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Alabama effectively banned abortion in its state this week. The new law only allows abortions if they are needed to save the life of the mother; incest and rape exceptions are not granted. Doctors who perform the procedure face up to 99 years in jail.
This anti-abortion move follows Georgia passing a heartbeat bill last week. Georgia’s new law outlaws abortions for fetuses where a heartbeat can be detected, which usually occurs six weeks after conception. Ohio passed a similar bill to Georgia’s last month. Republicans in Missouri, Wisconsin, and other states have also advanced anti-abortion legislation.
These measures have caused an uproar among liberals. Some celebrities called for a sex strike to force men into being pro-choice. Hollywood studios may boycott Georgia, a prime destination for filming, over the heartbeat bill. Other industries are also being encouraged to boycott these states until they withdraw their bills. Journalists complained that these bills were crafted and passed by white men, a popular argument that magically turns the other side into evil Nazis. Feminists shriek that these states are making The Handmaid’s Tale a reality, and that women now have no control over their bodies.
All of these laws will be challenged in court and likely overturned. The purpose of these bills is to challenge current abortion laws and potentially eliminate Roe v. Wade. A Supreme Court stacked with conservative justices presents an opportune time to try this stratagem. Whatever happens, these laws clearly escalate the abortion debate. Republicans – in state legislatures, at least – are finally delivering on a policy promise to restrict abortions. It’s rare for Republicans to actually deliver on such a matter, particularly one as controversial as abortion. They’re willing to risk being called women haters and bigoted patriarchs to defend the unborn. It’s a bold move, regardless of your own views. The important question for identitiarians is how we should view this development. Is this a sign that Republicans may finally advance the interests of white America?
Not quite. Abortion, regardless of your personal views, is separate from the identitarian cause. White birth decline is not caused by abortion. If anything, there’s an argument to be made that abortion partially stalls America’s demographic transformation. Non-whites, particularly blacks, have more abortions per capita than whites. Banning abortion won’t reverse white birthrates, and may actually exacerbate our decline.
Pro-lifers have made themselves integral to any Right-wing coalition in America. (That’s not necessarily the case in Europe.) And it’s not because of public opinion. According to a 2018 Pew Forum study, 58 percent of Americans believe abortion should be legal in all or most cases. Only 37 percent say it should be illegal. The numbers have remained relatively the same since 1995. The numbers change, however, when respondents are asked if they are pro-choice or pro-life. According to a 2018 Gallup poll, Americans are evenly split at 48 percent between identifying themselves as either pro-life or pro-choice.
It appears that many of the people who identify as pro-life believe most abortions should be legal but personally oppose the practice. This is a standard position among some moderate Democrats, such as Hillary Clinton’s former running mate Tim Kaine. It creates the impression that abortion is bad, but it shouldn’t be criminalized, like cigarette smoking or alcohol.
The bad news for conservatives is that young people are more likely to call themselves pro-choice. 56 percent of Americans between the ages of 18 and 29 say they are pro-choice. This contradicts the conservative narrative that millennials are the “pro-life generation.” Based on the evidence, millennials may in fact be the pro-choice generation. And a recent survey from the Public Religion Research Institute found that 65 percent of young adults (18-29) believe abortion should be legal in most cases. Only 44 percent say it offends their personal values.
Deep red states also boast surprising figures on abortion. The majority of adults in Montana, Nebraska, and Oklahoma believe abortion should be legal. The only states where strong majorities believe it should be illegal are in the South.
Abortion is also not that important issue to voters. In 2016, it ranked second to last in issue importance among voters, just slightly above the treatment of LGBT individuals. Polling also shows that it’s a more important issue for Democrats than it is for Republicans. The voters turning out on Election Day because of abortion are more likely to be pro-choice than pro-life.
If the majority of Americans want abortion laws to be left roughly the same, then why are Republicans so insistent on restricting it? The answer lies in the power of the pro-life movement. Pro-lifers have made every Republican and conservative stand against abortion due to their impressive institutional power and influence over Evangelical voters.
