Counter-Currents
Patrik Hermansson
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“These are the times that try men’s souls. The summer soldier and sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of his country . . .” — Thomas Paine
In May of this year, I went to London to speak at the London Forum and the first annual Jonathan Bowden dinner. Stead Steadman introduced me to a young Swedish man going by the name Erik Hellberg. I was told that Erik was, like so many others, a newcomer to the movement who was going to write a master’s thesis on doxing, deplatforming, and harassment directed at White Nationalists.
The day after the London Forum, Stead and I met with Erik in a quiet hotel bar for a brief interview. I talked about my own experiences of harassment in San Francisco. We also talked a bit about White Nationalism in general, as well as other people he might interview. I suggested he talk to Charles Krafft, who has much more interesting stories than mine.
Erik seemed a nice enough fellow. A bit socially awkward, a bit inarticulate, a bit effeminate, but not so outside the norm for academic types that I felt suspicious. And he came with the recommendation of Stead Steadman.
Later Erik told me he was going to the US. I told him that friends of mine were holding a Northwest Forum meeting Seattle in June, and it would be an opportunity to interview Charles. I figured that if he had passed vetting for the London Forum and the Bowden Dinner, he would be fine for the Northwest Forum as well. (Stead actually has a reputation for being too strict in his vetting procedures, which made it impossible for some of Millennial Woes’ fans to see him speak at the May Forum.) I also suggested that Erik speak briefly at the Northwest Forum about his research project, to see if others in attendance would be interested in an interview.
It turns out that Erik Hellberg is really named Patrik Hermansson, and he was a spy for the antifa group Hope Not Hate. Not only was he recording interviews with people, he was also wearing a hidden camera and taking videos, and the results of his year-long investigations are going to be released as a documentary video.
My initial reaction to this news was a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach. I imagine that everyone Erik spoke to felt the same way. He certainly made the rounds, attending the Extremists Club in London, the London Forum, the Northwest Forum, and even Unite the Right in Charlottesville, insinuating his way into the good graces of Jez Turner and Stead Steadman, and interviewing not only me but also Millennial Woes, Tom Sunic, Gregory Lauder-Frost, Jason Jorjani, and Daniel Friberg, as well as chatting up countless people at various events.
It is terrible to feel that one’s trust has been violated by a rat, and it is even worse to feel that you lent your credibility to such a person, so he could violate even more people’s trust. In particular, I must apologize to the 30-odd people at the Northwest Forum who were exposed to this snitch because of me. (It turns out that he did not make much of an impression. At first, Charlie Krafft could not remember him at all. Think of how much worse it could have been if the infiltrator had been more socially confident and got people to do something really dumb, like Nazi salutes in front of cameras.)
We will see if Hope Not Hate followed local laws about recording conversations. Washington is a “two-party consent state.” Thus it is a crime to “intercept or record a private telephone call, in-person conversation, or electronic communication unless all parties to the communication consent.”
It is too soon to gauge the effect this will have on the movement, but some things need to be borne in mind.
First, Hope Not Hate will not release full videos. Instead, they will pick and choose what they consider the most damaging materials, and they will edit them deceptively to increase their impact. So nothing should be taken at face value. This is particularly true of Jason Jorjani’s footage, which has been edited to make him seem like a genocidal maniac, whereas in truth Jorjani, like the rest of us, thinks that the present world system is spiraling toward apocalyptic violence, genocide, and collapse. Our goal is to prevent that. For me, the whole purpose of ethnonationalism is to strike at the roots of ethnic hatred, violence, and genocide by giving peoples their own homelands. Jorjani envisions somewhat different problems and different solutions, but his ultimate goal is to prevent rather than trigger a global apocalypse.
But Leftists are liars. They have to lie. Their values are false and are giving rise to increasingly terrible consequences, which they must conceal from the public with more lies, political correctness (which boils down to excusing the guilty and blaming the innocent), and censorship. White Nationalism is growing because more of our people are waking up to the nightmare the Left is creating. This is why the Left is doubling down on their attempts to silence us. Because they have to lie, they have to control the media, and now that the Internet has loosened their control, they have to shut down access to alternative media.
