incremental and not instant. But because MTG’s proposal is much less incremental than usual (and because she is a sitting member of the House of Representatives), a national divorce is now a bit more conceivable than it used to be.
We need to keep beating this drum, regardless if we see red-state secession as an end in itself or merely the first step towards a viable white ethnostate. Either outcome would be an improvement to what we have today. MTG is tripling down, and so should we.
National Divorce is not civil war, but becoming a necessary reality because of our irreconcilable differences.
The federal government is a monster and has become a weapon of the left against the right. pic.twitter.com/OMnJ1DR8RJ
— Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene🇺🇸 (@RepMTG) February 22, 2023
Her tweet from February 21st pretty much sums it up as well:
Why the left and right should consider a national divorce, not a civil war but a legal agreement to separate our ideological and political disagreements by states while maintaining our legal union. Definition of irreconcilable differences: inability to agree on most things or on important things. Tragically, I think we, the left and right, have reached irreconcilable differences. I’ll speak for the right and say, we are absolutely disgusted and fed up with the left cramming and forcing their ways on us and our children with no respect for our religion/faith, traditional values, and economic & government policy beliefs.
You can buy Spencer J. Quinn’s young adult novel The No College Club here.
There is a lot more on MTG’s Twitter feed which outlines the irreconcilable differences between Right and Left these days. These include red-state America’s frustrations with the $34 trillion debt, the bloated federal government, LGBTQ wokeness, lack of school prayer, Environmental Social Governance regulations, Mexican drug cartels, and police vilification. She could have said more about immigration, but she did refer to it as an “invasion” and called for ending all funding to Non-Governmental Organizations which subsidize worldwide immigration to the United States. She called out George Soros by name.
MTG also proposed something fairly revolutionary: allowing red states to restrict voting privileges for blue-state refugees, regardless of their citizenship status or criminal record. Essentially, she is fed up with the Left (as so many of us are) and recognizes the futility of trying to work with them. Why work with someone who hates you and is ideologically opposed to your very existence? Viewed from a Rightist perspective, MTG’s national divorce idea makes perfect sense.
Nevertheless, how MTG plans to accomplish her goals “while maintaining our legal union” (i.e., without secession) remains a little murky. Of course, she doesn’t want a civil war. (Who does?) At the same time, however, she seems to be promoting “home rule,” an idea expressed by F. H. Buckley in his recent book American Secession.
From my American Secession review:
Home rule, as found in Quebec, will allow different regions of the United States to be able to choose which aspects of federal control they can nullify. Thus, we will see vastly different ways of life in different parts of the country: gun rights and traditional marriage here, abortion rights and gay marriage there. Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson statues here, Martin Luther King and Malcolm X statues there. You see the point. Further, with access to U-Hauls (a common theme in American Secession), people will eventually sort themselves out, and a more variegated and sectionalized nation will find peace in the long run. Vive le différence!
With MTG being a sitting member of Congress, we have to filter some of what she says. She simply cannot call for outright secession, red-state or otherwise. Such a call would be tantamount to treason against the country she was elected to serve. She also doesn’t seem to realize that it wouldn’t be worth going through the motions of a divorce without ultimately moving out of the house. It is possible, however, she privately wants red-state secession and, to that end, is putting verbiage out there that will get millions excited about the idea, or at least used to it.
Tim Pool seems to get it:
An organization also getting it is Red-State Secession. (See their substack here.) I wrote an essay about Red-State Secession in October 2021 in which I highlighted my ISEE Model of White Survival, which demonstrates what red-state secession and White Nationalism have in common, as well as their one main difference.
Since October 2021, Red-State Secession has been busy providing poll results and analysis which point to how “the Right will avoid eternal rule by the Left on this continent,” as they say on their About Us page. Here are a few examples.
In one poll, 41% of Biden voters and 52% of Trump voters at least somewhat agreed that we should split the country. This poll, from The Center For Politics, was conducted in the summer of 2021 and reports further that 18% of Biden voters and 25% of Trump voters strongly supported this measure. The poll also reveals exactly how partisan America has become on both sides of the political aisle. In response to the prompt, “I have come to view elected officials from the opposite party as presenting a clear and present danger to American democracy,” clear majorities on both sides strongly agreed, and over 80% on each side at least somewhat agreed.
That there is what we call a slam dunk.
Red-State Secession also notes that this poll strongly suggests a desire to turn to what’s known as “Caesarism” to solve our problems. They define Caesarism as the desire for “a strong man who acts as a dictator on behalf of the people to replace a government who no longer serve the people.” The prompt, “Our country needs a powerful leader in order to destroy the radical and immoral currents prevailing in society today” elicited either strong or lukewarm support from 62% of Biden voters and a whopping 82%of Trump voters.