Abortion has become the primary issue among social conservatives after the legalization of gay marriage. But Evangelicals weren’t always pro-life. The Southern Baptist Convention issued a declaration in 1971 that justified abortion in cases of “rape, incest, clear evidence of fetal deformity, and carefully ascertained evidence of the likelihood of damage to the emotional, mental, and physical health of the mother.” It was the Religious Right that made opposition to abortion a cornerstone of their ideology, and Evangelicals followed suit as the movement gained power. It should be noted that the Religious Right did not form in opposition to Roe v. Wade, as its adherents claim. It actually took shape in opposition to school integration, a curious fact considering the current arguments against abortion.
The Evangelical embrace of the pro-life movement has been instrumental to its success. They provide the lion’s share of voters for the movement. Pro-life Evangelicals will volunteer to campaign for pro-life candidates, and many Evangelical groups make abortion their number one issue. Catholics were the first ones to fight against abortion, but the pro-life movement would be much smaller and less influential without Evangelicals. White ethnic Catholics made the GOP more pro-life when they started voting Republican, but they are actually less opposed to abortion than Evangelicals. The majority of Catholics actually believe most abortions should be legal.
The Catholic conservatives and Evangelicals putting aside their differences to focus on this one issue has had a major impact on American political life. The March for Life draws tens of thousands every year due to this coalition.
The pro-life movement has made it impossible to be a pro-choice Republican or conservative commentator. Donald Trump learned this in the Republican primary when he ditched his old pro-choice position in favor of being unequivocally pro-life. He was attacked by his rivals and the Never Trumpers for his past position, and it was argued that this was one of the main reasons Republicans shouldn’t vote for him. Every other Republican presidential candidate was also pro-life.
2016 was quite the contrast from 1996, when then-Republican presidential nominee Bob Dole pushed a platform resolution that called for “tolerance” on abortion. There is no more debate on the topic – especially not within the conservative movement.
Conservative commentator Tomi Lahren received immense backlash from conservative pundits and her then-employer Glenn Beck when she announced that she was pro-choice in 2017. She was derided as a false conservative who didn’t believe in the core principle of the movement. Lahren was fired from her job at Beck’s The Blaze over the matter, in spite of her being one of its most popular hosts. The conservative movement is willing to accept numerous other deviations from orthodoxy; support for abortion is not one of them.
Even as conservatives and Republicans have shed other tenets of social conservatism, opposition to abortion remains as firm as ever. Unlike in the case of gay marriage, pro-life advocates are able to appeal to the progressive zeitgeist in their arguments. Common arguments claim abortion amounts to eugenics, was championed by racists, unfairly targets non-whites and the disabled, and violates the idea that all life is equal.
Black conservative Candace Owens tweeted a good representation of pro-life arguments this week:
62% of abortions in Alabama are performed on black women. Black women are only 7% of the population but account for over 40% of ALL abortions performed in America. Due to abortion, black population growth has stagnated. Planned Parenthood is voluntary genocide for black America.
That sounds like a more deranged version of Black Lives Matter rhetoric.
Pro-life arguments do not challenge the liberal spirit. They merely seek legitimization from liberal orthodoxy. Anti-abortion elements that assault liberal sensibilities are jettisoned. The Alabama law, for instance, absolves women seeking abortions from criminal punishment. This is the same law that mandates lengthy jail sentences for abortionists and assumes abortion is murder. For some reason, the woman is completely innocent, even though she, of her own free will, asks someone to terminate her pregnancy. That would be akin to not punishing the person who hired a hitman to kill someone. If the women seeking abortions were also punished, it would be more logical. It would also be more offensive to liberals and conservative white knights.
Abortion will be a dominant issue in 2020. Democrats have advanced their own pro-choice legislation that allows for an abortion to occur when a fetus is viable. Republicans have responded in kind with heartbeat bills and the Alabama law. Most Americans consider abortion distasteful, but feel it should still be legal. “Safe, legal and rare,” as Bill Clinton used to say, is the popular position. Yet both sides want to overthrow that dictum.
Republicans may come out the losers if Democrats successfully convince women that stodgy white men want to control their bodies. Even though pro-life advocates try their best to appeal to the ruling liberal spirit, their position cannot satisfy our age’s radical individualism. “My body, my choice” triumphs over the fetus’ rights.
