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Miró tapestry destroyed in the World Trade Center
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I wish I had an arresting “what I was doing when the twin towers were hit” story. But the truth is that I had slept through the whole thing. The night before, I had stayed up into the wee hours reading Savitri Devi’s The Lightning and the Sun (I had just found a copy of the unabridged version). I first heard around 3 pm when an Aryan barbarian from Alabama (nobody you would have heard of) called me to ask me what I thought.
“About what?”
“Terrorists hijacked two jetliners and crashed them into the World Trade Center towers, then the towers collapsed.”
“Yeah, sure . . .” I said, as I flipped on the TV (I still had TV then) and saw the second tower collapsing in slow motion. My first thought, I am ashamed to say, was of the huge Miró tapestry I had once seen in one of the lobbies. Then, with horror, I realized I had been there. This could have happened to me! I thought of the terror of the people in the airplanes and the buildings. For the rest of the afternoon, I was glued to the TV.
That evening, I went to the regular Tuesday evening “hate dinner” in Atlanta. Instead of the usual eight or ten people, there were more than twenty. Quite frankly, there was a good deal of gallows humor and Schadenfreude around the table. One person quipped that at least this would get Chandra Levy off the news.
We had all pretty much concluded that the hijackers were Muslims who had targeted us because of the US government’s slavish subservience to Israel and our domestic Jewish community. There was also a consensus that 9/11 was a superb opportunity to awaken our people on the Jewish domination of American foreign policy and the Jewish question in general.
But the public was pretty much already there. Later in the week, Tom Brokaw reported that NBC and Reuters announced that two-thirds of Americans polled believed that we had been attacked because of America’s close ties with Israel. I wondered how (not if, just how) the establishment would spin this.
The answer was soon to come when the New York Times found a “face” to put on a position held by two-thirds of the American public. They went to West Virginia to the “compound” of “neo-Nazi” Dr. William Pierce, leader of the National Alliance, who was of the opinion that 9/11 took place because of Jewish domination of American foreign policy. The Times, in short, sought to marginalize a mainstream position by linking it to a marginal figure.
Don’t get me wrong. I am not blaming Dr. Pierce for anything, certainly not for representing the opinions of two-thirds of the American people. I blame the whole political mainstream for failing to represent us. Apparently every politician and political commentator knows that pandering to the Jewish minority is always more important than pandering to the American majority.
Still, 9/11 was the occasion for my first attempts at open white advocacy under my own name. And I know that I was not alone. I also know many people whose first racial awakening came from 9/11.
We all had high hopes. I was very encouraged when I learned of the arrest of Israeli spies who were filming the attack on the World Trade Center and celebrating. Clearly they had advance knowledge of the attacks and believed them to be “good for the Jews.” Then I heard that a large Israeli spy network had been arrested, including people who had been shadowing the 9/11 hijackers. There was also the story of a text message sent by Odigo, a text-messaging company in Israel, warning of the attack. Carl Cameron began piecing the Israel connection together for FOX.
But then Jewish power intervened. The spies were released and sent home. Cameron’s investigation was quashed and his stories pulled. And the United States went to war. First in Afghanistan, which was at least connected with Al Qaeda, then with Iraq, which was targeted because of Israeli interests, not American interests. It was child’s play, really, for the Jews to lie and manipulate Americans to spill their blood and treasure for the benefit of Israel. Organized Jewry had already brought the United States into World War I and World War II.
I think that the most reasonable account of 9/11 is the following.
Nineteen Muslims armed with box cutters hijacked four airplanes, crashing two of then into the World Trade Center and one into the Pentagon. The fourth crashed in Pennsylvania for reasons unknown.
The government of Israel had been shadowing the hijackers and clearly had advance knowledge of the attacks. Reliable Israeli agents in the US government may also have had advance knowledge. But no attempt was made to warn the American government to stop the attacks. 9/11 was allowed to happen because the Jews needed a new Lusitania, a new Pearl Harbor, as a pretext to bring America into a new war, or wars, in the Middle East on Israel’s behalf. Iraq, Syria, and Iran were at the top of Israel’s hit list. So far, they have had to settle for Iraq. The war in Afghanistan, from a Jewish perspective, was a mere distraction, although it certainly eases the road to war with Iran.
The conclusion and practical implications could not be clearer: Israel is not our friend. American Jews, who if forced to choose between serving US interests or Israeli interests, would overwhelmingly choose Israel, are not our friends either. America’s Jewish community is the reason why US foreign policy is conducted for Israeli not American interests. If America is to prevent another 9/11, we must break the power of American Jewry over our political system. But that will not be possible without addressing Jewish power in the media, the economy, academia, and all realms of culture. Jews need to be excluded from all channels of power and influence in our society. And the only practical way to accomplish that is to expel them as a community from the US. And naturally we should send back our Muslims while we are at it.
On 9/12, some two-thirds of the American public already agreed with part of that message, and they certainly would have been willing to hear more. But White Nationalists did not have the money, the talent, the infrastructure, or the organizational maturity necessary to make our message competitive with the Jewish angle. Our people had the ears to hear, but we could not get our message out.
Ten years later, we are in essentially the same position. Yes, there are new webzines, new publishers, and new podcasts. But there have also been considerable losses. William Pierce died and the National Alliance is a shadow of its former self. National Vanguard has collapsed; its excellent webzine is gone; and Kevin Strom has been essentially silenced. American Renaissance has been pretty much driven out of the conference business. And so forth.
It has been worse than two steps forward, one step back, because that presupposes marching in one direction. The course of our movement, however, more resembles a jitterbug contest or a mosh pit. With a trajectory like that, it is impossible to calculate progress. But overall I am optimistic, because in my experience, the average age of people in our movement is far lower and the average quality is far higher than ten years ago.
As for the 9/11 “conspiracy” theories, I have three thoughts.
First, from a purely pragmatic point of view, the 9/11 account I have outlined above is far superior to any of the more complex theories, because it supports every practical consequence that we want, and it has the added advantages of being based on easily verified facts and being easy to explain.
