Counter-Currents
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Projecting what the future will be like for whites can be a depressing thing. I’m sure we all do it. If things are this way for whites now, then what will ten years down the road look like? Or twenty? Or fifty? Confounding these visions are not only the implacable nature of our enemies but the sheer obliviousness of much of our own kind. The classic example of the frog not realizing that he’s slowly being boiled to death comes to mind. Then there are those fellow whites who gleefully contribute to our ultimate displacement, either through active miscegenation or by cynically placing their selfish interests above having white children. If they are educated, nearly all white people these days deny the reality of race and gender along with most of the things that have made Western civilization great to begin with. As a result, we have passed our cusp of greatness, perhaps as little as forty years ago when we landed men on the Moon, and are now beginning our rapid descent on the other side.
It’s a sad state of affairs, and I keep praying – yes, praying – that one day a critical mass of whites in the West will realize that a crisis is at hand and will take active steps to either achieve victory or to cut our losses. Even if I didn’t have children, I would still worry about the future, but having children makes it all the more poignant and painful to imagine.
I am in middle age. I am married and have a career. My shadow career is this. But I often wonder what I would have been like if I had gone through my late teens in 2019 instead of when I did. What would it be like to intuit racial and sexual truths, but be disallowed to mention them? What would it be like to be surrounded by hostile or indifferent foreigners in my own country, my own neighborhood, and in my schools and sports teams? What would it be like to accrue enemies on all sides just by behaving naturally? I never had to experience much of that growing up; then again, when I was growing up, we all took for granted that Pax Caucasica would last indefinitely.
Now, however, the writing is on the wall – and people get ostracized, punished, and condemned just for reading it.
Something, of course, must be done. I will do what I can for as long as I can from my comfortable perch – and then continue the struggle as best I can if I ever get ripped away from it – but this war will be fought over the course of decades by people much younger than I. I feel terrible about this, because our enemies cannot help themselves. They will not stop. No argument, no law, no ideology, no religion, no constitution will give them pause as they march us from here to the gulag, if we let them. We cannot let them.
Young white people who are inheriting the eroding, corroding jewel of Western civilization face a problem that I didn’t have in my youth. Dealing with this problem can lead to all kinds of mistakes, since young people have very little precedent to follow. And each day, the stakes get higher. Aside from avoiding obvious blunders (drug and alcohol abuse, illegitimacy, law-breaking) and doing what’s obviously good (working hard, staying fit and healthy, respecting yourself and others), I’m sure many young whites are at a loss as to what to do. I don’t have the life experiences you have or will have. Since I will likely be dead or elderly when the currently-cold culture war grows hot, I certainly don’t have as much on the line personally. But I see what’s happening all around us. I’m close to it – but not too close. This gives me what I call the objectivity of the aloof.
With this in mind, I offer a list of things young, self-identifying white people might want to consider when making big decisions in their lives.
1. Make Yourself Useful
Imagine yourselves as members of an incipient white nation. Imagine that you were part of a population set with the task of rebuilding civilization. Imagine there’s been a doomsday conflict between whites and non-whites. Imagine yourselves during a time of crisis. What kind of skills would you need? What kind of skills would make you valuable? We all know the answer, of course: skills which require hard work and years of training to acquire. STEM fields, mostly. But there are others. Speaking other languages, for example. If you’re good with your hands or a whiz with machines or an expert builder or handyman, then you’re set. If you can farm, you will be a great asset. Same if you know how to run a business. It almost goes without saying that military experience would be invaluable. And if you’re not technical and don’t like getting your hands dirty, then law or accounting degrees can also be useful.
The idea is to become the person others go to for answers about the most important things.
Just as important, of course, is to make money. Hard working people with STEM skills can corner the market in their fields. If you’re good at what you do, you will have an excellent chance of writing your own ticket. This would make you the kind of grassroots donor that all white advocacy organizations and activists require. Money also serves as insurance against doxxing. If you can amass half a million dollars in savings and investments over the course of twenty years, then having your identity blown would be less terrifying than if you’re living paycheck to paycheck while dragging around a sackful of debt.
When our crisis finally comes to a head, we will need as many people with as much money and as many skills as possible. Please keep in mind that you’re not doing all this just for yourselves and your families. A larger family may require your services when the time comes. The idea of duty and sacrifice for the greater good of our people must become a crucial theme for us.
If you are academically inclined, or if you are artistic or musical, then you have a choice. You can do what many of our ancestors did and sacrifice your immediate dreams for the sake of your descendants, or for something greater than yourself. This is what I did: I placed my literary career on hold for many years while putting the legwork into acquiring technical skills. Now that I have reached a certain level of experience, I can find time to write – although not nearly as much as I would like. Since academia and the arts tend to be low-paying, you may want to take the same path. You may not get your PhD or that killer record deal or your paintings in a top gallery, but once you’ve established yourself in a technical field, you could still find ways to use your creative gifts in your spare time for the sake of the cause.
On the other hand, you could just dive into your preferred field as an undercover white. As an academic, this could work. Keep your head down, get your degree, become an expert, and then publish pro-white literature under a pseudonym. You’ll have more resources and time at your disposal than the dilettantes and dabblers described above, so your work will likely be superior to theirs. But you’ll be paid less and especially vulnerable to doxxing.
Artists and musicians face a starker choice. Such a tiny percentage of them are able to support themselves in their chosen fields, even without the additional burden of white advocacy. The decision to become a full-time artist under these circumstances could be treacherous and should be made only after a clear and honest assessment of one’s skill, dedication, and chances of success.
