Krystyna Hutchinson and Corinne Fisher of the podcast Guys We Fucked.
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Is there anything more satisfying than when liberal virtue-signaling goes horribly wrong? If you answered “no” to that question, then have I got the story for you.
Krystyna Hutchinson and Corinne Fisher are two New York-based comedians best known for being the co-hosts of a podcast with more than a million subscribers, Guys We Fucked: The Anti-Slut Shaming Podcast. When Guys We Fucked (GWF) began in 2013, the original shtick of the show was that the two ladies would interview the men who they had had sex with in the past. Because that’s empowering and totally the opposite of slut-shaming, or something.
As one might expect, Fisher and Hutchinson eventually ran out of guys in New York who they had fucked, and so the podcast began to broaden its scope to include interview with various comedians, activists, and celebrities. Simultaneously, it also became more political (or “socially conscious,” as they would prefer), morphing into full-on SJWism, advocating pro-feminism, pro-gay rights, pro-trans rights, pro-hedonism, and generally pro-everything that is undermining Western civilization. As a result, in addition to becoming wildly popular, the ladies also became darlings of feminist media outlets, and have been featured in Cosmo, Vogue, Glamour, and the Huffington Post.
I know what you’re thinking right now. You’re thinking – and half of you are probably already Googling – “What ethnicity are these two?” I’ll get to that in a bit. But suffice to say, they don’t go to Mass on Sunday, they’re not too keen on bacon cheeseburgers, and they like to go to Chinese restaurants on Christmas, if you catch my drift.
Well, a couple of weeks ago, there was trouble in SJW paradise for the GWF gals when a clip from an early 2014 episode resurfaced and went viral. In the clip, Corrine Fisher (she’s the unruly one, you see – the Liam Gallagher to Hutchinson’s Noel, the Ren to her Stimpy), while gushing about her love of sex with black guys, got a little too honest and started saying some true things. And then Twitter lost its mind.
Soo here’s the clip. pic.twitter.com/VPZF0mtARq
— Oloni (@Oloni) September 17, 2018
I am going to reproduce the offending exchange from the podcast, but before I do, a word of warning. The following transcript contains graphic references to race-mixing. Do not read it while eating. If you have insomnia, this will probably make it worse, as the words here will haunt you. And if you don’t have insomnia, it may very well give you nightmares. So, with no further ado, this is from a 2014 episode of Guys We Fucked:
Fisher: I had sex with two dudes, and one was the black guy.
Hutchinson: Score!
Fisher: It was my second black guy, though. Everyone was like, “Oh, is that your first black guy?” And I’m like, um, excuse me, I’ve been fucking black guys since the early 2000s, thank you very much.
Hutchinson: Yeah, but you even said your first one didn’t count.
Fisher: But this was like a real black guy, like basketball player height, deep voice, lives uptown. He doesn’t act black enough, though.
Hutchinson: What do you mean? Like, talk black?
Fisher: Well, I just mean, like, act, more like . . . thug. I don’t like . . . black people who act like white people. And I know we’re gonna get a bunch of letters like, “What do black people act like?” Guys, we all fucking know when we say stereotypically what black people act like, and that’s what I like.
Hutchinson: Nico’s kinda like that [Nico is Hutchinson’s ex]. He’s got that hood swag, mmm, I love it.
And we’re back. I’m sorry I made you read that, but it is essential to the story. Let us continue.
As you can imagine, black Twitter flew into a tizzy upon discovering this. Blue-checkmark sex blogger Oloni led the pitchforked mob, tweeting, “Dear white women, black men are not sexual objects you can tick off your bucket list for your own sexual gratification.” Some random person of color named Emma tweeted out, “The Guys We Fucked podcasters really disappointed me with how they talked about black men but that’s on me for trusting white women in the first place.” And some other dopey cow tweeted, “Guys We Fucked have ALWAYS been racist, misogynistic garbage who fall into the ‘c’mon guys I’m a ~feminist~ but we all kinda think like this right?’ category of lazy comedy. Even when I was a baby feminist I thought, ‘Ew, gross.’”
The controversy then got picked up by Buzzfeed, BET, and the British newspaper The Metro, among others. The GWF duo promptly issued a formal apology, which is reproduced below:
Two lines in that apology really stuck out to me, right off the bat. First, there’s the fact that they felt the need to mention that they were “two straight Jewish-Americans.” I mean, you’ve gotta admire the balls on these two for trying to pull the race card at a time like this. “Yes, we said some racist stuff, but don’t forget about the Holocaust!!!” Do they not realize that the Jew race card only works on white people?