Second, from a rational point of view, most of the conspiracy theories violate basic principles like Occam’s Razor, namely that the simplest explanation of a given fact is to be preferred. Generally people lead with their strongest arguments, but nothing I have seen makes me want to inquire more deeply. It is laughable, for instance, that people who claim that no planes hit the Pentagon or crashed in Pennsylvania don’t feel a need to explain what really did happen to the airplanes. And as for the claims that the twin towers were brought down by explosives, well doesn’t that seem like overkill? Sure, it looks spectacular on TV. But crashing jetliners into the buildings would have been sufficient to achieve any of the posited motives, from starting a war to totaling the buildings for insurance purposes.
Third, because 9/11 right on its surface is so damaging to Jewish power, and because the official American story (they attacked us because they hate our freedoms) is so absurd, and two out of three Americans knew it, I believe that the enemy felt the need to create a disinformation campaign that would taint even the most cautious and rational critiques of the “official story” with the stench of lunacy. Because the net effect of all the excited talk about disappearing airplanes, controlled demolitions, and false flags manufactured at the highest levels of the US government is that even reasonable alternatives to the official story are dismissed as just more internet conspiracy crankery. Well, maybe that’s what we are supposed to think. Maybe the 9/11 “truth” movement is the real “false flag.”
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Greg,
I greatly respect you and admire your work as a writer, but this “well-balanced” theory is utter hogwash. As I have outlined in a comment on the “Symposium” article page–and with a plethora of undeniable facts–9/11 was the result of a demonic conspiracy by high-ranking Nephilim to make Satan himself manifest in NYC and squash the towers with his bare hands. The proof is in the smoke cloud.
Well as long as you say so Mike.
It would serve us well to remember how America’s bogeymen, Osama Bin Laden and Saddam perceived America:
Osama Bin Laden:
Saddam Hussein:
I honestly think American people are less aware of the extent of Jewish power in this country than any other people in the world. I credit this not only to the media, but to the educational establishment as well. All that nonsense about corporations and wealthy white men ruling America, but not so much as a peep about the Jews.
@ “And the only practical way to accomplish that is to expel them [der Juden!] as a community from the US. And naturally we should send back our Muslims while we are at it.”
Absolutely! This is a fair final solution to both the Jewish and the Muslim problem.
@ “First, from a purely pragmatic point of view, the 9/11 account I have outlined above is far superior to any of the more complex theories.”
Elemental (the Principle of Economy in action, also known as the Principle of Parsimony). This is what I just wrote in the latest entry of my blog:
I am tempted to republish this article in my blog. But there’s a blank gap between the phrase “Maybe this is the real false flag” and “If you enjoyed this piece…”
Chechar,
Here’s my version of Occam’s Razor: ignore people who publish blogs and “online books” under pseudonyms, in favor of credentialed, peer-reviewed, tenured, published academics, such as David Ray Griffin:
“[Occam’s Razor] counts decisively in favor of the demolition hypothesis for Building 7”
“By rejecting the controlled demolition hypothesis, NIST was also violating Occam’s razor, according to which, if there are two explanations that are equally adequate, the simplest one should be chosen. In this case… it would have needed one explanation for the melted steel, another for the inextinguishable fires (after the collapse), another for the unusual particles in the air, another for the particles in the dust that appear to have required extremely high temperature, another for the apparent nanothermite residue in the dust, and still others for the testimonial evidence about explosions. The result would have been an extremely complex hypothesis. But all of these phenomena can be explained by one and the same hypothesis, namely, that explosives, including nonothermite, were used to demolish WTC 7.”
The Mysterious Collapse of World Trade Center 7: Why the Final Official Report About 9/11 Is Unscientific and False
http://tinyurl.com/6xhg5p6
James,
I didn’t publish my online book under a pseudonym but under my real name. Also, I am not here promoting my stuff, but a book published last month that rebuts that “Building 7” claim.
As late as 2008 I believed only in books published by respectable houses and peer-reviewed journals. Then an accident happened. I moved to Spain and the financial crisis kept me out of available jobs. Fortunately I didn’t have to pay any renting for room and board and had a whole sabbatical to do something with my time—with no money to purchase books!
Only thus I discovered the webzines such as the one that Greg edited then, which eventually changed my life.
Presently I only believe in the peer-reviewed process as far as hard sciences are concerned. As to the humanities I lost all faith in the establishment. For instance, you won’t find the books that CC sells here in university bookstores, even though they’re among the most important books that should be available to young readers.
Yes, the official version of the collapse of WTC7 totally violates Occam’s razor. In this case there was an insurance thing involved.
Here is Larry Silverstein’s famous “pull it” slip (the guy’s got a voice from the grave):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WYdAJQV100
And here is some next to surrealist oddity:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltP2t9nq9fI
This is about the NIST-report (sorry for linking to Alex Jones):
http://www.prisonplanet.com/nist-wtc-7-report-shameful-embarrassing-and-completely-flawed.html
@ Here is Larry Silverstein’s famous “pull it” slip
Obviously you have no idea of the context. This has been responded over and over by the skeptics (see e.g., this documentary).
I know it has been responded like that, but not very convincingly.
http://www.ae911truth.org/en/news-section/41-articles/348-previously-molten-iron-spheres-were-in-wtc-dust-reveal-use-of-thermitic-materials.html
http://www.ae911truth.org/en/news-section/41-articles/204-exotic-high-tech-explosives-positively-identified-in-world-trade-center-dust.html
These are *some* of the facts that need to be explained. How do you apply Occam’s Razor to this?
@ “These are *some* of the facts that need to be explained. How do you apply Occam’s Razor to this?”
Easy (ibid with your other comment below).
http://www.ae911truth.org/en/news-section/41-articles/505-ae911truth-faq-6-whats-your-assessment-of-the-directed-energy-weapon-dew-hypothesis.html
These extremely high temperatures are another fact that needs to be explained. How do you apply Occam’s Razor to this?