The outcome of this decision could be great. You could become a star and make waves. The likelier outcome, however, would be wasting a decade pursuing your dreams and then failing. That’s a decade that could have gone towards the cause. I know this sounds callous, but with such little time left and with such enemies arrayed against us, there really is no other way to say it. Dreams of making it big in music or in the arts will become a luxury most whites won’t be able to afford in the next few years, anyway.
2. Be Biologically Successful
This means having lots of children. This may be even more important than making yourself useful. My hunch is that white women should focus on having children first and making themselves useful second, while men should do the opposite. We should all aspire to have four children before we reach thirty. Wouldn’t that be bad news for our enemies. Imagine how powerful the white demographic could be if we returned to productive levels of replacement and raised our children properly. I’ve written more on the issue of raising children here. Further, Rob Kievsky has given some enlightening interviews with Greg Johnson here and here.
The idea is not for the white rabbits to outbreed the brown ones, but for whites to stave off their inevitable displacement long enough for a critical mass of them to become “woke” on the topics of white identity and race realism. By that point, we will still have enough vigor to form an ethnostate or something like it.
Of course, this can get tricky. Supposing you don’t want to have children? Well, that’s fine. But placing your desires over the needs of the group is partially what got us into this mess to begin with. This me-first individualism is nothing less than a program for civilizational decline. It is, in a word, dysgenic. Yes, freedom is important, and one must be allowed to do what’s best for oneself. This is one reason why the West has been so successful for so long. Under Pax Caucasica, freedom was a talisman of greatness. But we don’t live under Pax Caucasica anymore, and freedom becomes less and less important the closer the herd gets to the demographic cliff. In a Post Caucasica world, we should view freedom as the ability to determine how many children we should have rather than whether we should have children at all.
Exceptions exist. Some people probably shouldn’t have children for medical or psychiatric reasons. A person who risks poverty and persecution as an activist for the cause should also be given a pass if they desire it. But for most of us, the excuses just aren’t there.
This will come with great sacrifice, for sure. Radical feminism and the reactionary Pick-Up Artist and Men Going Their Own Way movements have corroded sexual relations to the point that the marrying kind might just be in the minority these days. The marrying kind still exists, of course, but finding them might prove difficult. One could get lucky. On the other hand, one could realize that the highest proportion of marrying-kind whites can still be found within the confines of religion. This is great if you’re already religious, but if not, then perhaps you should consider finding God. I see no problem with a red-pilled white joining a religious group if it means finding a suitable spouse. Your own personal beliefs about God and religion should take a back seat to any milieu which encourages people to enter productive marriages.
For the parents out there, arranged marriages should be something to consider as well. I would love to see an informal network of marriage-arranging among the white Right across the world. From what I have read, dating seems like a dystopian nightmare these days, especially on college campuses. Arranged marriages would be a great way to save our children from the headache, as well as offer a defense against the sexual hedonism which has become a vicious cycle of the symptoms and causes of our civilizational decline. The cost of airline tickets, hotel stays, and restaurant tabs would be a small price to pay for the benefits of such a program. Of course, parents should let the young people retain their veto rights over particular arrangements. But if enough of us return to the idea of arranged marriages, the benefits will become obvious for the children, as well for the parents.
What if you’re gay as well as red-pilled? Well, I believe sexuality falls on a continuum, with a gray area existing between the portions of the population that are entirely straight and entirely gay. If you know you could go either way, plop for the hetero-normative part of you and start having kids. Your sacrifice would be no greater than that of the artist who relegates his passion to hobby status while pursuing a career in dentistry.
If you feel you must be a committed homosexual, however, then perhaps consider seeking out gay members of the opposite sex with whom to produce children. Arrangements and compromises can be made. I have personally seen it happen more than once. Yes, these can be extremely personal and difficult decisions to make and carry out. I am just asking such people to at least include biological success among the many things to consider when making important lifestyle decisions. There will always be those individuals, gay or straight, who should not have children for reasons only they know. We can encourage them all we want, but ultimately we will have to respect their decision. Regardless, we remain justified in hoping that such people don’t number too greatly within our population. We should always remember that tending to the future is just as important as tending to the present.
The final reason for pursuing biological success is entirely practical. We all grow old and we all die. At some point, most of us will be too infirm to take care of ourselves. Without children around to care for us and see to the proper arrangements, we will be alone and at the mercy of either the state or people who are not our kin. I have seen the consequences of this, and it is horrifying. Do we really want to be “treated” by Guatemalans, Somalis, or other racial strangers in our declining years, when we have less and less control over our own lives? Children and grandchildren are a great way to ease our painful yet inevitable transition from this world to the next. For all its accomplishments, mankind has yet to improve on such a natural and effective arrangement.
Spencer J. Quinn is a frequent contributor to Counter-Currents and the author of the novel White Like You.
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Might as well get it out of the way early on: I’m a young white man with an Asian wife. This has never happened before, I’m sure. I love my wife dearly, and though she and her family have been good to me and do not hate white people by any means (they are all staunchly on the conservative side of everything, and moving to an almost entirely white small town probably had a lot to do with that), of course the issue remains that, in the end, we are not the same people and our ultimate loyalties would lie with our own people if it ever came down to it – and it very well could within my lifetime, though I hope it won’t for everyone’s sake. After all, my in-laws can always go back where they’re from if things got bad, and they don’t have amy especial connection to America except that it made their lives as immigrants materially better.
