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Kyle Gass
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Someone tried to assassinate Donald Trump as he gave a speech in Bethel Park, Pennsylvania last Saturday. The shooter missed by centimeters, only grazing Trump’s ear. Three other people were shot, however, one fatally. The iconic image of Trump raising his fist in defiance is the stuff memes are made of. It was an emotional event.
In the days since, some Right-wingers have been trying to “cancel” those liberals who have made light of the event, or more commonly lamenting that the assassin did not succeed. The first such major example involved the Gen-X musical comedy duo Tenacious D. The day after the shooting, singer Jack Black had a cake with candles presented to his musical partner, Kyle Gass, for his birthday on stage during a performance in Australia and asked him to make a wish. Gass said, “Don’t miss Trump next time!” Video of the event then went viral online.
Part of the reason this got so much attention is because some weeks earlier, a video of Jack Black himself had gone viral in which he gave an embarrassingly enthusiastic pro-Biden speech. It looked absurd in the aftermath of Genocide Joe’s scatterbrained debate performance a week later. Had this not happened, the Tenacious D clip might have flown under the radar. But it didn’t, and both Black and Gass were forced to apologize publicly, and Black cancelled the remainder of Tenacious D’s tour.
Jack Black’s response
Meanwhile, the Jewish-run Libs of TikTok Twitter/X account has been organizing mobs in an attempt to get random normies fired from their jobs for stating on social media that they wish the assassination attempt had been successful. Several of these crusades have been successful. This has sparked some debate online about the ethics of Right-wing cancel culture (RWCC). The two people who have become the biggest causes célèbres in relation to this are a Home Depot cashier and a firefighter.
BREAKING: Home Depot confirmed this person is no longer an employee. https://t.co/LMfoMU5ava pic.twitter.com/DoH9JR2lsL
— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) July 16, 2024
Meet Tony Bendele, a firefighter in Sunbury, PA. He’s upset that the bullet missed.
A bullet did hit Corey though, a rally attendee who was also a firefighter.
This is especially disgusting coming from a fellow firefighter and someone who’s supposed to protect others. pic.twitter.com/cKUHkOXACZ
— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) July 15, 2024
BREAKING: Tony has resigned his position as a firefighter https://t.co/vUhMeE43AL pic.twitter.com/UzbP61czW6
— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) July 15, 2024
The pro-RWCC side is making the argument that we are at war, and that “being the bigger man” only guarantees that we will continue losing. In other words: Screw your moral high ground. We must fight back, and we have to be willing to play as dirty as the Left.
The other side contends that after making their opposition to cancel culture a central theme for several years, this makes conservatives look hypocritical and insincere. Some people on the far Right may have been of the “eye for an eye” mentality all along, but most of the Right has spent the better part of the last decade billing themselves as “the people who don’t get offended by jokes,” and thus see jumping at the opportunity do so as a bad look. Then there is the more principled argument that cancel culture is wrong whether it is us or them doing it, because two wrongs don’t make a right.
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I’m in the anti-RWCC camp, at least on this issue. For me it’s not even about the principle per se. There are strategic reasons not to engage in RWCC. The first is that “cancel culture” is extremely unpopular. The argument in favor of it boils down to “The Left has been doing it to us for years!” My response is: “And how’s that working out for them?”
You often hear Right-wingers say that the Left never criticizes the people on their own fringe, but this is not always true. They don’t do it as often as the Right does, but they sometimes do if there are people there genuinely causing problems for them. For example, they started cracking down on the “defund the police” rhetoric after they saw that it was costing them votes. Similarly, there has been a lot of internal pushback within the Left against “cancel culture” because it makes them look bad. Many lib celebrities such as Sarah Silverman and Bill Maher have tried to distance themselves from it. Indeed, the BBC is rolling out a new anti-cancel culture drama about a news anchor who gets cancelled for making a sexist joke. You could therefore say that the Left are having an “optics debate” about it.
This is to say nothing about the Right-wing backlash that Left-wing “cancel culture” has instigated. It was a contributing factor to events such as Gamergate, and cancelled celebrities will often become even more Right-wing, because at that point they have nothing to lose and nowhere else to go. When they cancel people such as Rosanne Barr, Kevin Spacey, or whatshername from Star Wars, it angers the people who enjoyed watching their work.
You might respond that “cancel culture” is effective at silencing people. Yes, it will make people watch what they say, but it also makes them resent the ones making them do it.
What those who say that “the Left do it!” don’t seem to grasp is that when the Left engage in this sort of thing, it comes at a cost. It has not been to the Left’s. “Cancel culture” was born out of liberal hubris, a sense that their cultural power was so absolute that they could crush anyone for even minor infractions with no consequences. In fact, there were serious consequences. It’s been very bad for their brand and has radicalized their opponents. It’s thus strange that so many on the Right are defending this sort of behavior just when the Left are trying to put a stop to it.
We can draw a few conclusions from this. First of all, pick your battles. You have to ask whether white-knighting for Donald Trump is advancing anything genuinely Right-wing in the first place. It is debatable. One could argue that the idea of Trump is Right-wing, even if the man himself is not. I’ll leave it up to you to decide.
Second, if you can cancel a big-name journalist, politician, or anti-white celebrity, fine. If you can cancel Tim Wise, great. If you can get a university professor fired for being anti-white, terrific. But the cashier at Home Depot is just repeating what she’s been told to believe by the system. She has been told that Trump is Meme Hitler, and why wouldn’t you wish death upon Meme Hitler? She is a victim of a sick system, and is a symptom of a broader disease.
