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What Women Want

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Reading over the comments (more like essays) on the last article I penned, I would like to bridge what obviously seems to be a gap between White Nationalists and females. Being both myself (no, I’m not Greg Johnson, but I will take that as a compliment), I have access to the minds of beautiful and fertile Caucasian goddesses, which, judging from the lack of female representation on WN sites, you probably don’t share. Instead of condemning me and taking the side of bitter pussy-obsessed mansophere gurus, you should be pumping me for information.

Good-looking enough to model (I dabbled in print ads), I have my own business and answer to myself and myself alone. My business allows me the time and luxury to travel (internationally) for weeks at a time just to pursue my extracurricular hobbies. In essence, I am every feminist’s wet dream.

I treat dating like a business (i.e.,”stay unattached to the outcome”) and in my dating history I have been on several hundred dates–from contractors with missing teeth to Harvard MBAs (the latter coining me an Alpha female). Yes, I’ve even scheduled two dates in one night (I admit that can be a little tricky). What I’m searching for is a life-long mate (not hookups) that is intellectually, physically, and emotionally complementary. Sadly, I’ve learned a true soulmate is hard to come by. The vast majority of the dates I go on end up  being first and last–most of the time at my request.

Yes, the bitch does come out in daily life when I see injustice or hypocrisy. I never back down from confrontation–in fact, I live for it. But most of the time I’m quite pleasant to be around and some would even call me slightly amusing (to the horror of some readers, I’m sure).

Why am I telling you all this? Well, even with the guuuurl-power enriched independent life that I lead, I would give it up in a heartbeat and move to a cabin in the Northwest (I don’t do suburbs) breastfeeding triplets next to a wood-burning kitchen stove. And I’m not alone. My gorgeous and professional high value girlfriends feel the same. We want traditional patriarchs. We’re dying for them! (May the goddess strike me down!) But only on one condition: You have to be worthy of our submission.

What does that mean? Well, we want authentic men. Not boys who text, but men who call.

For example, this is what’s currently mucking up our dating pool:

Instead of this:

See the difference?

Yes, I know that feminism has emasculated men and morphed them into emotional wimps, which has allowed “Gamers” to take advantage of the autonomous frustrated female. But what modern men see as Alpha (Gamers) is actually Alpha posturing: Aggressive and “Manly” on the outside but selfish Beta immaturity and pettiness on the inside. I’d go into more detail but Jack Donovan has already done it for me. Thanks, my white brother (we need more enthusiastic racial cries of solidarity, not fewer. Learn from the united racial groups that are outbreeding us, already!).

Don’t get me wrong, there are a few aspects to “game” that I admire: Having a solid “inner game” is inherently needed for an Alpha male to prosper and overcome life’s obstacles. Also, passing “shit tests” is another necessary branch of “game” that assists the female to assess her man’s inner strength. But overall, even with the conclusion that Strauss himself has advocated for a more meaningful relationship (which obviously hasn’t deterred his readers from doing the opposite), the end result of “game” is to manipulate and cut women down to size, so it should be properly shamed into oblivion.

You want to pick up women?

1) Be interesting (radiate an original personality, not clownish neon feather boas).

2) Tease her a little (not demean or objectify).

3) Don’t tolerate shit (have boundaries).

It really is that simple. The rest is well, chemistry.

And don’t make us chase you. By doing that, you’re leading the way to your own pussification thus cementing women in the aggressor role.

Yes, of course, women want Alpha men. But just like Leonidas’ wife, we want our men to provide, protect, and risk their lives for the betterment of our family–for the betterment of our race. We want a true hero that we can assist and support in his mission in life, and we won’t sacrifice our newly found independence for anything less. Alpha females (the true ones at heart) have the inner strength to reject the brainwashed onslaught of feminism and embrace traditionalism. (I am self-sufficient by default, not because I choose to prove something to myself or the opposite sex.) Some would say that we’re asking for too much.

We are at a crossroads right now. Professional women will never be desperate as long as illegitimate births are accepted in the mainstream culture. Since they currently represent 40% of the national birth average, it’s only a matter of time before we hit the same numbers as Negroes (70% nationwide and 90% in the inner city). When that happens, men will only be useful as sperm donors (“game” away, fools) and we’ll officially be a matriarchal society. I’ve even contemplated this as an alternative due to a recent inquiry from a lesbian couple who were surprisingly quite upset at giving birth to a boy (just wait for genetically engineered “western” sex-selection).

When the time comes and if I still haven’t met my warrior mate, I must decide if I want to venture out overseas to the Motherland, pick up designer sperm, and raise my own broken family. The only thing stopping me from doing so is fond memories of my Father growing up. Fortunately (for now), I wouldn’t want to deprive my future children of a male-led household. But the next generation of selfish women (reared fatherless) won’t care and dispose of daddy once they’re finished with him. Yes, it’s currently happening, but it can be reversed before it’s too late.

So stop intellectually masturbating to Evola and go make your Nordic gods proud. We have no idea what the future holds as we become the minority in our own countries. Do you really want to wait to find out?

And another thing . . .

If you, my Prince, will go out into the wilderness, hunt down the meat, kill it with your own hands (bullets would be cheating), and rip out its heart with your teeth, then the only question I have for you is: Would you like mustard or mayo on your well-deserved sandwich?

Now if you’ll excuse me, I have a date to go on and white warrior children to breed.


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  1. Roissy Hater
    Posted July 9, 2012 at 10:39 am | Permalink

    Ava, I’m glad you post here.

    Although I favor masculine virtues over feminine ones, and share some of Nietzsche, Schopenhauer, and Weininger’s views on women, I’m sick of women being treated like pieces of meat here and elsewhere.

    I would say to bitter men, if women are trash, fine, treat them as trash and don’t complain. Why are you demanding something different? “Game”, outside of improving your personality and becoming more of a man, is a form of lying and manipulation … if you need sex that badly, you are loser.

    *A real man would only complain about one thing modern women do, and that’s divorce, thereby screwing up the life of his children. That’s it.

    I also enjoy how so many men comment on PUA sites and CC as if they are alphas. Well, if there as many alpha males as these comment sections self-declare, the ratio of alpha to beta would be 95-5, not the other way round.

    • David
      Posted July 14, 2012 at 12:32 pm | Permalink

      Okay, Ava.

      I’ve read your previous piece and this.

      What I can say is that, for me personally, learning the game has been great. It has given me discipline in all sorts of areas. Most of whom, are not to do with women. Also, being good with women is much more than sex. It’s about alpha behaviour. Which is not the same, say, as being a thuggish lout to women. It means being comfortable by taking control, listening to what she has to say, but still keeping your own direction the primary mode of the relationship. Surely not something we can disagree on?

      You’re wrong on many counts though. First, the movement is not and has never been Jewish. The roots go back to Casanova, Lord Byron. Byron, as an English eccentric, is an archetype of a romancer. Maybe not your White Knight ideal(which rarely works in real life), but a strong counterweight to the beta behaviour of many men. And who was Strauss’ guru? Mystery. And he was self-taught.
      The most successful company in this sphere is RSD, owned primarily by a WASP from Canada together who has an asian sidekick. It’s a place filled with white instructors mostly for white students.

      They do a lot of innergame and the guy, Owen Cook(a.k.a Tyler Durden) is big on respect for women while at the same time being very clear on your own goals. So the picture is much more nuanced and complex than you seem to think and as your flagrant Jew-baiting to the audience suggests.
      Look, there *are* some people here who are very paranoid about Jews and do see an evil masterplan behind it all.

      Feminism was an English thing. Remember the suffragettes? Feminism got corrupted in the 1960s, but the roots of feminism is as WASPish as they come. And if you are against feminism even in it’s earlier incarnation, well, by my guest. But I actually like things like allowing women to vote, letting them earn the same amount on the paycheck for the same work and treating them as equal. That’s healthy and commonsense and we should never forget the roots of feminism.

      People ascribe Jews way more power. What we’ve seen in the last 50 years is an abberation.
      We should not fall for the trap of overexplaining, because that is lazy. It is lazy thinking.

      Now, what do I agree with you?
      Well, there is a darker side to this, like any community. Some guys do in fact see women as mere sexdolls. And I think a lot more attention has been paid to the concept of ‘inner game’. And this has to do that it’s more about self-improvement for many. Women is just one part of it.

      And as someone else stated. This movement has done great things for white men. Apart from many others I don’t exactly see white guys as victims. I certainly never felt maligned even once for the fact that I am white. Then again I live in a place which has no affirmative action or the like.

      A lot of WN men here come across to me as whiny bitches. Simple as.

      Still, there are lots of PUA’s who lead healthy lives. Check out Juggler, who’s a Republican of all things and have a healthy marriage. The only reason why people don’t know about him is because Strauss(or ‘Style’) was the writer. So people think he was the best, which he wasn’t(that was probably Mystery, the ethnic German). But Juggler, Tyler Durden(Owen Cook, now the owner of the largest and most successful company in the community) and many others have long relationships. Tyler’s with a latina, though. He doesn’t come across as very WN, but who cares? He doesn’t exactly promote PC thinking.

      I’ve been with hot latina girls, hot Jewish girls. I have no shame about it all, they all went overboard to make my life good, and I’m grateful for that. I’m still young and my family will doubtlessly be European.
      And guess what Ava, I’ll be a more sexually experienced man and I do respect women(but I’m not beta, and never will be, so that part of your dreams are lost forever) and there are tons of things in my life that will make me a great husband once I’m there. In fact, my current gf is white and we might make the jump despite the fact that we’re both young. Before I started, in my teens, I was a fat guy who was bright, had an innate confidence, but who couldn’t do much about it. I was not doing well in school. The game made me improve in all those areas, made me disciplined, much more determined and a far better human being.

      My bottomline is: don’t rush to judgement and remember that there is nuance.
      And my advice to all the guys here: stop slinging mud all over the place. And do realize that respect for women is not the same as being beta. It never was and never will be. That being said, women are wrong sometimes and this instance is one of those.

  2. Jaego Scorzne
    Posted July 9, 2012 at 11:02 am | Permalink

    Good observations on “alpha”. It’s used much too loosely and almost always in a partial manner – which is fine if one is conscious of doing so, but that is seldom. Is Bill Gates an alpha – a complete man and higher human being? Or is he just a brilliant nerd who has made good and therefore can get almost any woman he wants? Now face it Ava, that’s enough for most women. How many would choose an honest and virtuous middle class man over a billionaire? Think of the fifty shades of gray fantasy – women would be more than pleased to take alot of shit if the guy has the big bucks. Maybe you are different, but if so you are a tiny minority. And do you really think you could be a good wife now after so many years of independence? I suggest you may be kidding yourself. Perhaps like Moses you can see the Promised Land but will never be able to enter in. That doesn’t invalidate your insights of course.

    Btw, do you really believe women should be allowed to vote? As a superior woman, you must know how venial and silly most women are, the more educated often being the worst. I think women should be allowed to run for office but not vote. That would allow superior women full rights while rightfully denying rights to the majority who don’t deserve them. And from this perspective, most men would be denied as well – at least from voting at the hightest level.

    The test of a Superior Woman is her knowing how inferior the average woman is. You have not made yourself clear on this point.

    • NM
      Posted July 9, 2012 at 11:45 am | Permalink

      I don’t think the WN movement should make any special concessions to women. Making these concessions all the time would only reinforce the stereotypical feminist selfishness and entitlement: “I don’t like this movement, so it has to change to suit me.” The affirmative action approach would be poison for any WN movement. Focusing too much on attracting “interest groups” (in this case, women) is the usual recipe for how a movement kills itself.

      The best thing is to influence more women to be worthy of WN, rather than distorting WN into mollycoddling females just because they’re female. When women come along who, on the basis of actual merit, can contribute something to the WN movement, let them come. If there’s a place for a woman in the WN cause, then she must earn that place by merit. Just like the rest of us.

      I’m not sure I agree with Jaego Scorzne that women shouldn’t vote – as I see it, most people are unfit to run a society. I wouldn’t trust most men with the vote, either. The idea that all men should have the vote just because they’re men is stupid. The Norse althing had an interesting idea, that only married land-owning men could vote (this would ensure that married women also have an input in politics, while the younger and irresponsible parts of the society wouldn’t have any say).

      • Greg Johnson
        Posted July 9, 2012 at 12:58 pm | Permalink

        1. I don’t think that the movement needs to change just to court more women. I deal with that in my essay “The Woman Question in White Nationalism”:

        Although I must admit that the extreme, embittered misogyny on display in the comments on Miss Moretti’s last article gives me some pause. I think it is important to prevent haters from setting the tone of our movement. Yes, it is important to be honest about the fact that just as multiracialism causes racial hate, feminism/emasculation/sexual revolution causes hated and strife among the sexes. But we can’t lose sight of the fact that our aim is a world beyond that kind of strife, and implacable, embittered haters are incapable of concluding any sort of modus vivendi.

        2. I think that universal male suffrage is only slightly less stupid that universal female suffrage, because men on average are better suited for political decision making than women, e.g., men are more rational, women more emotional; men are more objective, women more subjective; men are more concerned with justice, women with mercy; men are more concerned with rules, women with exceptions. However, in a well-ordered WN society, there should be a strict meritocracy, which means that men and women of quality should have a role in politics. Furthermore, if some women fight for a WN society, we can’t expect them not to take part in the governing of it.

      • NM
        Posted July 9, 2012 at 4:20 pm | Permalink

        A quick response to Greg’s comment:

        Although I must admit that the extreme, embittered misogyny on display in the comments on Miss Moretti’s last article gives me some pause. I think it is important to prevent haters from setting the tone of our movement.

        Yeah, the rage-filled comments against Ava’s last article were extreme and shouldn’t be the norm for the WN movement. But then again, they’re not. I don’t find the WN cause to be spectacularly “misogynist”, nor does it need to change and distort itself to make women feel better about themselves. Let’s not have the affirmative action approach and indulge women just because they’re women.

        Let women like Ava Moretti make their own WN publications about things specifically to women’s tastes, which would complement the WN movement, rather than taking shots at the current elements of WN and its members (which only causes in-fighting and the bitter comments sections we saw last time).

        2. However, in a well-ordered WN society, there should be a strict meritocracy, which means that men and women of quality should have a role in politics. Furthermore, if some women fight for a WN society, we can’t expect them not to take part in the governing of it.

        I agree.

        • Greg Johnson
          Posted July 9, 2012 at 5:53 pm | Permalink

          I think a WN women’s site is an excellent idea.

      • Anon
        Posted July 18, 2012 at 9:18 am | Permalink

        “I don’t think the WN movement should make any special concessions to women.”

        What ‘movement’? There is no WN movement except online and the beauty of that is you can be a woman and have a male nom de plume, thus passing yourself off as a man with each and every comment, which is what I do on Alt Right, Takimag, Oc Observer and others.

        As for all of the misogyny with silly adolescent comments such as ‘get back in the kitchen’ or ‘make me a sandwich’, I always ignore those. Anyone can say anything online. It doesn’t mean anything.