Second, Hope Not Hate will surely release what they consider the most incendiary footage and recordings first, and from what I have seen so far, there are no bombshells. Basically, all these videos prove is that we say the same things in private that we say in public.
Indeed, the irony is that Patrik Hermansson did not need to lie at all. He could have openly presented himself as a Left-wing journalist, and virtually every one of us would probably have said the very same things. (For instance, here’s my interview with a Marxist journalist, Laura Raim.)
Leftists argue that we need to be deplatformed and censored for shouting our ideas from the rooftops — but when they want to repackage the very same ideas that we broadcast so effectively on our own as the discoveries of a courageous undercover investigator, suddenly they adopt the pretense that we are all muttering in secret.
I also have to laugh at the pretense that Hermansson was risking his life. The only person who ever harmed him was a fellow Leftist in Charlottesville. Frankly, one of the chief lessons of this fiasco is that White Nationalists are far too nice. One always regrets being too kind.
Third, Leftists think that our ideas are so self-evidently evil that they have little sense of the impressions they have on normies, thus they often unwittingly broadcast persuasive messages to the masses. For instance, apparently Hope Not Hate has a tiny clip of me at the London Forum speaking about the sickening spectacle after the Manchester Arena bombing that took place only a few days before. On May 22, 2017, yet another Muslim suicide bomber had massacred 22 innocents, most of them children, and injured 250 others at a concert in Manchester. And while the survivors were still picking bloody bits of children from their hair, Britain’s leaders were rushing toward the nearest camera to profess their undying commitment to diversity. This kind of religious fervor is simply insane. Leftists can point and splutter all they want, but rational people will be moved to think. (The words were not mine. I was paraphrasing something I saw on social media.)
Fourth, the most likely harm to the movement is not what the videos and tapes will reveal to the world, but the demoralization and distrust that they will promote. But let’s think this through. Everyone who attends these meeting knows that there is a certain level of risk involved from infiltrators and doxers. They also know that the organizers of these meetings take sensible precautions, but no system is foolproof. Thus most people do not reveal sensitive or compromising information to strangers. The worst case scenario is that pictures of people at events will be released online, and some of them will be identified and doxed. Nobody wants this to happen, but people who attend movement events know that it is also a risk.
We willingly shoulder these personal risks because if we do nothing, our race and civilization will die.
Now I will grant that some people might have gotten into this movement without thinking of the likely consequences. Others might have a change of heart in light of actual events. If so, I urge them to rethink their involvement. They might want to go back to entirely online interactions for a while. If so, there will be no hard feelings on my part. As I see this movement, everybody gets to determine his own level of risk and involvement, and the rest of us have to respect whatever they decide. The important thing, though, no matter what your comfort level, is to always do whatever you can. If you can’t go public, support those who do.
I am ashamed to admit it, but there is a part of me that longs for the time when our movement was a little safer and easier, when I could pen my essays and publish my books in relative peace, without threat of criminal violence and corporate persecution. But that was only possible because we were marginal and irrelevant. We are under increasing attack simply because we are increasingly successful at waking our people up, and the establishment is terrified. Every new success will provoke a fresh round of persecutions. But that can only go so far. We have a powerful ally that the enemy lacks: the truth. Furthermore, while our movement is becoming larger, stronger, and better organized, the system is dying from drinking its own multicultural Kool-Aid. Our policies are in harmony with reality, whereas the enemy is increasingly detached from it. But you can only ignore reality for so long. Thus the system is on borrowed time. So our work will only get harder . . . until it starts getting easier, and then we’ll win.
I find it perversely flattering that Hope Not Hate is promoting their exposé by claiming that finally they have unmasked the reclusive Greg Johnson. This too is a lie. First of all, I never believed that I could prevent my picture from eventually getting out on the web, so I never cared about it. I am philosophical about such matters. Specifically, I am a Stoic. I only worry about the things I can control, not the things that I can’t.