Was Kyle Gass’ joke really that offensive? Joking about wishing death upon famous people you don’t like is, if anything, passé. I’ve heard similar jokes before, such as the one about it being too bad that Seth McFarlane hadn’t boarded Flight 11 on 9/11; it turns out he was supposed to be on it but overslept. Similarly, some joke that if Mark David Chapman had aimed a little further to the left and hit Yoko Ono instead of John Lennon, he’d be a hero today.
And no, I don’t think it disrespects the innocent victims who were killed and injured to say that you wish the assassin had hit Trump instead. Forget about principles and strategy for a moment. Chimping out over a joke that isn’t even that offensive just makes you look uncool. It’s just like how snitching and weaponizing management against labor is uncool. Granted, if Trump had died and some were making light of it, that would be in poor taste and it would be appropriate to scold them. Thus, even if I were to concede that there may be occasions when RWCC may be appropriate, cashiers and firemen are poor choices of targets — and Donald Trump is a poor choice of a hill to die on.
Moreover, the Right cannot win a tit-for-tat cancel culture war of attrition with the Left for structural and institutional reasons. It took joking about a once-in-a-generation black swan event for a liberal to get cancelled by the Right. On the rare occasions when the Right is able to successfully cancel a Lefty, it’s because he said something insensitive in response to an emotionally-charged, one-time event. We still can’t cancel people for being anti-white or anti-Christian. We also can’t cancel people for gloating about white replacement. In short, the Right lacks the ability to cancel a liberal for actually being a liberal.
Until this week, when was the last time the Right successfully canceled someone on the Left? When Kathy Griffin posted a video of herself holding a mask that looked like Trump’s severed head in 2017? Prior to that, you’d have to go all the way back to when the Dixie Chicks criticized George W. Bush in 2003. Maybe I’m being hyperbolic. Once every few months, I will hear about someone getting fired for an anti-white TikTok rant. The point is that a liberal has to mess up pretty badly to get cancelled by the Right, whereas Right-wingers can get cancelled simply for microaggressions.
Some may speak derisively about taking the moral high ground. What good is it when you are under constant attack from your enemies? But if you engage in RWCC, you are firstly not going to win, and secondly you will forfeit the right to complain when the Left does it — which they will do far more frequently, effectively, and efficiently than we can. When that happens, you’ll be wishing you still had the moral high ground.
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I have very mixed feelings about this. I agree that we don’t have the power they do. I agree that it’s destructive of civilization to go after little fish like the pathetic Home Depot cashier. Long ago I learned that liberals can’t debate. They only win by silencing dissent. We should be on a higher level. However…..
That being said, I think big time celebrities are a different story. This scum has no right to the money in our wallets and they should be boycotted relentlessly. Stupid, dull witted white man empowered white hating black athletes and made them millionaires so they could proclaim their hatred of white people and every decent norm of civilized behavior. Stupid dull witted white women made white hating, Obama supporting Ophra Winfrey a billionaire. Stop feeding the hand that bites you. Stop helping people who hate you pile up big bank accounts.
I feel sorry for the poor dumb animal at Home Depot and am not threatened by whatever she tweets. The firefighter, however, is a little different. If he wishes death on people who disagree with him it creates a conflict of interest between his professional duty to save lives and his hatred of people with different political beliefs. I’m glad he lost his job, I’m glad his life is ruined and I’m glad he’s being threatened and terrorized. Screw him and his family. He should be grateful he’s not in jail like the J-6’ers and that he hasn’t been shot in the head like Donald Trump.
I want to win. The Right has been “playing fair” for decades and it’s gotten us nowhere, time to play by their rules and actually get some results.
Lemme ask you question.
Are you willing to dedicate dozens of hours of your life every week scouring social media looking for shit to get people fired over? Are you willing to make that your entire life? Because there are antifa researchers who do that. A lot of them.
So if you wanna talk tough about using the Left’s tactics, then by all means, spend 20 hours a weeks scrolling the social media of strangers looking for things to get them fired over. Don’t just do it in the wake of an emotionally charged event when the right has some temporary unearned goodwill. Do it day in and day out for years.
I mean, if you are serious about doing what the Left does, if you wanna win that bad and you think that’s how we do it, then get out of the group chats, get off the messages boards, get out of the comments sections and go make doing that that your entire life. Because that’s what the Left does.
Be careful. It’s a slippery slope. Our opponents can easily use this as a trap to silence „lefty“ criticism of Israel, Trump or just the imbecilic failed ideology of colorblind meritocracy conservatism. I‘m very wary of any censorship. The truth is 95% on the race realist side. I‘m in agreement with many of the people who do podcast here. Right now and most likely in the future, to me the biggest obstacle to true ethno-nationalism seems to be the conservative psychology and the traitorous party and politicians that feed off it. The ideology itself I think is impotent and fits the majority of the people who truly harbor it. (Stubborn, un-passionate, weak willed, sterile, old people). No life or future for European people will come out of it as it is.
I was with you until you hit the “Generational Astrology.”