  3. BasilX
    Posted July 9, 2012 at 11:24 am | Permalink

    My first thought was she is mocking us.Then after some thought and watching the “Board room” I saw much truth in what she says. Yes, the men are the major culprit.

  4. daniel
    Posted July 9, 2012 at 11:55 am | Permalink

    A bit self-righteous, Ava. Are you holding up your end of the bargain? You admit to being ‘em, well traveled. That would lessen you as a reward worthy of our efforts, would it not?

    Nevertheless, I am prepared to overlook that for this life-time (modernity and feminism having done their damage; in service of constructing better White gender relations in future generations), if you’ve not dated outside the race and if you are indeed, appreciative and supportive of warriors on behalf of the race.

    I want a woman who appreciates a warrior on behalf of the White race. Should compatibility merit the effort that woman will be happy. But it will call for her seeing beyond the episode of manifold dates and rather following the path of our relationship as it has unfolded over tens of thousands of years, connecting and extending this ongoing pattern of ours as European. We would delight in improving our happiness and love for each other each day, and make you the mother of our children – our reincarnation. I would be proud that you had seen that your children need a man, not a gladiator or a nigger, to teach them how to relate to the world and uphold it as White men would.

    • Ava
      Posted July 9, 2012 at 4:59 pm | Permalink

      While I’m no virgin, I’m also not particularly well traveled across the seven-continents either! I still have much to explore. And yes, the excursions I have been on have all been with caucasian companions. Can’t say the same about a few white nationalist men I know…

      • daniel
        Posted July 9, 2012 at 9:34 pm | Permalink

        Good. I have dated Caucasians only as well.

        Some commentators say that you would do well to enjoy the venture of pleasing and helping a man to be more of what you like. And, I agree that providing that you like him well enough to begin, that that might actually lead to your getting more of what you want and beyond.

        Men are biologically programmed to love women and to want to please them. When we (both men and women) are young, not ready to be married, we are more critical, wanting to survey the opposite sex (no, survey does not necessarily mean sex) to find one who is most complimentary to our inherited form. At the same time, and crucially, we as WN’s are on guard against those who are disposed to aid and abet, if not participate directly in the destruction of our people. Thus, speaking for myself, aggression, without circumspect vetting, does not recognize the tragedy of our context enough.

        You say that it is biological to have standards and be won. As humans, and as a liberated White woman, it is also “biological” to look for men whose manly expression is more comprehensive than a brute willingness to die without a battle plan. If you do not explore your agency in selection, you may find that it is the fools who come forward most forcibly, while better men take a step back, looking for a woman who takes the fuller social life of Europeans into account. Nevertheless, there does (or should) come a point when we, in seeing the way toward a safe, White homeland, empathize enough with our common aims, where criticism is not at the forefront, but rather cooperation and appreciation.

        Uh makes some valid points. “Could he simply chop the wood and stack it somewhere, or does he have to pretend he’s on the plain of Marathon or something?” I would add that, if not a sacral attitude, then an appreciation and enjoyment for ordinary requirements is a crucial step away from modernist rupturing, imbalance and over-ambitions, particularly as they have impacted gender relations. I guess that you show some appreciation of that in asking whether it is mustard or mayo that one prefers on a sandwich.

        I don’t see myself as transcending a composite of the myriad of men that you have dated.

        On the other hand, I do believe this is a war on behalf of Whites and against anti-Whites. Hence, there is that aspect of WN that is heroic, epic, transcendent of the ordinary, with potential to change our world – A very romantic journey to share, indeed.

        As a supportive means, on a personal/relational level, I conceive of a relationship with women as a cooperative effort in exploration and mutual improvement, in harmony with what Enkeli has discovered (great comment, Enkeli!).

      • uh
        Posted July 10, 2012 at 5:17 am | Permalink

        “If you do not explore your agency in selection, you may find that it is the fools who come forward most forcibly, while better men take a step back, looking for a woman who takes the fuller social life of Europeans into account. ”

        Beautiful, bro. When you’re not trying to write sociology your exactness gleams like a well-polished knife.

  5. Eric Hale
    Posted July 9, 2012 at 12:00 pm | Permalink

    Women reflect the light of men. If that light dies, why would you expect them to be anything but dark?

    Why yell at the mirror in the dark?

    So, turn your light on. Lift weights. Dress better. Fight. Physically fight another man. Go to jail over it. Take him out for a beer afterwards. Nothing strengthens your natural, masculine instincts than fighting…even better, get in a *brawl* involving your group of guys and another group. Instant mannerbund, just add beer and a few insults.

    Hang out with your grandfather, if you still have one. The man takes no shit from anyone.

    • Skregnor
      Posted July 9, 2012 at 3:27 pm | Permalink

      “So, turn your light on. Lift weights. Dress better. Fight. Physically fight another man. Go to jail over it. Take him out for a beer afterwards. Nothing strengthens your natural, masculine instincts than fighting…even better, get in a *brawl* involving your group of guys and another group. Instant mannerbund, just add beer and a few insults.”

      Yeah, nothing screams MASCULINITY like a felony, right? Or getting beaten to an inch of your life by a group of other men.

      You sir, know nothing about masculinity. You only see the violent side of it. What your missing is the tactical side of it. When to fight and when to fight. When to know when to shut up and pick your fights.

      • Eric Hale
        Posted July 10, 2012 at 11:22 am | Permalink

        My grandfather knocked me out cold when I was 16 for disrespecting his authority (i worked on his cotton farm in the summers) and challenging him to such an extent that he felt it was time for a boy to learn what being a man really means. Put up, or shut up. The man had enough of my mouth, and acted accordingly. I was a changed person after that…much more respectful not only of him, but others as well.

        Violence and (better) the real respect for violence is the heart and soul of masculinity. Everything else that proceeds from that point is good, but justice, law, politics, etc are all meaningless without it.

        That is still my favorite memory of my grandfather.

    • Lew
      Posted July 9, 2012 at 6:25 pm | Permalink

      Physically fight another man. Go to jail over it. Take him out for a beer afterwards. Nothing strengthens your natural, masculine instincts than fighting…even better, get in a *brawl* involving your group of guys and another group. Instant mannerbund, just add beer and a few insults.

      No. I think you have good intentions here, but come on. Having a violent felony on your record will ruin your life! You won’t be able to get a job shoveling shit.

      That said, I can’t help but wonder how many of the so-called “beta” males in the pussy-obsessed manosphere, the ones who need to be taught confidence, charm and assertiveness, either failed to play team sports in their younger days and/or do time in the military.

      My own thoughts on competition; This is what I did when I was younger (peoples’ MMV):

      – Lots of weight lifting.

      – Kung Fu, BJJ, MMA. It’s a great physical and mental workout. And, if you care to, once you learn enough, you will eventually get to “fight somebody,” albeit under controlled conditions.

      You also get to do stuff like break stacks of boards and bricks with bare hands or feet. Those things have little practical value in a street fight — the point is to demonstrate the power of the techniques without breaking bones or killing somebody — but once you break a brick with a bare fist, you will never fear another man again.

      – Football and basketball, aggressive contact sports. Anyone who thinks basketball isn’t a contact sport isn’t watching closely enough. I think hockey and rugby would be great choices, too.

      Football and especially basketball tend to draw a lot Blacks. I see that as an added benefit for young White men. Society upholds the Black male as the athletic prototype. But once you go up against them, you see they’re not that tough, often all mouth in fact (not always. A lot of Blacks are amazingly good, credit where credit is due).

      MMA/sports also affords the chance to see first hand and admire the accomplishments of other men on the physical plane. One of my martial arts instructors used to intimidate the hell out of me, both physically and psychologically. He was half-Korean/half-Chinese. His arms were like IRON. You can’t help but be impressed by that. While is physical talents were amazing, I think in many ways he fit the ideal of the traditionalist alpha male. His character, honor, and integrity made him a better man than martial artist. He wasn’t White, but I’m grateful to have known him.

      – Go out shooting a lot. Great stress relief.

      – Carry a gun occasionally. Not to go looking for trouble or have an attitude, but just to give a symbolic middle finger to liberal society while doing something traditionally associated with men, carrying a lethal weapon.

      – If you’re very young and happen to see this, play sports with your father, too.

      tl;dr: work out, play sports, martial arts

      • Eric Hale
        Posted July 10, 2012 at 11:07 am | Permalink

        How many fistfights become felonies in your state? Dear God. We fought all the time in college here in Texas. Just par for the course. It is damn good for your character, especially when you lose…that’s when you start learning the “tactical” aspect of when TO fight and when NOT to. Fear of repercussion from the law is probably going to kill the West. Too much law and order created the perfect conditions for the type of emasculated society we suffer under.

        I have known men who have never been in one fight (much less a real honky-tonk melee) in their entire lives. They are fucked up in the head because of it.

      • Eric Hale
        Posted July 10, 2012 at 11:27 am | Permalink

        Good points on playing sports, particularly football, Lew. Not only does it teach you “not to be a little crybaby bitch” (to quote my completely stereotypical high school coach), but it is an excellent means to male bonding between teammates, coaches, the community, and most importantly, fathers and sons. Good comment.

      • Lew
        Posted July 10, 2012 at 5:15 pm | Permalink

        Louisiana. Split my college years between New Orleans/Miami. Neither town charges every outbreak of minor violence between drunk college males, but, in my experience, yes, in both places the cops will charge. My roommate got charged with a felony for breaking a guy’s jaw a bar fight (over a girl — what else?). He got it reduced after a lot of time, trouble and expense, and two nights in the local jail. It’s not worth the hassle in my opinion when you can join a boxing club. I definitely agree with your overall point; however, one element of becoming a man and being a man is doing man stuff like fights, competition, bonding, getting your ass kicked in some setting or another, or kicking somebody’s ass, or both. Simple as that.

    • Ava
      Posted July 9, 2012 at 8:12 pm | Permalink

      “Women reflect the light of men. If that light dies, why would you expect them to be anything but dark?

      Why yell at the mirror in the dark?”

      God, I love this.

  6. Erik
    Posted July 9, 2012 at 12:03 pm | Permalink

    I don’t want a woman who thrives on confrontation or who has two dates in one night, I want a woman who is meek, submissive, feminine and docile. I want a woman who has saved herself body and soul for her husband. In short I want a real woman. It has become obvious to me however that to find one I will have to go to East Asia and marry outside my race.

    The race is finished and I plan never to have children. What’s the point of having them? So they can grow up and miscegenate with blacks or Mexicans embracing everything I abhor or so they can be victimized some day by gangs of non-whites? The race was finished long ago. Read Revilo Oliver, you are all in denial of reality. The most important thing I can say to you is never have children, to do so would be morally wrong and a crime against posterity.

    Nothing can be “reversed” at this late stage we passed the point of no return and frankly most of the WN’s I have met or read online are so crazy so self destructive or so and stupid that they fail to provide a better alternative to the current power structure. In short I find them as contemptible as the elites they claim to oppose. Most WN’s couldn’t map their way out of a cardboard box, the idea that some day WN’s are going to ascend to power is absurd on its face. Aside from a couple of individuals every WN I know of is an ingoramus or a lunatic.

    Alas, I doubt a single young woman of virtue and true femininity can be found from among my own race.

    • flavia
      Posted July 9, 2012 at 1:34 pm | Permalink

      Once again, perfect is the enemy of good.

      Just because true women of virtue are not available to you does not mean they are not available at all. Rural towns and Eastern Europe still have women who cling to the old life, not to mention even in America there are plenty of women who have embraced ‘red pill thinking.’

      But why would any woman want a man so beaten down he won’t even father a child with her due to the futility of it all.

      Further, having actually lived in Asia I can tell you that the myth of the meek Asian virgin is just that. Any any East Asian girl willing to “date” a Western guy is most likely a prodigious slut, not to mention the lot of that whole region is hyper-materialistic, uninspired…and NOT US. Oh the stories I could tell you.

      Whatever, enjoy!

      • Greg Johnson
        Posted July 9, 2012 at 1:39 pm | Permalink

        Is it even perfect? It sounds like he wants a little girl, not a woman.

      • flavia
        Posted July 9, 2012 at 1:56 pm | Permalink

        Well, I do suppose the attributes he listed are definite virtues…meek, chaste etc. But if he wants some life form that just stands there, doesn’t talk, and looks pretty, he might as well buy a plant. Or a Live Doll.

        But whatever, perhaps it is best the genes of those that surrender so easily should not continue. He can listen to Fall Out Boy and watch Hentai instead of trying to find one of the many million of nice, normal white girls out there to have a family with.

      • UFASP
        Posted July 9, 2012 at 2:17 pm | Permalink

        I lived in Korea, myself. What you have to say about East Asia (being materialistic) is basically true (as I traveled to other parts of the Orient in my time there). And ajummas are a very scary mold, indeed! (To be fair, I think they are sort of a dying breed; throwbacks to a time when life in Korea was more rural and harsh.)

      • Off-topic
        Posted July 9, 2012 at 2:22 pm | Permalink

        Flavia, I agree with your assessment of Asians. I would like to add a few more observations:

        Asians are among the most materialistic, non-spiritual, culturally-historically-scientifically ignorant people I have ever met. Americans including myself when I was younger thought they were thoughtful, contemplative people that enjoyed classical music, played the piano, and excelled in academics. And no doubt some do, but even those that do see these not as things of transcendental value, but as symbols of success and tools. They are self-disciplined and competent in most areas they work, but they are not creative people and their attachment to materialism which in its most base form is seen in their attachment to gambling–a very common activity throughout Asia is striking. Their understanding and curiosity about the world including the Western world and its history, science, and culture–the world Asian – Americans live in–is non-existent. If they don’t use or need to know about scientific inventions/ideas in their profession, they are equally unaware. They are not people we can look to for ideas, inspiration, or novelty. As for the vaunted IQ of Asians, I wonder if they really include Asians from Asia and across social strata. My own suspicion is that IQ results from most of the non-Western world show significant selection bias. This is speculation but I think the difference between races would be much greater if comparable elements of the white and Asian populations were sampled.

      • flavia
        Posted July 9, 2012 at 4:26 pm | Permalink

        Off topic, you said it exactly what I think. It is totally true, and very perceptive of you.

        I wish I could articulate like that, but me no word good.

        It seems both the OP of this comment thread and of this article are too demanding in their quest for a mate. Sometimes the love comes before the striving…i strive to be a better wife, to be more beautiful inside and out, because of the love I have for my husband. That is more powerful to me than some innate femininity or sense that I must be a certain way.

        In a somewhat related topic, leave men to push others to be hard and brutish- women should act as a balance to that. If a man cannot feel comfortable to be vulnerable in front of you, then perhaps he may be better off alone. The more I re-read this article, and see the video of what type of men the OP wants, the more I think this is just some bastardized ideal of what she thinks she ought to like. Like the chick who boasts about how much she loves football and World of Warcraft.

      • Ava
        Posted July 9, 2012 at 5:30 pm | Permalink

        Congrats. I truly applaud that you have been lucky in love and have found a worthy mate. I also hope you have lots of beautiful white children to populate the earth. That being said, I think you are misunderstanding the term expectation with having standards.