The cited page concludes:
You raised a good point Greg that crashing jetliners into the buildings would have been sufficient to achieve any of the posited motives, from starting a war to totaling the buildings for insurance purposes. But really! Do you have to keep reminding us that White Nationalists did not have the money, the talent, the infrastructure, or the organizational maturity necessary to make our message competitive with the Jewish angle. Our people had the ears to hear, but we could not get our message out. for I am gradually losing respect for otherwise successful Europeans as I slowly realize that they are nothing but overpaid slaves – in the proper sense – to their alien masters.
“9/11 was allowed to happen because the Jews needed a new Lusitania, a new Pearl Harbor, as a pretext to bring America into a new war, or wars, in the Middle East on Israel’s behalf.”
So you are admitting that the Jews needed a war in the Middle East… and then claim that the Muslims were so kind to deliver the pretext free of charge at their doorstep.
That does not make sense.
The Jews needed a war and made sure they got it.
http://how911wasdone.blogspot.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CP5JfKPoIl4
Did Americans bomb Pearl Harbor?
Did Americans sink the Lusitania?
Indirectly in both cases: indirectly yes!
– If the US government refuses to deliver oil as long as Japan did not abolish it’s entire empire and at the same time position deliberately a fleet in Hawaii preventing Japan to get it’s fromthe Dutch East Indies, that you know in advance that Japan is forced to attack the fleet, even if the GDP of the attacked country is ten times that of the attacker. Roosevlet knew PH was coming and did nothing to stop it. It was his only way to get into war with Germany via the backdoor of Japan. So yes, Roosevelt bombed his own fleet.
– Lusitania. A few years ago it was discovered by British divers that the Lusitania did indeed carry ammunition and thus was a legitimate target for Germany. Since Germans do not have x-ray eyes, we have to assume they had in advance knowledge about it’s cargo. We all know that the US entered WW1 by ‘free choice’ since it was not attacked in any way by Germany. We have to assume that the US was looking for a pretext to enter the war. Just like in the case of Iraq. So yes, ‘America’ outsourced the sinking of the Lusitania to the Germans intentionally.
http://www.barewalls.com/i/c/456212_Enlist-Sinking-Lusitania-Victim.jpg
Please. FDR planned the step-by-step provocation of Japan. USG sent aircraft carriers away from Pearl Harbor and left the obsolete battleships as a target. USG knew location of Japanese fleet and the time attack was planned. USG carefully failed to notify commanders in Hawaii.
USG allowd Lusitania to sail unprotected into a war zone loaded with an enormous cargo of “cheese” from the Dupont Chemical Corporation.
Even if that is all true, it still does not mean that the US government was the sole agent in either event.
“First, from a purely pragmatic point of view, the 9/11 account I have outlined above is far superior to any of the more complex theories, because it supports every practical consequence that we want, and it has the added advantages of being based on easily verified facts and being easy to explain.”
Excellent point. The “Jewish LIHOP” account discredits the government and targets our enemies. Sufficient unto the day.
Just from a personal, theoretical point of view, I do have a few observations on the next two points.
“Second, from a rational point of view, most of the conspiracy theories violate basic principles like Occam’s Razor, namely that the simplest explanation of a given fact is to be preferred.”
Not sure what would count as “simpler” here. People tend to use “Occam’s Razor” or “less complex” to simply mean “what I find plausible” rather than any scientific notion of probability. Chechar, for example. The official story, for example, doesn’t seem very “razored” to me. It’s quite “complex” compared to, say, “Cheney, as the real President, called on his existing Special Team to implement the existing Plan [as seen on the New American Century website]. OK, boys, let’s go!” Seen it in the movies a million times.
By contrast, the entire air command standing down, with no order from Cheney? Steel-framed buildings collapsing solely due to fire [remember, Tower 7 wasn’t hit, and the 9/11 Commission just threw up its hands], which has never happened before or since; three on the same day? The ringleader’s passport surviving said building-collapsing inferno, to waft down undamaged and land at the feet of an FBI agent?
That’s pretty complex, as opposed to Seven Days in May or even Dr. Strangelove. Even as an X-Files plot, it’s laughable. [And speaking of which, how about “crashing jetliners into the buildings would have been sufficient to achieve any of the posited motives, from starting a war to totaling the buildings for insurance purposes” showing up as the pilot episode of the Lone Gunmen series, shown in Feb. 2001, then canceled? ]
On the other hand, the ‘rogue elements in the government’ explanation is much simpler, since it not only requires no leaps of faith or Rube Goldberg mechanisms, but is moreover something that has actually happened in the past, and happens today.
However, you are right, for our purposes J-LIHOP is sufficient for our goals.
“Generally people lead with their strongest arguments, but nothing I have seen makes me want to inquire more deeply. ”
Well, here’s something that makes me go, hmmm; the 9/11 Committee Chairman:
Hamilton: I don’t believe for a minute that we got everything right. We wrote a first draft of history. We wrote it under a lot of time pressure, and we sorted through the evidence as best we could. Now, it would be really rather remarkable if we got everything right. So far, of the things that have been brought up challenging the report, to my knowledge, we have more credibility than the challenger. But I would not for a moment want to suggest that that’s always true, either in the past or in the future. People will be investigating 9/11 for the next hundred years in this country, and they’re going to find out some things that we missed here.
So I don’t automatically reject all the evidence you cite. It may be we missed it, it may be we ignored it when we shouldn’t have – I don’t think we did, but it’s possible.”
Similarly, 9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey said “There are ample reasons to suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our version . . . We didn’t have access . . . .” . He also says that he had long feared that the investigation depended too heavily on the accounts of Al Qaeda detainees who were physically coerced into talking, and that it might take “a permanent 9/11 commission” to end the remaining mysteries of September 11.
Well, so much for “case closed.”