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It’s not fully a generational thing as it is a biological phenomenon. It’s a bit of both actually and it’s not astrology. Never before in Europe has the older population screwed over the younger generations this badly. Most young continental Europeans today while not technically “Right Wing” are much more racialized then people realize and are willing to vote “hard right” as compared to the older generations. I do not see a solution of being able to convince so many older people to change since they are too stuck in their ways and are individually too invested in the system taking care of them in their old age to want to change the status quo. This isn’t me hating on old people it’s just what I am perceiving the reality as being. Obviously there‘s no need to be exclusive with our message. However I believe more time and recourses spent on cultivating racial awareness among younger whites will yield greater investment not only immediately but further down the line as well. This is obviously a bigger picture strategy and at a micro level I’d say do whatever’s working. Also there is a section of the younger white population that likes to look up to older established people just like there are younger whites that like following young “influencers”. If we can get a key prominent older people to adopt explicit white identity politics not only can we get some of the older people to switchover but we can get a good portion of young people as well.
https://www.firehouse.com/careers-education/video/55126220/second-pa-fire-officer-resigns-after-social-media-posts-about-attempted-assassination-of-trump
A second PA firefighter has resigned because of social media posts endorsing the attempted murder of Donald Trump: Jim Simmonds who is a fire chief(!) of Prospect Park Fire Dept.
This guy was the Fire Chief, for God’s sake. This guy has a professional obligation as a first responder and a fire man to save lives. Can a man who openly, publicly endorses the murder of political opponents really be trusted in such an important position? Obviously not. Thank God sane people are reacting to this.
Damn freakin’ right! Is Travis trying to win a Strange New Respect award from his pals on the dirtbag Left? I agree that piling on some scumbag cashier is not a good look for us. But firemen are – note Trav said nothing about this – PUBLIC EMPLOYEES. Can you imagine if some patriot who worked for a govt agency joked about the sexual morals or commie comrades of “St.” MLK, Jr.? He would be fired in an instant. But we’re supposed to be “the adults in the room” when someone sucking off the taxpayer-dime jokes about the near–murder of one of our own (I can hear the venerable “Hamburger Today” piping up, “No, No, Trump is not one of us!! What has he done for white people?” But Trump is very widely seen as our guy, the avatar of Middle America, however little substantive he has actually done for us)?
Any scumbag govt workers laughing at the assassination attempt are expressing their contempt for us – and that is all the moral warrant we need to destroy their careers if we can.
Trav makes some fair points about the complexities of the overall situation and tactic, but here we have the high ground (I mean, we’re seen to have the high ground; we always in fact have that ground, but are not always so seen), and should make maximal use of it.
Who cares…we are private citizens on our personal social media account.
One has to admit that getting Tenacious D (no doubt very temporarily) cancelled is hardly going to send the establishment reeling, nor is getting a couple of ordinary white Americans fired. If that’s the best the “Right” can do in the wake of something on the scale of an attempted assassination of a presidential candidate, then the prospects for RWCC don’t seem very bright, anyway.
You hit the nail on the head.
Hear hear. In fact, even ascribing the name “Right wing cancel culture” to it gives it a gravitas and import it doesn’t remotely have. As satisfying as it might be to pull the old switcheroo on mindless shitlibs, we need to be thinking long term at a time like this. Mr. LeBlanc is correct—events like this that make it possible to “cancel” leftists are so few and far between that they will be forgotten by all but the most diligent cultural historians in another six months.
Under-noticed fact: Jack Black is himself Jewish.
“You often hear Right-wingers say that the Left never criticizes the people on their own fringe, but this is not always true. They don’t do it as often as the Right does, but they sometimes do if there are people there genuinely causing problems for them.”
In leftist mythology this is called a (say it with me): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sister_Souljah_moment
I think cancel culture itself is blown out of proportion, but I have to disagree about avoiding it altogether. If I had the chance to “cancel” any leftists in positions of power and influence, I would jump on it.
But I would never try to cancel a regular person, no matter what they say; fight maybe, but not cancel.
I agree a hundred percent. Celebrities are fair game. But leave the totalitarianism against the workaday citizens to the Libtards. We are the ones with the Truth, after all.
That dumb Home Depot girl should be reinstated upon apology “for telling a tasteless joke while representing the company.”
The same with the stupid Libtard firefighter guy. I used to be a Union Steward for the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers (IBEW) when I was a Broadcast Engineer in another life. The principle of progressive discipline is very important.
One of the worst things you can do as a Steward or as a supervisor is to get defensive about “coddling slackards and misfits” when so accused. You are not coddling anybody.
Unless the staff got caught buggering the pool boy, the authorities can fire somebody after a reprimand or two, but not after the first politically-incorrect joke that pisses off the cat ladies.
As a boss, you are fully justified going nuclear once you have done your due diligence and documentation with the hired help. All workers should have some job security and freedom of conscience.
Tenacious D doesn’t have to crawl through a mile of broken glass either. A simple apology suffices. Maybe a free concert would be cool.
I am sure that I would not be so conciliatory to the Left if the Donald had not fortuitously dodged that bullet, but there it is.
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“ not after the first politically-incorrect joke that pisses off the cat ladies. “
It’s not a politically incorrect joke , this moron in the case of the firefighter, parroted the hainous media propaganda and would be the first to “ cancel “, harass true politically incorrect people.
And why not letting “ maga “ supporters die , if they are caught in a fire. they deserve it, don’t they ? I’m sure that this type of murderous cretin would agree
Being magnanimous at all costs, as it is the case with your post, gives only to your adversaries the impression that you are weak and morally negligent.
I am not talking about being “magnaminous” in the least. Where is that idea coming from?
Let’s try to abandon our bourgeois priors here.
What I am saying is that Cancel Culture is all sound and fury but signifying nothing. It is noisy and intimiating bluster that is poltically impotent. That is why some cracks creep out when the Left overplays their hand ─ as they are wont to do.