        Since I don’t believe in equality (I don’t want to serve in the military or be a firefighter), I think men should treasure their women. Even the hardcore mannish female execs refrain from asking men to marry them. Why is that? Deep down all women want to be on that pedestal and “won”. This is biology, not entitlement.

      • flavia
        Posted July 9, 2012 at 7:13 pm | Permalink

        Thank you, and yes, hopefully many white children.

        I totally understand your desire to be put on a pedestal and won, as I am a typical girl myself. What I wonder is that many women who desire this, don’t understand that men want this as well. At least from my (severely limited) experience, men want to be idolized and nurtured, as much as we want to be treated like princesses. The problem is when either party does not reciprocate….so I suppose since your article was more about what you desire, not what you can give (aside from good looks) it made me wonder… The Poplar and the Stream story.

      • Ava
        Posted July 9, 2012 at 8:30 pm | Permalink

        By sacrificing all, wouldn’t you say I give a lot?

        Why am I always stronger than the men that I date? This is my dilemma. I am fierce in nature and because of this I accept nothing less but pure alpha. I outperform all my suitors. No one can challenge me. It is a curse.

      • Greg P
        Posted July 16, 2012 at 4:24 pm | Permalink


        By sacrificing all, wouldn’t you say I give a lot?

        Healthy men don’t want you to “sacrifice” everything, they want you to give of yourself because you love and are dedicated to them. “Sacrifice” implies that you don’t want to do it on some level — that you are giving up some great thing for them and now they owe you. It’s not true giving if you are “giving” with resentment. It will come out in various ways and eventually will cause real problems.

        Why am I always stronger than the men that I date?

        If this is a question you seriously ask yourself, is it any wonder you have yet to find what you desire? When you ask yourself a question with enough intensity, seriousness, and emotion, your brain WILL come up with an answer (or answers) for it, regardless of what the question is.
        So maybe a better habitual question to ask yourself would be “How can I find/attract a man stronger than me?”

        I am fierce in nature and because of this I accept nothing less but pure alpha.

        A real alpha does not want a weak woman who doesn’t value herself. If he truly is an alpha, than he thinks highly of himself and would know he deserves better than a woman who is weak and likely has no/little self-esteem. So being “fierce” and valuing yourself highly is exactly what the kind of man you want wants.

        However, I think you make a mistake when you say “pure alpha.” You’re never going to find a “pure” alpha because he doesn’t exist. No one is completely archetype. Everyone has certain elements that don’t fit into one category. There is no such thing as purity, in this sense, so by default you are setting yourself up for failure. It’s one thing to ask for a real alpha male; it’s quite another to ask for someone to fit an ideal perfectly.

        My wife is racially aware, and is a lot like how you describe yourself: she wanted a man stronger than her; she valued and values herself highly; she was independent before I met her, but she is also highly feminine; wanted to be free to be her natural self (instead of doing the whole empowered, independent woman thing). She was also a virgin and pure in ways that surpassed my ideals in many respects. For all her virtues and all of mine — and neither of us have met anyone who comes close to the ideals of our partner — neither of us fit the ideal perfectly.

        What we do, do is strive towards being better, stronger, and more successful ourselves and accept each others short comings without resentment. We are also dedicated to make our relationship work come hell or high water. We don’t believe in divorce out of principle, not because of religiosity.

        If you continue to look for your perfect, Aryan husband god/ideal, you will not find him, probably because you secretly or unconsciously are sacred of finding him. I can definitely understand you not having found a man worthy of you yet, but if you continue to go about things the way you are (especially with such a defeated attitude), you almost certainly won’t find him.

        And if you are honest with yourself, you don’t fit the ideal either. You have many of your own faults, and so why would someone who’s so ideal he doesn’t exist want you? Most of the time though, people who act so fanatical in this regard aren’t really suffering from thinking too highly of themselves, but are dealing with some sort of self-hatred on a certain level. It’s like the guys who try to compensate for their insecurities by buying really big trucks or whatever makes them feel like a “real” man.

        I outperform all my suitors. No one can challenge me. It is a curse.

        Again, this kind of language betrays a certain self-defeating attitude. If you think you are “cursed” to be better than all of your suitors, than that’s exactly what you will get. And don’t tell me you don’t really believe the things you just said. The fact that you are using the kind of language you are at all says something, Besides, the language we use affects our perceptions on things. You can see how that works by using different words to describe how your feelings or attitudes towards things are that indicate how you feel in a decreased or increased way. Changing your body language and posture can also help change your perceptions of things. Be confident, you will find your alpha husband. Relax a little, it will do you some good.

        I wish you the best of luck, my Aryan sister.

    • Posted July 10, 2012 at 9:51 am | Permalink

      ” I want a woman who is meek, submissive, feminine and docile.”

      Woman who are meek submissive and docile are the FIRST women in the neighborhood to join the Love Lives Here, Anti Hate, Anti Racism groups or at least financially and emotionally support these enemies of the White Nationalist cause.

      Being a WN woman takes guts and inner strength and women who are meek and submissive are also meek and submissive when it comes to the multiculturalist, holocaust mythology and anti White ( help the poor in Africa) agenda. They wont stand up against the insanity and hypocrisy of organized religion, or the idea that ” we all bleed red”.

      Meek, submissive and docile women will be the ones to gush over the neighbors adopted niglet twins in front of your blond haired blue eyed children. And if something happens to you, she will cave on the WN agenda before you are cold in the grave.

      My husband knows that I will just as strongly uphold his racial beliefs whether he is here or not. He likes my strength of character and the fact that I wont back down on anything I feel strongly about. And so he has a lovely blue eyed blond daughter being raised in a strong WN household. Do you?

      • Ava
        Posted July 10, 2012 at 12:05 pm | Permalink

        Bravo! Just take a look at Leonidas’ wife. A true warrior needs a warrior Queen at his side. With any less inner strength, they’ll both be at risk. Yes, there is a reason I chose that clip and it wasn’t just to show off the muscles of Leonidas.

      • Michael Bell
        Posted July 11, 2012 at 2:23 pm | Permalink

        A woman who just nods and smiles, says very little, and is “meek and docile” also makes for an easier assault target, no? It’d be nice to know that your woman had enough attitude and strength to be able to protect herself in case she was ever in a serious confrontation while you weren’t around.

        Also, a woman who’s got some attitude is more interesting. Let’s get serious. Meek and docile can get dull after a while.

  7. NND
    Posted July 9, 2012 at 12:14 pm | Permalink

    Your article is interesting, but a little bit ambivalent: in some paragraphs your statements make me think in you like the (would be) mother of my child’s and in others I feel like reading some kind of neurotic feminist manifesto.

    The problem is not the white women itself, but the “white modern women”. I’m going to illustrate my point with an example: Eowyn (LOTR) is the white ideal of women, that ideal is what I (and the real men within the Movement) are looking for, but that ideal NO longer exist, because our present world has destroyed the white women, just look at the mainstream, many names come to my mind.

    Can you see the differences?

    Now, the absence of real white women in the Movement (and everywhere) makes that the real white men in the movement could easy fall into misogynistic positions, and that is a terrible mistake, understandable but unforgivable.

    We need real women, not neurotic feminist bitches.

    Also, we need real men, not losers trying to figure out how to be an “alpha” and get some empty sex from women who do not worth the oxigen they breath.

    But before everything else, what we really need is to stop tapping on keyboards and build a Homeland for our race, the Northwest American Republic.

  8. rhondda
    Posted July 9, 2012 at 12:39 pm | Permalink

    Ava, darling please. I need to go slaughter the chickens now and weed the garden. Feminists do not have wet dreams. Lesbians do I am told by some. Feminists have power dreams. That does seem to be your domain. Not really self-overcoming kind of power, now is it?
    I would much rather read Evola than go to a bar. I would much rather talk to a guy about Evola’s Metaphysics of Sex than bounce off to the bedroom after the bar and have boring sex. (not that I have. Sex kind of scares men, despite what they say) I would rather talk about psychic vampirism and how it works than watch a vampire movie.
    Of course I am older than you. I can tell. Must be why I get all these guys asking me for advice or confirmation that they are decent guys. (in that round about way they ask) Disdain dear is your mortal enemy. Discernment is not.

    • Ava
      Posted July 9, 2012 at 4:37 pm | Permalink

      Have boring sex? You’re obviously “talking” to the wrong people. And it shouldn’t be an either/or. Why not discuss Evola’s metaphysics of sex while hanging from the ceiling above the bed? You’ll definitely be enlightening your own physics and psy-vamp fetish.

  9. UFASP
    Posted July 9, 2012 at 12:46 pm | Permalink

    Nothing written below is meant to come off as venomous or spiteful towards the author so I hope it’s not taken it that way. But here are some responses to some points of consideration.

    “Why am I telling you all this? Well, even with the guuuurl-power enriched independent life that I lead, I would give it up in a heartbeat and move to a cabin in the Northwest (I don’t do suburbs)”

    While fairly innocuous, I suppose, these little a priori rules about matters such as the suburbs are so typical from women these days. It’s one thing to say “I won’t have sex before I’m married” or “I won’t marry outside of my faith,” but women feel so entitled to make all of these little demands (that are usually quite petty in the grand scheme of a lasting relationship). I think it’s far more rare to see men engaging in such a priori demands (not so much because men are more moral but because it also happens to be pretty unmanly to have such demands by nature and to impose them on the fairer sex). This is not to say that contemporary men don’t have their own failings in other areas but if you’re willing to listen to advice as readily as you give it, take what I’m saying in this regard to heart. Little a priori rules like “I don’t X and won’t have anything to do with it” or “I won’t like in X” really turn quality guys off. It’s rightly (or wrongly) a signifier of what being married to such a woman is like. In other words, they perceive this to be a precursor to marital nagging about the most trivial of things. What you wrote above didn’t really bother me because it was pretty restrained. But trust me, I’ve seen women turn one rule into a laundry list without even realizing it. This is why they talk about “house breaking” men all the time, I suppose.

    “breastfeeding triplets next to a wood-burning kitchen stove. And I’m not alone. My gorgeous and professional high value girlfriends feel the same. We want traditional patriarchs. We’re dying for them! (May the goddess strike me down!) But only on one condition: You have to be worthy of our submission.”

    This is true. But when I look around at the world today, I don’t exactly see vast handfuls of women who are excellent judges of character. This is not to say that I think all the WNs “deserve” to have hot “goddess” wives. But women have the selective advantage under a value system that allows for feminism. And I don’t see most of these women making the most of it even if you insist that this is what you’re trying to do.

    “What does that mean? Well, we want authentic men. Not boys who text, but men who call.”

    “We” can’t possibly mean most (white) women. It’s a mantra for women to say they don’t want “boys,” but very often that’s exactly who they go for if the total package is what’s defining males as either “men” or “boys.” Now, I grant you that women do go for physically bigger and more masculine men still. That’s just biology and the men who begrudge that are fools and bitter betas. But when it comes to character, I find that most women confuse muscles and status for character even if they insist that they make a distinction. One of the authors that this site champions, Anthony Ludovici, has some harsh but illuminating things to say in this regard.

    I’ll put it this way, I was not the high school quarterback. I ran cross country (though I still lift weights and work out and am no longer a sting-bean). But I’ve never been bitter towards seeing a beautiful white women with that bigger high school quarterback PROVIDED that he really was going to make his relationship with that women count. If I felt his intentions were noble, then great! I don’t have an egoistic approach to life like that because I “didn’t get the girl” and I think MANY men are like this. I’m not some anomaly. In fact, I don’t think there’s a more beautiful site to behold than seeing a beautifully matched couple. But all too often I do see women falling for what’s essentially shallow and then crying about a lack of chivalry after they are bitten by their own indiscretions and imprudence.

    In my own experience, I find that the women who become more willing to make the distinction between a man of character and some big muscle head who’s going to do a pump and dump are ones that have “been around” so much that even guys who are fairly down the pecking order (most average men) don’t want them anymore. Then, of course, NO BODY is happy. It’s a myth that feminism only makes men unhappy.

    F. Roger Devlin talks about feminism in this respect. It’s a myth that men (in general) love feminism because it makes sex easier for men to obtain. That’s all inflated by Judaic media as far as I can tell. In fact, it’s not that most men don’t want commitment. The system of monogamy was a male “social construct,” after all. It’s that men don’t want to commit to women that have a record. It makes them a cuckold before they’ve even said “I do.” No “real man” wants to be laughed at behind his back even if it meant obtaining a “hot chick.”

    In all fairness, I don’t think many women out there actually understand this perspective. They’re stuck on the whole “men use women” as if men are some monolith. Go into any local shopping mall. Women do a pretty good job of objectifying themselves before any man has even had a say on the matter. I can’t imagine what it’s like to try to raise a respectable daughter these days.

    “For example, this is what’s currently mucking up our dating pool:”

    Why not ask yourself WHY these men are so successful with women? That’s the far more interesting question than pondering about where all the white knights in shining armor have gone.

  10. AWM
    Posted July 9, 2012 at 12:56 pm | Permalink

    First an article to shame us, now one telling us to “man up.” Is this author going to run the whole gambit of Judeo-Liberal Feminista chestnuts? And how is one person who spends most of an article telling us how super-duper unique she is, advance the cause of White Nationalism? How does this exception (hardly) prove anything?

    Hey Ms. Moretti, try online dating – they always have an “about me” section where they leave plenty of room for women to write about accomplishments, world traveling, and business world importance. Some guys love self-satisfied women, and dream of that special little snowflake.

    Wasn’t it you Greg who told us in another article to stick to our mission with our forefather’s integrity and honor, and the women will follow? I’d suggest you read more about the Manosphere (as it is much more than just “Game”) if you really feel it necessary to open this kettle of fish onto a plate that isn’t in need of seafood.

    • Off-topic
      Posted July 9, 2012 at 2:42 pm | Permalink

      Success breeds a bit of contempt for those who have less money, fewer academic accomplishments, a lower social position, and diminished prospects. What is forgotten is how precarious the position of even a successful, beautiful white woman is in a darkening world and how they themselves have reaped benefits of the current system with its affirmative action for women in employment, college acceptances, and accelerated promotions.

  11. flavia
    Posted July 9, 2012 at 1:43 pm | Permalink

    This article is fine, the only problem with it being that the woman is still under the mentality of “what can you do for me” or “how you can prove to be worthy of me”…we shouldn’t place ourselves on such pedestals and expect men to be perfect either. Part of relationships is helping men become the men they can/should be through love and support, not expecting them to just be ideal for you from the get go.

    Through the love they feel for you, and from you, men will work harder to be their ideal selves. But being demanding and petulant will achieve the opposite. Nothing is a bigger boner killer than a nag.

    I got too lucky in love, far too young though, so perhaps this is my idealized version.

    • Jaego Scorzne
      Posted July 9, 2012 at 5:35 pm | Permalink

      Perhaps her quest for perfection (as she considers herself) in a Man is really a way not to have to get married and surrender to anyone.

      • Ava
        Posted July 9, 2012 at 8:32 pm | Permalink

        My best friend would agree with you.