My wife and I courted and married as I was really just on the cusp of becoming more deeply mentally invested in “this thing of ours,” but that is all a purely academic discussion at this point. Certainly we are not going to divorce over it by my choice – my moral and religious compunctions against breaking oaths made before God and all that.
My question is this: is it possible for me, a person with some scholarly and literary ambitions and with a set of resources not dissimilar to those described as being optimal in the article, to contribute in any way to this cause, which I perhaps hilariously or even hypocritcally believe in fully (or let’s say greater than 88 percent of the way there)? The last thing I would want is to hurt whatever nascent movement is being created just by virtue of being someone who cannot produce legitimate all-white children. Counter Currents is exactly my kind of scene, intellectually speaking, so I defer to the wisdom of more, shall we say, “intellectually consistent” readers and contributors here for any advice you might have, even if that is something along the lines of “stay out of the way.”
To quote Mr. Mackey from South Park: “Miscegenation’s bad…mmkay.”
But regardless, Of course you can still contribute. If you have resources to give, Be they financial, literary, scholarly, etc, why would it really matter that you have an Asian wife? So long as you don’t write about the glories of interracial marriage or the joys of breeding out White people, or related themes. Let editors like Greg decide if your writings and/or money have value!
While miscegenation needs to be very actively discouraged among ALL Whites (not just WNs) – while we need to try to cultivate a culture of anti-miscegenationism, especially among the young (“it’s, like, totally not cool to marry a mud, bro”) – I would add that having an alien wife can actually enable this gentleman to make even more of a contribution to the WN cause than a plain vanilla guy like me could.
We don’t simply need to convince a critical mass of pure-blooded Whites to embrace apartheidist sovereignty; we also must convince a sufficient number of racially apathetic Whites of good character and goodwill to LET OUR PEOPLE GO! I think this is a crucial point (and one I hope CC editors will one day examine at length). Pro-Whites married to nonwhites could be a big help in providing moral cover for PC-indoctrinated but well-meaning Whites to support us (or at a minimum, not hysterically oppose our secessionist goal, moronically equating opposing the Ethnostate with re-fighting Hitler).
I’m in favor of restoring Europe as a whole continent of all-White Ethnostates, and we should accept nothing less (including de Benoist’s insulting “domestic ethnocommunitarian pluralism” or whatever he calls his latest position). But I’m an American, and my chief concern is with the state of Whites here. How are we going to realize the Ethnostate? I strongly doubt that, absent fratricidal civil war (a real but I think remote possibility, at least before 2050, and maybe before even 2100), we will ever CONVINCE enough Whites to join us so as to be able to FORCE a breakaway Ethnostate upon the larger Union as a ‘fait accompli’. If 25% of Whites in 2050 are avowed (whether open like Spencer or secret like me) WNs (an optimistic but not wild-eyed possibility), we will be doing damn well. But 25% of Whites in 2050 might only be 10-12% of the total population. That probably will not be enough for us to impose our secessionist will on the rest of the country if the latter is hostile to us.
Thus, we must face the reality that we will likely achieve the Ethnostate only through a combination of a) building up our own forces (through the kind of reasoned analysis as well as metapolitical alternative-culture building CC does, eventually necessarily to be supplemented by extensive real world networking and racial activism; maybe also over time aided via somewhat higher conservative vs progressive fertility rates), and b) persuading enough non-WN Whites (and some nonwhites) of the justice of our cause – as well as the benefits to them of letting us go (which should not be that difficult of a sell, at least to liberals: by shedding us, they will dramatically move the country to the Left overall; our greatest opponents will be conservative Whites who either don’t support, or don’t want to relocate to, the Ethnostate).
A pro-White miscegenist harms (a) but could help with (b). As a proud White American, I find this fact offensive (why should I have to prove my moral worth simply because I wish to dwell with and be ruled by my own people, as nature intended??), but I also recognize its truth (again, with respect solely to other Whites). In these sick times, persons with, say, mixed race children speak with greater moral authority on racial issues than “purely self-interested” White racists. The more of them we have speaking on behalf of our own White Exodus, the better.
I am married to an Asian woman with two boys but I do not want whites to become a minority. I didn’t realize the weaponized miscegenation that was happening and likely would have married within my race had I known the danger we are facing. We cannot go back and change the past. I could never justify leaving my wife and children to find a white partner. I love them too much and could never forgive myself. I don’t consider myself a race traitor but someone who found woman that he loved in an increasingly degenerating world. Considering how many of our women had become tainted with feminism can you really blame guys like me? I do, however, think that it is a good idea to encourage our mixed offspring to marry whites. Some might disagree but I think would be helpful in restoring our racial purity. If our enemy’s goals are to breed breed us out then we can work to breed ourselves back in.
I myself am fairly new to Counter-Currents and WN in general; you could call me a “recovering civic nationalist”. I can’t say I’m the intellectually consistent person you’re looking for advice from, but being in a situation similar to yours, I’ve asked myself the same question on several occasions, so maybe my thoughts would be useful.
I think that, from a purely numerical perspective, you are likely to a net benefit even if you produce mixed children or decide not to have children, because, while we do need to raise our birthrates, the marginal value of another skilled pro-white scholar-writer is still much greater than that of a few more white children.
People basically join our cause in one of two ways: either they are born into pro-white households as children (and subsequently kept away from anti-white education and cultural influences) and grow up pro-white, or they experience an ideological shift as adults. At the moment, the latter pool of “recruits” is many, many times bigger than the former. Given your skills and ambitions, it sounds like you have a good chance at changing multiple individuals’ minds throughout your life, and that ability is substantially multiplied by the existence of the Internet and publications like CC.