Although the enemy owns the mass-media, it has power over us MAINLY because we let ourselves be bullied. Generally speaking, there is no law that says I can’t use the word Nïgger on Online fora (I do) or say that Palestine should be freed (I really don’t care but some say that statement is a call for Genocide). Vague weasel words like Rayciss and Genocide are problematical and the enemy knows it.
Ultimately, Cancel Culture is a bad look for them because it underscores that they really have no arguments.
I agree that the firefighter in the example is a moron, but that’s not against the law. I really don’t give a crap about that guy.
What is against the law is making threats against a sitting President, and possibly against a former President, especially considering that Trump is a current candidate.
So there may be some basis for a valid complaint, and even firing the moron fireman. But there may also be due process concerns here. And we ignore the mechanics of these matters at our own peril.
Just saying that some SOB is a “public employee” and is therefore expendable somehow is Libertarian quatsch.
I happen to know a great deal about the public sector myself. It is very important to know where you can push the limits in Thought, research, or opinion ─ but you dare not skirt limits with the actual law or with lawlessness. I think I know a little bit about this sort of thing because I’m a Nazi and have used the Internet openly for decades.
Obviously the J6ers did not have a clue what they were doing and were badly led, if at all. It is too bad that this kind of righteous energy could not have been put to good use somehow.
We have to be very careful about getting hoisted by our own petard. I could give some personal examples but I don’t think it is necessary to make the point. Either one gets it or they don’t.
The point that I want to make is that there is not really any Thoughtcrime legislation in play here. Cancel Culture is not the law. That means that we need to stop running from the debate. The power of the enemy is intimidation and our own fear of being called racists. That is what Cancel Culture is really about.
We are not able to wield that kind of intimidation ourselves because we don’t own the mass-media like the you-know-whos, so any talk of using Right Wing Cancel Culture is laughable at best.
I also think that it is strategically unsound and bad optics (i.e, bad propaganda).
And IF it is BAD propaganda, THEN it ain’t gonna work in our favor. Full Stop. My fault. Your fault. Nobody’s fault.
I have zero sentimentality for Libtard Shïtbirds, even if they are nominally White. That is not my point at all.
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In general I agree, and the constant stream of cancellation attempts by Libs of TikTok has felt very icky to me. But I also agree with Devon, above. There is a time to lose gracefully in service to one’s principles, and there is a time to fight to win no matter what. That said, you’re right that Trump is not our guy, this is not our fight, and we at least, shouldn’t hurt ourselves for his sake. I think your proposed compromise of ‘if you can cancel Tim Wise, great, but don’t go after the Home Depot cashier’ is a sensible one.
No, nope, and what the actual fuck. Why don’t we just tie our own wrists to our ankles, pants down, while we are at it? Enough of wanting to get invited to the right parties. Jesus. Unreal.
OK, so how does it work? Cancelling people is a tactic but how does it work with the grander strategy?
There are two ways you can look at it. You can say that it is to punish the person for saying something bad. Their firing removes a liberal from a position of authority whereupon they may or may not be replaced by someone better. Or you can say there is propaganda value in it: it sends a message to other people not to say the same thing.
OK, so we managed to get about 20 of those people fired. It might be cathartic but not really enough to put a dent in the ZOG machine and if you can’t cancel enough people to where you have liberals in fear that they might be next, it’s not much of a deterrent.
So now we have to ask “is it good propaganda?” I say no.
First of all, there are millions of people who agree that the country would be better off if Trump had been killed. So while we might be able to get them fired, they will not be socially ostracized to the extent that a cancelled right-winger would.
I mean, I don’t think anyone who knows these people personally seriously believes that they “support terrorism” because they made a joke on Facebook. Like they are a militant ideological fanatic. It’s this stupid conservative gotcha game “they call us terrorist but look at these tweets! It is the democrats who are in fact the real terrorist”.
Look. There was a window of a few years after 9-11 when Republicans could cancel Democrats. You could be cancelled for “disrespecting the troops”. If you questioned the official narrative, you were “dishonoring the memory of the victims”. 9-11 was a uniquely emotional event and neocons were able to cynically leverage those emotions to cancel their enemies. But they weren’t able to do it forever. As time passed from the event, the guilt-tripping became less and less effective until one day, it stopped working altogether.
With the Trump assassination attempt, it is a similar thing. Due to the unique circumstances of this emotionally-charged event, the laws of physics have temporarily reversed and right-wingers are able to cancel left-wingers. But this will not last.
Eventually, people will say “OK, I’m sorry Trump got shot but he’s still an asshole”. The carriage will turn back into a pumpkin but we will still have to live with what we’ve done.
Excellent analysis.
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If the game only has rules for one side, then the side without the rules is going to win, every time. I respect your desire for honor, but the other side doesn’t care about it, at ALL. They’ve proven it over and over and over and over for decades. It is bigger than cancel culture.
Additionally, I totally disagree that the old bag that got fired from Home Depot shouldn’t have. She would have been the FIRST in line to get me fired if the tables were turned. I know her type too well. Feel the pain you love to inflict, Granny, and maybe you’ll think twice next time.
The best test of free speech:
Are we free to question the Infallible Jew Version of WWII?
I am starting to see this argument as such: if someone shoots you with a gun, walk away, or die, with your head held high. You will be remembered as super classy.
No, Cancel Culture is not “winning,” not even close. And unlike the enemy, we can’t inflict as much pain as we might like to, even if we wanted.