“It is laughable, for instance, that people who claim that no planes hit the Pentagon or crashed in Pennsylvania don’t feel a need to explain what really did happen to the airplanes”
Funny you should mention that; hot off the presses:
“The gem of the book is the seventh chapter, “The Pentagon: A Consensus Approach.” In this very detailed analysis … Griffin argues that the movement should concentrate its Pentagon energies on further strengthening and advocacy of these points of agreement, and avoid dissipating time, energy and trust on a question which has taken up much of these resources in recent years, the question of “what hit the Pentagon?” He shows that this question is unanswerable with the evidence available; only a genuine investigation of the 9/11 attacks will enable it to be answered. ”
So, actually they have felt that need, and Griffin counsels them to abjure it, as only a full scale investigation, like the 9/11 commission but real this time, as Hamilton and Kerry suggested above, would be sufficient.
But these are, as one might say, items of personal beliefs, and no part of any Right strategy. Your J-MIHOP account would be a good place to rally around.
“It is laughable, for instance, that people who claim that no planes hit the Pentagon or crashed in Pennsylvania don’t feel a need to explain what really did happen to the airplanes. ”
There is nothing laughable about that: first, the issue is primarily about whether there were planes (instead of missiles or other kinds of explosives) in Pentagon or Pennsylvania, for which there is no evidence in the material brought forth so far. It is not necessary to have a theory about the missing planes to realize this. Please check yourself.
Second, people who claim this, do not NOT “feel a need to explain” , indeed always point out that they sincerely don’t know what happened to the airplanes. There are theories and clues around, but this is one of the many holes to the puzzle. But there also many holes in the “official” theory that are not being satisfyingly explained.
“And as for the claims that the twin towers were brought down by explosives, well doesn’t that seem like overkill?”
Well, that was exactly the overkill that was necessary. The result is spectacular and unprecedented, and really lingers.
Did America bomb Pearl Harbor? Naw, they just let it happen after maneuvering Japan into attacking us.
Did America sink the Lusitania? Naw, they just loaded it with munitions and refused to print the ads the German Goverment took out in American Papers warning Americans not to travel on the Lusitania.
They are much smarter than you are giving them credit for – they don’t just “do” things if they can get their enemies to do it for them.
The Founding Fathers believed in Conspiracies – they greatly feared the Illuminati Conspiracy that had brought down France and was in danger of infecting American Masonry. I mean it would be hard for the NOT to believe in Conspiracies since they themselves had been Conspirators.
I think that the 9/11 attacks are precisely analogous. 19 Arabs with box cutters were allowed to pull off the greatest terrorist attack in American history. But who let it happen? It was the Israelis and their American Jewish allies. Jews let 9/11 happen and did nothing to warn us so we could stop it, because they deemed it best for their collective interests. Al Qaeda did the attack, because of Jewish domination of America. The Jews let it happen.
7 of the “19” hijackers are still alive, could you please explain this anomalie Greg?
http://www.rense.com/general20/alives.htm
Yes I laughed too and found it all very hilarious, you know, white folks and their silly anxieties about low birth rates and genocide of their own people. I even chuckled at well crafted news-speak aspersions from the government Zionist-Sachs apparatchik who regularly convince us upstart Goyim on how our common sense is a lie. Undoubtedly we have problems here, but I am a problem solver, not a problem dweller. Thus if a man will not allow himself to fail , he won’t or find another way out.
Greg, on one hand I commend your attempt of turning 9/11 into a workable political weapon ( that works with the masses and mainstream propaganda compatibility) against the “Jewish domination of America”. In honesty this is one of the better fables to explain the puppet show to slaves in the cave (our spellbound social acquaintances, family, co-workers). Let’s face it, anything outside of the radio-speak paradigm is entirely indigestible to the non-academic commoner and it is foolish to even attempt to influence these people, who wouldn’t know what to do with the information in any case( let alone discern or disseminate it).
However for sake of truth you are willfully ignoring what facts exist out there. 9/11 was a Mossad/CIA and middle eastern intelligences operation and the evidence is simply overwhelming evidence if you dare to look into it ( more so than the “Hoax of the 20thC”). Sure it means the end of America if it turns out to be true and so the very future existence of America relies that the myth of 9/11 must prevail. For this reason I can see your point to not promote “conspiracy theories”.
Nonetheless, this is where we depart for I cannot except willful ignorance even from one of the most otherwise articulated and exceptional public ambassadors of the Indo-European cause.
@ “The Founding Fathers believed in Conspiracies…”
Jaego, I believe in conspiracies. But real conspiracies: the planned assassination of Lincoln, Nixon’s Watergate, or Reagan’s Iran-Contra affaire.
In real governmental conspiracies the truth always comes up, even the Israeli conspiracy to attack the USS Liberty. “Conspiracy theories” on the other hand strain our credulity: e.g., the claim that the 1947 UFO Roswell incident has been covered up for decades by several administrations since Truman to Obama in spite of the fact that, on many other controversial subjects, the administrations don’t agree with each other. In conspiracy theories no internal witness ever appears, not even as a last confession to his own wife on his deathbed.
Just compare this hypothetical scenario, confessing a grand conspiracy like the 1947 “UFO” incident, with real conspiracies like the confession of General Secord during the Iran-Contra affaire (that scandal caught me when I was living in the States, and watched the Congress hearings on TV, etc.).
The difference between this conspiracy and conspiracy theories is that the latter represent gross violations to the Law of Parsimony from any commonsensical approach to the real world and how it works.
I think Occams razor might work better on issues of Science and Philosophy. When it comes to politics, you’re dealing with people here who are masters of creating appearances. It’s kind of like all those old detective stories, “It was quiet, too quiet.” The official 9/11 story seems too neat. I’m not a “truther” or one obsessed with this, but many permutations are possible: maybe America didn’t do it but let it happen, maybe it was just the Arabs and Israelis but we decided not to waste the crisis and took down Building 7, etc. And of course there’s the fundamental question: how much can America be distinguished from Israel or in other words, how much power in America do the Jews have.
These are all productive questions.
One metapolitical observation.