These days, there are a lot of disaffected young white men, especially those in college, who are feeling enough heat to begin to have an inkling that they as a demographic are being discriminated against. In my experience, this tends to be the first step to realizing one’s ethnic identity, and the ensuing search for answers, if pursued long enough, inevitably leads to us. However, the most well-spoken white advocates are so heavily suppressed in the mainstream that I think many people who have that initial realization simply never come to the conclusion that WN is a viable ideological option; all they’ve ever seen are crude caricatures of Neo-Nazis. (Anecdotally, I’ve had a family member go all the way from completely demonizing WN to basically agreeing with all its major points, just by having them read Dr. Johnson’s “White Nationalist Manifesto” once I sensed that they had naturally acquired a little bit of racial awareness by observing the changing demographics around them. Sometimes all it takes is exposure to one good advocate.)
If you have scholarly and literary talent, and you write and argue in favor of our cause, you could well be the source of that initial spark that so many young whites are still sorely lacking. Hit the mark a few times, and you’ll have produced more racially-aware whites than you ever could have biologically. Ultimately, we’re playing a numbers game here, and conversion is arguably an even more fruitful strategy than procreation at the present moment, especially with more whites than ever becoming somewhat racially sensitive, if not yet fully aware, and actively looking for answers as a result.
In fact, perhaps some of the above would do well as a major item the article. Point 3: proselytize as much as you are able! In a metapoltical sense, we are fighting for our biological survival in large part by trying to turn the zeitgeist back in our favor, and arguably that is a precondition of what this article refers to as “biological success” on a broad scale. As Quinn points out, numbers alone aren’t enough to win; the end goal is a critical mass of politically aware whites specifically. You could marginally increase the number of whites by having children, but you could also ever so slightly increase the chance that any given white person becomes politically aware (a process which is also a positive feedback loop). Given that there are still hundreds of millions of us, the latter strategy is arguably a much better choice for the rhetorically and intellectually skilled.
That aside, with regards to the specific issue of having an Asian partner, my own gut feeling is that, while having mixed white-Asian children certainly does not actively contribute to our cause, I don’t think it’s particularly harmful to us either, aside from the opportunity cost of not having fully white children. The analogy that comes to mind is putting money in a bank instead of investing it: typically not the most optimal choice, but at least a decent and stable one. I don’t think I would say the same for any other racial combinations (the one other possible exception is a biologically white-Jewish pairing with fully white culture, as in my experience children brought up in situations of that nature are cognitively very similar to whites and tend to see themselves as such.)
It’s my impression that many of us consider Asians (and here I presume you likely mean East Asians: Japan, Korea, China, etc.) to be the most respectable non-white race: while Asians as a group lack the individual creativity that whites are known for, they are intelligent and industrious. It could even be said that their strengths and weaknesses complement those of whites, and it’s certainly the case that East Asian culture retains many of the elements of traditionalism that we in the West wish we still had today; perhaps there are some things we can learn from them. As you said, Asians don’t feel allegiance or closeness to those of European descent, but neither do they seem to possess the deep ideological hatred and envy of us that most other races do. In fact, Asians living in the West are the secondary target of that hatred, and in that sense we at least have common foes, if not common goals. Even though it would be best for both our groups to part ways in the long term, perhaps we can be allies of convenience, or necessity, in the short term.
Hi Esoteric,
Thanks for posting your comment. The problems you mention are perhaps why miscegenation is a bad idea to begin with. Further, as things become more and more polarized in the West, identity will become more and more important. Identity should never be complicated for children, but when they are of mixed race, they have to choose a side, all the while knowing that the might not be fully accepted anywhere. This will pose real problems for biracial people during the racial conflict which very well might be coming.
That said, if you are going to miscegenate, it’s better to do it with a high-IQ group like the east Asians. I also am loath to punish people for pre-red-pill mistakes. If I were king of the white ethnostate, I would follow the Half-White/Not Brown rule, which stipulates that anyone who has one fully white parent and a second parent who is not fully black or Arab *might* be considered white enough to live in a white ethnostate with some restrictions on political rights placed upon them (but not their kids if they marry a white).
I elaborate on this in my “Vetting” series:
https://counter-currents.com/2017/08/on-vetting-and-entry-into-a-white-ethnostate-part-i/
But this is just my opinion. The way I see it, such people will assimilate into the mass of whites over time. It may not be an ideal compromise, but I think it’s a practical one, which can have good effects. A good example is the classical guitarist John Williams. A very white guy, yet he has a Chinese grandmother.
I appreciate everyone taking the time to give me some good feedback, and that goes doubly for Mr. Quinn, whose other articles I have enjoyed reading and found to be useful and insightful. As for myself and my own marital situation, I’m not making excuses and I’m certainly not looking for any kind of “out” – it’s not as though we have any kind of power necessary to make your sound ideas regarding political participation and even allowances for residence for biracial individuals at this point in time. I’m definitely aware that the issues you addressed are a negative concerning the children that I might one day have (and that my parents and in-laws are expecting one day), and, truth be told, that is my one real regret – but is it ever a huge one! Still these are things that I will have to come to terms with on my own, and I am not asking for any favors or forgiveness or any such thing. I simply appreciate the thought that went into the responses I have received, especially the ones coming “from the top,” seeing as I would like to find a way to be involved in helping to achieve our goals even at the risk of not being able to fully enjoy the fruits of that labor when those goals have been realized. Whatever decisions I made in the past, and however sub-optimal (though hopefully not out and out detrimental) they may prove to be in the end – suffice it to say that I’m with you all in spirit, and I think there are a lot of other young guys in a similar situation in life as me who are as well.