We have the Truth and we can use that wisely. We need to find ways to flip our opponents like a jiu jitsu wrestler. With some better leverage, faithful determination, and a LOT more dedication, it is we who will move the world.
We need to write our own tickets and to get good at flipping the script on our benighted opponents. I don’t see that happening with the Rules For Radicals style of Gay-ops that they use.
And, in any case, we are not living in “meme world” in our Moms’ basements ─ so let’s not kid ourselves there either.
We need to believe and to act accordingly, that we have a few thousand years of Western Civilization behind us.
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The left is not winning – it won. We’re not on the cusp of running the advertising agencies, entertainment, schools, cities, law firms and tech. The enforcement wing of cancel culture is not in any danger of being taken over by white nationalists.
If we “need” to do that stuff, why aren’t we doing it now? Why hasn’t anyone thought of a way to flip the left’s script on itself? How would we even recognize such a plan if someone came up with one?
“The left is not winning – it won.”
We are not winning because Whites did not in sufficient numbers recognize an existential threat decades ago and have therefore not fought back. Time is short. That has to change.
They have NOT won. Seriously? If one truly thinks that were true, then why not throw oneself off into the pit as a sacrifice to the Volcano Demon.
“We’re not on the cusp of running the advertising agencies, entertainment, schools, cities, law firms and tech. The enforcement wing of cancel culture is not in any danger of being taken over by white nationalists.”
So their play sheet is not going to work for us. But there is in reality very little legal force behind Thoughtcrime unless actually legislated against.
That means that their power is bluff and intimidation. Lawfare is going to become essential unless we just give up.
“If we “need” to do that stuff, why aren’t we doing it now? Why hasn’t anyone thought of a way to flip the left’s script on itself? How would we even recognize such a plan if someone came up with one?”
Well, George Lincoln Rockwell already did, or started to, almost sixty years ago before being assassinated in 1967 by a lost White Trash soul that he thought he could save. He deserved Virginia’s electric chair but instead the murderer did minimal time in prison and is in fact still alive today ─ no longer rayciss of course.
But the propaganda manual that Commander Rockwell was working on, and is partially published ─ I have linked to it here before ─ is called Legal, Psychological, and Political Warfare, and it outlined all of the hard lessons that he had learned as an extreme-Right activist when there was still much time to make some societal course corrections. This “Legal, Psychological, and Political Warfare” theme needs to be expanded upon for the 21st Century, of course.
Commander Rockwell observed that it is very tough to get White people to fight unless there is a clear and present danger ─ and our enemies understand our learned helplessness far better than we do. Too many of us just want our salvation handed to us on a cracker, I guess.
We ultimately do have to fight, but we have to do it very much smarter.
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They have NOT won. Seriously?
Most of the Communist goals outlined in 1963 have been achieved:
https://www.marxists.org/subject/art/literature/children/ref/gov/gov1.html
But there is in reality very little legal force behind Thoughtcrime unless actually legislated against.
Where do you get that from? The law says that employers can terminate employees “at will” and EEOC protections don’t extend to ideology, -isms and phobias RWs are said to have.
A court ruled that an Indiana public school acted legally by firing a music teacher for not using the preferred pronouns of his students.
It’s totally legal to fire and deplatform people for wrongthink in the US.
Scott, I love you. You would make a great neighbor. You are the world I want to live in, but it does not exist. “We need to flip the script”… Just no. I could cram Counter Currents logic down Home Depot Granny’s throat 24/7/365 and she ain’t changing her mind. Of course we “should” be at the highest levels of academia, teaching young minds about our wonderful morals and high ground, but do you want to know why we don’t? Because they FIRE us the minute we say anything even remotely conservative!!
You and Travis can sit back and let the rest of us get dirty hands. I’m sure you’ll invite us to your parties when it’s over, right?
“You and Travis can sit back and let the rest of us get dirty hands. I’m sure you’ll invite us to your parties when it’s over, right?”
I’m still not hearing any plans for action.
When you say to “do Right-Wing Cancel Culture” you mean Twitter, right? Go for it, then, but color me unimpressed.
Maybe you do have a real plan for collective White action. That is exactly what I am advocating, not “doing nothing.” If so, I am all ears.
I don’t really give a crap about Home Depot granny, or Libtards in general. I do think we need to pick our battles wisely, however.
But I don’t really see how we can execute some kind of RWCC that everybody seems to think is the next sliced bread, as if it could be memed into existence from wishful thinking. Their tactics work against us because we never push back, collectively or otherwise.
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Hear hear. Collective nonviolent action and moral outrage is how the right wins. It’s how it historically has won. It loses by doing nothing. The left has monopolized these useful tactics for too long. I understand disavowing terrorism as it achieves nothing – but this? It seems like some of us have become way too comfortable with inaction. Suspiciously so.
My response is: “And how’s that working out for them?”
They’re still in power?
How should the right deal with the left if cancelling them is off the table? We can’t own them intellectually.
Is there a better way of reaching a truce with the left over free speech than to engage them in a tit for tat? If there is, can the concern trolls kindly break it down to me? Do we wait for more Bill Mahers to “disavow” cancel culture…while leftists continue to run Madison Ave, academia, corporate HR departments and the tech and entertainment industries?
Jews typically support strong controls on what can be said and thought. I am referring to the broad sweep of history, to the ghetto mentality, and to the intense supervision of the rabbis.
Cancel culture is Jewish culture. Cancel culture is a natural result of Jews interacting with Whites (who favor frankness and individualism) in an environment where Jews are socially dominant and impose their preferences.