Identitarians are best served by not having a set position in this debate. Pro-choicers are allied with the worst elements of the Left and exhibit vile tendencies, while pro-lifers outside of Washington, DC are typically upstanding Middle Americans. It would be easy to take sides based on who’s fighting over the issue, but it must be remembered that this isn’t our fight.
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No healthy White fetus should be aborted.
Every White country has a negative birthrate. If a woman does not want to care for the child herself, she can put it up for adoption; there are more than enough childless couples who would be delighted to raise it as their own.
Agreed Comrade!
Strength and honor!
There is this christcuck self- proclaimed white nationalist youtuber Lacy Lynn. Saw her argue on twitter that “women should not abort her rapist’s child” and that “she would keep his child if she ever got raped”, and “her husband should choose the rapist’s child over her if there would be any medical issues.”
If this doesn’t show how mentallty deranged christians are and why we should drop them, I don’t know what would.
Imagine argue for a bill that forces you to have your brother’s/father’s/uncle’s child, just lol.
I’d pay every pregnant shaniqua a stipend to get an abortion. And pay white women a bounty for each pregnancy and successful birth.
Wouldn’t it be easier to just pay them to get sterilized? With their high time preference all you would have to do is wave ten grand cash in front of them and most Sha Nay Nay’s would take the money.
I’m going to mention something. A Jewish girl of my social and professional circle supports abortion rights in the abstract but does not think it right for Jewish women to abort. So there you are Goys. The standard!
Maybe it’s not our fight, but, boy, it sure is fun watching the libs & leftists lose their shit, like they did when Trump got elected. (Not defending Trump, never like him, but I sure loved the scene the next day.)
You are right – it is unjust that the woman who had the abortion does not get punished. If it’s going to be illegal, let all parties suffer the consequences of breaking the law. I have been following the antiabortion/prolife crusade for some time and it makes me sick how the prolifers (mostly Christians & Catholics) suck up to women trying to get abortions. “We love you! Jesus loves you! We’ll take care of you! There’s 2 victims here!” Barf.
“White birth decline is not caused by abortion. If anything, there’s an argument to be made that abortion partially stalls America’s demographic transformation. Non-whites, particularly blacks, have more abortions per capita than whites. Banning abortion won’t reverse white birthrates, and may actually exacerbate our decline” – I am pro-life, and I despise the pro-abortion element in our country. Only a sick and wicked nation murders its babies, its future generation, and its most innocent members. Even more wicked is the current trend of AFTER-birth abortions.
STILL, in spite of my words above, there can be no denying that America’s acceptance of abortion for any and all reasons has helped in a sense the ‘culling of the herd’ of Blacks whom we all know would turn out to be nothing more than criminal thugs. When Blacks and Browns choose to murder their own babies for whatever reason, I know that it ultimately keeps down the number of welfare dependents, including one less street thug, one less murderer, one less ghetto rapper, one less cholo, and one less antagonist of my people.
I pray that if American Whites ever get their own ethnostate, that we will never abort their babies and, if so, only under very rare circumstances as a last and only option. A sane White nation doesn’t snuff out the life of its most precious and innocent members.
Why do Jews and our enemies more generally love abortion so much then?
So what of it? Does that mean we all have to sound like psychotic evangelist and be totally against abortions because the chosenites are for it?
If Jews like Soda Water does that mean we should all stop drink it? We really don’t have an overpopulation problem. We have a brown and black problem. Let us be honest about it with the mindset of radical aristocratism and some good old social Darwinism.
Stop whining and honor Mother Nature and the animal kingdom. Its an Aryan thing.Its what we do.
“I could never find two people who are perfectly equal: one will always be more valuable than the other. And many people, as a matter of fact, simply have no value.”
― Pentti Linkola, Can Life Prevail? – A Radical Approach To The Environmental Crisis
A very wise essay. The proper White Identitarian position re abortion is rigorous apathy and neutrality. If we were living in a White racial state, I would oppose most abortions on traditional morality (and anti-feminist) grounds, as well as pro-natalist / demographic warfare ones. But in multiracial USA since the 90s, most abortions are performed on nonwhites. Without Roe (ie, universal legal abortion), America would be even less White today. It would also be even more savage, as abortion almost certainly has an ultimate anti-dysgenic effect. What kind of women end up with unwanted pregnancies? Mostly those with low IQs and impulse control, precisely the types whose reproduction a healthy, future generations-oriented society would minimize.