All the best, and thanks again.
But this is just my opinion. The way I see it, such people will assimilate into the mass of whites over time. It may not be an ideal compromise, but I think it’s a practical one, which can have good effects. A good example is the classical guitarist John Williams. A very white guy, yet he has a Chinese grandmother.
Yup, John Williams is a very white guy, all right. Totally typical liberal. So liberal that he performed in benefit concerts for the African National Congress. Williams never met a liberal cause he didn’t like. Suckholes to every nonwhite musician he can find.
“If you can amass half a million dollars in savings and investments over the course of twenty years, then having your identity blown would be less terrifying….”
This is true. But you can’t only blame material concerns for people staying in the closet. Many also don’t want to lose their standing in the eyes of other men. If you’re successful enough to make millions in your job, chances are you will become used to being admired by a wide swath of people. That makes it hard to “out” yourself later after you’ve stockpiled money.
So I would supplement your advice. Make money–but do so while also being as far to the right as is politically safe. I work as an urban professional and am out and proud as a civic nationalist Trump supporter. As a result, I don’t have any mentors/mentees who are feminist, left-wing, non-white, immigrant, etc. People tolerate me but I’m not admired by any of the people who will cut me loose when I out myself. So I won’t lose any vision of myself by coming out.
That’s correct, and about how I conduct myself. I don’t allow anyone to “diss” Whites in any way in my presence. Ever. I will not stay silent in the face of antiwhite lies. But I hardly go full-Taylor or full-Johnson, etc. I pull a lot of WN punches, if matters ever do come up (and I never start any type of racial discussion, or even willingly join in; but sometimes I’m dragged in, and if so, I will NOT cuck out). I’ve been told (by a black female who likes me because I’m respectful and a good listener) that some people think I might be a “closet racist” (hahahaha — if only they knew I love CC and Amren!), but others just think I’m a “hardcore Republican” (which is “bad” enough, but as there are tens of millions of us, they have to be careful). Everyone knows I support Donald Trump, the Wall, full illegal alien enforcement, abolishing affirmative action, concealed carry, hanging criminals, etc. No one at work knows I support the Ethnostate.
Everyone also knows that I could not care less what they think of me. Whites need to develop both more “inner directedness” (I want people I admire to think well of me; who cares about the rest, especially on a racial topic, where we’re right and others are enemies, morons or cucks?), and more toughness of character.
There’s not much in here that I as a 29 year old White man with a Bachelors Degree and zero student loan debt finds practical or encouraging. Instead of picking his points apart, most of which I disagree with, I’m just going to offer brief outlines that parallel his:
In Terms of Doing Something Useful
If you get a job, can financially support yourself without relying on your parents, live in your own place (house or apartment; doesn’t matter) by yourself or with family, and don’t have any substantial debt, then you’re doing just fine in life. The point is to not be a parasite.
At your job, make yourself likable with your superiors and your colleagues. My workplace found out about my WN beliefs, and I was only given a warning from HR not to proselytize on company grounds. Everyone from my boss to my supervisor to some of my colleagues defended me. You don’t HAVE to get a STEM job to be successful or useful to the Movement or to feel like you’ve made it in life. You simply need to be a good employee who is financially self-sufficient.
Long term, I agree that investing is a good idea, but you won’t have half a million saved up in 20 years unless you have a 6 figure job, which, sorry, but there’s a reason the Median income in this country is about $52,000. More realistically, if you invest a few hundred dollars a month in Mutual Funds that make 10% yearly return, you’ll get to $1 million saved up in 30 years, and half a million only a few years before that because of the nature of how compound interest works. Either way, you’ll be 50 years old before you have that kind of money, and probably closer to 60.
In Terms of Relationships
As most of the young guys who read sites like this have no doubt figured out, women either want you or they don’t. I applaud those of you who are natural alpha types and who kept their masculinity in face of everything that’s happened. You deserve +4 kids and a loving wife. But most of us young men aren’t like that. Women make the final choice as to whether we will have kids or not, and realistically, the reason MGTOW and PUA and the Manosphere exist is because most young White men have realized that pursuing marriage and having children simply isn’t feasible. And it isn’t feasible because women don’t want us. Thems how the cookies crumble.
Anyway, enough black pills. What I’m saying is: You’re not morally obligated to have kids in order to be a good White Nationalist. The goal of this movement is to secure the existence of the White Race, whether there are 70,000 of us or 700 million of us. Doesn’t matter either way. Plenty of other White men and women will reproduce and have babies, and as they grow up, our Movement will pick off a lot of them. You don’t need to raise any yourself unless you have a special spot in your heart for kids and actually have the ability to charm a woman you are attracted to. Having kids is not and should not be the priority of a Movement that is intellectual and spiritual in nature, not traditional.
In a future White Ethnostate, I’m all for a policy which encourages and rewards couples for having lots of healthy children. But this ain’t that. If you are hardwired like me, spare yourself the emotional and psychological pain by avoiding relationships and children altogether. We as WN’s love to tell colored people that they should accept their lot in the life. And that’s true, they should. The very reason we can’t get along with them is because they refuse to accept their naturally unequal status. Well, the same applies to men who aren’t successful biologically: Accept your status, but also don’t let anyone lord it over you. Madison Grant never had kids. Adolf Hitler never had kids. Were they losers? Were they failures? I’m not saying you should live a life of nihilistic hedonism, but I’m also saying you don’t need to be married or have kids to be a good pro-White advocate.