When we allow Others to determine the words we use, the pictures we see, the sounds we hear, we allow them to shape the agenda so that any choice we choose for us is THEIR choice for us, to one degree or another. Thus, while we argue abut, say, the fine points of Lucy’s Rules Football, Charlie Brown, we are manipulated into accepting Lucy’s Rules in the first place, missing entirely the political issue of effectiveness. Arguing over minutiae keeps us from asking why we can’t be effective, why we, repeatedly choose the ineffectiveness of impotence, and, why we refuse to take the Red Pill.
We have spent decades of time arguing over whether it is better to be Left, or Right, Democratic or Republican, egalitarian or organic aristocrat.
Shouldn’t the operative principle be neither of the false dualities placed before us, but the greater issue of truth, and the quality of truth in decision making?
Shouldn’t the Second Organizing Principle, after the primacy of Race, be transparency, made as widely available as possible?
One of the Cold, Hard Facts of Life we avoid facing is this: Once people learn they can lie to you, and get away with it, they will continue to do so, as long as the benefits – the use of your Life – outweigh the costs – retaliation, of some form or another.
My perspective might be this:
If they are not telling you The Truth, The Whole Truth, and NOTHING But The Truth, they are lying to you, and therefore not to be trusted.
The question of “trusting” them at all is then a matter of degree, and not direction.
Whatever you wish to say about 911, note that the entire “911 Truth Movement” seems devoted to proving many errors, omissions, and evasions in the Official Story, providing one and all with a wall of data that contradicts, to one degree or another, the Official Version. Remarkably, they seem like detectives who discover a murdered body in a room, discussing in great detail everything about the murder EXCEPT WHO PULLED THE TRIGGER, and what they had to gain from it. Thus, the murder is still out there, with the detectives, both State-sanctioned and others, avoiding the real object lessons to be learned here.
Assuming all we say is so, then what?
The logical implications for this are a Race-based community with resilience as the measure of economic effectiveness, and transparency as an organizing principle of governance.
Harold Covington’s conception of the Northwest Republic seems an ideal Analytical Framework.
Solutions?
Sending money to Counter-Currents regularly seems a good first step in developing effective solutions.
What’s In YOUR Future? Focus Northwest!
Exactly.
911 in 5 minutes here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuC_4mGTs98&feature=player_detailpage
I don’t get why the conspiracy theory a major issue, especially for the people who are regular to sites like this one. Granted, if one’s a political moderate (by modern standards), the fact that our government would do something like this is horrifying, but we already know that our government is hostile to us.
The controlled demolition disinformation has had its intended effect.
It has caused intelligent, skeptical people to waste time and energy debating a hypothesis that has been categorically rejected by just about every expert with advanced training in the relevant fields.
If a peer-reviewed physicist claims, for example, there are anamolous properties in the dust, it’s interesting. But non-physicists are not qualified to judge the credibility of this claim. Only other physicists can do this.
A lay person’s opinion on a claim that requires advanced knowledge of physics means little.
Instead of all this intellectual energy being directed where it belongs, on exposing Jewish motives and foreknowledge, people have wasted time on tangential minutia.
Disinformation and propaganda work.
I’m more or less on the same page with Lew, here. The 9/11 debate is about as important to furthering the cause of White Nationalism as a debate on whether or not blue mixed with yellow is indeed green. Regardless of who was behind the attacks, be it the Mossad, the CIA, Muslims, Satan, Cthulu, Bowser from the Super Mario Brothers, or Dr. Von Doom, the point is that arguing about this issue will get us absolutely nowhere. There will NEVER be a new investigation into the matter; I find it rather stupid that the same people who claim it was the “government” behind 9/11 are the same ones who demand this very same government reopen the case. Yes, because a prosecutor who goes out and commits a crime, then gets acquitted, is going to push for a reopening of the case against himself, right?
Secondly, debating the issue, no matter HOW loaded with facts your arguments are, or how well cited your claims may be, the vast majority of people are going to immediately write you off as a nutcase who probably also believes that President Bush is a reptilian humanoid. You will then destroy any chances of them taking you seriously, and any organization that you are affiliated with will suffer the same. If WNs go out preaching these kinds of conspiracy theories, we can hope to meet next to no success in the coming future. Those of you who were obsessive compulsive enough to read 3,000 + pages about the effect of burning airplane fuel on steel girders: shut your damn mouths if you care about our Cause. I respect you for your patience with all that research, but again, sharing your findings will accomplish very little. I’ve met much more success discussing the role of American foreign policy in prompting the 9/11 attacks than I ever have broaching the government conspiracy factor. In these desperate times, you do what works.
@ “What’s the most parsimonious explanation for the total absence of predictable airplane debris at the Pentagon”
You see? That’s the problem with leaving the “court” to use my recent metaphor:
Had you listened to the “prosecutor” you’d know there is hard evidence of such debris. It makes no sense to ignore en bloc the literature by non-truthers and then continue to make claims that have been already responded (“total absence of predictable airplane debris”) many years ago. In my blog I wrote:
Greg, on this issue, you are all wet.
On the contrary, the troll-fest going on at Majority Rights merely reinforces my conviction that I am right about the controlled demolition and disappearing airplanes crowd. On the other hand, a lot of the people who have posted here have their hearts in the right place, but I think they are being hoodwinked by expert hoaxers seeking to derail any rational discussions into lunacy.
I agree completely that the leaders of Israel and American Jewry bear moral responsibility for what happened. They knew what was happening, and they wanted home movies as a keepsake. They did nothing to stop it. They are our enemies. They have to leave this country, all of them.
But that is a far cry from saying that Israel manufactured the whole thing. It is possible. There have been other Israeli false flags. But to leap from possibility to certitude is illogical and destroys one’s credibility in the minds of rational people. That is what I mean primarily by “excited talk.”
Life is short, and our struggle is long. I am a serious man, and I do not have time for things that do not matter, like arguing about thermite and disappearing airplanes with trolls, hoaxers, and well-meaning dupes. I call “Bullshit,” and I am leaving it at that. The people who have the maturity and self-confidence to do the same, and walk away from this circus, are the kind of people we need to make headway.
