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The Bernie Temptation

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A septuagenarian “socialist” may be the Democratic presidential nominee, and some on the Dissident Right can’t wait to support him.

Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders is rising in the polls, in spite of the Democratic establishment’s opposition. He narrowly lost to Hillary Clinton in 2016 under similar circumstances.

But 2020 is a very different race from 2016. In 2016, Bernie was up against one candidate with the entire establishment behind her. Now he’s in a crowded field where his message and authenticity stand out. Joe Biden, the establishment favorite, doesn’t have Clinton’s massive support or intimidating warchest. Sanders’s “democratic socialism”–better described as Left-populism–is at the peak of its popularity. He has tens of thousands of diehard supporters who will door knock and make robocalls for him. Nearly every Democratic candidate has taken ideas from Sanders’s agenda.

Many on the Dissident Right who have sworn off Trump seem eager to support Sanders. They see him as the real non-interventionist who will shake up the system and deliver single-payer healthcare. They point to his past support for immigration restriction and criticism of Israel as evidence he’s secretly based. They ignore his Jewish Communist background and his declaration of war against White Nationalism. Some Right-wingers want him to win to accelerate decline, others actually believe he will be better than Trump.

The Bernie temptation is ultimately moronic. He doesn’t want our support, doesn’t need our support, and hates us more than he hates the billionaires. His agenda will hurt white America, persecute identitarians, and suppress free speech. A Sanders win in 2020 will be a defeat for identitarianism and a victory for anti-white grievance politics. It certainly won’t be a triumph for “national bolshevism.” Sanders may tank the economy, but it’s not certain whether it will benefit us. Accelerationism isn’t a strategy to bet on, and wignats’ imaginary populist Left doesn’t exist. Bernie’s base wishes we were dead or in prison camps.

Just ask his field organizers, who all apparently want to gulag “Nazi” Trump supporters and kill prominent “racists.”

Do these guys look like they want an alliance with the Dissident Right? Bernie is Antifa’s favorite candidate for a reason. If you think that Antifa will somehow become our friend, then maybe supporting Bernie makes sense. You should also get your head checked by a doctor if you think that.

For those who are right in the head, this is an absurd proposal. We need to dispense with fantasies of allying with the far-Left against the establishment and focus on ourselves.

Sanders’s Right-wing sympathizers like to claim he’s actually good on the issues. He focuses on class politics, not identity politics. He supports immigration restriction. He opposes foreign interventions. And he used to argue against gun control.

But this is a false picture. Bernie champions identity politics as much as any other Democratic candidate. One of his chief pitches is the Green New Deal. The GND is supposed to combat climate change, but it’s really just a racial redistribution scheme. Sanders’s website touts the GND as “an opportunity to uproot historical injustices and inequities to advance social, racial, and economic justice, including redressing the exclusion of black, brown, Native American, and other vulnerable communities from the programs that made up the original New Deal.”

His plan would require racial quotas in hiring for “green jobs,” make it easier to claim “environmental racism” in court, and provide even more government handouts to non-white communities.

He strongly supports trans rights and believes the government should recognize a third gender.

This isn’t the post-identity politics Bernie Bros promised in 2016.

For most of his career, Bernie was sensible on immigration. He railed against corporate America’s desire for cheap labor and stood against guest workers. He voted against the 2007 amnesty (but did vote for the 2013 amnesty). In 2015, he famously called open borders a “Koch brothers” idea.

But that sensible Bernie is long gone. Now he supports open borders and considers immigration restriction racist. His immigration agenda is indistinguishable. He wants to legalize every illegal alien in the U.S. and decriminalize illegal border crossings; he wants to abolish Immigration and Customs Enforcement; he wants more refugees, he wants pared-down border security; and he wants to dramatically reduce deportations. There is nothing praiseworthy in this agenda.

Sanders is the favorite candidate among immigrant demographic groups by a significant margin. Many of his Iowa caucus voters were South Asians who can’t speak English.

Does this look like a voter base that wants anything to do with the Dissident Right?

Similarly, Sanders has ditched his sensibility on gun rights. He once was a moderate who supported the right to bear arms, but he now backs gun control measures that would disarm white America.

The one policy area Sanders shows any sense is foreign policy. He voted against the Iraq war, opposes saber-rattling toward Iran, and wants America to reduce its overseas presence. With Trump’s latest actions, this does seem like a breath of fresh air. However, the Vermont senator’s record is not that impeccable.

He supported bombing Serbia in 1999. In 2011, he co-sponsored a resolution calling for regime change in Libya, which gave then-President Barack Obama moral clout to intervene. Sanders adviser Matt Duss says that a President Sanders would likely intervene in the case of a “humanitarian crisis,” something Trump is less predisposed to do. Much of Sanders’s socialist base want America to stay in Syria to help Left-wing Kurdish fighters build a communist utopia. These voices would be represented in a Sanders administration.

Sanders would also likely apply pressure to nationalist governments in Europe. It’s easy to see him sanctioning Hungary, Poland, and a Matteo Salvini-led Italy if they don’t follow globalist orders.

Trump has disappointed on foreign policy, but Sanders is hardly any better.

Some Right-wingers may realize all of these problems and still want Bernie for the free healthcare and other benefits. That assumes that he will somehow pass single-payer (he won’t) and that these benefits won’t just be a massive racial redistribution scheme (they will). His plan to save the environment focuses more on helping lazy minorities than protecting the forests. The same will likely be the case with his healthcare plan, which likely won’t pass Congress anyway.

Even if you did somehow get single-payer, the Sanders administration would work hard to persecute you for your political beliefs. Think of this: People who share the same opinions as his communist field organizers will now get jobs at Homeland Security and the Department of Justice. These people would love to launch investigations against Right-wing dissidents and send them to jail. Sanders wants tech companies to censor more and his Antifa-sympathizing staffers will make sure Big Tech follows these orders. Out of all the Democratic candidates, Sanders is the most likely to put Antifa and democratic socialists into positions of power.

You may think Trump’s DOJ is bad, but just wait until there is a federal investigation against American Renaissance, VDARE, Counter-Currents, Steve Sailer, and This would be an Antifa fantasy, and Bernie will deliver it.

To summarize, Bernie will redistribute white resources to non-whites, enact open borders, take our guns away, censor our speech, launch military interventions to support Left-wing causes, and prosecute dissidents. He sure will shake up the DC establishment.