I agree with most of your points. There are some polymaths out there who have a talent for writing or art but who could also do science or engineering, but I think that’s quite rare. Most people are one or the other – if they can do anything practical. I certainly have no talent for math or science. And going into farming as a profession, if you haven’t been born into it, is no simple feat.
I think you’re far too pessimistic to say that “women don’t want us,” which if I understand you correctly means white men generally. Even in our ultra-anti-white climate, every survey I’ve seen confirms that most white women want a partner who is also white. But if your point is that white women, generally speaking, don’t want Rightist/traditionalist men, that’s certainly the case, at least in the US and Western Europe, due to our conditioning, the social stigma attached to it, and the simple fact that the Dissident Right is teeming with weirdos and spergs. (Present company excepted, of course.)
But I definitely agree that “you’re not morally obligated to have kids.” Kids are not the universal yardstick for how successful someone’s life has been. As you pointed out, many great thinkers, artists, mystics, and leaders have been childless, but accomplished great things in other areas. On top of which, it’s not as if you can decide you want a family, and then you go on Amazon and order yourself a wife. It’s difficult for anyone, most especially for us, as we already established. However, I think for most men who are physically and mentally normal, and at least minimally self-supporting, it’s no trick to find a wife if you simply want a family at all costs. But the price one might have to pay to just settle for the first woman who comes along and agrees to bear your children, in spite of other incompatibilities or flaws, could lead to disaster, or at least chronic unhappiness. It’s irresponsible to put pressure on white men to make them think it’s their duty to have children, as that can lead them to make tragic errors in judgment. It won’t do you any good if you rush into a marriage with the first woman who agrees to it, you find out you’re incompatible after she’s already had two kids with you, and then she ends up as a single mother, the kids end up suffering all the consequences of growing up in a broken household, and you’re back to being single and paying alimony to her for the rest of your life. A woman is an individual person, with all the variables that implies, and not all women are suitable for every man. For some people it might take many years of trial and error until they find the right match. Others may realize that they’re simply not cut out for it at all (like this commenter, and myself). That’s just the way it is. But for us as a people, nature will take care of us, as long as we take care of ourselves. As you said, white people aren’t going to die out anytime soon.
”But if your point is that white women, generally speaking, don’t want Rightist/traditionalist men, that’s certainly the case, at least in the US and Western Europe, due to our conditioning, the social stigma attached to it, and the simple fact that the Dissident Right is teeming with weirdos and spergs. (Present company excepted, of course.)”
You nailed it right there John. That was indeed my point. If I may break it down further:
1. I myself am a weirdo/nerd and a sperg. Mercifully, I made it through all of highschool and college without any authentic desire to form a relationship. However, it was in the final semester of my senior year of college, at 22 years old, that I had my racial awakening. By 2014, I was feeling the peer pressure to get married and have kids, both from myself and from Traditionalists in the Movement. Of course, that never happened because of the above. Worse yet, it wasn’t just the pressure of “More White Babies” that changed me, it was also my own authentic, newfound desire to get married and have children. I react viscerally to any suggestions that young White men in this movement “should” have kids, because that’s basically the equivalent of taunting and teasing a cripple for not being able to walk. And believe me, I’m not talking about “thirst,” as I took care of that the Tyrion Lannister way. What’s truly tormenting is to desire love, acceptance, and emotional bonding, and to know that no woman I find attractive will ever find me worthy of that. I am who I am, and who I am is unacceptable and just not good enough. Which brings me to my next point:
2. Young men like me, nerds and spergs, make up a disproportionate number of people in the Movement. At Amren and NPI conferences, we’re basically all that’s there. There are few families in this Movement, and that’s because there are few men in it who, as you said, are normal both physically and mentally. This should be expected: A brainy, marginalized movement naturally attracts brainy, marginalized people. The advice in this article would suit your typical suburban Evangelical Church, but not the pro-White Movement.
3. Because of the fact that the Movement is made up of and attracts men who are weirdos and spergs, saying to young WN men that we should get married and have kids is advice that’s dead on arrival. And to be clear, I’m not saying that nerds and spergs should be catered to or coddled (truth be told, we should submit to voluntarily sterilization after we create the White Ethnostate. Now THAT’s true sacrifice right there). I’m simply saying that the leaders and professional writers of this Movement need to know who there base actually is, not who they wish it would be.* Their advice needs to be framed in terms of, “are these guys actually capable and/or willing to do this?” I think we actually have certain skills that can be exploited. Traditional family and relationships aren’t one of them.
*If there is a pro-White forum or an organization out there attended by actual families, I’d like to know who they are, because in seven years in this Movement and over 10 conferences and/or events attended, I can count on one hand the number of families I’ve seen at these things, the most significant one being Rick Tyler’s family at the 2018 American Freedom Party conference.
You sound like you either have a big inferiority complex or are looking for a shoulder to cry on. As you get older, money and personality will count for more in relationships, so don’t give up on yourself in that department. “Put money in thy purse!” Iago in Othello.
Could you elaborate on what YOU mean by “nerds and spergs”? And what is the source of your marital pessimism? Is it that you want to meet a WN woman, and there just aren’t very many these days? Or that it’s tough to get married period for White men? If the former, you are correct; if the latter, well, I guess I’m back to asking what your terms mean to YOU. Because it is NOT that hard to find a woman to marry, even for nerds (a lot of real nerds make a lot of money and are quite popular; I see this constantly).
