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Greg Johnson, John Morgan, and Frodi reconvene our roundtable to discuss more “normie” questions and objections regarding white identity politics shared by our readers.
- 0:00 Introduction
- 0:08: Donations
- 3:50: “It’s too late to change our minds about non-whites living in our country.”
- Greg Johnson, “Restoring White Homelands”
- 16:04: “Why not admit successful non-white people into our countries?”
- 28:54: “There is no white identity, just different nationalities in Europe.”
- Greg Johnson, “Whiteness”
- 37:04: “Is White Nationalism only for Nordics?”
- Greg Johnson, “Who Are We? Nordics, Aryans, and Whites”
- Greg Johnson, “American Ethnic Identity”
- 58:48: “Which ethnic groups are white enough to be included in white nationalism?”
- 71:50: The upcoming Scandza Forum conference in Oslo, Norway, November 2, 2019
- If you want to Ask Counter-Currents your questions, email them to [email protected]
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According to Frodi, people’s minds are shaped in their teens and early twenties, and after that it doesn’t happen very much, at least not for people in their sixties and seventies.
If that is true the future looks very dark for Sweden, since its young people are the least likely to vote for nationalist parties. In last year’s election only 13% of the age group 18-21 voted for the national populist party the Sweden Democrats, compared to 19% of the age group 65+.
Interestingly enough, the support for the party has increased dramatically among the oldest age group in recent years. ( https://www.svt.se/special/valu2018-valjargrupper )
While the politicians and journalists who are guilty of the mass immigration probably will continue to defend it, most people don’t have any reasons to do so. Many of them discover that they have been betrayed by the political establishment and leave their old parties.
So maybe we don’t need a generation shift to have a paradigm shift, as Frodi suggested. Maybe it’s rather the young people that need to wake up – just as their parents and grandparents.
I think there’s something to this as well. RAMZPAUL recently crunched some numbers and thought the 2020 election looked very iffy for Trump. One reason was that some older Trump voters, who tend to be very patriotic, had died, whereas the trend among younger voters was left-liberal and diminished patriotism. And then there’s the tremendous increase in nonwhite immigration since 2016. I came around in August 2016, after reading about Hillary’s speech denouncing the Alt Right, when I was 59. Thanks, Hills! I immediately went to AmRen and NPI, which she mentioned by name. This discovery changed my life. Every day since then I have been all over the various sites, CC, AmRen, Taki’s Mag, Unz Review, et al, as well as reading books in the movement. In my personal dealings I find older people much more receptive to red pilling–or they already harbor attitudes of white identity or resentment–than younger people who grew up under a regime of school and media propaganda. The older the person, the more he remembers the BEFORE: white America. Of course that’s anecdotal, and percentages matter most.
Here is something hilarious about the left-liberal millennial products of school, media and political propaganda.
All My Loving (Beatles Parody)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enTEvon9pbw&feature=youtu.be
I can not wait for 2020 Presidential Election !
You’re both onto something. I’ve noticed that *most* people tend to become more socially conservative as they age, but for those who are the most socially liberal, they tend to stay that way – and become ageing hippies or cat ladies.
But since there’ll always be a divergence of opinion on social liberalism and economics, we can maximise our effectiveness by encouraging a mix of nationalist groups that are variously capitalist or socialist, and socially conservative or liberal. As long as they further the cause of the organic nation, we should support (or at least, not attack) them. And we should consider how best to appeal to people in their teens and early twenties.
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“In my personal dealings I find older people much more receptive to red pilling–or they already harbor attitudes of white identity or resentment–than younger people who grew up under a regime of school and media propaganda. The older the person, the more he remembers the BEFORE: white America.”
Young people have also grown up with non-whites as neighbors and friends to a much higher degree than older generations, and therefore often see the multi-racial society as something completely natural.
However, the support from young people for national populist parties varies between different countries. In France far more young than old voters support Front/Rassemblement National:
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/france-far-right-youth-voters_n_58f4dea7e4b0bb9638e5394e
So hopefully it isn’t impossible to convert the youth.
Growing up with nonwhite neighbors, classmates, and even family members makes more people racist than antiracist.
Another great episode. The Triumvirate kicked some dumb objections down the stairs and into the street. Some objections are outright fallacies, such as reasoning that borderline cases refute categories: Some individuals are borderline cases of X; hence, there are no Xs. Substitute other vague terms such as ‘fat’ or ‘bald’ for ‘X’ and counterexamples abound against the inference that whites do not exist because of borderline cases of whiteness. And no one does this for ‘black’. Whites are the ones who are blamed for the world’s problems! Deport the obvious nonwhite invaders first, and we’ll deal with the borderline cases later! We know race through observation; we have no problem identifying members of races. Wonderful discussion.
“…Some individuals are borderline cases of X; hence, there are no Xs…”
The best way to refute that fallacy is to ask : “Since there is no sharp boundary between night and day (twilight), does that mean that night and day don’t exist?”
I agree: great example. Clear counterexamples such as this one (argument with same form and obviously invalid) make the point best.
“There is no white identity, just different nationalities in Europe.”
There is a white race in Europe, a common denominator for white identities in most nation states (admittedly, some european nations have been racially compromised already).
The overarching theme is cyclical civilizational development.
We are very close to the flipping point (the end of the old, the beginning of the new).
If you look back to 18th century, beginning of industrial revolution, capitalism, French Revolution, napoleonic wars, Spring of Nations, then we should experience something similar (history does not repeat itself, but it rhymes).
As a matter of fact, we have been already on this path since collapse of communism in 1990s.
The most pressing problem is a prospect for self-inflicted collapse of EU, a supranational structure that arrested economic and political development in european nation states. This is serious as it will affect the common currency and cause bankruptcy of governments/socialism.