But it amused me to see my enemies get exercised over my picture. I imagine Obama felt the same way about the birthers. I wanted to see how long it would take before a photo got out, and I wanted to see who would finally put it out there: the enemy or one of the many loathsome people in our movement. I was betting it would be movement scum, and I was right. An old photo of me was dug up and circulated in January, and other pictures were surreptitiously taken at the last AmRen conference. So Hope Not Hate is a distant third.
I just hope that for my next appearance in The New York Times the lighting will be better.
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On the Jewish origins of Hope not Hate and its progenitor organisation Searchlight:
https://diversitymachtfrei.wordpress.com/2015/12/05/the-islamophobiaphobia-industry-hope-not-hate-tries-to-sell-report-warning-about-counterjihad-movement/
One of Searchlight’s operatives was a founding member of the BNP and was in charge of ferreting out moles all the while being the biggest mole. His name is Ray Hill:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqmnRNcR3Bw
MI5 used a similar tactic with the IRA – the guy in charge of extracting confessions from alleged spies who were then executed was an MI5 agent called Freddie Scappaticci.
This is the reason Nick Griffin’s former body guard Joe Owens accuses everyone of being a spy. There no doubt probably are leaders in the movement who work for the opposition and people need to be careful with their words at all times. Tact seems to be sorely lacking in some quarters. Though Joe seems overly paranoid, he does make good points — ten people handing out flyers or leafleting an area for a legit political party is 100 times better than 1000 people turing up to some rally or march which the media will spin against them.
The political class won’t change until they are face with losing their political power.
I’ve heard that Ray Hill managed to swindle a Jewish businessman. He evidently wasn’t lacking in chutzpah.
I had the same reaction to ‘Erik’. He played his part well enough, though he did seem a bit too effeminate, and in hindsight didn’t greet other attendees with reciprocal enthusiasm. It’s now easy to see how he was hiding behind a smile.
I can’t hate someone like him, though. Ultimately he is the Way he is because of a combination of wiring and liberal ideas, and the biggest takeaway for me from his report is how intimidated he was. The more sophisticated people understand what we’re saying, the ‘scarier’ we will become.
Some of these guys will go under cover and then come over to our side after realizing how much sense we make.
I don’t doubt it.
What I usually do at events or meetups is try and talk about the stuff I’ve done or seen that adds value, rather than just repeat alt-right memes or complain about the state of the world.
Being able to talk about non-white nationalist related subjects (painting, Buddhism, nutrition, and so on) while setting an unspoken pro-white frame could be a powerful recruitment tool.
Ironic as I went to the trouble of travelling up for a meeting with Stead in London so he could run security on me. I couldn’t make the forum in the end for family reasons but was disappointed to not meet Woes and Adam ( who appears to have disappeared.)
There were women at the meeting which was a surprise but I still don’t know if I believe they were legit. Also Steads eccentric attire was slightly bemusing, not sure if it was trolling or just to aid recognition.
Based Steadman dresses to win, he needs the freedom of movement to physically remove antifa.
This did demonstrate what was known before, and that is that much of the Alt-Right has problems with keeping a straight face and not resorting to immediately quoting the wildest prophecies of Miguel Serrano in all the wrong ways. There’s a lot to be criticized here, but also, there’s been way too much pessimism and criticism as well. Whoever has demonstrated to be more clumsy should bear the burden of his own mistakes personally.
This wasn’t a bad appearance Mr. Johnson, minus the shorts.
Shorts – and the wrong color. Beige is not an Aryan’s friend.
Hope Not Hate spent all that money to get a shot of Greg in shorts on a hot day. Great work, guys!
Greg
What the hell is “just genic” , as quoted by Hope not Hate, supposed to mean? These Leftards make amoeba seem intellectual (with due apologies to amoeba for the insensitive comparison).