Some wignats will counter: “Drumpf already does that!!” Even if that were true (it’s not), the solution is to increase the shit exponentially? That’s not a serious argument.

The only argument left is the accelerationist one. This humble author agrees with Greg Johnson that the worse is often just worse, not better: “In the end, we can only win by winning.” A President Sanders may make more Americans identitarians, it may make more of them accept dispossession. The one thing absolutely clear is that things will be far worse for the Dissident Right, and fewer Americans will be able to hear our message.

The desire to support Sanders comes from frustration with Trump. Many on our own side feel so betrayed by Trump that they want him punished and think anybody will be better. Bernie demonstrates the same insurgent energy of Trump’s 2016 and Right-wingers love a revolt against the corrupt establishment. Butthis energy is coming from our mortal enemies and is not something we should join in.

Many on our side fantasize about an alliance with the far-Left against the center and feel that communists and socialists are our natural allies, not Trump-supporting Boomers. No examples or evidence exist to back up this thesis, but people persist in believing it. Wignats believe that Antifa will take off their masks and embrace them as brothers when they hear about their support for single-payer healthcare.

Anyone who believes that a shared position will lead to an alliance should remember that White Nationalists were kicked out of anti-war protests last month. The far Left doesn’t even want our help to stop war with Iran.

A Sanders-Trump election will certainly be a happening and further polarize the nation. But Sanders is not the one we should support.


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  1. Levi Coult
    Posted February 5, 2020 at 5:32 pm | Permalink

    Any white person who supports Trump at this point is either brain damaged or a subversive.

    • Greg Johnson
      Posted February 5, 2020 at 6:31 pm | Permalink

      Sixty million white people are brain damaged or subversive?

      • Moe Stewart
        Posted February 5, 2020 at 8:41 pm | Permalink

        Trump for all his faults still speaks to the general conservative character of America’s white electorate, and because his immigration policies if allowed to continue past 2020 would be more beneficial for whites than if we had Bernie’s “pathway to citizenship” nonsense, Trump easily seems to be the best choice from the utilitarian perspective. Immigration matters more than anything else, and Sanders is objectively worse on that issue from a WN perspective. Trump’s Zionism to me honestly seems like a grift to get Evangelicals and the more neoconny Republicans on board his agenda, and if Trump were the absolute worst candidate for white people, why are his approval ratings with Republicans (and it should be noted that most Republicans are white) at 97%? The only reason I see people in the Dissident Right drift to Bernie is due to the fact that some lower middle class white voters like him, and because he gives off genuine populist energy.

        • Lord Shang
          Posted February 8, 2020 at 5:52 am | Permalink

          Many Dissident Rightists are lazy, repulsive people, just like Nazis and fascists and Klansmen so often have been in the past. They are also similarly mentally unstable. True white patriots are like, well, me: true conservatives who actually take their conservatism seriously and comprehensively. The problem with the American conservative movement was not that it was conservative, but that its understanding of the content of conservatism was ridiculously narrow, and that it intentionally avoided THE foundational element in true conservatism, which is the recognition that racial identity and preservation is its first (but certainly not only) principle. Whatever one is trying to conserve in a society, surely its ethnonational identity is the substrate of everything else.

      • Eihwas
        Posted February 5, 2020 at 11:27 pm | Permalink

        Honestly, I am going to go with brain damaged at this point, by the decades of diversity and multiculturalism propaganda and the republican normie, virtue posturing. I voted Trump, and took the shaming that came with admitting that. I think a Bernie win – and its damage to the DNC – is a better blow against the globalists than another four years of Trump. I am particularly incensed at his allegiance with Israel and American Jewish interests.

        • Eihwas
          Posted February 5, 2020 at 11:30 pm | Permalink

          That said. This article and your made salient points that are generally convincing.

          • Eihwas
            Posted February 5, 2020 at 11:35 pm | Permalink

            Okay. After a real read and consideration – I am back on the Trump train and will work to dissuade family and friends from Bernie more so than I have been – I often drew their attention to Tulsi and Yang anyway.

      • Vauquelin
        Posted February 6, 2020 at 12:44 am | Permalink

        Call me a fool but I believe it’s high time Americans suffer the sort of stifling Milquetoast Marxism and Labour-ism that has held sway over Western Europe for decades, if only to prove that so-called Socialism is not a one shot solution to all of their problems and that the grass is not greener on the other side. The only reason the Berniebros are riding high today is because America has never had to deal with attempted implementation of soft-Marxist policy and as such are free to make up any siren calls they want to lull the masses into their camp, who don’t know any better.
        That said, of course Bernie would be worse for whites than Trump, and of course he could signal the rise of Hugo Chavez types down the road, culminating of course in Maduro-style poverty and tyranny, which all the roads of Marxism lead to. Behind the soft liberal exterior of the Bernie movement you can already at this point the baying Leninists within the ranks, trans Stalin wannabe rejects with vocal sexual fantasies about destroying people like you and me, that being whites and all of “whiteness.”
        Let Marxism come to power if it will, but please don’t let it happen with white votes, let alone white nationalist votes. Let Marxism always be a tool of foreign forces and peoples, and let anti-Marxism always be white and native.

  2. Randy
    Posted February 5, 2020 at 5:56 pm | Permalink

    True true and true. I don’t see that there’s much choice other than voting Trump again.

  3. Vegetius
    Posted February 5, 2020 at 6:06 pm | Permalink

    Vote Trump.

    There is no indication that some sort of Leninist acceleration is appropriate now or will be in the next four years.

    Instead there is every indication that the dominant left-center coalition that is our main political enemy is on the verge of breaking apart right before our eyes.

    As I see it anyone who would do anything that risks placing the executive powers of the national security state in the hands of an actually-existing Jew is behaving in an objectively anti-white manner.

    So vote Trump. Lie about it online, if that helps. But vote Trump and get as many people as you can to do the same.

  4. Ambrose Kane
    Posted February 5, 2020 at 6:21 pm | Permalink

    I shake my head when I hear of seemingly racially-conscious whites expressing their support for a Bernie presidency, or at least considering it. Why would any Heritage American who is informed and has an ounce of racial awareness vote in good conscience for an old communist-sympathizing Jew? Not only does Antifa support him, but the man has declared his opposition to white nationalism, which in his mind means any white person who dares to advocate on behalf of their racial and cultural interests?