Linder has just replied to you at Majority Rights that the WTC was designed to withstand plane attacks. This is so false, but since I promised to myself not posting again in that troll-infested site (I was so furious that I committed elemental grammar mistakes in my comments there) I’ll respond to Linder here.
Years ago, in a TV program, one of the architects of the WTC, a native speaker of Spanish, explained in my mother language the static engineering of the towers. After a lecture with diagrams and technical images of the skeleton of the towers he agreed with the mainstream view that the fires debilitated the steel to the point of causing the collapse from the top.
These truthers at MR fancy themselves as far more experts about the engineering of the towers than those who actually constructed them?
I expect you have all seen this:
http://www.realisten.se/2011/09/12/muslims-arrested-for-preparing-to-commit-acts-of-terrorism-in-gothenburg/
Four muslims were arrested for preparing a terrorist attack on the anniversary of 9/11. But now they are instead suspected of planning to murder, I would guess Lars Vilks, who has been under constant threat since his drawings of the Prophet Muhammed as a dog. The article is in English.
Greg, I am not a troll, and I am a serious man also. My research regarding 911 has convinced me beyond a shadow of a doubt that 911 was a CIA/Mossad operation. Just because I do not agree with you on this issue does not mean that I do not respect your views on other subjects. In fact, I tend to agree with you about ninety per cent of the time. I was disappointed that Dr. Pierce swallowed the lie that the ragheads did 911, but I still respect him as one of the greats in the Movement.
Fine, we can agree to disagree. I think this is largely a distraction from the work at hand.
Greg Johnson in blockquote:
Peter Shank, one of our most astute commentators, noted that all of the analyses and complaints done concerning “The Holocaust” did nothing for our side, in terms of political effectiveness. If anything, quite the contrary.
Just as Movement Past fixated on the lies of “The Holocuast,” long after their point had been proven, so, it seems, Movement Present is focused on what is wrong about the Official Version of the Official Story concerning 911. Yes, we know it was continuously changed to compensate for the total lack of veracity in the First Version.
Let’s address this in terms of practical politics:
“So what?”
We KNOW The Owners lie routinely, and do not really bother to hide it any more
We KNOW the 911 “Truth ” Movement is many good, smart, people, all of whom refuse to answer the one question that matters, “Who pulled the trigger?”
From that, we work our way back to the Question that really matters, “What does this mean for us in terms of the genocide of the white Race, and the best way to solve that problem?”
Arguing over minutiae is well and good, up to a point. Past that point, action, effective activity, must be undertaken, to a specific end.
After most was said and done on the Kennedy Assassination, HBO let Gerry Spence and Vincent Bugliosi run a mock trial, Spence defending Oswald (implicitly laying the foundation for a conspiracy theory), Bugliosi supporting the Oswald as the Lone Gunman hypothesis. Each year, Kennedy Assassination experts hold conferences, and more evidence points againt the Official Version.
Nothing has changed, in spite of all of this.
I am not doing this, which seems to support demoralization. I am saying that, past a certain point, the lily needs no gilding, and it’s time to place all of this aside, for the moment, and move forward with transforming ourselves as the Living Foundation of a Better Nation, a Northwest Republic.
Incidentally, note that, past a certain point, no one converts to the Other Side. If you know enough to support your position, don’t try to change other people.
Incidentally, my practice in these affairs, “The first time they lie to you should be the last time you deal with them,” came from my father’s experiences with duplicity. When the Warren Commission report came out, he sent me to the library for a copy. He opened it, turned to the back, saw the total lack of an index, put it down, looked at me, and said, “Johnson did it, and got away with it. This book just leads you down rabbit holes. The Truth is drawn with clean, straight lines. This book is nothing but rabbit holes, having people run around in circles. Johnson did it. That’s that.”
He never gave the Kennedy Assassination a second thought. He knew enough to make an irrevocable decision, and not waste time on the fine points.
The question is, Charlie Brown, knowing Lucy is pulling the football from you AGAIN – do you keep playing The Game – Lucy’s Rules Football – or do you focus on something much greater than yourself, transforming your life in the fulfillment of a greater Destiny?
Incidentally, tying this back to Peter Shank’s most astute observation, note that not one person contending for the Presidency has mentioned any doubts about 911 in the Presidential Debates so far. All they are trying to do is be effective. We should learn from this.
What’s In YOUR Future? Focus Northwest!
FC, Has it ever occurred to you that all of these claims are BS? I mean, after David Irving’s intellectual odyssey he seems to have revised his own revisionist stance on the genocide of der Juden. We now got Irmin Vinson, whose articles have been published in this site. We don’t need denialism anymore. Not even that of brilliant minds like Pierce’s. Vinson’s logic is indeed flawless. The same with 9/11 and JFK. I don’t claim having researched any of these subjects, but I fully agree with Matt Parrott that clinging to all of these fringe theories is detrimental to our cause.
Take a look at my latest entry: a long, in-dept analysis on regressive modes of thinking that purports to explain why so many white nationalists believe their “Truth”.
Chechar in blockquote, cited in italics:
Just as Movement Past fixated on the lies of “The Holocaust,” long after their point had been proven, so, it seems, Movement Present is focused on what is wrong about the Official Version of the Official Story concerning 911.
No, I don’t think these claims are “BS.” There is enough substance to them to give them great credence. If they aren’t the whole truth, there’s enough truth there to give rise to greater inquiry. My point was, if you don’t get the whole truth up front, you must what is being kept from you, and why?
There is enough credibility to support conspiracy theories on any topic you cited. Pearl Harbor? Read the ONI officer’s memo on how to force Japan to attack the US Fleet at Pearl Harbor, or ask yourself why one article of correspondence – I think it was 24 nov 41 – from Churchill to Roosevelt is classified TO THIS DAY. Kennedy Assassination? While Bugliosi was doing his latest book tour on that topic, the news came out that neutron activated analysis supported the hypothesis that fragments from TWO different bullets were used on Kennedy. 911? The list is endless. Note that all of the 911 “Truth” proponents never discuss WHO pulled the trigger. Think that might matter? Think it is a coincidence that a wall of 911 “Truth” analysis came forward, all of it pointing to the one question that matters, “Who pulled the trigger?”