  12. Corey
    Posted July 9, 2012 at 2:18 pm | Permalink

    Thanks for the advice, but I’m taken. Perhaps women like yourself should take some advice on how to please a man. White nationalist or not, you’re headed for bitter spinsterdom at lighting speed.

    Those nice Amish, Mormon, Mexican and Muslim women have a future on this planet, because they follow nature’s law. I really hope the Amish come out on top there. But the evidence suggests it will be anyone but the modern, cosmopolitan woman. If you want a future, you should probably be worrying more about how to please a man, and serve a family. It would be much more fruitful than your current, entitled attitude.

  13. April Gaede
    Posted July 9, 2012 at 2:27 pm | Permalink

    Has the infamous Elizabeth Bennett resurfaced?

    • Greg Johnson
      Posted July 9, 2012 at 2:55 pm | Permalink


      • Fourmyle of Ceres
        Posted July 9, 2012 at 5:19 pm | Permalink

        Two cheers for Elizabeth Bennett, who at least gave some useful hints and ideas for boys who had been raised by women who hate men, to hate Men, in general, and the Man in themselves, in particular.

        I have been shocked at the demography of WN meetings; gray suits, gray hair, grey Men, and their antithesis, nihilistic failures who adopt the outward trappings of the NSDAP Cultural Moment, without the spiritual core and technical expertise – the Todt Organization – that made the NSDAP Cultural Moment so successful.

        Nothing in the middle, and very, very few women at all. Even fewer Ladies, I might add.

        Sometime back, on a VNN FTL program, Briseis addressed the issue of the lack of worthy Men in WN activities. She was bemused, and wanted to address the issue at length. She received virtually no feedback at all; apparently, she was holding up a Freudian Mirror.

        The Answer seems to be damn near a bare metal rebuild of our Culture, starting with ourselves, starting where we are. Harold Covington noted we live lives that would be beyond the wildest dreams of our Ancestors at the turn of the last century; we can travel the length of the country in hours for less than a weeks worth if wages, we can see, and talk with, the world for damn near free – an iPhone with access. Our automobiles are magnitudes more reliable, as is our infrastructure. We sent men to the Moon, and brought them back. We have access to “wealth” – define it how you will, in one form or another, far beyond the dreams of those Ancestors, all of which seems to have been dissipated in terms of useful outcomes.

        We at have begun to notice something Harold Covington mentioned elsewhere; that the Men FOR THE FIRST TIME IN HISTORY are getting organized in their rebellion against a status quo that seems them as rented mules, at best, and eminently dispensable obsolete tools, at worst. The Marriage Strike is catching on, and, much more importantly, the foundational mindset needed to assert and aggressively defend our repeat OUR interests, is developing.

        Our Challenge is to take the best Tradition has to offer, and rework it in the developing cultural framework; this, while no longer being victims.

        In the words of Real Man Darth Vader, “All too easy.”

        In summation, Elizabeth Bennett offered some useful ideas, and Briseis (obliquely) noted that our Philosophy, our Cause, seems to attract few men, indeed, and even fewer who are investment grade material.

        We have ALWAYS accepted the Terms and Definitions of The Enemy. Once this stops, and is replaced by what works for US, the foundations of a New Dawn will be fast upon us.

  14. Jason
    Posted July 9, 2012 at 2:47 pm | Permalink

    I agree Ava with all you said but how can you be a warrior when you have to go to work everyday? What is there to do for men in our boring civilization today? Most men around here have big beer guts and watch auto racing and ball games because thats about all there is.

    • Ava
      Posted July 9, 2012 at 4:44 pm | Permalink

      How about saving whites in your spare time? Plenty of warrior work needed there. For more info, email Greg.

  15. Corey
    Posted July 9, 2012 at 2:54 pm | Permalink

    And I agree with the gentlemen who exposed the Asian woman myth. They may be physically weak and meek, but they’re also greedy, materialistic and shallow. I’d sooner Eva tell me more about her career (ugh) than go on day long shopping trips with some Asian girl. At least in Eva’s case, there is some substance.

  16. Posted July 9, 2012 at 3:27 pm | Permalink

    Where are your parents? Your father? to suggest a potential mate that would help the family overall in a political sense? Forgive, but when one writes on these topics and doesn’t mention their own ancestors, let alone parents, then “white nationalism” looks more a coping mechanism to divorced parents and miserable childhoods.

    • Ava
      Posted July 9, 2012 at 4:03 pm | Permalink

      I’m a white nationalist because of my Father. He’s the one who originally encouraged me to go out on a different date every night.

      “Do I have to sleep with all of them?”
      “God, no!” was his response.

      • Posted July 9, 2012 at 5:10 pm | Permalink

        Appreciated, Ava. It’s a minor critical point, but to not mention one’s parents in the mate scene, left me wondering on the situation. As you noted, it was your father, who encouraged the ‘dating scene.’ Yes, you honor your father, as it turns out, almost strangely, but we can still criticize the entire concept of “dating”–might be something to write about even–what is “dating”? What is courtship?

        Thanks again, and look forward to more material. Best of luck.

    • Ava
      Posted July 9, 2012 at 4:11 pm | Permalink

      Forgot to mention that he’s now deceased. So I am alone in the mate picking process. I wish that weren’t the case. I loved my Father dearly.

      • Jaego Scorzne
        Posted July 9, 2012 at 5:45 pm | Permalink

        He sounds great. Now you have to find a Spiritual Father to find you a mate. You obviously are the last one to know who is right. Two dates in one night? That’s respect? And you want what you are unwilling to give?

        You consider yourself a Princess of White Nationalism. Fine. And you want to become a Queen. Ok, but now you have obligations. We want a marriage within two years. From now on limit yourself to dating White Nationalists. Ask Greg or other WN’s you trust for introductions with a view to marriage. And then choose.

        Ideally your Parents would have introduced you around or fixed you up. You would only have had veto power. Now you get to choose and she who chooses has trouble. Women so often want it all and wait too long looking for imaginary perfection – even as they decline in beauty and sweetness. My Queen! Do not let it happen to you.

      • Ava
        Posted July 9, 2012 at 6:55 pm | Permalink

        Date White Nationalists? Ummmm. Maybe I should do an article on the many twists and turns of WN sexual politics… There’s no one left on the roster to date.

      • Posted July 10, 2012 at 10:35 am | Permalink

        Dr Pierce himself tried to ” find me a husband”. What happened was a horror story. Ava, I suggest that you do like I did and get a man who is racially conscious but has spent little to no time in the ” movement” or on WN internet forums, he will be much more sane and reasonable.

      • Michael Bell
        Posted July 13, 2012 at 8:04 am | Permalink

        The Board Room clip was particularly funny, if only because it is reality. Even as a teacher, I find that I am constantly surrounded by guys (I won’t call them men) like that. Everywhere I go, it seems every person cannot help but say “fuck” in every sentence, or a few times every sentence. Mental dullards abound.

  17. BasilX
    Posted July 9, 2012 at 4:08 pm | Permalink

    My experience and views are similar to those expressed by off-topic and flavia.
    I have not lived in Asia but I had professional contact with many Asians.I found them extremely materialistic,lacking intellectual curiosity,focusing only in advancement of their career.At times when needed they are obsequious,with no moral- ethical standard but when they have power with penchant to display their superiority in a crass manner. I have not been impressed with their IQ although they come from the upper strata of the society.As far as good women that some WN’s men a talking about are less likely to be found in Eastern-European countries than in USA.

  18. Enkeli
    Posted July 9, 2012 at 4:23 pm | Permalink

    Dear Ava-

    First, let me disclose that I am female- the Finnish word I use for my name is the gender neutral stem of “Angel”.

    I think that all women, no matter how sincere we are about wanting to heal the wounds between the sexes and to set the world back to rights and reclaim Traditional values, first have to admit that we have been poisoned by feminism.

    Then, the first work we have to do is to push that poison out of our systems. This is an extremely painful process because as the poison comes to the surface, we taste its bitterness even more intensely. And we mourn the time we have wasted and the harm we have done, and the grief is excruciating. And, unfortunately, because our culture is so permeated with this feminist poison, we may never cure ourselves completely. It may be a life-long struggle, but even so, we can at least leave a better legacy for our children.

    I point this out, gently I hope, because the tone and vocabulary of your article is evidence of the need for this work. I have learned, in the laboratory of my own marriage to a man I unabashedly adore and completely respect, that men are much more likely to listen to women when we lower our voices, speak respectfully, and stop telling them what they “ought” to do. Many of your ideas are good and right. But your tone doesn’t always match your words, and that’s going to make some men suspicious.

    I really think that women need to focus on fixing ourselves, and give men the space and support to do the same. And then, once we are able to reach out to men in a loving, respectful way, they will take our hands, if they are truly committed to the same process. And they will step forward and be the leaders we want and need them to be.

    Some men will be too angry. And some simply won’t have the fortitude, the tools or the desire. Some will never trust us or be willing to open up to us again and that’s a huge loss for the Aryan people. But most women are even more of a lost cause, unfortunately. Because they can’t even begin the healing process by admitting that they’re poisoned and therefore poisonous.

    I myself was redeemed by the birth of my son, and the love of my husband. I got lucky, really. I am grateful to the Fates every day, that I found a man strong and whole enough to show me how to be a woman. And I am honored that he values my counsel, and trusts me enough to ask for it. Strong men really do want and value strong women, but our definition of strength has to change. My own definition is guided by spiritual principles, but that’s another article.

    Anyway, I wish you luck in your search for a worthy mate. And I know that if you are truly dedicated to being a worthy mate in return, and focused completely on that transformation, you will find what you seek. It is still possible. I know.

    • Kiitos
      Posted July 9, 2012 at 5:45 pm | Permalink

      That is just about the greatest goddamned comment I have ever seen around here. Your words well reflect true feminine grace and beauty. Thank you, and consider expanding your thoughts into a longer essay if the mood ever strikes you. Cheers.

      • Enkeli
        Posted July 9, 2012 at 6:59 pm | Permalink

        Paljon kiitoksia!

        Thank you for the lovely compliment. That was my first ever comment here and I was more than a bit nervous, because the topic gets so heated. But the dialog is really, really important, and speaking directly from the heart is a Traditional value that is worth reclaiming.

    • uh
      Posted July 9, 2012 at 7:21 pm | Permalink

      Now, here’s a woman who merits respect and gentle handling. Bravo.

      Take a lesson, Ava. You’re the one who needs it.

      • Enkeli
        Posted July 10, 2012 at 6:29 am | Permalink

        There was a time you would not have thought so. There was a time I was everything you would have hated, and rightfully so. I hated myself. I hated my life. I knew something was wrong, very wrong, but I didn’t have the vocabulary or understanding to articulate exactly what.

        My husband gave me that vocabulary and understanding, though I was already fumbling toward the truth on my own when he met me. I had already rejected modernity and its ruling demon of egalitarianism in my heart, without words, but he gave me the means to actualize my transformation, which is still very, very much a work in process. And in loving me, he gave me absolution for my past, which is key. There has to be forgiveness at some point, though it is not for me.. or for any women.. to presume to tell men when and how and who to forgive.

        My point is- redemption can and does happen.

        And I know I sound like a ridiculous romantic, but I am a woman, and therefore it is allowed (if not overly indulged.)

    • Ava
      Posted July 9, 2012 at 8:20 pm | Permalink


      Thank you for speaking from the heart. I should let you know that I agree with you. I’m really not a bitch…most of the time. A lot of this “persona” is just for entertainment value and I’m glad you responded. We need more more of it! I hope to be just as lucky as you one day soon.

      • Enkeli
        Posted July 10, 2012 at 4:47 am | Permalink

        Dear Ava,

        I am a romantic to some degree, I suppose. In fact, when I have to describe myself using a label, I often say that I am a “romantic nationalist.”

        You know, after I met my husband (and he woke me up from my long sleep with a kiss,) I was initially furious. Furious that women had been deprived of their rightful happiness and security, in the name of false “equality.” But reading classic descriptions of what happens in the Kali Yuga helped me understand…

        Anyway, I get what you are saying about taking on a “writer’s persona” and I can only say that you have much, much thicker skin than I do.

        It is good to be able to talk to other women about such things- the majority of my female friends- the ones I have left anyway- think I have guzzled some kind of Kool-aid and lost my mind. Oh, they are supportive on the surface, but they really think I have “given up my power” and become a doormat-

        when nothing could be further from the truth.

        I am not perfect, by any means. I forget myself and fall back into old patterns. My husband is not perfect, and he sometimes loses patience and/or stumbles on his own path. So we forgive each other; we have to. The only road maps we have are incomplete at best, and we of course do not get any support or understanding from our wider “culture.” But the struggle is worth it.

      • Ava
        Posted July 10, 2012 at 11:19 am | Permalink


        You should write about your journey and submit it to Greg. I’m sure all of us would feel honored to read it.

    • Tosti
      Posted July 10, 2012 at 4:40 pm | Permalink


      I have long suspected that truth, in the sense of gnosis is best approached through the heart and that the heart is best approached through the intellect. As long as we are divided, male and female, in expectation that we may approach a fulfillment of truth separately we cannot achieve true understanding. We are greater together than in separation and this is the best basis for understanding relations between male and female. If there is a red-handed culprit it is the modern conception of ‘individualism’ which not only separates male and female in the exterior sense but also in the interior sense as well as creating a barrier between Man and Nature, Man and God, Man and his holistic soul.

      Ava delineates a female view of one aspect of the problem we see between male and female with regard to White Nationalism (or whatever tag you wish to put on ‘our thing’), however you rightly point out that this view is polemical in tone, and parochial in expression (though as a subjective piece some allowance may be given). As a critique it may be useful in the sense of helping to create a chaotic fermentation through which revelation may appear in a creative sense (not a dialectic, nor is anything I write meant to be taken in a modern psychological sense but rather the original sense of the word) and kudos should be given to Greg for creating such an environment in contrast to other ‘traditionalist’ and even more polemical sites where scriveners never see such a creative template. Nevertheless, there has long been a need to present a holistic understanding of this most ‘alchemical’ of subjects, divorced from the merely rational (which always seems to lead to the polemical, especially in the current paradigm), and presented by someone who has lived that integration within the crucible of life. You present weal in the words of your commentary which few understand within the rigid confines of social media. I suspect that like those listening to Jesus (I am not a Christian but find some of the highest Gnosis within the Gospels anyway) in Mark and Matthew many will not understand the parable of existence but will parse out the arguments which appeal to their nature rather than arete. We may only aspire to understand what reality is based on experience, a dimensionality absent from the abstraction of words.

      In my opinion you represent a badly needed and healthy view, one in which male and female are not equal in any sense that we, poor subjective souls that we are, can understand, but rather one of an equality of aspiration in which both male and female strive for the excellence which is open to them by overcoming the merely conditional element of existence. I, for one, would be grateful were you to write an essay upon the subject. One of the particular qualities of the female is that of the healer, the salt sea of anitseptic alchemy wherein wounds may be healed and well-meaning and honourable foes brought to the understanding that they are greater within and without when each presents to the other their truest heart, cleansed of vitriol, to aid the common cause of our folk who languish in separation and sorrow in this age of Kali-Yuga/Ragnarok.