Of course, fighting abortion does absolutely nothing to help White genetic or political interests. Indeed, one outrageous aspect of what these Alabama Bible thumper idiots have done (assuming their law withstands SCOTUS review – a BIG assumption) is to harm a certain future percentage of White females, those who’ve been raped and impregnated by nonwhite savages. I don’t believe that disallowing abortion in cases in which the unwanted pregnancy was the accidental result of consensual behavior constitutes “reproductive slavery”, but forbidding access to abortion in cases of rape certainly does. I’ve noticed that “liberty” doesn’t seem to be that much of a value among North American New Rightists, but it certainly is among most of the rest of the American Right (conservatives, constitutionalists, and libertarians). How is forcing a female to carry a rapist’s baby to term NOT a massive violation of liberty?!
Beyond these harms to Whites from banning abortion, these GOP pro-life actions also moronically move the focus of political contestation yet further away from the most vital issue we should be arguing about in the mainstream – why mass immigration continues, and shouldn’t – to something even more controversial where, as Hampton points out, “our” side (speaking loosely) has the unpopular position. I may be the last person who still believes this, but I hold that immigration restriction, pitched the correct way (muting WN, but emphasizing jobs competition, wage suppression, and other negatives, like carrying capacity, immigrant welfare abuse, drug cartels, the multicultural disuniting of America), is a massively popular issue, especially among those who lean (or could or should lean) Right. Trump’s failures and pro-alien media propaganda should not be allowed to discredit the political viability of using immigration restrictionism to win votes.
But now in 2020, it’s going to be abortion all over the place (while the alien colonizers just keep coming …).
Trump should say he’s pro-life; throw a few bones to the movement (like reducing public funding for Planned Parenthood, and appointing solid Justices, something he must do anyway) to hold their support; but otherwise do nothing to actually reduce abortions. I think that’s the way a lot of Republicans secretly feel about this issue.
I never knew what to make of the abortion issue. I thought there were good arguments on both sides. But I suspect there is something more to the abortion controversy, and the way it is presented. It is almost as if the issue itself is there to control our minds. More specifically, the minds of female voters. It has a King Solomen element to it. The feminist women versus the ones who love babies. The end result, after all these impassioned debates, is that other issues do not get discussed – such as what dangers white women should really be concerned about. The debate itself is the enemy of white people, and many of the conservative positions that are mainstream seem to distract us from more important matters. Abortion is another issue related to race that never really addresses it. Not like Counter-Currents does.
Some WN and Alt.right people cry like humanist snowflakes when it comes to abortions. They almost are neurotic about it, specially alt.right Jesus loving Christians. The way the express themselves makes it look and sound like they stay sleepless at night just because Latifa, Tanisha or some Rumanian gypsy beggar women abort her sixth or seventh child. When it comes to white quality people then I can understand the criticism, but abortion in general?
Grow a pair you cry babies and be happy every time some burden of society and useless eater (and the goes for degenerate lowlife white people too) walks right in to the abortion clinic. We should all applaud that.
“In the eyes of the believers in quality, however, any Bengal tiger, nay, any healthy cat – any healthy tree; any perfect sample of manifested Life – is worth far more than an ugly, – degenerate human bastard.”
~ Savitri Devi, The Lightning and the Sun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXiMP6CH9iE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCP3b_a2Zoo
With its obsession over abortion, the defence of Israel (no matter the cost) and other not vital issues, the Republican Party lost millions of votes, especially of young women.
If only the RP was intelligent enough to offer a truly patriotic foreign policy (defending american interests without threatening states who didn’t harm the US), a stop on the influx of millions of 3rd worlders which is destroying the environment through massive urban sprawl and cementification, and to compromise on some issues to win blue states…
Whether I am for or against abortion depends on the abortion. I’m pro-white.