My point is, once you know enough to have a firm opinion, you then have choices to make. You can chase down the rabbit hole, which is fine, or you can taking this information and transform it into usable knowledge.
The idea that a group intentionally manipulated several organizations – NORAD, the New York based news channels, FAA, the list goes on – bespeaks a high degree of organization, compartmentalization, coordination, and sheer power. Any single component can have you say, “So what? Mistakes were made.” Put together the pieces, and a tapestry of singular design reveals itself. What elements do all of the elements of the tapestry have in common? WHO pulled the trigger?
Federal law defines “conspiracy” as two or more people working in concert to fulfill a common purpose. All of the examples I”ve cited meet that standard.
Yet, this is a lot of time and energy that could be more profitable spent – MUCH more profitably spent – defining and implementing the choices to be made as a Citizen of the Northwest Republic.
Bluntly, most people can’t handle The Truth. That’s why they take their Blue Pills of television, overeating, tranquilizers, and the NFL Channel. They can’t IMAGINE a better world, they can only, at best, DREAM of a better world. That is the choice presented to them, and that is the choice they have made.
Britain’s Channel 4 ran a show with Derren Brown called “The Heist.” It was absolutely breathtaking to see how easily he manipulated ordinary, everyday people into doing a criminal act, stealing 100,000 pounds from a bank armored car guard at gunpoint. Brown has done more such pieces, notably involving some advertising executives. I am stunned at how easy it was to manipulate people.
That is the deeper issue about 911, and why a Racial Homeland, a Northwest Republic, is of such critical importance to our future, and the future of our Posterity, the Race.
911 was meant to control and manipulate us, as a masterful piece of theater. Above all, it has been used to DEMORALIZE us, forcing us to accept the false duality placed before us, and forcing us to ratify the choices that have already been made for us.
It’s like the old movie, “War Games,” where the computer played a game called “Global Thermonuclear War.”The only way to “win” the Game was not to play. You then have the freedom to make a much better Game, play a much better Game, and make a much better world.
My Game is called “Northwest Republic.” It’s the only Game that can be played as part of what Wells called an “Open Conspiracy.” It’s also the only Game that has as its sole purpose the Creation of whatever it takes to insure that our Posterity lives in a land where none may make afraid, today, and THEIR Posterity will one day walk “Among The Stars.” (HT: Kevin Alfred Strom)
“Northwest Republic.” It’s the only Game I’m playing, and it’s the only Game worth playing. I’m teaching my Nephews how to play this Game every night, as they read to me from the Northwest Novels. As I tell them, “Whether or not I succeed does not really matter. It’s whether YOU succeed that really matters. If you succeed, than I will have succeeded.”
What’s In YOUR Future? Focus Northwest!
@ “Bluntly, most people can’t handle The Truth. That’s why they take their Blue Pills of television, overeating, tranquilizers, and the NFL Channel.”
But I took the red one: I don’t own a TV set since 1994 and I don’t read the newspapers any more…
As to “holocaust” denialism, Pearl Harbor, the latest claim on JFK by conspiracy buffs, 9/11, etc., cf. what I said to Son of Wotan below about CSICOP-like specialists. You need a skeptical specialist on each one of these fields to keep researching on every coming journal and newsletter—most of them coming from what I’d call the fringe—to be able to rebut them point by point, throughout the decades, whenever they advance more and more claims.
I did my homework, FC, but not in those topics—the Shroud, parapsychology, etc.—and gave up all further research after I made up my mind: those are pseudo-sciences chasing after a mirage. I agree with Greg Johnson’s approach, “Life is short, and our struggle is long. I am a serious man, and I do not have time for things that do not matter, like arguing about thermite and disappearing airplanes with trolls, hoaxers, and well-meaning dupes. I call ‘Bullshit,’ and I am leaving it at that.” And I still believe that, unlike me and the CSICOP skeptical specialists (who study the literature coming from the other side), “truthers” and denialists do the exact opposite: they always leave the court whenever the prosecutor dares to talk.
Let me explain my metaphor.
Have you really researched mainstream historical literature on the so-called “holocaust” (yes: a nasty word). Have you read the Warren Report, or the book on 9/11 by the editors of Popular Mechanics? Truthers, denialists and believers of JFK conspiracies only regurgitate what the attorney said without ever listening directly to what the prosecutor says. Of course, they are no jurors. Real jurors listen to both sides. In our crazy society, there are hundreds of books promoting conspiracy theories like the 1947 UFO “landing” or JFK for just a handful of skeptical books debunking the claims. No person has the right to call him or herself rational if s/he ignores in toto the voice of the other side.
For years, I devoured the literature from those who believe in the existence of extra-sensory perception and psycho-kinesis. My stuff was published in the oldest parapsychological periodical, the Journal of the Society for Psychical Research (founded in 1882). Only after a 1989 CSICOP conference in Mexico City I discovered… the other side! Unlike other parapsychology buffs, I embarked on no less than five years to “balance” my previous indoctrination. Finally, in 1995 I realized I had been duped by the paranormalists, and became an apostate.
If you have spent, say, six months in reading “holocaust” denialism, truthism, JFK conspiracism, etc., would you be willing to spend the equal time to read those who oppose these theories (directly I mean: not parroting what the attorney tells you about the prosecutor)?
After I wasted my youth believing in BS I finally grew up. Now I know that seeing patterns where there is none is a trait of paranoid thinking. That was my point in the chapter I just published in my blog (since it’s too long, see the crux of my POV on truther “paleologism” here and here).
Chechar in blockquote:
My God, we are facing the genocide of the White Race, and keep looking back, ignoring the need to look forward, and Do Something.
