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The Alt Right vs. the Gun Right

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There are issues around which we rally, and then there are issues around which we let other people rally. And as long as these issues can coexist, alliances can be formed. I think that the Alt Right and gun rights advocates (whom I will collectively and symmetrically refer to as the Gun Right) have stumbled into such an alliance in the arena of American politics.

I can’t prove this with data since I’ve read very little on this from either group, but I imagine that most on the Alt Right range from neutral to wholly supportive of gun rights. On the other hand, while we know that the NRA enthusiastically endorsed candidate Donald Trump, I also have a feeling that those on the Gun Right aren’t too broken up about frog memes and people like Jared Taylor and Richard Spencer getting a lot of new attention and influence. Or, if they are, they aren’t saying much about it.

But let’s do a thought experiment to amplify this point. I think we can all agree that if candidate Trump took a gun control position as restrictive as Hillary Clinton’s, he’d be shooting his campaign in the foot. Regardless, I believe that nearly 100% of the people identifying primarily as Alt Right would still vote for him, albeit, perhaps, with reduced enthusiasm. For such people, clearly, immigration and racial matters trump guns, even if they embrace gun rights. At the same time, I believe a healthy fraction of the Gun Right would also still vote Trump, like maybe 80 to 90 per cent. They’d make a lot of noise about it beforehand, of course. But being conservatives for the most part they’d probably agree with many of Trump’s other pronouncements as well as despise Hillary for her corruption and socialistic tendencies. Further, both sides would be equally bad vis-à-vis guns, so you might as well vote for the lesser evil.

Now, let’s take this thought experiment a bit further. What would it take to put the Alt Right and the Gun Right completely at odds with each other? Answer: Trump and Hillary keeping everything about their positions the same except for gun control. Only by these two candidates completely exchanging positions, with Hillary promoting minimal restrictions on guns and Trump promising to all but ban them, would we find the Alt Right and the Gun Right not voting in unison. In other words, we’d have to contort reality to its absurd opposite to get to a point where the Alt Right and the Gun Right find themselves on the opposite sides of the aisle.

This proves for me that the Alt Right and the Gun Right are natural allies. A Venn diagram covering all possible political issues would likely show an over 90 per cent convergence. I’d be willing to bet that much of the general readership of this site and others like it would be fairly comfortable at a gun show or an NRA convention. Further, I imagine that many on the Gun Right are intrigued about the rise of the Alt Right and be willing to politely listen and engage with us over what we have to say. There may be quibbling of course (what alliance doesn’t have quibbling?). For example, some on the Alt Right are fairly open-minded about fascism, and nothing makes a Gun Right person cringe more than fascism. Some also admire Adolf Hitler who famously limited gun rights in his Firearms Act of 1937. This, of course, would be a sticking point. Gun rights activists almost always bring up Hitler as an example of how not to run a country. They often use him as a means to shame their opponents by association—a clever, if ultimately ineffectual, tactic. “You support gun control? So did Hitler! You’re just like Hitler!”

I find this Alt Right/Gun Right coexistence interesting because, well, for one, few people are talking about it. But, more importantly, it represents a unique, perhaps even historic, convergence between the ultra-modern and the ancient. The Alt Right represents the ultra-modern because never before in recorded history has there been a movement to unify the entire white race in the face of slow death in the form of non-white immigration. Ethnic identity has always been there in Europe, of course. Its history is filled with ethnic strife: Swedes against Russians, French against Prussians, Cromwell against the Irish. We know all about it. Amid our byzantine bickering over the past 500 years, some European nations have even forged alliances with non-white powers such as the Ottoman Empire despite the latter’s vast enslavement of whites and its various attempts to conquer all of Europe. Yet here we are now for the first time ever, calling for all whites to stand in phalanx against this refugee horde which is bent upon making us minorities in our own homelands. These are heady times, but these are also frightening times, since the Alt Right aspires to do what has never been done before.

The Gun Right, however, has been doing what it’s been doing since Ancient Greece. Remarkably little about it has changed. If you ask a modern gun enthusiast and NRA member why he owns guns, he would likely give you an answer very similar to one offered by a 15th-century Yorkshire tanner or a yeoman horse farmer of Ancient Rome. They would be similarly literate about it as well. If the Alt Right cares to consider itself a movement of and for white people, then it will behoove itself to recognize the Gun Right as not only primarily white but necessarily white. The very concept of a free populace bearing arms for self-defense and fending off tyranny originated in Europe. Further, nearly all of the discourse on this topic for thousands of years has transpired between whites. While weapons are, of course, universal to Man, the idea of the right to own them and the question of why we should own them is and has always been a white thing.