Below are the poll’s full results as presented by Red-State Secession:
Another poll, conducted in July 2022 by SurveyUSA, confirmed that 66% of voters in Texas wished to secede. This constitutes 73% of Republican voters and 59% of Democrat voters. The poll posed the same questions to voters in six other states, and while the results were not as dramatic, Republican voters calling for secession were in the slim majority of Republicans in four of them (Louisiana, Alabama, Flordia, and South Carolina). Note especially the high numbers coming from Louisiana, which also seems to be secession minded. In all cases except those of Idaho and Texas, the total “yes” vote hovered between a healthy 44 and 47%:
The poll also asked voters in these states whether they would want military intervention in the event that either California, Texas, or Hawaii were to secede. The resulting percentages were encouragingly low:
We can find the survey results on SurveyUSA’s website for Hawaii, Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Florida, and South Carolina. The site also includes results for New Hampshire.
Red-State Secession continues its analysis of Texas independence, or Texit, here. They also recommend the Texas Nationalist Movement site, as well as the book TEXIT: How and Why Texas Will Leave the Union by Daniel Miller.
Red-State Secession further highlights state efforts to secede from other states. Illinois voters recently proved very open-minded when it came to splitting the Prairie State in two:
Voters approved referendums on the topic in Brown County by 77%, Hardin County by 76%, and two townships in Madison County (Lee 75% and New Douglas 68%).
This brings the total number of counties in southern and central Illinois to approve the measure to 27, according to a map released by organizers today. No counties have rejected the measure. The referendums are non-binding.
The referendums ask voters “Shall the board of your county correspond with the boards of the other counties of Illinois outside of Cook County about the possibility of separating from Cook County to form a new state, and to seek admission to the Union as such, subject to the approval of the people?”
Red-State Secession provides additional steps for those looking to help Illinois secede here.
Secession fever seems to catching on in a lot of places these days. In October 2021, five Maryland state legislators, including a state Senator, intreated West Virginia to annex three Maryland counties. Although they would be moving into a poorer state, the people of these counties seem more interested in preserving their traditional and rural way of life than in receiving fat checks from the government. Also, as Red-State Secession points out:
Moving the Maryland / West Virginia border to add these counties to West Virginia would increase the average income of EACH state by more than 1%. This is simply because the three counties have a lower income than Maryland (so leaving makes Maryland richer), but a higher income than WV (so joining makes WV richer).
The three counties in question are Garrett, Allegany, and Washington. One glance at a map will reveal how much sense this proposition makes:
Combine all of this with the current movement in eastern Oregon to secede and join Idaho, and the fact that the State of New California recently sent two delegates to Washington, DC, and one begins to realize that Red-State Secession may be on to something after all.
But Red-State Secession does not merely report on whatever secessionist movement is gaining steam. It also offers a theoretical underpinning for secession itself. Guest writer Scott Winston Dragland puts it well:
The federal government cannot be reformed. It cannot be restored to its constitutional boundaries. Attempts to do so are doomed to failure. The idea that the federal government can be redeemed is a well-intentioned delusion. If anyone could do it, President Trump was the man to do it — but the deep state resisted him every step of the way, and he was ousted from the Oval Office via a rigged election. Conservative states have a choice: subservience and submission to a corrupt federal regime, or peaceful, lawful secession.
Dragland argues that secession was baked in the cake of the Declaration of Independence — which, of course, triggered its own secessionist movement from the British Empire. The document asserts that “When a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce [mankind] under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their Duty, to throw off such Government and to provide new Guards for their future Security.” Ergo, throwing Washington off in 2023 to provide “new guards” for security finds its blessing in the Declaration of Independence.
In the 39th Federalist Paper, James Madison writes that in forming the Union, each state was “considered as a sovereign body, independent of all others, and only to be bound by its own voluntary act.” According to Dragland, if “sovereign” and “independent” states voluntarily joined together, then they can voluntarily split apart as well. Dragland also points out that according to the Tenth Amendment, the states retain the right to determine the legality of secession, since the US Constitution does not explicitly ban it. Most pointedly, Dragland dismisses the idea that the Civil War settled anything. “The Civil War did not settle the issue of secession,” he writes. “Military conquest cannot settle an issue of constitutional law any more than a sledgehammer can write a book.”