Second, there’s this bit: “At that time, our podcast was a much more salacious free-for-all about sex and dating compared to the more socially conscious conversation on gender, sexuality, and feminism it has become in later years.” This is a recurring theme among feminist and SJW comedians: When they start out, they are edgy and/or apolitical, and sometimes even show (or at least pander to) conservative sensibilities. But after achieving a certain level of success, they go full SJW. The archetypal examples of this would be Sarah Silverman and Amy Schumer (who also eat in Chinese restaurants on Christmas).
Sarah Silverman made her name by being the edgiest and most un-PC comedian on the scene by using everything up to and including outright racist humor. But having climbed her way to the top, Silverman turned around and disavowed her previous work, and now lectures comedians on how to be politically correct. Amy Schumer, the most successful of Silverman’s imitators, took a similar path to fame. Schumer started off doing dark and occasionally racist humor, and was a frequent guest on Fox News’ Red Eye, where she presented herself as a down-to-earth moderate. But after landing her own Comedy Central show, Schumer magically turned into a feminist SJW.[1]
Another amusing element of this story is that for white women (or, in the case of these two, “white” women), it’s like if you don’t wanna have sex with black guys, you’re racist because that means you just can’t see past the melanin to see the beauty of black men’s souls, and that’s racist. And if you do wanna have sex with blacks, that’s also racist, because then you’re “fetishizing black men.”
And I’m like, sheeeeeeeeeeiiiiit. Like black men don’t fetishize white women? Like black men are only into white women for their personalities? Gentile, please. White men aren’t even into white women for their personalities.[2]
That said, I completely agree that fetishizing black men is indeed terrible, albeit for entirely different reasons than black Twitter does (they think it’s racist, whereas I just think it’s gross).
Normally, when watching degenerate Jewish feminists being pelted with rotten fruit by angry blacks, my typical response is to make some popcorn and enjoy the spectacle. Normally, I would never say a word in defense of degenerate Jewish feminists in any situation. But there are a few aspects of this controversy which annoy me and prevent me from going full schadenfreude.
No one would be calling them white if they had cured cancer.
Here’s the real son of a bitch in this story: These two degenerate Jewish feminists are not being pelted with rotten fruit for being degenerate, or because they are Jewish, or even because they are feminists. No, it’s happening because they’re allegedly “white women” who said some allegedly “racist” things – some of which happen to be true.
Ironically, the parts of that GWF clip that ruffled black Twitter’s feathers were the parts I found the least offensive. I mean, if I wanted to hear a degenerate Jew ramble on about their love of black cock, I would listen to Milo Yiannopolous. But aside from that, Corinne Fisher said some things that were absolutely true. Sure, she said them by accident, but that doesn’t make them any less true.
Corinne Fisher said black people act a certain way. Check. She also said that “we all know” what that way is. Correct. All but the most deluded and self-deceiving know that. Fisher also said that blacks who “act white” are a deviation from the norm, are “not real black,” and that “real” black people act in a way that can be described as like a “thug.” Well, we can split hairs over the meaning of “real,” but the spirit of that statement is for the most part true.
STOP CALLING THEM THAT!!!
And seeing how this controversy is being used to generate anti-white propaganda, I feel the need to say a few words in their defense. But just know, Counter-Currents readers, that when you read these words, I am not defending two feminists, nor am I defending two degenerates, and I sure as hell ain’t defending two Jews. I am here to defend white people’s racial attitudes[3] – a subject very near and dear to my heart. Got that? If I’m white-knighting for anyone here, it’s for white racism. I’m throwing my coat over a puddle for hate!!!
So how do we know that black people act a certain way? And more importantly, how do we know that “we all know” what that way is?
First, there are many examples to be drawn from pop culture. For example, take the character Carlton Banks from the ‘90s sitcom The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air, or Steve Urkel from Family Matters. Both were intelligent, well-spoken, well-educated (Steve Urkel was a scientific genius, ffs), and ambitious young black men. You would think that these two would have been held up as role models for blacks. But it was quite the opposite. They were the targets of mockery specifically because they acted white.
But it goes deeper than that. In the case of Carlton Banks, the purpose of his character was to act as a foil to star Will Smith, who represented the “real black.” Smith’s character grew up in a majority black area in Philadelphia. He used to play basketball in the hood, got into fistfights, and spoke the language of the streets. That is what our society considers “real black.” Carlton Banks, on the other hand, had a wealthy upbringing, having little contact with other blacks. He had acquired the tastes, dialect, and mannerisms of upper class WASPs. As a result, he comes off as comically inauthentic. As in fake. As in “not real black.”
And here’s the thing: You’re supposed to prefer Will Smith to Carlton Banks. You’re supposed to prefer the “real black” to the “fake black.”