For Jews but not for Whites cancel culture passes several of Saul Alinsky’s tests from his Rules For Radicals.
“2. “Never go outside the expertise of your people.” It results in confusion, fear and retreat. Feeling secure adds to the backbone of anyone.”
Jews, who typically have high verbal IQ, love summoning up the persecuting swarm and stinging the victim to social death. They become practiced at it. It is less typical of Whites to acquire such skills.
“3. “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.” Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty.”
The same.
“6. “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.” They’ll keep doing it without urging and come back to do more. They’re doing their thing, and will even suggest better ones.”
Oh so much.
“13. “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions.”
Obviously.
When right wing cancel culture is employed, which is a done deal now, we should be aware that the most skilled and enthusiastic cancelers are likely to be Jews. Jews are highly likely to turn any regular canceling process in pro-Jewish and antiwhite directions.
I don’t believe we can stop cancel culture by refusing to participate in it. Cancel culture is a natural consequence of socially dominant Jews interacting with Whites. You can’t wish race away.
Since we Whites will continue to be hit, frequently and viciously, we will occasionally hit back with the same tactics that hurt us. That’s humanly unavoidable. We can’t be perfect in turning the other cheek all the time and if we were perfect in passivity it wouldn’t help us.
But we shouldn’t grow fond of this right wing cancel culture. We shouldn’t hang on to any particular cancel culture campaign or try to make this a regular procedure. (Especially not with “helpful” Jews running the procedure and telling us Whites who to be outraged at and why.) We should always want to move on from cancel culture as soon as we can.
“7. “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.” Don’t become old news.”
We should let the Jews continue to be the ones who weary everyone with their social cruelty. We shouldn’t copy a fashion that has already gotten old.
I think I’m right about this but I might be wrong. I see the strength of the counter-argument that refusing to copy tactics that are effective just makes you a loser. So if you see reasons I might likely be wrong about this please speak up.
“I think I’m right about this but I might be wrong. I see the strength of the counter-argument that refusing to copy tactics that are effective just makes you a loser. So if you see reasons I might likely be wrong about this please speak up.”
I’m not in disagreement, and I certainly am not advocating turning the other cheek. I think you made the vital point that Cancel Culture was Jewish, and their operatives are not our friends. They will instead litter the path with mines all along the way, and we will be left in wonderment about what happened.
Whatever force or gravitas that we can muster must serve to make our cause more stable and to throw theirs off kilter. The more they lash out in the vain gnashing of teeth, the more beneficial for us.
And above all, we do NOT want to sideline Race nor to “wish it away,” but instead to elevate it to the dynamic reality and powerhouse that it is.
Some tactics will work much better than others, but I don’t think that Cancel Culture is one of them. The 1A is our friend. We don’t fear a genuine Marketplace of Ideas.
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It’s a thorny subject here. It’s great to have principles, but it becomes a disadvantage when you’re not faced with honorable opponents who will abide by the same rules. The leftists need to realize that what goes around, comes around.
Following years of cancel culture, with dead silence from principled liberals objecting to it, they’ve set a precedent. Moreover, I doubt that most of the leftists who wish that kid in Pennsylvania had better Marxmanship are joking when they post online about it. They really do approve of political violence. (That is, as long as it’s going their way – if it doesn’t, they’d cry foul about it for the next century.) That’s another very bad precedent.
Many principled liberals have objected to it, particularly entertainers. The Left have been trying to reign it in since #MeToo for obvious reasons. They still cancel people sometimes but they are more selective. They are not dragging people for 10 year old tweets like they use to.
I’ll take your word for it, though I haven’t seen anything like that. If only leftists would return to a principled position on free speech and actually mean it, then I might even start to regard them as something other than a vengeful horde of overgrown spoiled children.
And to the point: isn’t it most excellent when you get to set the rules then make them apply only to yourself? What a fun game, for one side only.
Those of you too pure for the real fight just sit it out. As long as you can.
I’m saying that the “rules” are what we devise for ourselves. They don’t limit us but provide us a firm base for leverage. The enemy can’t do likewise unless we let them. Stop thinking of things as a zero-sum game that the adversaries have provided and where we must engage them for some reason ─ probably ineffectively and at a disadvantage. The scruffies aren’t winning because we are too soft, LOL. We have to fight to win, but we should do it mostly on our own turf ─ wherever we have the advantages and the leverage to make good. We have to think invincibly for a change, like White men and women. Admittedly, we have not had the best leadership of late.
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That’s one of the things that annoy me about leftists. They have all these fine, noble, high-minded principles, but don’t hesitate to break their own rules whenever it helps them get something they want. Then they get to tell us it was in the interests of the greater good. To them, even political violence is okie dokie – as long as it’s not happening to them, of course.
When you find yourself in a fight, any fight, shake off your “principles and moral high ground” as you enter the ring – after you win the fight pick them up again as you exit the ring.
It’s not a matter of principle. I object to it on strategic grounds.
Trump was shot in Butler, PA. The alleged shooter was from Bethel Park, PA. They are about 60 miles apart.
Putting aside the criticism of Jewish cancel culture, I have to say that more importantly, this highlights the problem of the passivity, and too fair play attitude of whites, towards their adversaries .
As Weave pointed out in his comments.
If whites hadn’t been so passive against Jewish intrusions, (financial corruptions aside) we might not be where we are today.