    Even if one is more inclined toward socialism, Bernie is not the guy you want if you’re white. He aligns with all the wrong people, the very officials who are hellbent on further displacing whites from America. Plus, as a Jew he will NEVER side with traditional or conservative whites. In fact, Bernie has recently become more outspoken in his support of Israel and his opposition to ‘anti-Semitism.’ That right there should be all we need to know.

    • Lord Shang
      Posted February 8, 2020 at 6:12 am | Permalink

      Good points. Any white who supports (((Sanders))) in any way is a race traitor, pure and simple. You don’t get to call yourself pro-white and then vote for a Jewish Marxist. Enough. It’s time to make the White Right RIGHT again.

  5. William Wallace
    Posted February 5, 2020 at 6:30 pm | Permalink

    Bernie is a Koch brother sell out. He sold out in 2016, and he’s going to sell out in 2020. And what’s worse, he called Clinton a sell out — and he supported her. He shafted his grassroots movement to shill for the DNC. And the exact same thing is going to happen again. He’s a sell out that leads his delusional shitlib fan base around by the nose so that they stay loyal to the Democrat party.

    The entire Democratic party hates him and the media smears him and he takes it in the ass. Because he knows what he’s doing. It’s all political calculation. He ran against Hilary Clinton in the Democratic primaries and called her a corporate sell out, then when his party shafted him he supported her campaign. The media calls Bernie sexist because he opposes Warren, Bernie stays silent. Trump mentions that the media smears Bernie and Bernie attacks Trump for spreading fake news. His supporters call Biden corrupt, and Bernie comes to Biden’s defense.

    How anyone could waste time with Sanders after what happened with the DNC in ’16 is stupefying. And you know what the worst thing is? Bernie Sanders knows open borders are the antithesis of his whole pro-worker campaign. Wrote articles about it, even. He just doesn’t care. He’s a knowing sell out. No integrity.

    Even Ron Paul called him a sell out, after he ended up voting for Dodd-Frank — which is what the banks wanted. But he doesn’t care because he knows full well his ignorant voters (and to be fair 99% of people) have no idea what Dodd-Frank is;

    It just goes to show how dumb his supporters are, maybe the American people in general. He is the most anti-bank person in rhetoric and literally carries the water and ball-sack for the federal reserve. It’s the equivalent of a Westboro Baptist Church member going on national television saying “god hates f*gs” and then going home and having someone from Grindr come over to suck his dick.
    Realistically, if by some miracle he becomes president, he’s just going to increase taxes and get Whites to give more of their money to Blacks through public welfare and social programs.

  6. Robert Pinkerton
    Posted February 5, 2020 at 6:42 pm | Permalink

    KRALIZEC = Typhoon struggle (from God Emperor of Dune

    • Peter Quint
      Posted February 6, 2020 at 7:22 am | Permalink

      Actually Leto II explains that to his father Maud Dib out in the desert when he takes control of the strings to the “Golden Path” from him in “Children Of Dune.” By the time of “God Emperor Of Dune” rolls around it is 3,508 years into Leto II reign–KRALIZEC has already happened. I am into “The Heretics Of Dune” now, and I have to say that all the books have been page turners.

      • Robert Pinkerton
        Posted February 6, 2020 at 10:22 am | Permalink

        Sir, I thank you twofold, first for the correction itself (I last read all six shortly before the turn of the century.), second — no irony express nor implied — for the gentlemanly manner in which it was rendered.

        • Peter Quint
          Posted February 8, 2020 at 10:12 am | Permalink

          Nice to meet another “Dune” fan; I read the first book when I was in my early 20’s, but I was much too inexperienced, and unsophisticated to understand all the themes running through the books. I shall probably try to reread the series again, a few years down the road, before I shuffle off this mortal coil. I think if Frank Herbert was alive today, he would be sympathetic to our cause.

  7. Charles
    Posted February 5, 2020 at 7:01 pm | Permalink

    I was planning on voting Bernie in the primary and Trump in the general. Thinking was,”Trump will crush him. And if he doesn’t, at least Bernie is antiwar and he opposed immigration in the past.”

    Now I’m not so sure. Bernie/antifa presidency sounds pretty scary. I’d rather have a moderate Democrat.

    • Lord Shang
      Posted February 8, 2020 at 6:07 am | Permalink

      I’m actually going to vote for the disgusting Bloomberg in the open primary. Trump has no chance of losing my state in the primary, so my vote doesn’t matter. I’m truly scared of Bernie. Bloomberg is a liberal Jew, terrible on every issue. But I don’t think he hates whites (well, any more than most Jews do), or capitalism or America. I can survive a Bloomberg regime. But shitbag Sanders could ruin my retirement and healthcare as well as my race. Fuck him and anyone who would vote for him.

  8. 4 of July (Sanders)
    Posted February 5, 2020 at 7:20 pm | Permalink

    My vote for Trump in 2020 will be like all the other “votes for the lesser of two evils” I’ve cast since the mid-80s when I became eligible to vote. I’m used to it and have no problem doing it again. It’s easy, the precinct is near my house and it’s not crowded. That said, it does sting to remember the one time in 2016 I was inspired to vote for something and not against something, and to have axtually won (?).

    It’s naive at best for an American to vote Sanders.

    P.S. Is there a reason you make your commenters truncate their “names” when they sign in? I wanted to call myself “Fourth of July, Asbury Park (Sanders)” in tribute to the Springsteen song, but it cut me off to the inadequate handle you see. Other sites let me do stuff like that, why not here?

  9. Orcish
    Posted February 5, 2020 at 7:58 pm | Permalink

    Hmm, I do like seeing Sanders win. I don’t think he can beat trump, so part of my satisfaction stems from this. Anti interventionism would be good and totally worth a sanders presidency. However, what I think I like about him is his opposition to the establishment and it’s rancor against him. A sanders victory I suppose would be a form of accelerationism, but I think of it rather as paradigm smashing than “worse is better.” As old paradigms of the establishment are broken people will start to see things in a new light. As the promises of these paradigm breakers are realized to be unfulfillable, their followers will seek new political strategies and ideas and may become populists, in much the way Ron Paul supporters migrated to the dissident right. This doesn’t need a sanders election win, only his winning the nomination. I still think the Democratic Party is going to fission soon. Certainly when AOC and her cadre get old enough to run.

  10. John Smith
    Posted February 5, 2020 at 9:31 pm | Permalink

    I refuse to vote Trump because I’m a single issue voter on immigration. He failed.

    But I’d never vote for Sanders, that’s for damn sure. A rabid commie Jew? Uh, no thanks.