Abortion is the perfect loser’s issue. It sucks away all kinds of time, money and effort that could be used to save white people. When white people have homelands and self-determination, then we can worry about abortion.
Today, anti-white leftists would be perfectly happy to dump all their women’s rights rhetoric and turn the low-responsibility non-whites they have flooded into every white country into fast-breed bioweapons of white genocide.
But why would abortion be an issue when we have back our homelands?
It might as well stay legal, it will rarely be used to casually kill off a healthy White baby like today (since it won’t culturally support it like today), and we need abortion to get rid of children we know will be unhealthy…banning abortion, will only force ethical debates and perhaps tribunals when trying to keep the nation healthy by stopping unhealthy kids before born, think of those media circuses that occur when someone should just be put off life support, but because society worships life for the sake of life, its a national issue.
A lot of people called Christians feel strongly about it. An apartheid state will still have a lot of diversity, just not racial diversity (and probably somewhat less ideological diversity, at least wrt the Left).
But to worry about abortion or [non-existent] climate change (ie, even if climate change were real) when our race is headed to extinction is insane, and morally irresponsible. I may like pro-lifers as neighbors, and even, generally, as voters, but I hate them as activists. They are a huge drain on the Right’s limited resources.
The abortion debate is a LUXURY that we can not afford to indulge in.
What difference will it make to US if shannequa and Lourdes and Ihlan abort their children in the year 2150 if we are EXTINCT as a race.
It’s a debate we can and should have once we have our own ethno state.
Fight today’s battles today, or there won’t be a tomorrow.
I was in law school when Roe v. Wade was decided and I read it in the advance sheets. The constitutional argument was pure liberal double talk and I believe Roe should be reversed for that reason. At the time it was decided, 1973, abortion on demand was the law in New York, California and Hawaii. As a practical matter, Roe did not effect abortion in any state in which it was already legal. At that time, California was white majority and was Republican dominated for the most part. Ronald Reagan signed the Therapeutic Abortion ACt in California in 1969 when he was governor. So much for conservative opposition to abortion.
I didn’t know what to make of the abortion issue. I came from a traditional background and most of my family was against it, but I was neutral on the issue. I remember laying awake at night thinking about it and it occurred to me that more liberals would have abortions than conservatives and that the overall effect of abortion would be to reduce liberals by reducing their birth rate, which I regarded as a good thing. Liberal self extermination is how I perceived it. I didn’t think about the racial issue then.
It also occurred to me that every other life form I’d ever heard of fought to save its young, with a few exceptions where offspring were deformed, defective, etc. The only life form I could think of that wanted to kill off its healthy offspring was the liberal. Hmmm…..I concluded that, from a Darwinian perspective, liberals were freaks of nature, committed, as they were, to self extermination.
I didn’t foresee then that liberals would make up for the slaughter of their own offspring by importing low IQ non-whites from the third world in order to win elections they’d otherwise lose because of the voluntary reduction of their own numbers.
I note that black women make up 7% of the population but have 40% o f the abortions in the country. How interesting. It’s almost like the fact that blacks make up 14% of the population but commit 50% of the murders. Black lives may matter to some, but black abortions matter more to me. I think abortion is an important bulwark in the racial competition. Although Roe should be reversed as bad constitutional law, this will not materially change the number of abortions.
America is never going to have a policy:
-abortion allowed for non whites, but restricted for whites.
Therefore, from a white identitarian standpoint, abortion is a non issue, and if anything, you should be in favor of legal abortion. Legal abortion = less non whites (and in particular less blacks). Illegal abortion = more blacks.
Hope you enjoy the black future your oh so moral Republican leaders are preparing for you.
I do wonder at times why the whole debate so much focus on the sentiments, politics og technicalities of the abortion itself, and not about a white society so completely inept at showing enough discipline to render the the whole thing a minor issue. It is as if unwanted pregnancies is an inevitable force of nature and bound to happen just as surely as the sun rise in the east.
Is it?
It has boiled down to only be a re-action debate. How to fix ‘collateral damage’. Why not try to focus on the happy healthy white family showing grown-up behaviour, and allow these undisciplined hedonists as little attention as possible?