Passivity, moral negligence ( lol, let’s get a free concert, it’s cool, lol ) is not a white civilization trait.
A civilized white man provokes in a duel, he doesn’t cancel, and in the case of the low society detritus cited in the article ( they don’t deserve duels ), a good punch in the nose would be effective.
I am not talking about passivity nor moral negligence. Where are these motorized goalposts coming from?
What I am talking about is moving the world by leveraging from a firm base.
“Give me a place to stand and rest my lever on, and I can move the Earth.” ~ Archimedes
In short, we have to have better propaganda and not cheap stunts. We have to fight smarter and with more dedication than they do. And we have to use lawfare effectively, and not dumb gimmicks for show.
There is a big difference between a Nazi with some brains and some guy who is a call-in regular on an edgy podcast who used to carry a sandwich board with something like “Jews Rape Kids.” How many clear-headed followers did that guy actually recruit?
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You are completely missing the point of racial power. Jews aren’t powerful because the cavort with children through blanket holes, they are powerful because they act as a group in realms that matter–financial, political and business power.
The pivot towards total censorshp on the internet is an ancillary product of the former.
Sorry Lady S, but a woman telling men how to be men is cringe.
Turning someone’s opinion on a topic into an opportunity to express your disdain for women is even more “cringe”.
Pretty sure I didn’t.
Can I just make the quick point that Douglas Is Cancelled is being made by ITV, not the BBC.
This isn’t nitpicking, it is relevant because ITV isn’t funded by the £175 p.a. Licence Fee that the BBC is, and is independent (hence their name) and runs off advert revenue. (The BBC doesn’t show adverts.)
So, your point that ‘Leftist are getting so anti CC the lefty publicly funded BBC is even doing a drama about it’ actually falls flat, and the leftist, publicly funded BBC are as leftist and pro LWCC as ever, and far from an anti CC drama are way more likely to do a drama depicting Boudicca as a black, Muslim, paraplegic lesbian.
Whether the writer Stephen Moffat wrote this drama and presented it to the BBC who rejected it ideological grounds, or whether it was always going to be made by itv, is unclear. Certainly Moffat is a good Lefty who wrote the rebooted Doctor Who and that was all BBC and all very left wing. But I don’t know if he just works freelance or is a BBC Company Man who went rogue to get this taboo film made. I don’t know. Either way the BBC didn’t make it and your point falls somewhat flat there.
However overall you make your case well against RWCC, but I personally disagree and I say ‘let this cook’ and see where it ends up. It’ll probably get Kosherified, but for now, I have zero sympathy for any Leftie for any reason at all, and if we were in power by golly by gosh we’d be cancelling ’em. Fuck ’em, right down to the cashier at Home Depot. Fuck ’em all.
Don’t be a fool. Use this power while you can. It’s how you exercise soft power against the anti-white. Whether or not it’s about Trump is irrelevant – push back for crying out loud.
I would very much dissuade WNs from anything that even remotely reminds of “cancel culture”. CC is exactly what normal apolitical people dislike most about mainstream liberals and wokeists. Many ordinary Whites, even those who are otherwise quite indifferent to our chief arguments, feel an instinctive aversion to wokeists and liberals intimidating and destroying people because of what they have written or said somewhere. It is many ordinary public servants, rank-and-file academics, teachers, police officers, doctors, social workers, journalists, actors and other entertainers who live in constant fear of being cancelled. It is exactly the the fact that we as White nationalists are against CC what makes our cause appealing to large parts of otherwise apolitical public (silent majority).
The people who you say have an ‘dislike’ of ‘cancel culture’ aren’t fighting it, though.
Also, they hate White Nationalists more than they hate ‘cancel culture’.
And, ultimately, we’re not doing ‘cancel culture’ because we don’t have access to the levers of character-assassination created by the jews (like ‘Libs of TikTok’).
Punishment isn’t a good way to ‘teach’ people anything but it can be a good future deterrent.
The assumption that ‘the Right’ can even occupy ‘the high moral ground’ in any way that is meaningful to those not ‘on the Right’ is dubious at best.
Our enemies hate us. They want to destroy us. Destroying them back is not only legitimate but necessary.
We’re not going to have a ‘normal society’ anymore (we haven’t since WWI), so stop worrying about trying to preserve it.
‘War’ isn’t a metaphor.
It’s something that’s already happening.
I forgot to mention another person who got cancelled this week: the streamer Destiny. He not only justified the assassination attempt against Trump but also said that Corey Comperatore, the innocent bystander who got killed, deserved to die. Destiny is now going through a rough time.
Destiny is an example of a well-chosen battle. He’s an influential high-profile liberal with hundreds of thousands of fans and what he said was especially egregious. There was no attempt at humor or irony. If you are going to dabble in RWCC, it should be limited to people like this, not proles.
I cannot think of a single war where only generals were harmed.
Haha, that’s amazing. Destiny has always been disgusting. “Bye, nigga!”
There are two areas where I think this analysis breaks down. (1) Targeting an individual for their actions isn’t ‘cancel culture’. Deploying the full weight of the ruling class to ruin someone’s life forever is cancel culture. Home Depot Hater Meemaw isn’t going to be chased to the ends of the earth by us. (2) It’s obvious the jewish-run ‘Libs of TikTok’ have their own agenda of targeting White people rather than jews or negros or browns. They’re not one of us and we should be careful lending any credibility to their actions. It’ll only end in tears.