OG real nigga Will Smith with bitch-ass, Poindexter-talkin’, fake Uncle Tom, Carlton Banks.
Another pop-culture gem worthy of examination is the 1991 Ice Cube song, “True to the Game.” In each of the song’s three verses, Mr. Cube describes a different kind of black man who is most definitely not “true to the game.” In the first verse, it is the black man who moves out of the hood to the suburbs (“Trying to be white or a Jew, but ask yourself who are they to be equal to?”). In the second verse, he addresses black rappers who make white-friendly music (“Giving our music away to the mainstream, don’t ya know they [white people] ain’t down with the team [blacks]?”). In the third verse, he rails on black corporate ladder-climbers (“black man can’t be no yuppie”). But in all cases, one thing is clear: Associating with whites, living around whites, emulating whites, appealing to whites, and even dating whites (yes, early Ice Cube was both J-woke and opposed to race-mixing) all disqualify you from being “true to the game.”
This is one of the main differences between blacks and whites: White people value individualism, whereas black people value authenticity. In the white world, it is high praise to say that someone is “one in a million.” White people think it’s cool to “be your own guy.” White people think it’s a bad thing to “just go with the crowd,” because that means you’re not being an individual. White people might call someone insufficiently individualist a square, a lemming, sheeple, a Kool-Aid drinker, or an NPC (Non-Player Character). Even in White Nationalist circles, the term “normie” (meaning a person whose beliefs are normal by societal standards), while not necessarily a pejorative, does not have positive connotations.
However, in the black world, it’s all about authenticity. To blacks, it is high praise to be considered a “real nigga,” and being labeled a “fake nigga” is a grave insult. When blacks want to emphasize their sincerity, they say, “I’m being real with you.” When something dramatic is about to happen, they say, “Things are about to get real.” But what does it mean to be a “real nigga”? Well, it doesn’t mean you’re unique or individualistic. Uncle Toms are individualists. Presumably, “real niggas” all share certain qualities and values.
I digress. But the more important point is that not only does no one really believe that blacks and whites act the same way, but that no one really expects them to. And you know this is true by virtue of the fact that blacks are virtually immune to the #MeToo phenomenon. With some exceptions – which I’ll get to shortly – blacks simply cannot be #MeToo’d.
Above is a list of celebrities and media executives who were publicly destroyed as part of the #MeToo campaign up to mid-December 2017. The first thing about that list that will catch your eye is the sheer number of Jews there (something Larry David felt compelled to note). I know! And it doesn’t even include (((TJ Miller))), who got #MeToo’d in late December.
But the second thing you might notice about this list is how few black people are on it. Could it be that every rapper in existence is a perfect gentleman? Or could it be that no one actually expects black people to follow white behavioral standards?
Of course, there are some exceptions to this. Perceived “Uncle Toms” like Clarence Thomas and Herman Cain were fair game to be #MeToo’d. Bill Cosby was able to rape women for decades until he was branded an Uncle Tom for telling kids to pull their pants up – and we all know what happened after that. So Uncle Toms can be #MeToo’d.
Secondly, blacks who “play in a white man’s game” have to live up to white standards of behavior, and thus can also be #MeToo’d. For example, PBS anchor Tavis Smiley was #MeToo’d because only white people watch PBS. Blacks might have given him a pass, but when your audience consists mostly of old, white boomers, you must live up to old, white boomer standards.
But imagine if someone tried to #MeToo Snoop Dogg. Try to get a picture of that in your head. Imagine if some woman were to come out of nowhere and say, “Snoop Dogg once inappropriately groped my breast at a party in 1997.” Or imagine if a woman came out and said, “Back in 1993, Dr. Dre whipped out his dick in front of me while I was drunk.” Do you think anyone would remotely care? Do you think either of them would lose even one fan?
Feminist allies Snoop “Ain’t Got No Love For Hoez” Dogg and producer/poet Dr. Dre of “One Less Bitch I Gotta Worry About” fame.
This is not to say that high-profile blacks can go around doing whatever they want with women and face no consequences. They can definitely be punished for abusing women. James Brown and Mike Tyson are famous examples of this. But that’s not what I’m saying. What I’m saying is that blacks cannot be #MeToo’d – or at least, it’s really goddamn hard to #MeToo a black guy.
Being #MeToo’d involves more than just social shaming and getting fired. An important aspect of #MeTooism is social ostracism. The point of #MeToo is to make a person’s reputation so incredibly toxic that no one will be willing to associate with them publicly ever again. In theory, it’s about driving up the social costs for abusing women.