Aristotle carries on about it in his Politics. So did Cicero in a number of his speeches. Livy, Horace, and Ovid also weigh in. And it wasn’t as if later white thinkers had forgotten their classical pedigree. Niccolò Machiavelli, who had organized and led an armed citizen militia in early 1500s, wrote in his On the Art of War that an armed populace maintains its civic virtue by being able to resist “the changes of fortune.” He looked to ancient Greece and Rome for both information and inspiration on this topic. Hugo Grotius, Charles Montesquieu, Jean-Jacques Rousseau, and many others did as well.

And then we have the British. Under the Saxon laws landowners were obliged to keep armor and weapons according to their wealth and social rank. Later in British history, men were not just obliged but required to own arms not only for self-defense but to form militias if the need ever arose. This state of affairs remained more or less stable until the 1660s when King Charles II enacted his Militia Acts which allowed the confiscation of arms owned by citizens. This was mostly overturned in 1689 with the English Declaration of Rights. The right to arms appeared as the seventh of the thirteen basic rights outlined in that historic document. It is no coincidence that the Whigs, who were responsible for the Glorious Revolution which limited royal power and expanded Parliament’s, also limited governmental authority by keeping its hands off weapons owned by citizens.

It is from this and the voluminous commentary surrounding it that the American Founding Fathers derived the Second Amendment.

Regardless of our personal opinions on guns, the Gun Right, with its talk on an armed society being a prerequisite for a free society and a bulwark against tyranny, has a point. In all the scholarship on the right to bear arms, you will see terms such as “liberty,” “freedom,” “valor,” “virtue,” and “self-defense” pop up a lot. These are the things the Gun Right really cares about, much more than race. And even if one places race on a higher level of importance, I think we can all agree that these are still good things to care about.

A great example, which will hopefully resonate with the Counter-Currents readership, is that of the Holodomor, the Terror-Famine inflicted upon the Ukraine in the early 1930s by Stalin and the Soviet leadership in Moscow. According to Robert Conquest in his meat grinder of a history entitled The Harvest of Sorrow, which I recommend to everyone, 14.5 million souls perished either through deliberate and government-sanctioned mass-starvation, or through the vicious process of ‘dekulakization’ through which millions of kulaks (a subjective term describing a wealthy peasant) were either executed or deported to gulags. Of course, Stalin made sure to disarm the Ukrainians before moving on them. According to Conquest:

In 1929-30 a great effort had been made to prevent the peasantry possessing arms. Registration of hunting weapons had become compulsory in decrees of 1926, 1928 and 1929, and rules were also established to ensure that ‘criminal and socially dangerous elements’ should not be sold guns, this to be ‘checked by the GPU authorities’. In August 1930, when various minor insurrections and individual acts of resistance had made it clear that this was not being obeyed, a massive arms search was ordered. By this time, however, few arms were left. Among the hundreds of search documents we find only the occasional discovery of ‘one small-bore pistol’ while the search was turned to the state’s advantage by the seizure of ‘silver money 30 roubles 75 kopeks; paper money 105 roubles; wedding rings-two’ and so on in case after case.

The peasants tried to resist, but without arms they were powerless when government forces or the Red Army came to confiscate grain or commit other evils. Their choices in many cases were limited to being mowed down by machine gun fire or starving to death in their own wretched huts. If they were lucky, they’d be sentenced to twelve years hard labor in a camp north of the Arctic Circle.

This is what a disarmed populace could potentially lead to. This is also what keeps the Gun Right up at night every time politicians in Washington try to limit their right to bear arms.

I think that as non-whites continue to crowd our borders and alter the demographics of the United States, the Gun Right will eventually see the wisdom in race realism. If they’re worried about tyranny now, wait until the Mexicans, the blacks, the Muslims, and other non-whites have real political power in this country by virtue of being a majority. If history and current events are any indication, these are not people who give a fig about concepts such as “liberty,” “virtue,” and “self-defense.” If confiscating firearms is what it takes to consolidate their power, they will confiscate firearms. And they will be especially motivated to do so if you’re a gringo, a cracker, or an infidel. These people, you see, are anti-white racists. They are racial chauvinists who are more or less allied in their struggle against whitey. And as their numbers increase, so will their chauvinism. This is something that the Alt Right understands better than anyone including the Gun Right.