  11. CSC
    Posted February 5, 2020 at 10:37 pm | Permalink

    Excellent points, with which I can’t disagree. It’s important to get our heads and hearts straight, but the question is ultimately moot.
    The Democrat ticket will be Warren and Buttigieg. And Trump will be reelected.

  12. Rhodok
    Posted February 6, 2020 at 12:30 am | Permalink

    Accelerationists forget one thing: if this is a multi generational decline (per Oswald Spengler), then accelerating a 400 year decline may work, but they won’t see the end of it. And they sure won’t see the upswing that may follow 500 or a 1000 years after that.

    But they will feel the Bern!

  13. Another Ghost
    Posted February 6, 2020 at 12:57 am | Permalink

    Americans seem to want their own Macron. Perhaps there are fantasies of our own ‘Yellow Vest’ uprising as Bernie accelerates thought-crime to punishable by law. But it feels like this has been set in motion for some time.

    So many on the right like Dinesh DSouza proclaiming “The Dems are the real racists” as Conservatives adopt Liberal social values and try to helm the moniker of diversity with less virulent hatred for whites but with more obliviousness. Meanwhile Richard Spencer’s ilk defends Bernie, looks past his Socialism and want a white Left.
    I guess a Democrat “plantation” for poor whites.

    The parties seem to be switching sides in many ways, though still both unpalatable to white concerns.

    With Bernie however I really do believe a Socialist Jew will fall in line with . . . history’s Socialist Jews, and all that entails.

  14. R.ang
    Posted February 6, 2020 at 1:52 am | Permalink

    Personally I don’t think Sanders has a chance against Trump. Democrats are loosing black support and I don’t think there are enough illegals that would be able to vote yet. Neither do college kids make up the majority of voters. And, as opposed to Trump, Sanders doesn’t even look like a leader. He looks like a fragile old man that should’ve retired at least a decade ago.
    Should he win though, there are only two ways it could go south:
    1) he ends up bending to the establishment and doesn’t enforce any of his leftist dreams, ruffling antifa and the like
    2) he does enforce his leftist dreams and causes civil war in America.

    Enforcing a socialist utopia might also be a wake up call for more Europeans.

  15. R_Moreland
    Posted February 6, 2020 at 2:38 am | Permalink

    If the US were a reasonable republic then the way elections would work is like this: voters would carefully weigh the issues to choose candidates who then went to the capital to represent their constituencies’ interests. If a politician failed to represent those interests, when the next election rolled around the electorate would vote for a different candidate to send to the capital. Presumably, this cycle would continue until candidates got elected who would really represent the interests of their constituencies.

    Or something like that…

    The dilemma is that we do not live in a reasonable republic. The US is ruled by…what? An oligarchy headed by a hostile (and possibly demented) globalist elite, whose diktats are enforced by a corrupt managerial-technocratic class.

    For those who think White people can sit out the 2020 election, consider this: after four years of a Democratic or cucked GOP administration, will true nationalist candidates arise to give White voters a real choice for 2024? Or will the window have shifted so far to the left that no recovery could be feasible? If this evaluation is wrong, can anyone come up with a scenario in which a White nationalist with a reasonable shot at the presidency comes to the forefront in 2024?

    To repeat a point, Trump is a front in a greater struggle.

    As long as he is in the White House, Trump casts light on the shadow show projected on the cave wall. The political-economic capital which the System carefully built up during the New Deal and into the Cold War has been dissipated in an orgy of de-industrialization, online censorship, fake news, mob violence and the recent farce of the impeachment hearings. Terms like “Deep State,” once confined to the shadow regions of conspiracy theory, are now common usage. The Curtain is being slowly drawn back to reveal the Man Behind, pulling the levers generating the shadows.

    Trump is held in high regard by large numbers of White Americans. I’d speculate the reason is that they consciously or unconsciously see him as an avatar of the once and future White America. Let us not discount the claim from the left that events like the recent Richmond 2nd Amendment rally are really shows of White power.

    Regardless of policies, Trump has given nationalists room to maneuver. Call it the lesser of two evils. Call it the meta-political high ground. Call it a reasonable opening for a White republic.

    271 days until election 2020 and counting…

    • Jim B
      Posted February 9, 2020 at 4:32 pm | Permalink

      Regardless of policies, Trump has given nationalists room to maneuver. Call it the lesser of two evils. Call it the meta-political high ground. Call it a reasonable opening for a White republic.
      WTF? You mean all the nationalists that have been sued, doxxed, arrested and deplatformed since Trump took office?

      Almost every poster acts like things can’t get any worse under a Trump second term but he doesn’t make that call and even if he did he wouldn’t be defending white racial advocates. The ADL and other Jewish groups ultimately make that call and have been lobbying the DOJ and FBI very hard to criminalize white nationalism using various entrapment schemes and to label it a top “domestic terror” threat.

  16. Antidote
    Posted February 6, 2020 at 3:15 am | Permalink

    I can’t believe the Top Jews, the big money Jews would ever let Sandberg get the nomination. They’re talking about superdelegates again; they’re floating Bloomberg—promising to give billions to the negroes; they’re talking about the arrival of a celebrity ‘super magic negro’ like Muh Shell or Orca.
    In any case I’m still on the Trump Train. A couple of days ago when Don Le Mon mocked the shit out of the White race with smears, tropes, slurs, stereotypes, and canards both the President and Ivanka defended us.

  17. Bruno Bucciaratti
    Posted February 6, 2020 at 6:22 am | Permalink

    By 2024, no Republican will ever be able to win the White House again due to demographic change.

    I’d rather a clownish Octegenarian now than a young, angry Stacey Abrams-type in four years.

    Plus, if Bernie wins, these Moogatard Boomers have to suffer right along with us. We know we’re losing; they are under the delusion we are not.

  18. John Wilkinson
    Posted February 6, 2020 at 6:35 am | Permalink

    I’ve made comments previously that I’m not going to vote this election, but only because I live in a deeply red state that Trump has next to 0% chance of losing. If I lived in a blue or “purple” state, I’d most certainly vote for Trump.
    No politician who openly affiliates with the Democratic Party is ever going to be worth voting for. That includes Wang and Gabbard btw. They all openly endorse antiwhite policies, even if some of their other positions are tolerable.