  19. Bear
    Posted July 9, 2012 at 5:13 pm | Permalink

    I have to agree with Ava. Low White fertillity has me very concerned, so when an article warning women of the fall of in fertillity in the 30 is written I usually weigh in in the comments section and point out that economic pressures stemming from immigration, that distortions arising from setting the people to serve economic abstractions favoured by transnational elites are factors that
    forcing women to spend so much time in the workforce to cover expenses is what is killing fertillity of Whites.

    Women inevitably complain about how hard it is to find a man, especially one willing to commit. It seems unmarried couples go through years of casual sex in the boyfriend/girlfriend phase and never move beyond before breaking up often when fertillity is declining. I agree, something about men is the problem here.

    The misogyny directed by men against women in the comments section who seek commitment is startling to me. These men are either a type of psychopath or trolls looking to undermine and demoralise.

    It should also be noted that Low White fertillity is of topic in our politically correct world.

  20. uh
    Posted July 9, 2012 at 6:13 pm | Permalink

    “Good-looking enough to model (I dabbled in print ads), I have my own business and answer to myself and myself alone.”

    I’m going to do some shots, tell bawdy jokes and flirt with waitresses.


    • Off-topic
      Posted July 9, 2012 at 9:32 pm | Permalink

      Don’t let her “gurrl-power” internet persona put you off! It’s like a bit of pornography reading about the fantasies of this woman of mystery, romance, and adventure and her yearning for Nietzsche’s Overman to have her way with her! You’ve got to laugh! The earnestness which WN men display–even when discussing the musings of pseudonymous frustrated women–is actually very encouraging. It is more important than contemplating why her fantasy life has not materialized in the real world where the commissars of political correctness–university admissions officers, corporate diversity officers, and human resource officers–will make sure she is never talked to but in the gentlest and mildest of ways, and her work will be done by those weakly “betas” as she ascends the corporate ladder with that winning personality and good — looks now reserved for the Indians and Asians that are quickly replacing white men in all the professions.

  21. Kiitos
    Posted July 9, 2012 at 6:29 pm | Permalink

    I’d like to thank Ava for daring to wade into this hornet’s nest of a topic in the first place. That willingness alone places her, to my mind, above most other women. She is aware, and she is engaging with us. I give her tons of credit for doing that.

    I don’t blame Ava for wanting her Leonidas. Maybe she can appreciate that unlike him, most of us were never thrown into the (literal) wolf’s den as a method of child development.

    Reading through all of these comments, I see versions of my own psyche as I tread the path from initial raw, rabid anger to eventual (partial:) acceptance. The guy who lamented “beer guts and ball games” and boring jobs are all there is for the modern male? Been there. The one with the hairtrigger “shaming” detector? Been him too. The serial Roissy reader? Yep.

    Keep in mind that most here are on an intellectual, spiritual journey. Swallowing the red pill isn’t easy for anyone, man or woman. And matters of sex always seem to hit closest to home, since it affects every one of us so personally. Talking about it, even yelling at each other a little, is for the greater good, I think.

  22. uh
    Posted July 9, 2012 at 6:56 pm | Permalink

    Seriously Greg — this is a pile of shameless tripe you’ve let this woman dish out to men who SUPPORT YOU.

    Here’s this woman we don’t know telling us we’re beneath her, essentially. Points to a movie from fifteen years ago about suits being crass in private, then some awful adaptation of a COMIC BOOK about digitally-rendered beefcakes being killed in a battle a long time ago. (Isn’t anyone else tired of this obsession with silly cultural archetypes? am I really the only one? would her perfect white knight have to puff out his chest while going to chop wood, or what? could he simply chop the wood and stack it somewhere, or does he have to pretend he’s on the plain of Marathon or something?)

    Then gives a pithy restatement of core Game values after being roundly denounced for bitching about how Game has ruined her life.

    You two need to come back to planet earth. Real men don’t have time to pretend to be warriors to appease your dime-novel romanticism in racialist garb. They’re busy W O R K I N G.

    Being unemployed, I’ll just play her a sad little tune on the world’s smallest violin …

    That’s all I have to say about this. No, I promise.

    • Greg Johnson
      Posted July 9, 2012 at 7:29 pm | Permalink

      Well don’t click when you see her review of Fifty Shades of Gray.

    • Jaego Scorzne
      Posted July 9, 2012 at 9:05 pm | Permalink

      Yeah I felt that too. Go out and run down some game and kill it with our bare hands? Really? Why? To please her? Is that some kind of shit test too? Like the guy who got a vastectomy to please his fiance and then got dumped when she decided she wanted children after all.

      I mean imagine her crocodile tears when the 400 pound Bull Elk takes out one of your eyes and half your face with its antlers before crushing your ribs with its hooves. She just couldn’t stay with you anymore – you’re not perfect anymore. I mean can we at least use Spears?

  23. WG
    Posted July 9, 2012 at 7:42 pm | Permalink

    This surely must be some kind of joke. I got it the first time. (“Fool me once, shame on you…”).

    Ava strikes a queer note in her writing that makes me believe s/he isn’t entirely sincere, or is simply fooling herself – and us, too.

    Some of us are wise and mature enough not to fall for it.

    The “man up!” routine is old hat. We’ve had too much of it by now. Instead of scolding men (:::yawn:::), “Ava” instead should be explaining to us how she’d be perfectly happy giving up the vote, Sex & The City DVDs, and shopping mall excursions in return for the Patriarchy, or discussing the ways in which she and her sisters will remake themselves into appropriate mates for us.

    Tell us. We’re listening.

    Modern men are not blameless, certainly, but women are also at fault here. Once women refashion themselves into the glittering prizes they are meant by Nature to be with the same determination and energy they once mustered to advance the feminist cause, then men will rise to the occasion.

  24. Posted July 9, 2012 at 8:36 pm | Permalink

    It’s really not a big mystery explaining why there aren’t large numbers of women in radical right-wing politics. Women tend to conform towards perceived societal norms more than men for evolutionary reasons. Since White nationalism isn’t “in fashion,” women will avoid it. Women also tend to be more accepting to the out-group because they evolved mostly dealing with the in-group. Men had to decide which out-groups to trust, or fight, or trade with. Women dealt in inner-tribal affairs which means the people they dealt with were already “accepted.” Woman won’t start joining the pro-White movement until it becomes fashionable.

    With that said I don’t think WNs/pro-Whites should get too hung up on birth rates at this point. White birth rates could increase by 100% but if the anti-White system (1) continues, it won’t matter how many kids we have. The most important thing now is that we smash the anti-White system. Our energies need to be focused on this.

    To smash the anti-White system we need to get on a consistent message. The message that this writer advocates for is found at Bob’s Underground Seminar (BUGS) and is centered around what is known as the “Mantra.” (2) I also recommend creating art that helps spread the message and which motivates other people to do the same (3), (4).

    I hope to see more articles in the future from Miss Moretti.


  25. UFASP
    Posted July 9, 2012 at 10:01 pm | Permalink

    “You want to pick up women?

    1) Be interesting (radiate an original personality, not clownish neon feather boas).

    2) Tease her a little (not demean or objectify).

    3) Don’t tolerate shit (have boundaries).”

    Also, we can’t all agree on what constitutes 1, 2, or 3 these days. I mean, on the surface, I imagine everyone would nod and clap and say they agree with it were you on The View or some daytime talk show. As with all matters, the devil is in the details and specifics. What is not “tolerating shit” exactly? Well, if I ask one guy it’s X; if I ask another guy it’s Y. “Demeaning” and “objectifying” women certainly have different meanings to people. Again, I think women objectify themselves (through Cosmo, the mall, television) FAR more than I could ever imagine doing on my own impetus. I don’t ever recollect wanting to dance to negroes in a hook-up bar, yet I’ve had women insist that that is all a part of “having fun.” So no; unfortunately, it’s not that simple.

  26. daniel
    Posted July 9, 2012 at 10:21 pm | Permalink

    I don’t blame you. From what she says, she is not worth the chivalry she demands. I give her some credit for not dating outside the race, for wanting to have White children, and for being concerned enough to talk to White nationalists and stand the heat.

  27. Vick
    Posted July 9, 2012 at 11:34 pm | Permalink

    White Nationalism won’t be found in this area. “Game” is a variant of “self-help” pop psychological technics as empty essentially as the eyes of a lower-order animal. I realize we need a language to get started with, and a language accessible enough for everyone to understand and with which to participate, but this kind of language can only at best be a start. Sitting up after lying flat on one’s back, at most.

    White Nationalist Men and Women aren’t going to be found in lists of gestures that amount to play-acting. Authentic Traditional life as racially aware beings isn’t going to become clear to us quickly or easily. I have to resist the temptation to fall into line and offer my own cheap one-offs, but I will just say that we are a people bound to our land, always in struggle with the natural world, and finding freedom in that hard work. Whatever the forms of that struggle, that’s where White Nationalist Men and Women will be found. When we can inuit traces of this forgotten, lost authentic life, then we will begin to find the words that will help more of us get there.

  28. Sandy
    Posted July 10, 2012 at 12:39 am | Permalink

    Congratulations Ava on an interesting essay and for raising such a response. I hope you contribute more essays.

    Now that I am 60 and too old to risk having children I would point out that men don’t risk their lives for the betterment of our race but rather our standard of living and with the resultant lower standard of living the women that want a true hero that we can assist and support in his mission in life, simply disappear.

    However, if you and your truly gorgeous and professional high value girlfriends are genuine in your beliefs and want to promote WN then I am sure that Greg would extend an invitation to one of his book signing sessions.

  29. Ava
    Posted July 10, 2012 at 4:53 am | Permalink

    Are we supposed to be knitting waiting for you to come knock on our door (now, that’s delusional)? Is it the level of options that you have a problem with? I go out and come back home alone. What’s wrong with that?

    • Posted July 10, 2012 at 10:58 am | Permalink

      Ava, avoid like the plague any man who self identifies as a White Nationalist. There are some good ones but for the most part they are angry bitter control freaks.

    • Ava
      Posted July 10, 2012 at 11:33 am | Permalink

      “Ava is not necessarily that bad. As Flavia says, perfect is the enemy of good. And Enkeli says it perfectly here, that she (Ava) needs some work, particularly on tact and diplomacy.”

      Enkeli : “I point this out, gently I hope, because the tone and vocabulary of your article is evidence of the need for this work.”

      If I used tact and diplomacy, I don’t think the message would have been read, nor emotions stirred. Guess you could say I’m sacrificing my “feelings” to reach a bigger audience. It’s simply strategy.

      I can’t keep this armor on for long…My next piece won’t be attacking and will bare a small part of my soul.

    • Fourmyle of Ceres
      Posted July 10, 2012 at 2:23 pm | Permalink

      April Gaede in blockquote:

      Ava, avoid like the plague any man who self identifies as a White Nationalist. There are some good ones but for the most part they are angry bitter control freaks.

      Bearing in mind Greg Johnson’s earlier comments on nihilists seeking us as one of their last (best!) hopes, what is the common factor in why the best Idea – White Nationalism – seems, so often, to attract the very worst people?


  30. Jason
    Posted July 10, 2012 at 5:03 am | Permalink

    These comments are really not needed. Pay little attention to them Ava, your insight is appreciated and I hope you stick around.

    Most of these men are frustrated, confused and lonely, and we white men have been on top for so long we ignore our instinct for survival. Only ignorant and confused white men would fill up Football stadiums, but as we start to feel more and more the instinct for survival we will start to understand the world around us and our behavior will begin to change accordingly.

    • Sandy
      Posted July 10, 2012 at 9:22 am | Permalink

      Jason, Ava’s essays are appreciated as are the responses in the comment section.

      I am glad to read that you are on top of things and we white men have been on top for so long. I grew up in the tail end of the era when most white men would work down a dark and dirty coal mine which was given to other white men to shovel into the boilers of locomotives, ships and factories. With the closure of the coal mines the men did indeed return to the top but only to face unemployment and competition from the cheap replacement labour. Sadly, I have more in common with the cheap replacement labour than the white men on top of things. Counter-Currents, to its credit, recognizes these problems and through its varied writers is willing to face the issues and for this reason I will always be here and continue to be one of the many small financial supporters – but it takes many rain drops to make the mighty Mississippi.

  31. Posted July 10, 2012 at 5:56 am | Permalink

    This dialogue ought to have ended with Longfellow. He hit it. We don’t need Ava telling us that water is wet, that many PUAs are stalled in clown school, and that we don’t need feather boas. This was for her benefit, not ours.

    • Ava
      Posted July 10, 2012 at 9:35 am | Permalink

      Longfellow supports “game,” where as I don’t. But yes, I admit I’m enjoying the comments.

      • Posted July 10, 2012 at 10:48 am | Permalink

        Yeah, that simplifies it even further. You’re plain wrong.

        “Pickup artistry” can be attacked, criticized, rejected, whatever.

        “Game” is a term for the dynamics and conditions of mating reality. Someone’s grid of game understanding can be relatively off or on, but game isn’t something you can reject.

        Thanks for another reminder of how obtuse and self-satisfied you are.

      • Ava
        Posted July 10, 2012 at 12:15 pm | Permalink

        Kay. Show me one website/book that promotes “game” but leaves out all the manipulation and degrading techniques to pick up women.

      • Posted July 10, 2012 at 1:37 pm | Permalink

        Obtuse, thy pseudonym is Ava. Game is anything that relates to coupling. So, anything that relates to coupling that agrees with your stated sensibilities re: degradation and manipulation. I assume your article would do, though I wouldn’t recommend it to anyone who doesn’t want to get crushed in MATTERS THAT RELATE TO COUPLING. There, are you happy? I didn’t say “game.”

  32. flavia
    Posted July 10, 2012 at 6:08 am | Permalink

    Good points, but isn’t it better for the race to keep itself “above water”? Isn’t it better for this beautiful, intelligent woman to yield children than to not? We need people, more than anything, especially racially conscious ones. I wouldn’t deter anyone from having kids, unless they were having hybrids.

    Further, I’d like to add…..I don’t think anyone really understands what it is like to be a really beautiful woman unless they have been one themselves. It is almost impossible to not become entitled. People just….give you stuff, treat you as if everything you say is the funniest, most interesting thing anyone has ever heard….perhaps a culture that values other virtues besides beauty would also serve women well and curb this sense of being the most special snowflake in all the world.

    The saddest part is that once beauty fades, all we’re left with is a big fat sense of entitlement, and there’s nothing worse than a chick who thinks she deserves the world….except an old ugly chick who thinks she deserves the world.


  33. Bold Custard
    Posted July 10, 2012 at 9:42 am | Permalink

    Since Ava apparently agrees that women reflect the light of men, not the other way around, we ought to immediately realize the absurdity of an article written by a woman telling men how to shine brighter.

    But, lest we dare hold her accountable for her words, she says in her response to Enkeli: “A lot of this ‘persona’ is just for entertainment value.” I’m too busy to care which parts, and I hope to God the rest of you are too. Asking for more clarification will be a bottomless pit.