It’s interesting how Dragland equates the Union victory in the Civil War with military conquest. Today, the Leftist-controlled United States government wants the very same thing. This is why they would never approve of red-state secession in any of its forms as long as Democrats and their globalist donors have control over Washington. Thus, the legality of secession doesn’t really matter if the Right does not have the guns and manpower to back it up. By the same token, however, the legality of our current union also doesn’t really matter if the Left also lacks guns and manpower to back it up. In the end, it all boils down to what the people want. What are they willing to vote and rally for? And what are they willing to fight for?
Red-State Secession is all about exhausting the first two options before we have no choice but to resort to the third. We should all hope they succeed — and secede.
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21 comments
Thanks for this update Spenser. The way for White Identity Nationalists to get what they want in the long run is for ordinary non-racialist Whites to get what they want in the short and medium terms.
‘Secession’ is the end-game, not the first move. Critical to any effort at ‘home rule’ is to control the means of credit (money) production. All the guns, ammo, camo and ‘booyah’ in the world is not going to result in effective civil administration of a region unless the matter of currency is reasonably resolved to the satisfaction of the population.
“ ‘Secession’ is the end-game, not the first move.” The end-game is to reclaim our homelands from Europe to Australia, make our constitutions explicitly state that these r our homelands in perpetuity, & traitors cannot escape accountability.
Secession is not really necessary. If all the “red state” people living in states like California, New York, and Illinois moved to smaller states like Oregon, Washington, Colorado, Vermont, Rhode Island, etc. they could easily turn those blue states red. They could also turn purple states like Virginia and Wisconsin red.
They could convert enough states to handily control the House, create a super-majority in the Senate, and ensure enough delegates to elect a President.
With complete control of the federal government and most of the state governments they could reshape the culture into a more white-conservative friendly nation. They could even put in place laws to keep the left from reversing the process.
It isn’t about blue or red. It’s about demographics.
So, what is your plan to win the demographics?
“So, what is your plan to win the demographics?” The Slow Cleanse aka Restoring White Homelands. Make our constitutions explicitly state that these r our homelands in perpetuity, traitors cannot escape accountability. Reclaim our homelands county by county. The Spaniards did it; so can we.
Red-state
Blue-state
Whiteland
Blackland
United Status-Quo States of America (USQSA)
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Those are the five basic state types I always say the present USA should split up into; meaning, of course, that there could be potentially more actual states than that. (There could also be more state types that turn out to have merit, but those five cover the major irreconcilable differences we face, IMHO.)
I think we should avoid all-or-nothing thinking on this matter, avoid boomer-shaming those who presently only think in red-blue terms, and consider red-blue secession a beneficial wedge issue for our ends (as the inimitable Mr. Quinn has rightly pointed out).
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Great article, sir!
Yes, red-blue polarization is a useful wedge issue for us, but that doesn’t mean we should directly tie our fate to team red’s. As you say, we are a fundamentally separate entity from them (a separate nation, ultimately), and we should be forthrightly arguing our own side, early and often, to whoever will listen.
Obviously, Team Red separates from Team Blue, and then the ethnostate separates from Team Red is a possibility. But there is more than one way to do this thing. The other way it could go down is that the powers that be come to view the ethnostate as a means of taking the steam out a Red America secessionist movement.
When it comes to political polarization, something like the Pareto principle is at work; eighty percent is caused by twenty percent, or thereabouts. There is a decently-sized faction of establishment actors whose opinions of us are nearly indistinguishable from those held by antifa or intersectionalist theorists, but I also imagine that many others of them are as annoyed by the antics of the far Left as they are with ours, people who see the culture spinning out of control, and would just like to live in a world of John Kasich Republicans vs Jim Webb Democrats. Well, if they could find some way to spin-off the most “extremist” 5-10% of the population into separate states, they could get rid of half the polarization right there.
Perhaps, there are five basic state types, as you say. But it could be that they are something like: Whiteland, Blackland, Religious/Q types, Antifa/DSA types, and Normie America. And eighty or ninety percent belong to normie America.
If you put yourself in their position, this scenario is much preferable to splitting the country in half, and having a gigantic foreign country separating California from the Northeast. They engineered it right, they could even end up expanding their territory. Under a scenario where Cascadia becomes a far-left haven takes in metro Vancouver, Quebec becomes independent, and some or most of the Atlantic provinces become White nationalist Vinland, then what’s left of Canada is probably absorbed in the US.
The Normie America model would probably be better for us too.
Under a Red-Blue divide, we could be something like Poland trapped between Russia and Germany.