    My choice to not vote is a sort of vote in itself. I think the GOP needs to see a low turnout (even if Trump is ultimately re-elected). They need to be sent a message if some sort. The Democrats need a message too. If Trump wins the Electoral College again But has an even wider deficit in the popular vote, it will send democrats into a tizzy, and I will enjoy seeing that. Therefore, for me, choosing to not vote this season is a logical choice…but ONLY because I live in a red state that Trump won’t lose. If any CC reader who lives in a purple state like Michigan or Florida is thinking about not voting or voting for a democrat or 3rd party candidate, I’d highly encourage you to reconsider.

  19. D.M.
    Posted February 6, 2020 at 6:52 am | Permalink

    The failed impeachment is the launch–the breaking of the champagne bottle on the bow–of Trump’s 2020 campaign. The long, hard-fought victories of Trump and Brexit, events which coincide, make the political winds right for him and the cause he represents.

    The Left is still responding to the IDEA of Trump–of the populist who rudely broke the globalist narrative–rather than to his actual record as president. That makes it easy for us also to support the idea of him and to further the cause of national populism.

    Trump the office holder hardly matters at this point. He has served his purpose–and will continue to serve it in a second term–better than any other candidate.

    Jeff Sessions is running for his old Senate seat. Sessions is a better Trumpian than Trump. Perhaps new victories over the DEMs will help to solidify the Stupid Party as a national populist party.

  20. D.M.
    Posted February 6, 2020 at 7:02 am | Permalink

    Another thought: the prospect of Trump having to run against a commie-sympathizing Jew is just too delicious.

    So if you want to vote for Bernie, then register Democrat and vote for him in your state’s primary. If a Trump-Bernie contest is staged, Trump will get to see the results of all his Jew-pandering. It may help to break him loose from his Zionist pseudo-coalition.

  21. HamburgerToday
    Posted February 6, 2020 at 8:10 am | Permalink

    For some time now, the Democratic Party is the political party of the Mud People And Those Who Love Them. They used to get past the White working man by claiming to fight for labor, but they don’t even bother to do that anymore. As far as I am concerned, the party’s slogan should be ‘We with the Muds!’.

    • Alexandra O
      Posted February 6, 2020 at 10:38 am | Permalink

      Right to the point! The only labor organizing I’ve witnessed in Los Angeles is La Raza and Friends demanding Minimum Wage rise to $15 nationwide, which would include the majority of their people, as well as most Blacks. Intelligent White people who are not college grads go to city, county, state and federal jobs where they receive paid health care from day one. You don’t need Bernie for that, use your own brains!
      Also, private property ownership would take a hit under any system of serious socialism, which would affect White Nationalists from buying large tracts of land or even apartment buildings in which to begin organizing. Without private home ownership, what is the point of ‘taking back our homelands’? I see the Democrat/Socialists, ruled by Bernie, as our sworn enemies on every front.

  22. Hinterlander
    Posted February 6, 2020 at 10:53 am | Permalink

    Great article! I’m sick to death of the accelerationism nonsense being promoted by wignats like Eric Striker et al. Wignats fundamentally do not understand how normal white folks think and act (or have questionable motives). A Bernie presidency will not bring Bernie bros over to our side en masse when he inevitably disappoints them, in the unlikely event that he wins the presidency. These accelerationist types are like jilted girlfriends, and they are upset at Trump for things that are largely out of his control.

    Yes, Trump has been horrible in many ways. But he has brought many over to our side, including myself, by bringing to light the malicious nature of the media among other things. That this is unintentional on his part does not matter. Despite his many faults he still pisses off all the right people and makes the enemy’s mask slip constantly. Restrictions on speech and guns, which are part of the globohomo agenda, will surely be implemented if Bernie is elected as the author stated. This will in no way help us. As long as normal folks have diversions like sports ball, Netflix, and weed they won’t care and will not be spurred to revolution by loss of these freedoms.

    There is no imminent wignat revolution whether Bernie becomes president or not. We should buy more time, have more White children, build strong White communities, and focus on bringing normal White conservatives over to our side (I will admit most boomers are a lost cause but they are not the future anyway). Thinking that antifa types are going to be mass converted to our way of thinking is moronic, and I would argue not even desirable in many cases!

  23. Blue Collar
    Posted February 6, 2020 at 11:36 am | Permalink

    “Bernie was sensible on immigration. He railed against corporate America’s desire for cheap labor and stood against guest workers.”

    That is the correct belief. America’s unions were strongest a generation (30 years) after the 1924 immigration restriction act, and they were falling apart by the late 1990s, a generation (30 years) after the 1965 Immigration act. Immigration isn’t the only influence but it is a strong one.

    Bernie Bros should know that you cannot save the entire world at once. You first must save your own people from being invaded and degraded before you can reach out and help people in foreign countries. How can you help everyone when you don’t have your own nation fixed?

    Furthermore, it isn’t workers versus owners as Marxists believe but a problem of people getting more money than they deserve at the far end of the spectrum. It goes from raw material extraction, to manufacturing, to distribution, to sales and retail, to services. Jewish billionaires are more invested on the services end and even Jews individually tend to do high end service jobs and be doctors, lawyers, and psychologists at much greater rates. Meanwhile, blacks in Africa must dig for blood diamonds or have limbs chopped off. The solution, Bernie Bros say, is to let the blacks come to western nations. The real problem is billionaires, about a third of whom in the US are Jews.

    Also, Bernie Bros don’t understand that IQ is correlated with national wealth by 0.75, so even if we stop companies from ripping off third world countries, most of the cause of their poverty will remain. You can only help people so much. Now, IQ within nations is only correlated with income by 0.30, meaning other things are parasitic on IQ such as family status and Myers Briggs type have a far greater impact in determining wealth within nations, so the leftist, who is smart about people on an intuitive level, may have sensed this and may rightly believe that extremely high-earning people are scum and deserve to have their ill-gotten gains removed, but this doesn’t extend internationally very well. Marxism or calling for an international workers’ revolution is impossible. Unions were strongest in the 1960s when they will filled with industrious, high IQ, high testosterone, socially connected, white males of a similar ethnicity. Testosterone and IQ predict altruism along with genetic similarity. Marxism is a universalist con job that attempts to take an organic context-dependent social phenomenon and extend it to the whole world. Marx meant well, but Jews such as him or Milton Friedman seem to make it all about the workers or all about the investors while not thinking about the economy as an interdependent system with context-specific determinants such as social relatedness or IQ. The real wealth in the world is intelligence, creativity, and a culture conducive to each. Really, everything we have now is a return on investment of these things functioning. They are gifts from our ancestors who leftists call evil dead white males. Calling them that is a nasty parasite’s contempt for their host.