    It’s important that we recognize this behavior, so we can become that much more attuned to it and have no illusions as to her motives or ours. (I’ll speak for myself if you prefer.)

    A good indicator of who really has the power is who the women respect: the people who they would never dare lecture on how to treat them. Ava may dramatically long for a Leonidas, but she doesn’t respect him, because she doesn’t have to, because he no longer exists. And there’s a reason for that. As a woman–whose “instinct never fails,” the poet reminds us–deep down she knows she’s already been won by the real Alpha Male himself. (Some shorten this to “The Man.”) Leonidas is not stronger than tasers, feminism, prescription drugs, the IRS, WMDs, and the plutocrats who profit from his wife’s shopping habits. Leonidas is a beta. So what does that make you? Admit it.

    I’m still in my 20s and have been going through stages of naivete, trust, betrayal, misogyny, acceptance, etc. There is a proper time for grief, for bitterness against corrupted, narcissistic American women of the 21st century. I know because I was raised by one, and the co-dependency habit I developed repeated itself in my earlier relationships. The poison becomes your own and it runs deep indeed, and if you had a past like mine you know what I’m talking about and you are afraid to even dare to hope that you can break the cycle when you have your own children.

    But you eventually give up expecting that special lady to account for her words and actions. You work on yourself and learn to carry the burdens you choose to carry. Sometimes it’s reading articles like this one, realizing she doesn’t know what she wants, and learning not to take it personally. It’s really not her fault. Treat it as a study.

    The truth is (and someone correct me if I’m wrong), WOMEN WILL DO WHATEVER THEY WANT, no matter whether they say, as long as they feel comfortable enough to do it. In order to feel that comfort, they need the protection of the biggest, baddest, meanest Alpha male: The Man. As long as he gives them permission, they will do whatever they damn well please. The negative extreme of this is: take advantage, torture, lecture, nag, cheat, and betray. It’s no use wondering why. The simple answer is: Because She Can.

    That said, it sure is encouraging that a woman like Ava is paying attention to you. It proves you have some spice and she likes the flavor.

    If I may quote the poet further:

    “A fool there was and he made his prayer
    (Even as you and I!)
    To a rag and a bone and a hank of hair
    (We called her the woman who did not care),
    But the fool he called her his lady fair
    (Even as you and I!)

    Oh the years we waste and the tears we waste
    And the work of our head and hand,
    Belong to the woman who did not know
    (And now we know that she never could know)
    And did not understand.

    A fool there was and his goods he spent
    (Even as you and I!)
    Honor and faith and a sure intent
    But a fool must follow his natural bent
    (And it wasn’t the least what the lady meant),
    (Even as you and I!)

    Oh the toil we lost and the spoil we lost
    And the excellent things we planned,
    Belong to the woman who didn’t know why
    (And now we know she never knew why)
    And did not understand.

    The fool we stripped to his foolish hide
    (Even as you and I!)
    Which she might have seen when she threw him aside–
    (But it isn’t on record the lady tried)
    So some of him lived but the most of him died–
    (Even as you and I!)

    And it isn’t the shame and it isn’t the blame
    That stings like a white hot brand.

    It’s coming to know that she never knew why
    (Seeing at last she could never know why)
    And never could understand.”

    • Jaego Scorzne
      Posted July 10, 2012 at 10:30 am | Permalink

      Ah, THIS. Who is the Poet/Sage? And kudos to you brother: a man must die many times to attain your understanding.

      • Bold Custard
        Posted July 10, 2012 at 7:44 pm | Permalink

        It’s “The Vampire” by Rudyard Kipling. The other one I referred to is “The Female of the Species”:

        WHEN the Himalayan peasant meets the he-bear in his pride,
        He shouts to scare the monster, who will often turn aside.
        But the she-bear thus accosted rends the peasant tooth and nail.
        For the female of the species is more deadly than the male.

        When Nag the basking cobra hears the careless foot of man,
        He will sometimes wriggle sideways and avoid it if he can.
        But his mate makes no such motion where she camps beside the trail.
        For the female of the species is more deadly than the male.

        When the early Jesuit fathers preached to Hurons and Choctaws,
        They prayed to be delivered from the vengeance of the squaws.
        ‘Twas the women, not the warriors, turned those stark enthusiasts pale.
        For the female of the species is more deadly than the male.

        Man’s timid heart is bursting with the things he must not say,
        For the Woman that God gave him isn’t his to give away;
        But when hunter meets with husbands, each confirms the other’s tale—
        The female of the species is more deadly than the male.

        Man, a bear in most relations—worm and savage otherwise,—
        Man propounds negotiations, Man accepts the compromise.
        Very rarely will he squarely push the logic of a fact
        To its ultimate conclusion in unmitigated act.

        Fear, or foolishness, impels him, ere he lay the wicked low,
        To concede some form of trial even to his fiercest foe.
        Mirth obscene diverts his anger—Doubt and Pity oft perplex
        Him in dealing with an issue—to the scandal of The Sex!

        But the Woman that God gave him, every fibre of her frame
        Proves her launched for one sole issue, armed and engined for the same;
        And to serve that single issue, lest the generations fail,
        The female of the species must be deadlier than the male.

        She who faces Death by torture for each life beneath her breast
        May not deal in doubt or pity—must not swerve for fact or jest.
        These be purely male diversions—not in these her honour dwells—
        She the Other Law we live by, is that Law and nothing else.

        She can bring no more to living than the powers that make her great
        As the Mother of the Infant and the Mistress of the Mate.
        And when Babe and Man are lacking and she strides unclaimed to claim
        Her right as femme (and baron), her equipment is the same.

        She is wedded to convictions—in default of grosser ties;
        Her contentions are her children, Heaven help him who denies!—
        He will meet no suave discussion, but the instant, white-hot, wild,
        Wakened female of the species warring as for spouse and child.

        Unprovoked and awful charges—even so the she-bear fights,
        Speech that drips, corrodes, and poisons—even so the cobra bites,
        Scientific vivisection of one nerve till it is raw
        And the victim writhes in anguish—like the Jesuit with the squaw!

        So it comes that Man, the coward, when he gathers to confer
        With his fellow-braves in council, dare not leave a place for her
        Where, at war with Life and Conscience, he uplifts his erring hands
        To some God of Abstract Justice—which no woman understands.

        And Man knows it! Knows, moreover, that the Woman that God gave him
        Must command but may not govern—shall enthral but not enslave him.
        And She knows, because She warns him, and Her instincts never fail,
        That the Female of Her Species is more deadly than the Male.

      • Fourmyle of Ceres
        Posted July 11, 2012 at 12:34 am | Permalink

        I’d know Kipling anywhere.

        It’s called “The Vampire.”

        Rightfully so, I might add!

    • Fourmyle of Ceres
      Posted July 10, 2012 at 8:33 pm | Permalink

      Bold Custard in blockquote:

      The truth is (and someone correct me if I’m wrong), WOMEN WILL DO WHATEVER THEY WANT, no matter whether they say, as long as they feel comfortable enough to do it. In order to feel that comfort, they need the protection of the biggest, baddest, meanest Alpha male: The Man. As long as he gives them permission, they will do whatever they damn well please.

      Bingo. Full marks. We at, as well as MarkyMark’s and other Manosphere blogs, refer to this as the Rationalization Hamster, which lurks in the minds of ALL women. They simply decide what they want to do, and rationalize why it is right for her to do so.

      I’ve seen horrific examples of women abusing their power through their Alpha Male in his role as a White Knight. I saw girls in high school send these monsters to beat up geeks, just for fun. There are millions of variations on this, which reward feminine duplicity, and the ease with which young (and not so young) men can be pussywhipped into submission.

      This is extended into Adulthood with VAWA, and the “Must Arrest” provisions.

      The negative extreme of this is: take advantage, torture, lecture, nag, cheat, and betray. It’s no use wondering why. The simple answer is: Because She Can.

      THIS is of primary importance. What you are describing is soft bullying, and why do people bully others?


      I speak from experience on this one. The only thing bullies understand is the total certainty of effective retribution. Period. It’s like arguing with a rattlesnake, or, if you’re a frog, a scorpion who wants a ride across the river.

      The Hell with that “turn the other cheek” nonsense, as well.

      When this talk began with Kay Hymowitz of “why won’t young men marry out daughters,” I responded to a woman at the local library:

      “Why won’t our sons marry your daughters? They aren’t worth it. He takes all of the risk, and, they have a child (and he is the father – 10% of the time – at least – he isn’t), she gets to file divorce, and gets the house, the good car, the kids, and he gets to pay for all of it, as well as getting 216 monthly payments out of him – at least.”

      And why do women do that to their husbands?

      Because they can.

      For now.

      Man UP! Listen to Tom Leykis religiously, and let the principles of Leykis 101 be tattooed on the inside of your skull, for easy reference.

    • Ava
      Posted July 11, 2012 at 5:33 pm | Permalink

      Didn’t I just write an article saying what I want? And yes the modern day Leonidas does exist- although they’re few and far between.

      For example:
      He is the legal mind behind the Arizona S.B.1070. A warrior fighting to keep our country white.

      I don’t care what kind of past you’ve had. That’s just an excuse for being bitter towards modern women. Don’t be a pussy-beta and wallow in your misery blaming feminism and your mother for your spiritual demise. Get over it already.

      If you’re too afraid that you won’t break the cycle when you have children, then maybe you should do society a favor and refrain from child-rearing altogether. Men like you are the reason I write essays like this.

    • Ava
      Posted July 11, 2012 at 5:58 pm | Permalink

      “But, lest we dare hold her accountable for her words, she says in her response to Enkeli: “A lot of this ‘persona’ is just for entertainment value.” I’m too busy to care which parts, and I hope to God the rest of you are too. Asking for more clarification will be a bottomless pit.”

      Actually every detail is true (the attitude was turned up few notches) but then again you say you don’t care. If so, why bring it up at all?

  34. Posted July 10, 2012 at 10:56 am | Permalink

    GO and catch a falling star,
    Get with child a mandrake root,
    Tell me where all past years are,
    Or who cleft the devil’s foot,
    Teach me to hear mermaids singing,
    Or to keep off envy’s stinging,
    And find
    What wind
    Serves to advance an honest mind.

    If thou be’st born to strange sights,
    Things invisible to see,
    Ride ten thousand days and nights,
    Till age snow white hairs on thee,
    Thou, when thou return’st, wilt tell me,
    All strange wonders that befell thee,
    And swear,
    No where
    Lives a woman true and fair.

    If thou find’st one, let me know,
    Such a pilgrimage were sweet;
    Yet do not, I would not go,
    Though at next door we might meet,
    Though she were true, when you met her,
    And last, till you write your letter,
    Yet she
    Will be
    False, ere I come, to two, or three.

    John Donne

    • Posted July 10, 2012 at 10:56 am | Permalink

      Obviously you men have been complaining about us women for quite some time…

      • Jaego Scorzne
        Posted July 10, 2012 at 2:06 pm | Permalink

        You shouldn’t have eaten that apple. And once you did, you shouldn’t have tempted us with it to drag us down too.

        None of the Classical Traditions of the West or East view Woman as Man’s equal. Such a notion is pure Kali Yuga stuff. Women voting? Why? Their interests are far better represented by their fathers, brothers, and husbands. And what of the few Superior Women? Let them understand the need and be faithful. Most men wont be voting either, certainly not past the local level. To be fair, I would allow such extraordinary women the right to run for office though – since many will have risked and lost their lives in the Revolution and of course many such Superiors end up with money and influence. They need to feel the System respects their contribution even though it must deny them in a few areas – for the good of all.

        Edgar Steele wanted half of all political offices to be held by women. Frightening – and an example of how even a fine mind can stray very far from commonsense.

      • Posted July 10, 2012 at 4:18 pm | Permalink

        Jaego,,,I posted a poem by John Donne titled Go and Catch a Falling Star. Donne lived from 1572 to 1631. The gist of the poem is that there are no women who are ” true and fair”.

        My point is that men have been complaining about women for a long long time, even back when we didn’t have the right to own property, divorce, or vote. So it makes it hard for this female to think that all the complaints men here have about women are due to modern society though I am quite sure modern society is responsible for quite a bit of the problems men and woman are having today.

        I bet the same men who complained about women in John Donne’s time are the same type of men who complain about women today.

        I agree that women should not vote. If they cannot trust their husbands, fathers, brothers and sons to do the right thing then who can they trust.

      • Bold Custard
        Posted July 10, 2012 at 5:55 pm | Permalink

        Then Zeus who gathers clouds addressed him angrily,
        “You, Iapetos’ Son, knowing cunning more than all,
        with glee you stole the fire and deceived my mind;
        for you will be great sorrow, and for future men.
        As fire’s price I’ll give an evil thing, which all
        shall cherish in their hearts, embracing their own scourge.”

        Thus spoke the sire of gods and men, and laughed aloud.
        He bade Hephaistos, well-renowned, to wet the earth
        with water speedily, to add both human voice
        and strength, to make a face like deathless goddesses’,
        a maiden’s lovely, charming shape; Athena was
        to teach the crafts and weaving on the well-wrought loom;
        and Aphrodite was to bathe her head with grace
        and difficult desire and limb-fatiguing care;
        to add a dog-like, shameless mind and thieving ways
        he charged to Hermes Argeiphontes, to the guide.

        He spoke, and they obeyed Lord Zeus, the Son of Kronos.
        Forthwith from earth the famous Doubly-lame One formed
        a modest maiden’s shape, as Kronos’ Son had planned;
        Bright-eyed Athene then arrayed and girded her;
        The goddess Graces and august Persuasion put
        the golden necklaces upon her skin; and then
        the fair-tressed Hours crowned her head with spring-time flowers;
        Athene draped her frame with every ornament.
        The Argos-slaying guide implanted in her breast
        deceits and wheedling words, the habits of a thief,
        according to loud-thundering Zeus’s plans. And speech
        the herald of the gods put in, and named the maid
        Pandora, since all those who hold Olympian homes
        had given gifts to her, sorrows for hard-working men.

        But when the sire had made the hopeless, towering trap,
        he sent the Argus-slaying, famed swift messenger
        of gods to bring the gift to Epimetheus, who
        forgot Prometheus told him to accept no gift
        from Zeus Olympian, but to send it back in case
        it be, perhaps, some evil thing for mortal men.
        But when he took and kept the scourge, he understood.

  35. Marellus
    Posted July 10, 2012 at 11:22 am | Permalink

    Keep this up, and you leave me no choice but to flirt outrageously with you.

  36. chi-town
    Posted July 10, 2012 at 11:32 am | Permalink

    4) never listen to what a woman says.

    “And don’t make us chase you. By doing that, you’re leading the way to your own pussification thus cementing women in the aggressor role.”

    The clip depicts the Lacedomonian, I presume since I have not actually seen the film in lieu of reading Herodotus, is walking off to his mission while the woman hails him. In other words, the most successful men do not chase anything but their mission so long it has an audience.

    As to the other point about ghetto birth rates. Do keep in mind that a sub culture of parasitism cannot be fully transfered to the host. Those who remain will by the law of selection be better able to keep their resources.