Of course, it all depends on how much you are willing to lower your standards. I may be like you. Because our sick society is highly juridically biased towards women, I will only marry the right woman, which means one who is smart (as marriages these days are unfortunately but necessarily “marriages of equals”, which means, for me anyway, I don’t want a moron who can cause me problems because she is outside my control), but also one who is at least staunchly GOP and “conservative”, as are most of my non-WN friends. That is a tough combo where I live in California, which is why I’m a middle-aged bachelor (that I like attractive women has only made it worse, but that’s a choice on my part which I may modify before too much longer). And yet, while I’m not great looking (not hideous, either), I still get hit on a lot, including by White women (and often by nonwhites, unfortunately) – and I don’t flash cash, either.
My point is that for any normal White guy, even one living in a heavily nonwhite-infested area as I do, it isn’t THAT hard to find a wife. I think some of this “Woe is me as a White man” Millennial Generation rhetoric is just the whining typical of your coddled and addled generation. I thought young White men in the 80s were already rather wussy (as did the older men, variously WWII and Vietnam vets, in my family). But those born after 1980 are really kind of pathetic (as a class, even if there are many noble exceptions).
Lord Shang,
What I mean by “nerds and “spergs” are guys who have personality types that women simply do NOT find desirable, and worse yet, are repulsed by. To get a woman to commit to marrying you requires her to be attracted to you, and that’s never going to happen for guys like me who have undesirable personality types. Hence my pessimism.
I do need to clarify some things further:
It seems to me like your conception of a “true nerd” is basically a Mark Zuckerberg type who is brainy, slightly odd, but enormously successful. I suppose that might be the traditional conception of a nerd, or in any case might be your generations conception of one, but among Late Gen Xers, Millennial’s, and Zoomers, a nerd is basically an introvert who spends his free time focused on/obsessing over things like Video Games, Anime, Star Wars, Dungeons & Dragons, Superhero Comics, etc. By contrast, a normal man is someone who is sociable, likes to spend his free time going out in public to be with friends or to find members of the opposite sex, and finds joy in life from relationships with others. It’s acceptable to focus on nerdy tastes up until about 12. Beyond that, there is a very real stigma attached to having nerdy tastes.
We are, all of us, expected to be sociable and to spend our free time on our relationships with others. That’s what girls want, that’s what girls expect from guys, and if we are shy or introverted instead, well, let me put it this way: I haven’t been hit on by a White girl since highschool. I’ve been hit on by a few black girls and by one cute Mestizo girl on a dating site who practically threw herself at me, but that’s it. White girls don’t hit on me whether I find them attractive or not, and it’s not like my standards for attractiveness are even high: I like THICC girls who have the body type of Megan McCain or Ashley Graham. (I’ve never even bothered with thin girls, as I’ve always I known they were out of my league). My point is, it’s not realistic to expect a WN guy like me to get married and have kids when White women I find attractive don’t find me attractive. And the reason they don’t fine guys like me attractive are explained in my previous comments. Like I said, the WN Movement is not filled with normal White guys, regardless of whether it “should” be or not.
If there’s one thing I do agree with you on, it’s this: I can only do friendships and relationships with people who are my intellectual equals. I don’t have a particularly high IQ, but when it comes to connecting abstract concepts and knowing the ins and outs of philosophy, history, and religion? I’m in this Movement and comment on sites like this precisely because its filled with so many bright, intelligent individuals who actually know what the hell I’m talking about. (Mostly. Some are dumb nihilists. But most are bright and serious). I don’t expect to find a girl who is already a WN, but I DO expect to find a girl who can go toe to toe with me intellectually and has more to offer in a conversation than boring life stories. There’s little that’s interesting to me about the banal details of day to day life unless its part of a well-packaged story of feels like your typical Disney or Pixar movie. So, in a sense, I guess I do have high standards, but again, I’ve never even been in a position to find out if a girl wants to talk about more than mundane stories or not, because they’d rather be swept off their feet by a man who is charming and relatable and sociable. That’s a game I wouldn’t play even if I had the necessary social skills.
Natural alpha? Some alphas are. Most are not.
Your story is not unusual. It was not always this way, at least I don’t think so. My father, 6’3” and 210 lbs., was an electrical engineer during the space race. At work he used a slide rule and wore a pocket protector in his shirt. After work he tinkered with electronics in the garage, played the banjo, used a Lincoln arc welder, piloted my grandfather’s airplane, repaired dryers-washers, maintained the station wagon, and often went to gun stores and rifle ranges. We camped frequently. The colleagues he brought to the house didn’t strike me as geeks/nerds/spergs, but then I was a kid with limited experience. So perhaps they were! In any case, STEM-types may have been “strange” back in my time but not like today. I think your difficulties are mostly due to a lack of experience and self-confidence.
As an urban kid until my 12th birthday I was allowed to box, defend myself in school (up to a point), play GI Joe or Lone Ranger, ride skateboards without a helmet, tinker with bicycles, shoot rifles at the range, build balsa wood airplanes and weapons of mass urban destruction (trebuchets and ballista), go camping with the cub scouts (without mom’s interference), carry/use a Buck knife for whittling, own hand tools and construct wooden projects in the garage, play little league baseball, mow/edge/water the old folk’s lawns, round up soda bottles for revenue, build treehouses, climb trees and play in big backyards, carry metal cap pistols, jump neighbors’ fences, tease the girls, hide a bikini pic of Mary Ann (Gilligan’s Island) under the mattress, etc. All benefits of living in a relatively high trust, homogenously white environment. I’m one of the last, bench-level electronic repair technicians in the country. Does that make me a geek/nerd/sperg? Maybe!