    The problem with leftist people is that they cannot think in terms of systems very well, so they reach for humanitarian stances as if they are entirely separate and unrelated. However, they are related and often contradictory. You cannot have strong unions along with a continual stream of non-white strike breakers. However, capitalism forces you to maximize your customer base by claiming to like everyone, as Adam Smith said, and today this includes claiming to like illegal alien invaders, so ironically, this capitalist mindset plagues Bernie’s mind and the minds of his followers. They cannot discriminate against their voting customers despite it contradicting their commitment to strong unions!

    I agree that Bernie would be horrible for us. I know his supporters unyieldingly believe I am super evil, so I must be very cautious of them, but the whole thing is a shame. Things are so unraveled now by mass immigration and a globalized marketplace that the right answers are so garbled up by competing interests that what is best for everyone is never said anywhere.

    • Orcish
      Posted February 6, 2020 at 1:08 pm | Permalink

      Part of the reason that wealth is not strongly correlated with IQ within nations is that many very high IQ persons are in low IQ niches such as academia or the arts (CounterCurrents writers!?). While some of the highest earners are the duh foobball crowd(pro athletes) and entertainers, mainstream politicians. But which of the two groups contributes to overall wealth of a nation more?

      • Orcish
        Posted February 6, 2020 at 2:14 pm | Permalink

        I meant “many high iq persons are in relatively low income niches,” of course.

  24. A.M.
    Posted February 6, 2020 at 2:24 pm | Permalink

    Hmm. “Many on our side fantasize about an alliance with the far-Left against the center and feel that communists and socialists are our natural allies, not Trump-supporting Boomers. No examples or evidence exist to back up this thesis, but people persist in believing it. ” There is an example. I am a communist, a tankie no less, lazy even, and I sympathize with you, and consider you my natural allies, even though most of you don’t reciprocate, and regularly depict me like the most evil thing in all of being. I sympathize with you anyway, which means I really do. You regularly imply liberals are only bad because they’re like me, that isn’t true. I believe that ethno-states are a better way to organize the world than multi-cultural globalism, that people would be happier living that way, and that they would be more capable of building socialist societies that way. Most communists throughout history believed that, they simply assumed that socialist states would also be ethnic, because ethnicity was simply implied by statehood for most of history. Ethnic self-determination through statehood was a fundamental principal of Leninism. It’s why the Russian Empire was divided into the the soviets that made up the Soviet Union, each soviet corresponded to an ethnicity, and was in effect a federated socialist ethno-state. Lenin was actually more nationalist than the czar. You have to be an idiot to think Antifa is Leninist. Nearly any white nationalist is closer to being a Leninist than Antifa. Yes, I am against the Antifa too, and no, it actually isn’t communist. When it comes to any orthodox interpretation of communism it considers it fascism just like white nationalism, which means it’s actually psychotically against it. To summarize, everybody you think is a communist isn’t, I’m probably the only real communist in the west, and I sympathize with you, so you’re wrong about the far left never doing it. Oh yeah, and I’d vote for Trump and not the “socialist”, at least he’s an honest capitalist douche.
    P.S. If you’re also a communist reading CC, leave a reply, I’d love some friends. The Antifa won’t invite me to any of their gay bathing suit contests since I voted for Trump.

    • nineofclubs
      Posted February 6, 2020 at 9:49 pm | Permalink

      @ A.M. You are not alone.

      The siren song of capitalism is irresistible to some who identify as alt-right or dissident right.

      Others see capitalism as a kind of hapless victim of politically correct ‘leftists’ – it’d be fine if only all those corporate board members would stop taking their orders from scruffy Trots.

      I don’t believe this latter theory stands up to scrutiny. Capitalism is corrosive.

      Like you, I’m a socialist and I’ve been here on CC for years. In Australia, there are still quite a few of us who believe that genuine, Australian socialism is national. We believe that socialism can’t survive without an ethno-state – and that the ethno-state can’t survive without socialism.


      PS. I’m not welcome at antifa or Trot soirées either.

      • Lord Shang
        Posted February 8, 2020 at 5:45 am | Permalink

        You are correct that socialism cannot exist apart from being ensconced within a high-trust ethnostate. You are utterly incorrect that an ethnostate must be socialist, or should even try to be. What it would be in fact is “National Capitalist” – essentially capitalist, but with legal limits on any capitalist activities which threaten ethnonational security or survival. America (and Australia, too, I believe) used to be capitalist ethnostates, even if not called such.

        • nineofclubs
          Posted February 8, 2020 at 5:02 pm | Permalink

          @Lord Shang.

          I disagree. Capitalism is incompatible with an ethno-state. The drive for profit and economic growth will always lead to demands for open borders. Societies such as the US and Australia, in the past, managed such demands by having strong labour unions and the threat of communism to keep a muzzle on the worst capitalist excess. With the fall of the Soviet Union and the diversion of the left post-‘68 into Trot irrelevances, capitalism’s natural tendencies have gone unchecked l.

          This – in a nutshell – is why the our nations are in such a bad way. Reagan, Thatcher, Von Mises and Friedman have done more damage to us than all the leftists in history because they’ve enabled capitalism, when earlier states kept it in check.

      • A.M.
        Posted February 9, 2020 at 1:49 pm | Permalink

        Thank you, nineofclubs. I’m actually not totally new, but rarely comment. In fact, you and hamburgertoday are consistently my favorite commentators. I’m guessing he’s from Australia too. There are also many illiberal communists and socialists in Eastern Europe, where I’m from, as well as Asia, and South and central America, allegedly. I think the New Right/dissident right would be wise to tone down it’s rhetoric against the far left, realize that it’s gravest present enemies aren’t actually there, and actively look to cooperate with people in it, very many of whom would in fact happily cooperate with the New Right to achieve mutual interests. The “far left” in North America and Western Europe is a sham. Unfortunately, the New Right is almost exclusively exposed that “far left” because North America and Western Europe are mostly where the movement is located, obviously, leading to many of the delusions about communism and socialism regularly displayed on CC and other like websites. I think Greg and company ought to think about it, it would be up to them to change rightist attitudes to allow for more cooperation with the left, of coarse when I say the left I’m not talking about the Antifa, lib trots, and democrats with whom there is no cooperation, nor who are looking for any, because they don’t need it, they hold all the cards, but, just like rightists realize that republicans aren’t the real right, they need to realize that these people aren’t the real left. The left is presently in shambles and looking for alliances anywhere, and that includes alliances with the right that it never would’ve considered before when it held more power. The article is right about Bernie, he’s bad for the right, he’s also bad for the left, for pretending to represent it, but I resent the statement in the article about no willingness to cooperate, that’s objectively incorrect.
        The left doesn’t care about political correctness and if you show it goodwill it will bargain, just make sure it’s the left.