As for Gass and Black, they’re legitimate targets and if it we possible to ruin them and put them ‘on the spot’ for the rest of their lives, it would be a valid project. Black and Gass aren’t going to have their electricity turned off any time soon but Home Depot Hater Meemaw just might.
But there is another aspect of Travis’ analysis that White Nationalists should be thinking about: Is the Right that isn’t White Nationalist ‘pro-White’?
Put another way: Is a victory by ‘conservatives’ and ‘the Right’ beneficial to our national project or isn’t it?
The first thing I would say is – referring back to ‘Libs of TikTok’ – is that any form of ‘white politics’ that benefits jews (or even permits them in leadership roles) will eventually end up being anti-White and more specifically anti-White Nationalism.
The second thing I would say is that White Nationalism is getting stronger while ‘conservatism’ and ‘the Right’ is getting weaker. WN must be careful about allying with a dying political form even when our interests momentarily align. This is not to say that we don’t do it, because our enemies are embedded everywhere within daily life and punishing Home Depot Hater Meemaw may sometimes be the better tactic than not doing anything at all.
But the simple truth is that mainstream ‘conservatism’ and the Mainstream Right are both jewish projects designed to make ‘white politics’ safe for jews and their non-White allies.
I’m sure that if I worked at Home Depot with Hater Meemaw, I’d be glad that ‘Libs of TikTok’ caused her to move on.
Yes, Hater Meemaw and Hater Firefighter are both ‘soldiers’ and not ‘generals’ in this race-war thrust upon White America and maybe that should be taken into consideration.
Still, I’m hard-pressed to think of a single war where soldiers didn’t get harmed more than generals.
Our enemies need to understand that we’re militant in the pursuit of our White interests. However, I don’t know if I’ve seen the argument for why a victory for ‘the Right’ is a victory for Whites. So far as I can tell, the Mainstream Right is composed almost entirely of jews who don’t like other jews but still hate White Nationalists even more.
Did Home Depot Hater Meemaw deserve to be ‘swatted’? If you had to work with her, would you be sad or happy that she is no longer in the workplace?
How does any ‘victory’ by the Mainstream Right translate into victory for Whites?
Home Depot Hater Meemaw is White. As White Nationalists, we have to recognize that we exist within the context of Heraclitus’ Lyre. We are held together by the dynamic tension of ‘(a) caring about White people because they are White’ and (b) recognizing that vast numbers of White people embrace anti-White politics.
Can we have a working ‘carrot’ (White Life in White ‘ethnostates’) if we don’t have a working ‘stick’ (cancel culture, etc)?
Let’s assume that ‘Libs of TikTok’ is ‘the stick’ in this scenario.
Where’s the White Nationalist ‘carrot’?
We’re reveling in sadism or trying to apply ex-post-facto justifications (or counter-arguments) to events over which, in the end, we neither initiated or seemingly can influence.
Consequently, our analyses seem draw to the vagaries of ethics rather than the concrete mechanics of furthering the White Nationalist cause.
Home Depot Hater Meemaw probably hates ‘white people’ just as much as she hates ‘Trump(tm)’ but it doesn’t matter because the jewish-controlled ‘Libs of TikTok’ probably hates White people as much as Home Depot Hater Meemaw.
As a White Nationalist I deplore the ruining of the life of a White person.
But given the current context, I don’t see any way of weakening the strangle-hold of anti-White attitudes among Whites without some Whites being harmed in some ways.
We’re at war.
And the real first casualty of war is morality, not ‘truth’.
While Travis types:
https://x.com/RealMessageEire/status/1814039135675470078
God bless the Irish. They have mettle in them yet.
Gyromite July 19, 2024 at 11:24 am
SCOTT: “They have NOT won. Seriously?”
GYRO: “Most of the Communist goals outlined in 1963 have been achieved […] “
I understand that Communists have successfully long-marched through the institutions ─ I see that every day ─ but they have not fully taken over and there are many (as yet mostly unexplored) avenues of resistance. If this were true (that they have already won) we probably would not even be having this conversation.
You make a good point about at-will states in terms of job security. That is why I am against termination without cause and without progressive discipline. But this does not mean that all employment is at-will. And even so, it would not be immune to collective action, just like Target with the pushback they got from their “cortporate woke.”
I am not challenging the idea of collective action on the part of White people ─ in fact the opposite is the case.
I am, however, wondering where this magical RWCC comes from. Posting on X?
Jesus wept.
I am willing to listen if anybody has any good ideas. We do have to pick our battles wisely and to work much smarter, not necessarily harder.
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Not disputing the sound arguments in the article and thread, simply observing the pleas for ‘unity’ (from staunch never-trump Trojan horses) and amount of ring-kissing we’ve been seeing in this past week is off the charts.
But predictable.
I’ll look for absolutely any excuse to trot out this apt and eternally evergreen quote. All concerned parties have substantial beards, as did this author who wrote:
“When I am weaker than you, I ask you for freedom because that is according to your principles; when I am stronger than you, I take away your freedom Because that is according to my principles.”
― Frank Herbert, Children of Dune
We haven’t had a president with facial hair since William Howard Taft in 1913. If you want power, clean shaven is the way to go.
Hear, hear!
I am Hegelian and 3rd Position which includes both Left and Right in synthesis. A bit of Fascism and Anarchy . Cancel culture is when one abolishes the other and both sides do that . Counter-Currents has many interesting posts and some I use to defend my white tribe. And I only say that because there are those that hate white . I have also support both the Black Front Press; Arktos and The Millerman School . So what do we all have in common here besides our differences I think is borders, language culture.
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