But the problem with that when it comes to blacks is that they will not ostracize one of their own just because white people tell them to do so. If anything, white people telling blacks to ostracize one of their own will more likely cause blacks to rally around said person (unless they are an Uncle Tom). And the reality is that blacks really don’t care all that much about men abusing women.
Remember when they tried to #MeToo Chris Brown for repeatedly beating the hell out of his girlfriend? His next two albums both went to number one. Tupac Shakur was convicted of rape – did time in prison for it and everything. But while Tupac was punished with jail time, he was not and never will be #MeToo’d. I dare you to find one black person who thinks Tupac Shakur should be ostracized and his music banned because he has a rape conviction.
Most blacks probably think that Tupac was innocent of the charge.[4] Blacks don’t do the whole “always believe women” thing, and are willing to entertain the possibility that rape accusers are gold-digging hoez if the accused has dope enough jams. But even if some black did believe Tupac to be a rapist, he would not then judge Tupac’s entire life by one act the way that, say, Congressional Democrats insist on Judge Kavanaugh’s thirty-plus-year law career being defined by a teenage groping incident. No one sees Tupac as a rapist who made some hip-hop albums. They see him as a guy who put out some good albums, and maybe raped a chick that one time. The rape is a footnote to an otherwise sterling career.
And, to return to how I started, all this is because no one really expects blacks to “act like white people.” No one really expects blacks to live up to white standards of civility. If a black person does do so, that’s great, but it’s also not the point. The point is that no one expects them to. If they did, blacks would be getting #MeToo’d left, right, and center. Because everyone knows that blacks act a certain way, and everyone knows that way is different from whites. And everyone knows that way can be described as “thuggish.”
I’m amazed that in 2018, this still needs to be explained. C’mon, guys. It’s the current year.
Notes
[1] Well, according to Amy Schumer, she’s actually been a feminist SJW the whole time, it’s just that early in her career, she was playing the character of a racist Republican. No kidding. She actually said that. She literally retconned the first half of her career!
[2] I can say that because I’m white.
[3] Yes, I realize that this article could have been a lot shorter if I had just written, “Dear black people, Jews are not white.” But where’s the fun in that?
[4] But then again, blacks also believe that OJ Simpson did not murder his wife and that Michael Jackson was a normal heterosexual.
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To ask the author: Why do blacks behave differently?
What is behind the racial conformism?
How is it that blacks who socialise with Whites seem to pick up different values?
Just genuinely interested in your or other commenters opinion?
The kinds of blacks who socialize with whites are, more often than not, outcast among other blacks. They were either too nerdy, too sensitive, too bookish, or gay. They just never fit in with other blacks and so they socialize with whites because they are more accepting of people like them. They often have few black friends.
As for WHY blacks behave differently and WHY they are conformist… Well, I see you are new around these parts. It’s complicated and can’t all fit into one simple comment
Most of it is evolutionary. They evolved in different environments and societies requiring different survival skills. They have a lower average IQ and higher levels of testosterone.
There a some contributing social factors. Being a minority just generally makes a people more tribal. Blacks also enforce conformity themselves by shunning blacks who are not “team players”.
‘Well, I see you are new around these parts’
Not as such. Insightful comments. Thank you for the reply.
I never paid much attention to (((Schumer))), as I had no idea she was a (((conservative))). I thought she was always an obnoxious, classless whore. Rather, I thought she always acted like one.
But I think it shows that many of these SJW types are just shilling for the shekels; and as soon as the tide turns, they will sing the praises of the white man.
While this was a very insightful article that probably deserves a better reply than mine, I just came here to say: Wow, these chicks are ugly af!
Fwiw, there have been numerous stories and at least one major court case about Andre “Dr. Dre” Young’s violence towards women. As for Calvin “Snoop Dog” Broadus, there is at least one major case of sexual assault with hush money far exceeding Stormy Daniels.
Yeah but that kind of proves my point. I mean, I’m not saying blacks are above the law in this regard. I’m saying that they can’t be #MeToo’d. #MeToo is a social death sentence where a person is metaphorically burned in effigy and given the full Damnatio Memoriae treatment over a mere accusation. Snoop still does commercials that air during the superbowl.
I also forgot to mention R Kelly in that article. He is legendary for being into underaged girls and was raked over the coals pretty bad for pissing on one. But I’ll be damned if he’s hasn’t had four #1 albums since then.
I was on Medium around the time Black Panther came out, and one very woke black writer was pointing out that hype does not real. In his comments, there was an ostensibly white guy who said, to the OP’s approval, “not to mention the fact that the original comic was written by two white guys.”