  37. Earnshaw
    Posted July 10, 2012 at 11:51 am | Permalink


    The most impressive part of this article was your response. I am a woman, a product of feminism, poisoned by all of it, unsure if I will ever be able to shake the effect it has had on me, or if ever I will be fully able to embrace a whole change. I have loved and lost as a result of being too proud, fearful of giving into nothing more than a power struggle. Women have a long journey ahead of them, even the few that are committed to adapt. Ava has some valid points, however it is refreshing to read your point of view and understand with courage and perseverance it is something I may accomplish without losing the essence of who I am. I envy your honesty Enkeli.

    • Enkeli
      Posted July 10, 2012 at 12:37 pm | Permalink

      You won’t lose the essence of who you are. You will strengthen it, exponentially. Courage, yes. There is much, much strength to be found in yielding. And make no mistake, I don’t always succeed at it, either. But maybe our granddaughters will.

  38. daniel
    Posted July 10, 2012 at 12:18 pm | Permalink

    April Gaede
    Posted July 10, 2012 at 10:58 am | Permalink

    “Ava, avoid like the plague any man who self identifies as a White Nationalist. There are some good ones but for the most part they are angry bitter control freaks.”

    April, I just finished saying how it is understandable to be bitter with White American women and to get over it – and White Nationalism, the 14 Words, can be instrumental in doing just that, as it prescribes a relative transcendence for our people and women, a religious aspect if you will, transcendent of our bad individuals and the flawed aspects that we all have.

  39. Stronza
    Posted July 10, 2012 at 12:43 pm | Permalink

    The purpose of other people in our lives, as you well know, is not to bring us all ease and happiness but to serve as this sometimes painful, molding and perfecting force, this refining flame without which we would be raw, unfinished, crude and barely human. In the end, once married, the cardinal rule is to worry much less about what a spouse is doing than we worry about our own honor and integrity.”

    From The Thinking Housewife. (F.W.I.W.) Food for thought in any case.

  40. Catiline
    Posted July 10, 2012 at 12:55 pm | Permalink

    “You want to pick up women?

    1) Be interesting (radiate an original personality, not clownish neon feather boas).

    2) Tease her a little (not demean or objectify).

    3) Don’t tolerate shit (have boundaries).”

    Yeah, sorta like this guy:

  41. Grit
    Posted July 10, 2012 at 2:43 pm | Permalink

    Backwards flat bill ballcap
    Faux diamond earrings
    Popped collar
    Shit eating grin

    Thats about all you need. True story. So why is this author upset? She fell for it yet again?

  42. Andrees
    Posted July 10, 2012 at 3:54 pm | Permalink

    I’m not anti-romantic. I think husbands should try and be romantic to keep their wives happy, just like wives should try to keep in shape to keep their husbands happy. The overall description of her ideal man sounds something like a more traditional romance novel hero though, and it’s as silly to expect the average man to act like a romance novel hero as expecting the average woman to look like a supermodel. Some of Ms. Moretti’s criticisms of modern men are valid, but if she has cycled through hundreds without finding anyone who doesn’t disappoint, she’s either selecting for the bad ones or has absurd standards.

    I felt some sympathy for Ms. Moretti’s situation until I read the second to last paragraph, in which she says she’ll take up the nurturing role as soon as a man undergoes a cartoonishly unrealistic feat of strength. That was particularly tasteless.

    • Ava
      Posted July 10, 2012 at 10:43 pm | Permalink

      The comments from the last article I wrote led to my sandwich remark….

      “The narcissist now believes she speaks for all women. The fact is, men need women – but they most certainly do not need her. It’s too late for the author. Focus should be on saving the younger women from turning out like the author did.

      Now go make your father a sandwich.”

  43. daniel
    Posted July 10, 2012 at 6:02 pm | Permalink


    “my Prince, will go out into the wilderness, hunt down the meat, kill it with your own hands (bullets would be cheating), and rip out its heart with your teeth”

    April: “My point is that men have been complaining about women for a long long time… it makes it hard for this female to think that all the complaints men here have about women are due to modern society..I bet the same men who complained about women in John Donne’s time are the same type of men who complain about women today.”

    It would seem that females have been insisting that men risk their lives unnecessarily for a long time, complaining that men weren’t masculine enough until they realized that men so masculine as to be stupid were not worthwhile – it is called nigger, the more monkey-like creature from which we evolved. One wonders if some of the females complaining about men not being masculine enough are the same ones atavistically inclined to be mudsharks.

    • April Gaede
      Posted July 10, 2012 at 9:43 pm | Permalink

      “It would seem that females have been insisting that men risk their lives unnecessarily for a long time, complaining that men weren’t masculine enough ”

      Huh? sorry, I have always gone after the intellectual athletic types so I am not sure where you are coming from with this.

      • daniel
        Posted July 11, 2012 at 9:00 am | Permalink

        More than wanting to take issue with you April, I wanted to steer the conversation away from the feminist notion of laying heavy and unilateral blame on White men; to head off reciprocally escalating diatribe (my favorite term, lately) between the genders in favor of a discussion of joint responsibility. I’m speaking of patterns and mutual responsibility of the genders. The puerile among both genders share blame. Nevertheless, within the more disordered situation of modernity, it would seem logical that females have more capacity, more and happier opportunities to act on poorly conceived ideas than ever, more so than males do. This would be a position that is pandered by Jews, acrimony between the genders would be instigated by them – e.g., ” Whiteness studies.” If nothing else, it is better to hypothesize their blame first, rather than the other White gender as we need each other too badly; and for us to be hostile toward one another is too painful.

        I commend your admiring an intellectual facet in men. I had wanted to take occasion to say that requirements for hypermasculinity (killing an animal with hands, etc) can run contrary to normal White intelligence and ways – rather head in the direction of Negro males. Finally, it is important that White men not be desexed for being critical enough. The capacity to be critical of such predilections (e.g., of puerile White females to over value primitive forms of masculinity) is imperative, not to be confused with mysogyny. I think my antenna began to go up when you denounced White nationalist men as such and recommended that Ava stay away. I don’t doubt that there are plenty of bad, women hating, WN men, but a warning about these kind might suffice; rather than dissuasion of better relations between the genders or discouraging men from taking up the banner – it is the noblest cause of all. Far from being mysogyinistic, our co-evolutionary women are an integral part of our religion.

        Please, lets be on good terms and know who our enemies are.

    • Sandy
      Posted July 10, 2012 at 9:55 pm | Permalink

      I hope I am not taking you out of context but, yikes, It would seem that females have been insisting that men risk their lives. If true we had better buy them a sub to The Occidental Quarterly where they can read Sir Tristram’s wise words, War is no longer on an actual battlefield. Violent conflict is secondary. The real fight is in the mind. A sentiment that would agree with the meta-politics of Counter-Currents.

      • daniel
        Posted July 11, 2012 at 10:11 am | Permalink

        largely agree.

  44. Paul
    Posted July 10, 2012 at 7:49 pm | Permalink

    Oh, Here we go again.

    If I had a dollar for every time I’ve heard ‘there are no good men out there’ which is essentially what this article is about. No mention of any introspection over whether you, Ava are good enough to warrant this magnificent man from the Mills and Boon novels that you desire.

    Let’s look at it from the other side. Do you know how hard it is for a good, conservative man to find an attractive woman that doesn’t prattle endlessly about the virtues of Obama or Oprah Winfrey?

    It’s also very telling that you use Leonidas as your example of a perfect man. Rippling abs, heading off to battle to save his people. Do you realize that you are stuck in a complete fantasy of your own making? Go out and find a decent white man with a decent job and tell him what you expect from him. I’m sure most of them will rise to meet the challenge if you are worthy of it..

    • April Gaede
      Posted July 11, 2012 at 9:01 am | Permalink

      My husband is stoic, strong and kind. Works most of the year in the oil fields to support us, plays ice hockey and skis black diamond runs and is good looking and an intellectual to boot. I know there are good guys out there because he is an example. Don’t give up Ava.
      Leonidas does exist.

      • Jaego Scorzne
        Posted July 11, 2012 at 11:28 am | Permalink

        How does he feel about White Nationalism?

        Btw, thank you for your kindness to David Lane. I remember reading in his prison writing of his pain that no women wrote to the Brothers while Mumia was innundated by White Women wanting to marry him.

      • April Gaede
        Posted July 11, 2012 at 10:47 pm | Permalink

        Mark is as disappointed as I am in the quality of White Nationalists. And, since the vast majority of WNs are men, we are both talking about our concerns over the quality of men who claim to be WNs.

        We have some good friends who are of the same thought and beliefs but we have both been burned so many times now we are becoming very cautious about anyone involved in the movement. Our close friends are cautious as well.

        We both blame the media first for creating the false idea of the Hollywood Nazi and the characterization that we are all about ” hate”. But we also hold fellow WNs to blame for not ostracizing those who are embarrassments to our cause and who reflect badly on us all.

      • April Gaede
        Posted July 11, 2012 at 10:50 pm | Permalink

        BTW, David’s ashes are sitting here in a pyramid on a shelf near my computer.

    • Jaego Scorzne
      Posted July 11, 2012 at 9:40 am | Permalink

      That is rational, but what you are failing to realize is how special Ava and her fabulous girlfriends really are. Hasn’t she made that clear? What you suggest is something for other, lesser women. Ava deserves a Conservative version of Bill Clinton as he was cresting from the state to the federal level. Ava will get all domestic in a gigantic log cabin style White House.

      • daniel
        Posted July 11, 2012 at 2:04 pm | Permalink

        “Jaego Scorzne
        “How does he feel about White Nationalism?

        Btw, thank you for your kindness to David Lane. I remember reading in his prison writing of his pain that no women wrote to the Brothers while Mumia was innundated by White Women wanting to marry him.”

        I had found that poignant as well, Jaego. In fact, reading that from David, and identifying with it, was the moment I put reservations aside and became active in the struggle.


        We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White children. Because the beauty of the White Aryan woman must not perish from the earth.

      • uh
        Posted July 11, 2012 at 3:56 pm | Permalink

        hey daniel,

        i can’t access MR due to surfing on a canadian server, else i’d leave this there.

        if you’re still following this, get in touch. at gmail.

  45. April Gaede
    Posted July 10, 2012 at 9:50 pm | Permalink

    “You seem quite bitter”

    I am not a single woman/man on here complaining about the opposite sex. If you want to point fingers there are plenty of bitter men on this board.

    I am not bitter, I am disappointed. I have the man I want, and thank my lucky stars every day. So I have no reason to be bitter, I am just being honest.

    Taking someone’s general comments on a situation like that and responding with a personal attack is typical of the way the Juden press operates when someone has an opinion they don’t like to hear. You have learned well.

    • Kiitos
      Posted July 11, 2012 at 6:11 pm | Permalink

      Well put.

    • Faustus
      Posted July 12, 2012 at 7:32 am | Permalink

      Personal attack? Hardly.

  46. Fourmyle of Ceres
    Posted July 11, 2012 at 1:07 am | Permalink

    Faustus in blockquote, cites in italics:
    Bearing in mind Greg Johnson’s earlier comments on nihilists seeking us as one of their last (best!) hopes, what is the common factor in why the best Idea – White Nationalism – seems, so often, to attract the very worst people?


    Because WN’sm, like any ‘ism’ is in constant flux, as any true revolutionary construct so defines itself – the basic tenets holding most together, but will always evolve – and is usually picked up by ‘imitation’ Alpha’s.

    If we defined “White Nationalism” as what nationalism was until, say, the Sixties, and the reversion to the (natural) mean is “revolutionary,” then we face what seem to be insurmountable opportunities. If our values have been so dramatically inverted in less than two generations, then we can indeed define the mass media and public education as “Enemy Occupied Fortresses.”

    What is meant by this is, simply, that WN’sm is founded upon the ‘deed’, there can be no argument here, as those who first lived it were fighters/doers – this has had a multifaceted effect upon the relatively young and inexperienced, as there have been few who understood this, and could only nominally pass this on.

    So, assuming you are speaking of Rockwell/Mathews, et. al./Pierce/Covington, as our “fighters/doers” – men of the Deed – then you seem to say “the relatively young and inexperienced (had) few who could (understand) this,” then I see this in a somewhat different light.

    I tie this directly into the gelding of the American Male, who did not have the spiritual foundation to understand it, and accept it, much less “pass this on.” This comes from the devaluation of Men, and the demoralization of the Elders, who faced such overwhelming State-sanctioned rebellion as to go away, and anesthesize their pain with color television and college sports, particularly college football, and then, professional football.

    Hence. the first “Man Caves” were simply spots in front of the color television, where the Men could sit and remind themselves of their youth, when there was a great degree of certainty in the world, and Tradition was still extant.

    With their trees falling in an empty forest, there was no one to carry the Tradition, even as soft and gelded as it had become, on. The exception seems to be places like Marine Corps OCS, and the pagan faiths that have been developing.

    There are many I have known who were True leaders, and not one of them was an ‘alpha’ in the sense that seems to get the most play today – in fact, these leaders were generally ‘betas’, as they enjoyed peace and tranquility, family, and beautiful things – but when things needed to be done, the Alpha, truly, was there. Is this normal psychology? I think it is. The ‘tough-guy’ syndrome is only that, and little can be remarked other than, for the most part, these house of cards will tumble down when it is least expected, and hopefully not too many will be hurt by it.

    This is the “normal psychology,” because it worked for all of human history, and can only be denied until it is called for, again, with Masculine discipline, and a singularly Masculine focus.

    Those who are “acting Alpha” are acting out a superficial version of Alpha, because they have never had authentic Initiation experiences. Give them one of those, and it will be like static electricity forming a lightning bolt.

    • Faustus
      Posted July 12, 2012 at 7:34 am | Permalink

      Not enough time this morning, but will get back to you. Liked your responses.

  47. Earnshaw
    Posted July 11, 2012 at 8:30 am | Permalink



    • Faustus
      Posted July 12, 2012 at 7:24 pm | Permalink

      Thank you.

  48. BasilX
    Posted July 11, 2012 at 8:36 am | Permalink

    In my previous comment I said the men are the major culprit.After some thinking I am not so certain.
    I want to address the question to Ava and to other women.
    Whom would you prefer, a joyful,playful ,smiling always ready to have “fun” person or a a restraint,pensive person who is to some degree detached from the frivolity of life ?Let us assume that both are approximately equal in the physical appearance,age,education and income .

    • April Gaede
      Posted July 12, 2012 at 10:55 am | Permalink

      My husband is very much so the second description. So what does that tell you.

  49. Posted July 11, 2012 at 1:52 pm | Permalink

    What I heard 35 seconds into the 300 clip was Leonidas saying “Yes, dear.”

  50. Stronza
    Posted July 11, 2012 at 3:46 pm | Permalink

    “Yes, all world religions demand sacrifices of the female sex. Yes, they hold up different standards. Because the virtues of a man never affect a woman’s femininity the way a woman’s virtues have command over a man’s masculinity. A virtuous girl forces a young male to be a man rather than a boy. Maybe this is why we have an epidemic of man-boys.”

    from The Thinking Housewife, July 11.