What should worry us is a potential for civil war(s) as a result of influx of non-white immigrants, financial and economic collapse similar to 1930’s, and disarray related to EU governance.
Contrary to what some clueless politicians in Europe claim, the good winds are coming from US and Trump as far as his calling for reanimation of NATO, discarding EU as we know it and return to custom unions where they make sense, rebalancing of trade (also between US and Europe), and restoring fully-functioning US-Europe axis.
Well, once again, let me repeat what Europeans have in common – it is history and race. The history should warn us not to repeat the past. The race should be used as a binding factor in an effort to reverse the suicidal policies of compromised elites and to return to white-mostly nation states.
The historical wisdom and race should guide us in building fundaments for the next few-hundreds-years civilizational cycle in Europe and US.
I am not sure why the podcasters are under the impression that Nordicism has any noticeable presence in our current iteration of the dissident right. It is a pretty rare thing nowadays. I don’t exclude the possibility that some old guard figures are of that persuasion, but overall it is quite rare nowadays.
I don’t know if it’s joking or not, but there are a lot of people who say that Meds aren’t white. There are certainly differences between the Northern Europeans and those nations that have long histories of Arab invasion, for example.
As for the high IQ immigrant question, I think the best response is to talk about the brain drain and how it negatively impacts the country of origin. For example if they argue we should allow in high IQ immigrants from developing nations, point out that developing nations need those people the most.
We can cut off any argument for “meritorious immigration” (immigrants with “high IQ”, “work ethic”, “family values”, “Christian religion” etc. , etc.) by stressing that the core of the debate is IDENTITY and not MERIT.
Yes, that is a nice, concise way of putting it.
I am on board with respect to tariffs and cutting off most immigration, and resisting globalists, and continuing as a culturally English dominated nation where whites can enjoy the pursuit of happiness and freedom of association. However, I don’t see how we can have a fully “white” nation because we are too culturally and genetically emeshed with our native Indian, Mexican, and African derived populations. These folks don’t have anywhere else to go. Afros here are already about 20 per cent white. They have been here too long. They are literally family. For them we need to find some accommodation for them to be a part of what is the USA. Maybe the right to live in a homeland within the USA?
I have found Counter-Currents podcast recently and have read a couple of your articles. I would say all your materials are very well researched. Although they are not coming under “popular” side of the views by main stream media funded by the establishment, but putting the political views apart, it’s just mentioning facts. If mentioning facts bothering them, then I really don’t know what we should say. But you guys keep up the very good work. Greetings from London
Here’s my concrete take on who’s White and who ain’t. As a baseline, I don’t find it all that complex. Note: All Europeans are Caucasian but not all Caucasians are European.
The White Nations are the Caucasian native peoples of the European continent: Greece, Italy, San Marino, Andorra, Spain, Portugal, the Mediterranean Islands, Albania, Macedonia, Bulgaria, Serbia, Croatia, Montenegro, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Romania and Moldava, Hungary, Slovenia, Slovakia, Czechia, Poland, Ukraine, Belarus, Russia, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Finland, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Iceland, Switzerland, Austria, Germany, Holland, Lichtenstein, Luxembourg, Belgium, France, Monaco, England, Wales, Scotland, Ireland and their Overseas descendants in North America, Latin America, South Africa, Australia and New Zealand.
I would include the two Caucasian nations on the bridge between Europe and Asia: Georgians and Armenians.
Excluded from the White category are these Caucasians living among Europeans: the Jews, whose national homeland lies in the Levant, and the Romani, expatriate nomads from north India.
I would also exclude Muslims of European extraction, both the centuries-old Islamic groups in the Balkans and any converts to this inherently anti-European religion. While European genetics are necessary to considered White, there are cases where other circumstances make genes alone insufficient.
Whether particular individuals with a mixture of European and non-European blood are White is a separate question.
“Whether particular individuals with a mixture of European and non-European blood are White is a separate question.”
That is a good question and something that Greg could address in a future video maybe?
would it depend on the % of non european?
e.g. someone 95% + ?
I think its great that we have people like nick fuentes and james allsup (both have a small amount of non european ancestry) doing good work within the movement.
Also, CC team, is there a part of this website where one can send ideas/articles/links/questions ?
Amren has a section of their website where you can do this.
Greg, this is pretty interesting considering chinese businesses are always hiring their own kind for cultural and lingual reasons.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-13/optus-removes-online-job-ad-calling-for-anglo-saxon-staff/9653270
maybe you can use it in future content?
i’d like to see more content targeting Australians
So this was a great podcast. The issues with the white race and reproduction rates are so many. First, being a white female of primarily Austrian and Ukrainian decent (grandparents came over to the US from those areas) I grew up with close family ties and with a strong culture (most kids in the US just grow up in front of the TV).
When I got married and had my own child all my family had either moved off far away OR have passed. Other ethnicities stick together to HELP raise children. Raising children alone and isolated is hard. I have one kiddo… I would love to have more but anyone who has kids knows…It seriously takes a village. This is why we are being bred out. We don’t have tribes, our baby boomer parents waited a long time to reproduce…Honestly they are lazy (and sick from stuffing their faces with processed foods) and would prefer to sit in front of the television than help with rearing kids. It’s a mess.
Also, I decided to quit my career to raise my kid and most moms work full time and send their kids off to daycare. So there’s even more isolation.
Why have more kids when you are alone, tired, depressed (so many women suffer PPD, it’s not PPD it’s isolation from their tribes AKA other women and children) AND your husband is working 12+ hours a day to put food on the table?
I know everyone in this movement looks to white women to reproduce. We can’t reproduce when there is literally zero support from families or communities.