I predict that the peaceful coexistence enjoyed by the Alt Right and the Gun Right today will be forged by necessity into a fearsome political and (God help us) military alliance tomorrow. When whites get shoved into a corner and will have to start shoving back, there is no one I’d rather have on my side than some of these liberty-loving, firearm-savvy gun rights guys who know how to dislodge a cartridge from the chamber of my 9mm semi-automatic handgun after a hang fire. If we can get along when it matters most, we’ll have a hell of a chance of achieving that white ethnostate after all.

But this happy ending comes with a caveat. While the Gun Right aspires to influence government, the Alt Right aspires one day to be government. That is a huge distinction from which our minds should never wander. There will be a cost attached to this alliance, and the Alt Right (or whoever its inheritors are after the great White Nationalism struggle has been won) should be prepared to pay it. They should let the Gun Right keep their firearms, and they should leave them alone.



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  1. Herr Meier
    Posted September 27, 2016 at 2:43 am | Permalink

    A short note here from a German gun owner on the widespread “Hitler enacted harsh gun control” fairy tale. I know that this is one of the arguments most cherished by American gun rights activists, but it has actually little to do with reality.

    In comparison to the Gesetz über Schußwaffen und Munition (Firearms and Ammunition Act) of 1928 (enacted under the Weimar Republic’s Wilhelm Marx cabinet), Hitler actually relaxed gun control in one specific area somewhat with the 1938 Reichswaffengesetz. More to the point, long guns (shotguns and rifles) and their ammunition could again be bought without a special permit by anyone over the age of 18. Other than that, there were some minor administrative adjustments such as the police no longer having to sign off the transfer of firearms between commercial entities and dealers. But nothing substiantial whatsoever changed with the transition from the old law to the new.

    In fact, the disarmament of the jews started right after Hitler became Chancellor of the Reich in 1933 (a full five years before the new Reichswaffengesetz) simply because the 1928 act already contained explicit provisions for the disarmament of those deemed “unreliable” (a central legal concept in German firearm legislation to this very day) and/or undesirables (such as gypsies). The National Socialists didn’t have to change one bit about pre-existing laws in order to do that.

    So while it is true that they actively used restictive gun legislation against their political enemies, the National Socialists are by no means its originators (that dubious honor would have to be bestowed upon the liberal democrats of the day).

  2. Posted September 27, 2016 at 6:02 am | Permalink

    The Gun Right is the epitome of civic nationalism. They, as you noted, hate hate hate fascists (much constitution) and will immediately expel any sort of racist out of their midst because they absolutely fear generating bad feelz that they think are unnecessary (26 dead children is “meh” to them, but being accused of harboring neo-nazis will make them lose their shit).

    Additionally the veterans among them generally consider themselves the descendants and heirs of the ww2 generation. They will not give that up easily.

    To be truly compatible they would have to give up their primary identity or the alt-right would. I don’t think that could realistically occur until after the fall of the “republic”, and maybe not even then.

    I’ll try to expand on my blog later.

    • Tom Benton
      Posted September 28, 2016 at 10:06 am | Permalink

      “(26 dead children is “meh” to them, but being accused of harboring neo-nazis will make them lose their shit).”

      I don’t know what Gun Rightists YOU have been hanging around but murder sprees by crackpots kept out of mental hospitals by an ACLU lawyer who couldn’t be bothered to defend a law abiding citizen who shot a DINDU trying to break into his house from an unconstitutional firearms prosecution drives Gun Rightists that I know up the wall with OUTRAGE!!!! They CLEARLY see the racial and civil rights double standard in these cases and call them out all the time!

      “Additionally the veterans among them generally consider themselves the descendants and heirs of the ww2 generation. They will not give that up easily.”

      Both my father and step-father were WWII veterans. My father used to complain all the time about how the Pacific Theater of Operations was given short shrift in money and manpower versus the ETO. He also talked favorably about how in his area before he joined the USMC the authorities would do work release and weekend release of German POW’s. He even saw cases where the German POW’s attended movies with American women as their dates. In his final years as he drove around by birth place in Southern California he would comment about how he could go the whole day without seeing a White face. The funny thing is that I would criticize him for that perception but as my pro gun control views moved to the right so did my racial views and NOW I’m right where my father was!
      As for my step-father he used to complain bitterly about British Naval vessels showing up at the U.S. Naval repair facility in the PTO claiming they had mechanical problems which the American mechanics like him could never find. He was basically accusing them of cowardice and thought that the war wasn’t worth it.
      I think you need to find yourself some new friends Rhino.

      P.S. what an interesting name “Rhino” is in this context.