  51. daniel
    Posted July 12, 2012 at 12:02 pm | Permalink

    Its funny, but I once had an idea for a screenplay that I would like to see – a nightmarishly feminist world. The opening scene would have the phrase, “what a woman wants”, uttered, repeated (what a woman wants, what a woman wants) over and over for about the first two minutes…

    Some of you didn’t experience the 70’s, but I did, and ooh was it laid on thick. What it would lead to (and did) was all too obvious as well… it was a long creepy build up reaching a crescendo in about 1973 and playing out onward.

    Feminism is a Jewish exploitation, a Cartesian separation of the genders. The genders are naturally co-evolved for symbiosis; not meant for such institutionalized enmity.

  52. Anon
    Posted July 12, 2012 at 2:12 pm | Permalink

    This one is for Ava, or any other WN woman on this site, as I am after a female perspective.

    Okay, I am British, but reading the article (and through most of the comments), I get the impression that either things are very different in America – or that I am so out of the loop (especially with not being in a big city) that I am doomed to a life of single-dom instead of establishing that wilderness log cabin and getting that stove roaring with fire wood which Ava wrote of.

    There is much talk about “alpha” and “beta” and “game” and “shit tests”, the “football Jocks”, the “players” and how various different aspects of these are good or bad in men, and how we need to be the perfect guy who is capable of ripping up animals with his bare hands or leading off an army against all odds with a smouldering seriousness and unspoken devotion.

    Well, what happens when you are neither, but not a ‘jerk’ or a “bum” either?

    What happened to the quaint ideal of, you know, just meeting somebody who you like and get along with, who you find attractive, who tends to share your ideals and interests, getting together and living happily ever after, no games, no rituals, no silly rigmarole?

    Is that too boring? Should we men really be entertainers and be play relationship games for the sake of it?

    I suppose I am obviously not a “player” if I am asking these questions.

    I am not presently involved in this “game” of going out on the prowl for conquests every night or every weekend. Maybe as a product of modern times, or my age, or both, I couldn’t really give a rats ass about being an “alpha male” and strutting around, as I know I am not one and cannot pretend to be one.

    But neither am I like the boardroom clip.

    Both of them often come over as ‘morons’ to me. The “player” types I often find to be shallow and obnoxious arseholes that are immature on the inside whilst exuding a “manly” exterior image of bravado – whilst the boardroom type clip showed the same kind of shallow bitchy arseholes and attitudes only in a different setting. It was like the pick up merchants you tend to see in nightclubs, only during their day job.

    What about somebody who is just “normal”, honest, kind -yet not a walkover. What about somebody who does not rip animals to bits or spends several hours a day in the gym, or fist fights off 5 men in a bar singlehandedly?

    In fact, what if they hate rowdy bars just as much as they would hate limp-wristed cocktail parties? Somebody who has the principles and devotion of the brooding warrior, but leads an ordinary non too ‘macho’ life?…. The Peter Parker, the Clarke Kent, who may surprise your expectations.

    You know, just a regular hard-working male. No games, no messing around. Just you, and them, and making something together. Traditional roles, traditional values, healthy and stable home life perfect for making a future and future generations.

    What if we are not ‘self made men’ that have built up or own business from scratch?

    What if we are not some towering megalith of testosterone that will command and crush all in his wake, but just a regular male who looks after people, takes up his responsibilities, provides *instead* of sitting around like a teenager discussing how to handle a future Zombie apocalypse – or sitting around in boxer shorts all day playing computer games and supping beer, smoking “joints”or being all immature in other ways, like playing endless relationship “games”?

    Is there any hope at all for “normal” people who do not fit into either box Ava?

    Are we doomed? Please give us some hope! lol.

    We are not all out of a blockbuster film or a romantic novel, nor are we all nerds or “jackasses” or “players” ……so what about people like me?

    We are not all sex-obessesed drones who will “bang” anything in a skirt that shows interest, or
    “bang” somebody after a “game chase” then throw them to the curb for the next conquest – and nor are we all feminised “Metrosexuals” of the sort who spends more time manicuring themselves within an inch of their life with lotions and potions, spending longer in the bathroom than women!

    I notice most of the talk here is about men, but what about what we ‘WN’ men might want in a woman?

    Whilst men are being criticised and condemned for not being perfect…..what about women?

    As a British male, I have a similar unrealistic hope and contempt for dates not living up to expectation.

    This is because I find many “modern” British women to be crude, rude, egotistical, brash, noisy, often drinking more beer than the men, burping, belching, being sick on the pavements at a weekend after too much to drink, foul-mouthed, nagging, feminism obsessed with careers – or into the celebrity nonsense to such a degree they hardly think of or know anything else!

    Either that, or they are docile “2×2’s” or “4×4’s” by the time they are 32, and are potentially looking for the next victim to fleece in order to take care of their previous broods and bad choices.

    What are we supposed to do with that situation by the way? Is it “alpha” to take them all on and ‘step up to the plate’ as man? Or is it “beta” for being ‘put upon’? Where do we stand?

    What about when you get to my age, where it won’t be long before you are at risk of being the “last-ditch” boyfriend, before they hit the 40’s and the “ticking clock” for that single offspring starts. Soon after, they may kick you to the side. They got what they wanted.

    If you think finding a male is difficult, try to imagine how hard it may be for a WN male to find somebody that is “normal” and agreeable too. It is a two-way street in some regards.

    At least you are already aware of our concerns and would share morals, values and interests…..any bitchiness or whatever could be dealt with later!

    In fact, it is good to see a few WN around! This is why I ask your thoughts, as you will see our overall situation and our issues on top of the normal male/female coupling issues.

    So, between a “Four Weddings and a Funeral” Hugh Grant (wet romantic) type and a Spartacus 300 Warrior type that rips limbs from the enemy, is there no middle ground at all?…….

    It seems women might prefer a more old-fashioned or “traditional” male in their lives after all. Great, because many WN men like me might also prefer a more older fashioned and “traditional” female in their lives too.

    However, perhaps these alpha and beta ‘shit test games’ etc for “entertainment value” get in the way?

    How about we just be ourselves a little bit more instead of faking or pretending or putting ourselves through various obstacles for entertainment of catch and chase?

    How about a little bit more “The Waltons” than “Sex In The City”or “Desperate Housewives” and their endless “relationship dramas” and analysing everything to death……

    Any thoughts, Ava? Am I doomed for such thinking? Is this why I am currently on my own? What is the advice for changing my ways?! Do I really have to learn to be somebody I am not and put on a charade in order to live happily ever after?

    I suspect I already know the answer, but I shall wait and see what the verdict is anyway.

    I have also often joked that there should be a WN dating agency in various countries. That would save so much time – and hopefully generate a few new ‘aware’ generations! It would probably get me out a little bit more and making a little more effort, because perhaps a bit like yourself, I am starting to give up, and realising I have too idealistic standards!).

    The “cause” and thinking about our issues has sadly taken over too much of my life when I should probably have been cavorting and “cutting my teeth” on the coal-face of life. I have missed a few good opportunities that have come my way and I now wonder what I am going to do about it.

    I am mid 30’s but feel my own time is running out to find my ideal life and ideal, and I have barely got off the starting blocks with all this “game” stuff.

    Reading about “Alpha Males” and players and jocks, pick up artists, and expectations of being a ruggedly handsome yet intellectual animal ripping beast who is perfect and flawless in their ability to charm and entertain women only makes me more anxious! Like entering a venus fly-trap – or even an Ava fly-trap!

    No wonder I have generally kept away from it, lol. Compared to many, I suppose I am a pretty good catch. Compared to the square-jawed smooth talkers who know how to push all the relationship buttons, I acknowledge I am lagging behind.

    Would I be tossed aside by yourself and your ‘goddesses’ Ava? Are nice guys, the more quiet guys, always destined to lose to more entertaining arseholes?

    • Fourmyle of Ceres
      Posted July 12, 2012 at 5:35 pm | Permalink

      In reply to Anon:

      1. Read a series on this site by F. Roger Devlin called “Sexual Utopia in Power.” Pay particular attention to the third piece, where he discusses the dichotomy between what Civilization needs – solid, reliable Beta males – and the goal of female hypergamy, lots of sex with many, many Alpha Males. Remember, for the most part, women will give up thirty years with a good, solid Man – who they hold in absolute loathing and open contempt – I repeat, absolute loathing and open contempt – for thirty minutes with a Wild Man Alpha Male – think Robert Downey, Jr. as Tony Stark – Genius, Invention, Philanthropist, Billionaire, and Alpha Male of the first order.

      We at have dealt with why so many women are simply superfluous. There was a series in your Daily Mail Online, featuring the women of Cardiff, in all of their drunken, disheveveled, passed-out-in-the-street glory.

      2. Go to

      3. Go to He links to Marky Mark, who has “Christopher from Oregon” posting there and on the Happy Bachelors forum.

      Be the Man you SHOULD be, and then, and only then, will the proper woman enter your life, if this is to be.

      4. In the meanwhile, join up with Tom Leykis and listen to Leykis 101, where Father Himself gives his timeless advice on such issues. As Father Himself, Tom Leykis, Of Blessed Name, says, “Don’t call me if you want to get married. I’ve been married and divorced FOUR times, so what do I know about that? It was only when I realized it wasn’t me, it was what the Institution of Marriage had become, that I woke up, and live the wonderful life I am living now.

      TWO MEN stand between you and the soft desperation of the Beaten Dogs you see and work with every day, TWO MEN stand between you and your Total Pussification – Leykis, and the Man you SHOULD be.

      Man UP, Brother!

      5. Dump that Bitch, and buy a motorcycle!

    • uh
      Posted July 13, 2012 at 4:13 am | Permalink

      With due respect to Formula Cereal, skip the motorcycle, read the Devlin, and never ask a white nationalist woman how you ought to conduct yourself, for as you should have observed from this, they inhabit a cheap romance novel of the mind which excludes healthy average men (substitute “Fabio” or “Edward Cullen” for “Leonidas” and you’ll get the point).

      If your comment was even half-genuine, you sound like a worthy specimen of your race and ought to hold yourself apart. Make money, buy property somewhere in open country, northern Scotland maybe. Be open to naturally chubby girls, who still sometimes make pleasant mates.

      This chap’s worth reading too:

    • Enkeli
      Posted July 13, 2012 at 7:42 am | Permalink

      Since you asked:

      The qualities I value most in a man are a sense of honor, and the courage to stand up for his convictions. And those convictions should include dedication to the preservation of his People and Ways, of traditional values and of correct spiritual principles. I gave myself to my husband because he has those qualities in abundance.

      The rest is all external personality traits/physical characteristics, and those things can be lovely and pleasing gifts- but they are not as important in the end. A man is not a laundry-list of traits to please me or not- a man is to be weighed by his words and deeds and whether they match. And a woman should be weighed on the strength of her character/sprit as well, though her qualities will manifest differently than a man’s. And rightfully so.

      All the labels, the alpha and the beta, are really modern concerns and constructs. Our people once knew their duty and their place and function in society. And a man who did/does his duty-whether as warrior or other- with reverence and dedication was and is and always will be a man of worth, no matter how degraded our culture may have become. To revere these things in a mate is to help restore the importance of honor and duty in our culture.

      A woman who truly has her heart set on a man of worth will be more concerned with his character, and less with personality traits and labels. And a man of worth who is manifesting himself truly in the world will attact such a woman in time. And it is worth waiting for. The rest is just… the rest.

      • daniel
        Posted July 13, 2012 at 11:01 am | Permalink

        Really nice, Enkeli, Thanks

    • Ava
      Posted July 13, 2012 at 12:42 pm | Permalink


      In no way do I think of myself as perfect. If I come off that way then it must have been in jest. I have done/been all of the these things you speak of: “crude, rude, egotistical, brash, noisy, often drinking more beer than the men, burping, belching, being sick on the pavements at a weekend after too much to drink, foul-mouthed, nagging.” Well, sans belching. That’s going too far! The modern woman cannot escape the environment (college for instance) where these unattractive traits flourish. Such is modernity.

      That being said, I’ve kept my “baggage” to a minimum and have been conditioned from birth to be a true blue of sorts. I just can’t seem to find a man of character that matches what I grew up with. Modern men tend to be, as Greg put it, “Over-mothered, under-fathered.” Where for me it was quite the opposite.

      The example of Leonidas is not to show off brawn but inner strength. A man may be built like Arnold Schwarzenegger but if he acts like him (producing a love child) my respect for him goes out the window. If you are weak in brawn, be strong in courage. Like Enkeli states, women of quality would rather date a Peter Parker with nerves of steel than a hunky metrosexual wuss who runs away from conflict. If your size isn’t intimidating to other males, buy a gun. And if you can’t in England? Move to Switzerland.

      We’re looking for men with character and in this day and age it is hard to come by. You can be a 90 pound weakling like Cillian Murphy but if you’re willing to do this when your family is threatened then you’re gold in my book:

      If you want more info on how to meet strong women (being nice is not enough) email Greg and he will put us in contact. Good luck!

  53. Heath
    Posted July 17, 2012 at 7:02 am | Permalink

    Ah, yes the alpha/gamer discussion. As earlier posted if all the men on this site that regard themselves an “alpha” actually are, the alpha to beta ratio would be 95-5.

    Most of the male population falls in between the jerk and bum categories. There is definitely a middle ground. You do not have to be one or the other. It is my understanding that “alphas” that play games and objectify women are also the “men” shouting the loudest about women knowing their place, unable to acknowledge that this type of behavior breeds contempt for men in women.

    Although you were looking for a female prospective, I can only offer you my own experience. It is not inaccurate to believe you can just meet someone you find attractive and share the same ideals without the game play and rigmarole. I am 32 and happily married to an amazing women. While it is not perfect, nothing ever is, we learn from and challenge each other everyday. At one time this very woman walked out of my life because of my inability to abstain from game play. Women like jerks, right? If she thinks other women are fascinated with me, she will only want me more. Sure in some cases it keeps women interested, but I assure you, you do not want women of this caliber. The illusion fades as does the relationship. Young and callow, I watched her walk away. After some time I concluded I did not have to change to keep her, I just had allow myself to be myself. I was not truly that boy with the embarrassing bravado. Some may consider that weak, but it took unabashed courage to be unguarded and vulnerable. In the end I got what I wanted.

    You are not doomed for thinking as you do, or destined to be alone.
    I concur with the above response, you do need to discover the man you should be. You sound unsure.

    This above all; to thine own self be true…

  54. ipsofacto
    Posted July 17, 2012 at 6:23 pm | Permalink

    Children, children. This ‘women in WN’ controversy is stinky with mold by now. Nature made men bigger than women for a very good reason. Fight it and arrive somewhere close to our own time. No woman should ever vote or participate in politics except in the bedroom. But then, who should vote at all but a small aristocracy? Has it ever been different? Hasn’t recent history taught us that small lesson?

    re Greg Johnson i.e. “haters”: Was that a slip or did you know what your fingers were typing?

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