I responded “funny how they’re only white when it comes to criticism.” which after explaining to the commenter, who was intent on missing the point, that Stan “Lee” Lieber and Jack “Kirby” Kurtzberg wouldn’t call themselves white, he responded “I don’t know what their religion has to do with this.”
The same guy trying to pass off Black Panther as part of the White Man’s Burden expertly misses the point of its actual authorship, because making the same point, but truthfully is “anti-Semitic”. That’s the sin of noticing, in a nutshell.
It’s an interesting subject. Blacks are certainly held to a different standard by whites in many ways. Still, I would think the subtext to they’re not being #metoo’d is that women are covering for them. If blacks are different than whites because of genetics than that kind of thinking might leach into genetic differences between men and women. Uh-oh. This is ground zero for feminist mind-bending.
From the negro’s position the shit the “white” sluts stepped into really wasn’t about turning black men into objects, it was about calling them thugs. Curiously, the two sluts ignored all that in their apology and instead went into orthodox progressive mode and said they were open to POC on their show. They’re inclusive etc. The two women just side-stepped the whole thing and repeated the current talking points. And groveled of course. The groveling is key. It reinforces the victim totem pole hierarchy. Blacks are ferocious in protecting their top-of-the-pole victimhood. The two jewish women casually undercut black innocence. Presumed innocence and non-agency are essential in order to establish and maintain victimhood. A thug would have some sort of malignant, oppressive energy that is obviously self-generated since thugs are criminals at war with civil society. In order to keep the mind-bending paradox believable requires constant and repeated dissemination.
Another interesting point about all this is that “white” women are rather afraid of black men. The jewish women, attempting to be edgy and with grotesque bravado, either blundered into, or slyly dialed into this fear. “White” women want cops around. Blacks hate cops because they are front-line enforcers for white civil society. So, there’s a real problem here for the coalition. Signalling that blacks are thugs in a double bank shot way caused blacks to attack their erstwhile allies.
Thank you for your article.
Here’s the thing about the word “thug”. Tupac popularized calling yourself a “Thug”. He had this whole shtick about the word and how it meant “Time=God Hustlin’ Universal Gangsta” or some such. He had “Thug Life” tattooed on his stomach. So thanks to Tupac, it became very fashionable for blacks self-identify as “thug”.
What changed that was the Trayvon Martin and Mike Brown shootings. Conservative pro-police supporters started calling Trayvon Martin and Mike Brown “thugs”. “Those guys were thugs! No big loss!”
But then the media, in attempt to frame police supporters as racist, responded by insisting that “thug” was actually a codeword for “nigger”. Blacks had been calling themselves “thugs” for 20 years but once white people started calling blacks “thugs”, it became the new n-word.
Point here is that AT THE TIME when the Guys We Fucked clip was recorded, Mike Brown had not yet been shot yet. So “thug” was not quite the verboten word that it is today.
Hilarious and crazy. Thanks.
“And if you do wanna have sex with blacks, that’s also racist, because then you’re “fetishizing black men.””
This might actually be a good narrative for us to promote among the sjw/black Twitter crowd. Make it so it’s seen as socially unacceptable for whites to miscegenate with blacks due to it being inherently racist or white supremacist (“fetishizing black men”).
A ruse I have considered in the past is spreading the rumor among blacks that having sex with white women is how AIDS was spread to the black community. It would go something like this, “Most white people are immune to AIDS, and it ghosts through them, and becomes quickened in blacks.”
This is an absolutely superb essay.
Snoop Dog and Dr Dre are loathsome for many reasons, but I have one that may not impress anyone on this blog at this late date. I was a rap fan from 1988 to 1992 and got some decent entertainment from the genre. I quit it around 1992 for two reasons: the aforementioned two and their ilk, who deemphasized the musical, DJ elements; and the horrible rap ((journalism)), such as The Source, I think it was called, and lousy local freebie papers who misled me one too many times when it came to buying rap LPs (and it was so long ago that they were still vinyl album LPs or cassettes, not CDs). PM Dawn, Schoolly D, even Public Enemy and Ice T,…well, if you hate rap, I won’t convince you, like I said.
Excellent article Travis!! Its a great critique if the cognitive dissonance/inconsistency of the Die-versity-Femitheist Industry.
They got Kevin Spacey’s ethnicity wrong, nobody can tell me that he is not a jew, just look at him!
Kevin Spacey’s brother claims that their dad was a Nazi sympathizer. Now, he said this during the peak of Spacey’s #MeToo controversy so it’s possible that this is just some bullshit he made up to make people take some pity on Kevin. But he did say that.
The women who have bragged about tallying Chads to me have been so masculine as to not ever want my attention. The Chad did them a favor in my opinion.
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