        • nineofclubs
          Posted February 9, 2020 at 7:47 pm | Permalink

          @ A.M

          I agree with your observation that the left is currently in disarray. The electoral chickens are coming home to roost for the liberal-left, with many working class voters deserting so-called Labour parties after 40+ years of betrayal.

          This offers some useful opportunities for genuine socialists. We are starting to see more moderate social-Democrats take a harder position on borders and immigration. For example, the Danish PM Mette Frederiksen wrote..

          ‘For me, it is becoming increasingly clear that the price of unregulated globalisation, mass immigration and the free movement of labour is paid for by the lower classes’

          We can encourage this kind of shift by helping socialists see that there is nothing inherently ‘left’ about extreme liberalism or globalism. Open borders is, in fact, a Koch Brothers idea. The ones arguing most effectively for mass immigration and a one-world market are international businesses.

          I’m grateful to CC and Greg for allowing this point of view to be expressed here. It means that this element of the left – our element – has somewhere to test and refine our ideas. Every time we are challenged here, we have to justify our ideas and that will ultimately make our arguments stronger.

          Most people here are polite and will argue ideas rather than personal attacks. I’d encourage you to comment more often.


          • DeusVult
            Posted February 10, 2020 at 4:41 am | Permalink

            Seems to me that what you are talking about would qualify as National Bolshevism/Strasserism/Third Position. Anyway I would not call it Communuism. Also equating socialist leaning automatically with the left in my opinion is more of an American fixation than a real thing, just think of Rivera’s National Syndicalism, Mussolini coming from an anarchist backgroung or the Nazi party being (at least nominally) a socialist workers party.

            • nineofclubs
              Posted February 10, 2020 at 12:56 pm | Permalink

              @ DeusVult

              Seems to me that what you are talking about would qualify as National Bolshevism/Strasserism/Third Position“

              All of these positions include an element of socialist economics, so I’d agree with you to a point. But for me, each of these has its own national flavour – national bolshevism is associated with Russia and Limonov, Strasserism is German and the ITP was primarily a European thing.

              Australia has its own socialist tradition, a lot of which was also nationalist and illiberal. Examples abound; William Lane, W.G Spence, Jack Lang, a lot of the Jindyworobak writers (highlighted by Kerry Bolton here recently), Arthur Calwell – the list is endless. The Australian form of socialist nationalism dates from the 1880’s, so it predates the ideas you list here by many decades.

              As an Australian nationalist, I prefer to think of our kind of socialism as an extension of that long, local tradition rather than an imported ideology. In contrast to the liberal globalist left, genuine socialism recognises the need to work inside the cultural framework of each nation to succeed.


  25. Off My Meds
    Posted February 6, 2020 at 4:31 pm | Permalink

    Lots of good points here. Bernie’s Left doesn’t want us any way but dead, and if they get national health care, they’ll use it to further that end just as surely as they use all their other power.

    “If only we join their demands for total national health care, they’ll come over to the White cause” is, at best, wishful thinking stemming from the observation that all-White Sweden, Germany and Britain had such health care. But beginning with Britain, each of those countries lost their Whiteness. And each of those countries is now much more anti-White than the US.

    Socialized medicine certainly did not protect those White nations. Instead, it shifted previous familial responsibilities to the state, thus weakening familial bonds. A people who lose their familial bonds don’t develop stronger national or racial bonds. Instead they become more atomized and less likely to embrace their nation and race. They welcome rapefugees and imprison Holocaust deniers.

    White socialists seem to believe that if the Right echoes Leftist demands for national health care, the Left will thank them by opposing rapefugees and ceasing their ever-increasing demands for censorship. But that reasoning is based on the Left seeing White nationalists as allies with whom they can trade rather than as the White supremacists whom they want to dox, censor, and imprison. It is the very support of White interests that makes the Right the most hated enemy of the Left.

    Besides that, the Right has nothing to bargain with. The Left controls everything — government, corporations, churches, schools, media. If full national health care is going to happen, it will be because those Leftist-controlled institutions make it happen.

    An analogy is the behavior of cucks since the Civil Rights Era. The cucked position has been that Whites lost the war, and they need to accept their fate. But if they denounce Nazis, the KKK, and White racism while promoting MLK, Black athletes and Black culture, they’ll be recognized for their virtue, and Affirmative Action will end.

    But victors who pass immoral laws don’t grant favors to their defeated and groveling enemies. What happens instead is more Affirmative Action, suppression of “hate speech,” police indifference to White victims, and imprisonment of Whites who try to defend themselves.

    Instead of trying to ally with Leftists, let them with their hatred, selfishness, and perversions make their ever-increasing demands on the institutions who can never satisfy them without fully surrendering their own power and privileges. Whatever time and resources they expend fighting each other spares the Right some of their wrath.

  26. Mark
    Posted February 6, 2020 at 4:39 pm | Permalink

    I’m a Bernie Bro, in a fashion, yet I sympathize with many of the arguments white identitarians make. For instance, I’m against the anti-white agenda, and I support an immigration moratorium. I will only vote for Bernie or Yang, however, out of the mainstream candidates. Even aside from racial/identitarian issues, the GOP is simply far worse on every other issue I care about, such as the environment, corruption, and economic inequality. As for white people, immigration is only one issue affecting ordinary white people. All the young white people I know who don’t have families, for instance, are held back far more by economic issues such as lack of affordable housing and student debt than anything the GOP can address.

    Perhaps I could understand voting for Trump if he was guaranteed to not only going to end mass immigration, but reverse demographic change, but is there any evidence for this? Either the GOP seeks to prevent white people becoming a minority, or it doesn’t. If it doesn’t, then perhaps white advocates should focus on other strategies than constantly falling for fake promises of curtailing immigration.