A black baby boom means more blacks raised by single mothers, which means more violence a few years later. But most of it is black on black violence, so this is a mixed bag for the black community.
A white baby boom, however small, will buy some precious time after whites officially become a voting minority and before becoming a critical minority, say 20%. When the tipping point occurs and the POC are firmly in charge, the immigration gates will smash open into a flood that will make the current situation look like a ridiculous trickle. The tipping point will be a time when the reality finally sinks in to many normies, but it will also be a time of very fast transition. Waking up to reality may simply not be fast enough to allow a composed reaction, so any help will be welcome.
Game of Thrones. Any predictions?
If Cercei was basically the axis and daenerys is the allies.
Jon falls out with her kind a playing like he has no interest in rule. Tyrion is a disgruntled Stauffenberg, Adenauer collaborating with the allies. There’s a couple of Stark girls around.
Are they going to have a cripple in a wheelchair become president of a Republic? Or let Daeneyrs sit there like Stalin and die in her sleep?
Westeros can still be saved from the Dragon Queen and the hordes of Essos:
1. Dany could be assassinated, either by John Snow, Arya Stark, or the faceless men of Bravos.
2. Bran Stark could warg into Drogon, then use Drogon to kill Dany, the Unsullied, and the Dothraki, before finally plunging Drogon into the sea to drown.
3. Is there is still any wildfire buried under King’s Landing? If so Bronn, as the highest ranking surviving Lannister soldier, probably knows where it is and how to ignite it, and he knows he needs to destroy Dany’s army of Unsullied and Dothraki before he can found a dynasty.
After Dany’s defeat, Westeros will revert into 7 separate kingdoms sharing a common culture, as it was before the Targaryan invasion.
I have never watched the show, and I never will (maybe), but I would like the dragons to lay lots of dragon eggs, and have lots of dragon babies. I don’t believe dragons should have abortions, do the dragons lay more eggs?
“Are they going to have a cripple in a wheelchair become president of a Republic?”
Franklin D. Roosevelt was a cripple in a wheelchair, so, yes, there is a precedent.
“Or let Daeneyrs sit there like Stalin and die in her sleep?”
Stain was poisoned by the jews, so, yes, the jews could poison her.
My girlfriend diligently took her daily pill. And if she had to take an antibiotic which would neutralize the pill she always planned ahead. I suspect minority women are not any more diligent taking their contraceptives than they are with any other aspect of their lives. The minorities will always need the abortion back up more than whites.
Even though white women dont need abortion, few sexually active women are going to agree to men eliminating their “back up” contraception.
the establishment and media are trying to force-meme abortion as the central issue of 2020 elections…that way they can divert attention away from the really important issues like immigration, political correctness, universal healthcare and leftist economics in general…identitarians should just ignore the issue…whatever they want us to focus on is what we should ignore
There are a lot of really goofy comments here. It’s telling that nobody, with perhaps one exception, has any inkling of the sort of moral certitude that would call abortion unequivocally wrong, for whites and blacks alike. We’ve fully assimilated the Jewish poison of moral relativism, and it’s indicative of what the real, fundamental issue with our decline is: spiritual death.
For the Social Darwinist clown: it would be well to consider that your own premises should dictate not an artificial bureaucracy dedicated to making sure every parasite has a medically safe, convenient, and free abortion, but rather the erosion of that apparatus wherever possible. Nature’s red-clawed law would have a much larger role to play if these people had to perform their own procedures or seek out “back alley” practitioners. Even better would be banned abortions and a dismantled welfare state.
Ultimately, the modern world cannot–should not–be saved, and the faster America collapses under the weight of its obligation to support its exploding non-white population the more might be salvaged from the ruins. Savitri Devi was not really a serious thinker, but do you really think she would be advocating for indirectly controlling the American non-white population so that the dwindling white population can continue to be milked to subsidize Jewish Americanism and its export to the world? How about Linkola? How about Nietzsche?
On spiritual death: whatever. It’s not even worth talking about with “extremer than thou” exterminationist larpers. Congratulations on utterly capitulating to the Jews on the question of moral frameworks. That’s right where they want you.
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