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Counter-Currents Radio Podcast No. 212
Interview with Jason Kessler

550 words / 90:54

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Greg Johnson, John Morgan, and Michael Polignano interview Jason Kessler, organizer of last August’s Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, VA.

  • Introduction: 0:00
  • Summary of the ongoing legal battle since Unite the Right: 1:26
  • Plaintiffs and co-defendants in the lawsuits: 3:57
  • Are the lawsuits frivolous and can they be dismissed on that basis: 6:40
  • Who are the lawyers and financial backers supporting the lawsuit and what are their aims: 8:00
  • Richard Spencer’s response to the lawsuits: 10:30
  • Has the recent NYTimes story about Eli Mosley affected the process: 14:58
  • What is the timeline for the legal process: 16:57
  • What happened to Kessler’s attackers from the post-UTR press conference: 19:42
  • The precedents for freedom of speech and freedom of assembly being set by the legal process: 29:32
  • The impact of official findings critical of the City of Charlottesville and Charlottesville Police Chief Al Thomas: 33:12
  • The rationale behind having a second Unite the Right rally: 36:40
  • What to expect from Antifa: 49:46
  • The guy from Reddit who claimed to be an organizer of UTR: 54:50
  • The scoop on the antifa member who pointed a gun at James Fields prior to the car incident: 59:40

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  1. Posted February 12, 2018 at 8:53 pm | Permalink

    At this point I do not support going to a second Charlottesville rally.
    Unless the permitted event is some kind of a decoy for another torchlight March (any night except the night before the rally) There is no reasonable expectation of law enforcement applying the law equally or even honoring the constitution.
    We shouldn’t put any pro whites in harms way unnecessarily. We have to use our heads and not our hearts.

  2. Arthur Frayn
    Posted February 12, 2018 at 9:32 pm | Permalink

    In theory, any precedent this sets could be used against the left in the future.

  3. Career Barbie
    Posted February 13, 2018 at 11:54 pm | Permalink

    Richard Spencer should try contacting his insurance agent!

    For individuals facing civil lawsuits, there may be some coverage available under his or her renter’s/homeowner’s policy. Essentially, the insurance company will appoint a defense attorney and your liability limit is what you have available to settle.

    Go get em!

  4. LineInTheSand
    Posted February 14, 2018 at 12:36 am | Permalink

    Jason is very good in this interview. I admire his perseverance and perspicacity. He was unstable immediately after Cville but was under enormous pressure. I’m glad I got to pay him a compliment at the last AmRen.

  5. Hugh
    Posted February 14, 2018 at 8:38 am | Permalink

    A good interview with Kessler expressing himself clearly and cogently.

    However, it’s not clear to me that a second Charlottesville is a good idea. Maybe the Counter Currents team could have explored the pros and cons a bit more.

    Certainly, the importance of building an alt-right legal team came through loud and clear.

  6. R_Moreland
    Posted February 15, 2018 at 1:32 am | Permalink

    Something useful would be for Alt Right websites to post information supporting their side on Charlottesville and related actions:

    * Official reports vindicating the United the Right marchers.
    * Places to make financial contributions to the Unite the Right legal team.
    * Contacts for lawyers who want to do pro bono work.
    * Videos explaining the Alt Right narrative on Charlottesville.
    * Links to groups fighting for online rights: Electronic Frontier Foundation (, Greatfire (
    * Articles explaining the goals for which the various Alt Right, White Nationalist and Identitarian groups are fighting.

    Right now this information is all over the place. It would be extremely helpful to have it all under one menu: THE TRUTH ABOUT CHARLOTTESVILLE, or whatever. Then each Alt Right website could run a link to it.

    One thing this can do is rally support from civil libertarians, Internet activists, patriots, law enforcement, and those who are fed up with leftist violence or see a common enemy in the current hostile oligarchy running the show in America. Make this a battle of the Alt Right Underdog against the System, a struggle for Free Speech, Due Process and the American Way.

    There are a lot of people out there who can be Red Pilled, if this information were to be organized and presented intelligently.

  7. White Mothership
    Posted February 26, 2018 at 4:00 pm | Permalink

    Editor’s note: I do not provide a platform for people to impugn our intellectual honesty and engage in low-information moralizing.

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