OK, just tossing this out there (it’s a real question, however): can states be expelled from the Union? Obviously, states can be admitted, which is why I’ve been arguing for 40 years that we need to grant Puerto Rico national independence pronto, which would be good in itself, but also a nice semi-prelude to other jurisdictional rearrangements (and DC, another Democrat sought-after potential 51st state, needs additional legislation to make it as difficult as possible for it ever to become a state). Hawaii should have its independence restored as well. It has long had its own ethnonationalist elements, who seem to be growing angrier and more truculent. We should encourage them.
If there is a mechanism to expel a state, then we should begin advocating this for California (while also voicing support for a voluntary Calexit). Granted, even sans CA, we’re still a long way from the Ethnostate. But shedding the much tarnished Golden State would buy prowhites in America a lot of time, instantly a) removing a lot of progressive voters and thus Congressmen (and two invariably nasty Senators), as well as b) a huge number of nonwhites. Without CA, I wouldn’t be surprised if whites in America went back up to around 2/3 of the country. What other action could “re-whiten” America to that extent, and so rapidly? And the precedent would be fantastic!
“can states be expelled from the Union?”
Interesting question! I strongly doubt it but would defer to a constitution scholar on this.
Excellent work, Spencer. I’m always impressed with how you can produce so much insightful work, repeatedly and rapidly. I wish I had such talent. As I find my own political passions waning, due to age, illness, and lack of prowhite (or even conservative) success, I’m grateful that younger and better men are taking up the struggle with determination and verve.
We need every form of secession: USA from the NWO; Red States/regions/neighborhoods from Blue; white businesses from going multicultural (instead of recognizing the huge underserved niche market of increasingly alienated whites); individual prowhites from both nonwhites and white progressives, and this in all aspects of their external lives where possible; and finally, the internal secession or cleansing of our own minds and souls via self-seceding from nonwhite culture and antiwhite beliefs. Let us follow Hamlet and Peer Gynt, and to our own selves be true.
A national divorce, while tempting, will actually up the ante of our differences and cause even more leftist imposition of demonic HELL onto the right, thus a state of extreme bellicosity will develop and outright war will be the end result. Maybe that’s ok?? No. Because since it is the Federal Government (and the federal government only) that “wages civil war” (legally, as anything/everything else is declared to basically be criminal anarchy) we know which side they will support and defend and it won’t be the breakaway right who’s off happily celebrating their divorce and preparing for the inevitable return of Lord Jesus Christ. In fact, our being a “United” bunch of States is the only thing keeping the left from outright attacking the right and declaring open war upon us. That would not yet be “legal” but once the right officially divides itself from the left then the left will become an instrument of war in the hands of a vindictive federal government.
Thanks for updating us on this.
I recently read an article on realclearpolitics by some bloke named Matt Purple who, writing for the American Spectator, was contemptuous of any move toward secession or national divorce as suggested by MTG. Well, fine. He can sit in front of his keyboard and document the results as the left increases and consolidates it’s hold over the country.
Taking the steam out of Tulsi Gabbard?
What is she thinking about Hawaiian independence?
Can some counter currents authors make a substack to post some articles on?
I have people I want to share the contents of this website with but I can’t share the counter currents link because I can’t afford to be outed.
I think it is up to every person or family to move to a place where they are happy and secure, and which is away from the types of people with whom they do not find pleasant. It’s that simple. It might involve leaving a job, or spending a lot of money, but being at peace is what life is about. Even in multi-culti Los Angeles, I’ve found a little niche which is far from the center where all the trouble originates and resides. It might not be forever, but I am saving my pennies just in case I have to move yet again.
Granted it would be better if the people who whine about their problems with their ‘Caucasian Overlords’ — as they label us — would use their common sense and move to the lovely vast continent of Africa of their own volition, where they would be warmly greeted by their long-lost cousins in a more suitable atmosphere. But since the government here has been cajoled into paying them a sort of ‘reparations’ for all their discomfort here — otherwise known as ‘welfare’– it is unlikely they will pick up and move of their own volition. Therefore, it is up to us, known for our higher IQ, to use it to make more money for ourselves and find a shady, tree-lined suburb of like-minded sorts to move in with ourselves. However, we must keep minding our pennies, for another move might be necessary in a few more years, yet again.
Never lose sight of our dreams of retaking all of America, and keep our dream in the public’s eye without being throttled as being ‘racists’. Also, keep an eye out for better opportunities in Europe, but not too close to a potential war zone.
Oh, I forgot the icing on the cake — when you find that lovely shady, tree-lined neighborhood in the suburbs, it is time to bring about that delightful little family of at least 4 to 7 kids to keep the whole White ship afloat. Without the kids, it’s all for naught.
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