  3. Kevin D
    Posted September 27, 2016 at 11:54 am | Permalink

    Pepe the frog has been added to the ADL database

    • Tom Benton
      Posted September 28, 2016 at 9:45 am | Permalink

      “Pepe the frog has been added to the ADL database”

      Pepe’s career is made!

  4. Ryan McMahon
    Posted September 27, 2016 at 12:16 pm | Permalink

    Racializing the Gun Right wouldn’t be difficult. Anti racism signaling is a palliative the boomers use to gloss over the fact that gun store/show staff and customers are almost entirely White. They all know politicians could care less about the fact that Tyrone can buy a full auto AK on the street while Robert has to go through the two week waiting period and background check to buy a Ruger 10/22. Gun control needs to be aggressively framed as White disarmament by the Alt Right in order to attract normie shooters and hobbyists. This will be essential given the current open season status on Whites and as minority they know, at least subconsciously, the poaching will intensify.

    • Spencer Quinn
      Posted September 29, 2016 at 6:02 am | Permalink

      Ryan, I agree. But it still may take another couple decades for that to really happen. Maybe sooner if HRC wins in November.

  5. Doug Huffman
    Posted September 27, 2016 at 4:19 pm | Permalink

    I am a gun rights activist that made my bones in South Carolina’s GrassRoots Gun Rights I am Nightmare at OCDO. I have my differences with some Alt-Right axioms as some Alt-Right may have differences with the gun rights movement. Neither has a control committee. Praise Kek

  6. Bill william
    Posted September 28, 2016 at 3:42 am | Permalink

    To sperg a bit – the NS had good gun control laws because it target the skypes:

    The Nazis adopted a new gun law in 1938. According to an analysis by Bernard Harcourt, a professor at Columbia University School of Law, it loosened gun ownership rules in several ways.

    It deregulated the buying and selling of rifles, shotguns and ammunition. It made handguns easier to own by allowing anyone with a hunting license to buy, sell or carry one at any time. (You didn’t need to be hunting.) It also extended the permit period from one year to three and gave local officials more discretion in letting people under 18 get a gun.

    The regulations to implement this law, rather than the law itself, did impose new limits on one group: Jews.

    On Nov. 11, 1938, the German minister of the interior issued “Regulations Against Jews Possession of Weapons.” Not only were Jews forbidden to own guns and ammunition, they couldn’t own “truncheons or stabbing weapons.”

    In addition to the restrictions, Ellerbrock said the Nazis had already been raiding Jewish homes and seizing weapons.

    “The gun policy of the Nazis can hardly be compared to the democratic procedures of gun regulations by law,” Ellerbrock told us. “It was a kind of special administrative practice (Sonderrecht), which treated people in different ways according to their political opinion or according to ‘racial identity’ in Nazi terms.”

  7. Rabbi High Comma
    Posted September 28, 2016 at 11:39 am | Permalink

    As a member of both groups (although more Alt now), I spent 2000-2015 astonished that the GunRight didn’t connect the dots on the JQ. The list of gun grabbers reads as a Bat Mitzvah invitation roster. Snatching up the guns is so important to “the plan” that jews don’t use their favored cultural camouflage strategy – the bought/blackmailed “goy spokesmodel”…i.e. Teddy Kennedy with the 1965 Immigration Act. This is changing. In the past year I have seen very shitlordy/JQ-wise comments on Western Rifle Shooters, and most interestingly, the mods did not remove them.

    The AltRight and GunRight are natural allies; and are likely the two groups most feared by the elite. As the JudeoMarxist/Globalist elite continues to tighten the vise on Whites, they will push the GunRight to merge into the AltRight ranks.

    If you do not own any firearms, please do it before the election. It’s best to purchase from a private party so that there is no record at BATFE/FBI/ZOG.

    • Spencer Quinn
      Posted September 29, 2016 at 5:59 am | Permalink

      RHC, I agree with your assessment and truly hope your (and my) prediction about a Alt Right-Gun Right alliance comes true. I believe we are already past halfway there. I believe however that to make this alliance truly binding, an American white ethnostate will have to adhere as much as possible to the Constitution and Bill of Rights. There may have to be some compromising on both sides for that to happen. I don’t know.

      As for the GR’s apparent ambivalence towards the JQ, one possible reason could be that they do connect the dots, as you say, but they also connect the dots of the extreme right and fear tyranny from them just as much. That’s why I think an alliance with the Alt Right is possible. We may seem extreme to leftists and democrats, but we really aren’t.

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