    • R.ang
      Posted February 7, 2020 at 2:22 am | Permalink

      I sort of understand where you’re comming from, but I also think you need to do more research to grasp the whole picture.
      For example: you mention the environment. Do you know soil can produce more crops and hold more water if it’s satiated with manure? Do you know cows barely produce CO2 if they’re fed their natural food, aka they graze on grass? Do you know manure satiated soil binds CO2 from air? Those are topics that need to be adressed more than the use of coal or oil at the moment. Modern coal power plants have pretty much zero emissions (it’s a closed circle, if you will). Old coal mines can get restored in such a way you’d never think there was ever any heavy machinery present. You won’t find this kind of information unless you dig for it, though.
      Another thing: which do you think is going to improve animal welfare on farms more? 1) boycoting any and all animal products or 2) buying animal products from farmers who take good care of their animals? The answer should be obvious.
      You also mention birth rates and I agree that barely any governments in white countries are supporting that. The thing is, there’s a difference between having few children and having few children while there’s extra pressure from incomming high-birthing cultures. It’s not like people will start having more kids from one day to the next, this would take at least a decade. And that all ties into the economy, wages (is the market of high value or are there many unskilled people?) and avaiable services and resources. This isn’t the place to go into detail about all of that, but perhaps you’d like to research it on your own.
      As for migration there’s also a difference between picking out those who can in some way benefit my country (highly inteligent or proffessionally trained people or poor but hardworking people) and letting simply anyone in (the aforementioned ones are going to get mixed with those who only want the wellfare or are interested in some kind of criminal activity).

      And then there’s the fact that Bernie’s staff literally wants concentration camps for white people/Trump supporters. That’s Stalin level administration!

      I understand there might be nobody on the right who fits your ideas of various topics. The thing is, most issues don’t get solved by someone up in the Oval Office, they get solved by the people. That’s why the education system no longer supports critical thinking: people who are able to find information on their own and compare different sources to try and figure out the truth aren’t welcome by people who lead our modern society. You have to decide for yourself if you wanna be one of those who just wait around or if you wanna be your own person and actively influence those around you, possibly changing the world to a tiny bit better place.

    • Lord Shang
      Posted February 8, 2020 at 5:58 am | Permalink

      You are unserious or stupid. Bernie has called for abolishing ICE; allowing unlimited illegal aliens to reside in the US; and granting such dirty alien colonizers FREE TAXPAYER PAID FOR HEALTHCARE, thereby destroying already strapped Medicare for American seniors. Anyone who would even consider voting for a communist Jew is evil, and should, post-white revolution, be remembered and punished or liquidated.

  27. Tom J.
    Posted February 6, 2020 at 6:11 pm | Permalink

    IF Bernie gets elected things are going to get much worse for whites. Today the FBI put White Nationalists and Neo Nazis on the same threat level as ISIS. I am not joking. If whites think they are ever going to be allowed to live without diversity you have another thing coming. Under Bernie this will accelerate dramatically.

    “The FBI has elevated racially-motivated violent extremism to a “national threat priority,” in yet another sign that the U.S. government has finally woken up to the threat posed by white nationalists and neo-Nazis at home and abroad.

    In a hearing before the House Judiciary Committee on Wednesday, FBI Director Christopher Wray outlined several concrete steps the agency had taken to combat violent far-right extremists, explaining that the “national threat priority” designation puts those groups or individuals on the same footing as ISIS” in terms of the resources the FBI will devote to it.

    “We’re particularly focused on domestic terrorism, especially racially or ethnically motivated violent extremists,” said Wray. “Not only is the terror threat diverse, it’s unrelenting.”

  28. Joe Gould
    Posted February 6, 2020 at 8:05 pm | Permalink
  29. Captain John Charity Spring MA
    Posted February 7, 2020 at 10:12 am | Permalink

    I do think Bernie is the most interesting Democratic nominee possible though.
    It’s literally an Hibero-Norse giant vs the scrawny Jew rat.

    Are you not entertained?

  30. bluto
    Posted February 8, 2020 at 5:57 am | Permalink

    The argument that voting for Sanders and his Socialism will accelerate a rightwards shift is utterly stupid and unfounded in any fact. America and the west has been under a de facto leftist-socialist rule via the media for at least three decades, and it’s only recently that a larger movement towards ethnic nationalism is taking root due to huge shifts in demographics which are irrefutable and starkly obvious to those with enough sense to see what’s going on. Scandinavia is the best example of this, 3 generations of social democratic paradise are coming to ruin within less than one generation, because they can’t control their fervid altruism, a trait developed to assist co-operation in harsh conditions, that turned against the possessor when directed towards low trust out-groups. I also think that intelligent peoples tend to find harmonious conditions ‘boring’ due to lack of novelty, and the Faustian European yearning looks beyond the borders to find a way to revivify what it sees as a staid culture. This was evident from early in the 19th century, and has been the ruin rather than salvation of Europe. Those bull-ringed freaks and geldings who work at Bernie’s campaign are not the products of indoctrination by anything other than mainstream American society and schooling. They profess to be against the current, but are really just part of the eddies in the stream. The whole still moves in a single direction. Trump, for all his failings to live up to our hopes of him, is still the most powerful irritant to the people who are working against the interests of whites. We have literally (hard to use that word in good faith these days) never seen anything like this level of hysteria and demonisation, and it’s brilliant. It really is making them look awful to the people who matter: normal unassuming folks who just want to have a decent life. They see these pink haired afro loons telling them they need to die, and it’s an instinctual trigger to move away from that, and look for something to counter it. Trump is that thing. We need his presence for at least another four years just to cause the total meltdown of these leftist nutjobs, like we got with the recent UK election. Labour is in tatters because they bought their own garbage message, and thought that everybody else agreed with it, when in fact the rest of the world aren’t on twitter all day while riding around in ubers, and instead get information from their surroundings using their senses, like normal creatures do. When the Extinction Rebellion protests happened in the UK, they blockaded the last central market in London, Smithfield (an extremely working-class, traditional, historic English market), as a protest against meat consumption. I looked at the twitter page of the idiots behind it and 9 out of 10 comments left on their posts were normal Brits saying ‘you twats make me want to eat more meat’, ‘i’m having steak tonight thanks to you guys, cheers!’ etc. Trump needs to win to continue this turnabout and bolstering of public sympathies which has been happening for the last 5 years or so. People are losing their fear of being ostracised, and that’s all that has ever held anyone back. Well, that and the hand of the law. But the law is less of a concern than feeling disliked by your community in most cases. So there. Pip pip.

    • bluto
      Posted February 8, 2020 at 6:01 am | Permalink

      Also, Trump is a hell of a lot of fun to watch!

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