Respectfully, we have a lot in common on this one.
I think that choosing NOT to see patterns where they are is a trait of wishful thinking, a type of denial because the implications drive home how helpless the situation has defined you as being; ergo, my Charlie Brown references.
I won’t argue with anyone on any of these issues. I know enough to know that the whole story has been kept from us, and This Is Not By Accident. I also know Something must be done to make our world the better Place it could be, and should have been. That Something is Harold Covington’s definition of a Racial Homeland, a Northwest Republic.
I simply know that when anyone has lied to me, whether it is Roosevelt on Pearl Harbor, the Kennedy Assassination, or 911, in all examples we have been lied to by people who do not trust us with The Truth, and The Whole Truth.
My lessons came from the painful simplicity of ruthless intellectual honesty.
One, when they start lying to you, it never gets any better.
Two, you must Do Something about the liar immediately.
Three, the Truth, at any cost, lowers all other costs. In organizations, transparency is vital for the Truth, and effectiveness.
Four, know enough to make a decision. Then, Do Something.
I see this as all the more compelling in defining one of the critical elements of the Northwest Republic, the principle of governmental transparency. This must be installed from the very founding.
To return to what we have in common, I ask all of the conspiracy theorists – and I am one – to define what they would do, what lesson they have learned, and how can it be applied to their lives?
Take one common example. The Obama Birthers engage in this fruitless activity for the same reason Pierces listened to American Dissident Voices; it makes them feel RIGHT. Yet, as I told an Obama Birther I knew, “Suppose everything you say is true. Then what? He was sworn in by the Supreme Court, and he can call on the entire armed forces of the United States of America to back up that decision. Then what? Is there a more fruitful use of your life than this incessantly failed approach to political issues?”
Isn’t all of this an unwillingness to face up to the fact that they have been lied, and yet so seek the validation, the approval, of people who do not care in the least about these issues, that they will do anything to hear them say, “You’re right.”
Can you imagine a better, more productive use of your time?
I can debate all day and all night on Pearl Harbor, where I really do know a few things. I won’t, because a new nation MUST come to fruition as the best solution to the ongoing governmental practice of the genocide of the White Race, and that takes up more of my time.
On the other hand, if all of the people who were so heated in this debate sent some money to counter-currents, each and every month, without fail, we could probably solve the damn conspiracy issues! I’ll take Pearl Harbor!
Hint, hint!
Remember, it’s not that there’s a conspiracy. There’s always a conspiracy. The question is, “What are you doing to do about it?”
Are you prepared to send money to counter-currents, each and every month?
Or are you just going to keep trying to kick Lucy’s Football, Charlie Brown?
What’s In YOUR Future? Focus Northwest!
Chechar, a helpful hint: ‘der Jude’ is singular, ‘die Juden’ is plural.
And “…der Juden” is plural genitive case of “die Juden”. A “Genozid der Juden” however would be a genocide perpetrated by the Jews.
@ “Chechar, a helpful hint: ‘der Jude’ is singular, ‘die Juden’ is plural.”
Thanks! I used to write “die Juden” at TOO when other commenters then started to write “der Juden”. I thought they had it right (now I see they were wrong).
Chechar. with all due respect. if you have not investigated the “fringe theories” regarding JFK or 9/11 how can you pass judgement on those of us who have?
@ Chechar. with all due respect. if you have not investigated the “fringe theories” regarding JFK or 9/11 how can you pass judgement on those of us who have?
In 1994 I did attend a CSICOP conference (when I interchanged handshakes with Carl Sagan by the way) about JFK conspiracy theories, and a couple of years later I read Gerald Posner’s book debunking the JFK conspiracy theories.
But I don’t consider that “research”.
What I consider research is what I did on the Turin Shroud (two years), the “Bélmez Faces” (about one year—see the article on Wikipedia which I wrote), parapsychology (over a decade) and psychiatry (five years of full-time study): which meant subscribing technical journals, reading lots of books, corresponding with the experts in the fields and finally publishing my conclusions (in all of the above cases I concluded these are pseudoscientific fields).
Twenty years ago I subscribed parapsychology journals and believed in the existence of psi. Since the contributors to these journals are usually people with PhDs, you cannot imagine how difficult it is to address the scholarly claims and find holes in the parapsychologists’ methodology. Debunking crank claims demands incredible amounts of research, energy and above all, honesty. This is why I believe that CSICOP’s approach is worth reviewing.
Individual CSICOPers usually focus on single fields of fringe claims. For instance, there are one or two researchers who spend their time researching, say, the pseudoscience known as UFOlogy (when I attended CSICOP conferences they were Phil Klass and Robert Sheaffer). In the case of parapsychology, the skeptical researchers were Ray Hyman and James Alcock, both psychology professors.
The same could be said of conspiracy theories. Posner only wrote a book. But Vincent Bugliosi spent over twenty years of his life researching and debunking the John F. Kennedy conspiracies. Obviously, however smart Bugliosi is, he could not handle, in addition to that field, say, parapsychology—however pseudoscientific it may also be. The same with Klass or Hyman: they are so smart but they couldn’t have handled the JFK theories: they used to focus on either UFOs or psi claims respectively. Sometimes it even takes a single researcher to debunk a single “paranormal” case — e.g., “paranormal imaging” and Joe Nickell take on the Turin Shroud (in my own case, as to the Bélmez Faces, I started believer and ended skeptic).
Noam Chomsky complained about the amount of energy that it would take to debunk 9/11 conspiracy theories. That’s why I defer judgement on Bugliosi and my “intuitive Occamism” as I wrote elsewhere at CC. Although he is a radical anti-Bush leftist, etc., Chomsky simply and wisely dismisses the preposterous claims with no need to research the subject.
I might order a couple of books, the best one by the truthers (my “attorneys” metaphor) and the best one by the debunkers (the “prosecutors”). But again that’s not research. It’s just a quest at the level of a “jury” (listening seriously to both sides). After all the years I spent in CSICOP matters I’m pretty done with these projects.
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