What does this have to do with you? My sons are approximately your age. Tall and muscular. But they have many friends of much slighter stature. Gunslingers, they are. More than a bit of smithing and reloading has taken place in my garage. They can pull, crimp, and solder wire. They camp, hunt feral pigs and deer without benefit of a “guide” or “blind,” read topographical maps, construct wood projects, cut/bend/drill/deburr/tap metal, and have girlfriends (one son is engaged). One son is an electromechanical engineer, the other is completing his electical engineering degree. My daughter, presently taking linear algebra and studying to become a mathematician, has a boyfriend learning electronics & computer technology. A long, tall, “geeky/nerdy” kid he is. A very fine young man with a traditionalist mind. Recently built his first rifle in my garage. One year ago I helped him refurbish his grandfather’s handgun. My little girl told him in the beginning, “you must know tech (electrical/electronics/computer), tools and guns. Everything else is easy. Talk to my dad and brothers.” Ha ha! My kids are STEM. Are they geeks/nerds/spergs? Maybe! Yes, they use the spyphones but they are not dependent, with eyeballs constantly glued to the screen. They are competent and confident. Judging by your writing you could get there, too!
I shall provide Greg with my real email address. Talk to me.
I live far from Idaho and don’t want to move, so I can’t join an Identitarian church, although I’d like to. What are the whitest Christian sects in America? I’ve never attended church before but am looking for a good, decent third place. The catch is I don’t want to be around nonwhites on Sunday, as in my other two places, work and home neighborhood, I am a white minority. Why would I want to be one in my third place on my day off too? I don’t even care if the church is full of SJWs, as long as they’re white.
Hi Norm
Look into the Greek Orthodox Church or Russian Orthodox Church or some variation there of for a white congregation.
Best
I have had good relations with Greek and Russian Orthodox people, and love attending their services — the choir music is ethereal and magnificent! But, if you meet white European converts in those churches, they tend to be fanatic, so be aware of that! However, I have seen some wonderful marriages occur between converts and Orthodox which resulted in marvelous children, even 5 kids in one instance, among my friends. And the Greek dancing is a delight to participate in, and may end in a relationship. These are both peoples who hold to their own ways and traditions. Importantly, they have ‘Saturday Schools’ for their children, which teach language and culture, which is exactly what we all need to be doing.
I’m glad I found this article, as I only began reading White Nationalist literature since January, when I got ‘jailed’ by FB. I swore they would not censor me anymore, so I looked up books on “White Literature” and found some by Greg Johnson and others, and have never looked back. Now I buy from Counter-Currents. This article by Spencer Quinn is exactly what I need to see after nearly two months of reading pure theory — the bones of White Nationalism — and then wondering, “Well, exactly what can I do now”? I’m beyond childbearing and am retired, so I have time to do ‘something’, and this article provided some sign posts. I especially appreciated the words on “Making Yourself Useful”, which my mom advised too, but even she was not concrete enough, and, of course, we weren’t facing extinction in 1955! Specifically, the words about money was vastly important. You really can’t be useful if you’re worrying where to eat or sleep every day. Believe me, there is plenty of time left in the day even after a dull or dead-end dreary job, to work on your alternate ego and existence –and all the while socking away money for your future and whatever adventures in saving white civilization will require, or just getting 3 or 4 fine kids launched. This is the nuts-and-bolts article I needed, even though I still have mountains of theory to work out yet. But this post let’s me know what I can do at this age, and still feel useful, creative and adventurous. And, don’t forget us old folks when building the physical white utopia — I (and many others) get Social Security and two pensions, which I would really rather pass through in rent to a nice white homestead in a “Nice White Country”.
Thank you, Alexandra. Welcome aboard.
I am waiting for a certain phenomenon that I call, “The call of the blood,” whence we observe young white couples suddenly having large white families of five to ten kids without any prompting. If you ask them why they decided to have such a big family, they would say something like, “I don’t know, just seemed like the thing to do.” If we observe this phenomenon, I know that the white race will survive. The jews can’t do anything about whites having lots of babies; it will drive them insane.
Peter,
Yes, yes, and yes. Thank you.
Why allow any race mixers in the ethnostate? If we allow one family, then thousand or more bi-racial couples would flood in.
This is death to our ???? gene pool by literal thousand cuts. Race mixing is LITERALLY removing half of your European DNA and replacing it with alien DNA……….what’s not to understand???
Biracial offspring if allowed will go on and breed with other Whites to FURTHER remove more White genes. We will be erased slowly over time. See India or Brazil….
Being “White European “ is more than skin color, it’s skin color AND the other 99,993 unique European alleles/genes which only WE carry.
If nonWhite couples or biracial couples want to assist us then let them, but never let them in the ethnostate. Bar all biracial or multiracial couples or singles from entering White lands.
To the final point: it doesn’t have to be painful. Many people back in the days died peacefully in their sleep (sometimes falling asleep while they were seated during some work). We need to stress the importance of eating proper, home- or locally grown and raised food stuffed with nutrients and to avoid all kinds of junk food. Remember: human remains from the Medieval period generally have healthy teeth even if they died of old age. That should tell you something!
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