Like Julius Caesar, setbacks will just spur us on. Experience is the most efficient educator and the best creator of character. Persistence pays off providing we are willing to learn and adapt. And this goes for the organisational skills. Welcome new people, but trust your instincts. Volto sciolto, pensieri stretti should be the motto, for the outcome of this war will not be dependent upon numbers, money, might, resources, not even upon willpower or ruthlessness. All those things can be acquired, or lost, be useful or harmful, depending on the quality of the minds that wield them. No, in the final analysis, the outcome of this war will depend on the relative quality of minds on either side. The side with the best minds will win. And we are going to win.
I think this helps our side. This Erik character comes across as a self righteous liar and weasel and you come across as a a reasonable, honest person.
Also, you’re just as telegenic as Richard Spencer. Now you can be more at the forefront of the movement.
Yeah, Greg – you are above average in appearance. I kinda wondered if you might not want a public profile because you were unattractive – not true! Now that you’ve been “outed” you might want to consider doing video interviews. You would make a great spokesman and the rats would regret that they ever got you to go public.
I agree with this stuff. Greg, you are a vast light to the movement, and do such amazing work that we are all extremely grateful for, use this episode to your advantage. Start doing some videos with guests and stuff as Counter-Currents TV. We have to turn their hate and fear into our gain.
Greg, I hate to break it to you but I found your image on the internet a few months back. Your OpSec was not as tight as you think!
I have a suspicious feeling Daniel Freiberg had something to do with this, seeing as he’s known to be friendly with Swedish Antifa and as he’s threatened to doxx people before.
I feel sorry for Stead Steadman as well. He must be kicking himself over this.
Ultimately, however, this is going to be a just drop in the bucket of all the media hate, lies, intimidation, doxxing and “expose’s” we’ve been facing and will continue to face in the future.
It’s quite simple, nobody with a chin like that should be trusted. This confirms the old insult a ‘chinless wonder’. Guys like that have no testosterone and are highly prone to homosexuality, as this one himself admits.
In this world, there have always been sniveling little creeps like this Patrik Hermansson, who we now learn , infiltrated our meetings and spied upon us. Well, one of Christ’s disciples, Judas Iscariot, was a traitor who betrayed and sold out Jesus Christ for thirty pieces of silver. Judas Iscariot then hanged himself and is burning in Hell for all time to come, we are informed. May this be the fate of all such trash and traitors.
This fag didn’t even get his 30 pieces of silver. He probably had to settle for a shot at the dusty muff of some harpy who will start her transition as soon as he noodles her leftcunt. Sweden needs to experience a genetic bottleneck that only men made of sterner stuff than this weasel will survive.
For the record, lots of Swedes have this Elvin type chin. I’m one of them, to a degree. Physiognomy is real and everything, but I don’t want to get cold shouldered on account of this general biometric if I ever make the trek to a conference.
As angering as this all is, it is worth keeping in mind that the (((media))) really do not have much else. They know that in the realm of ideas they have been and will continue to be utterly destroyed regardless of the issue so all they can do is bully and try to make our lives uncomfortable. But that is hardly a strategy for victory. Quite the opposite. This will reflect poorly on them in the present and provide them nowhere to go in the future. It is no surprise that journalists (the sad, low-IQ, little foot soldiers of international Jewry) are incapable of thinking long term but it should be obvious to anyone with half a brain that if we are all doxed we will only become stronger. They can waste their time and money trying to get all of us but if they succeed they will be left only with a mass of very smart and very angry whites on every block and every street corner of every white country.
As for this little prick feeling scared? My God. I have never known a group with a higher percentage of smart and genuinely warm and friendly people as those I have met in real life in this movement. Our enemy’s inability to perceive reality is truly astounding.
Greg, I am very sorry that this happened to you personally but all they did in the long term was increase your power level and expose new people to the best White Nationalist website around. You came across very well. I even liked the shorts. #ComfyRight
An idea: assuming that you will get many emails from normies and hostiles, perhaps post a selection of them with no identifying information as one piece and let CC readers decimate their arguments for the public to see.
The European Race is made up of peoples who are innately honest to a fault.
Being duped by a frail, meatless bread face shouldn’t setback the incredible progress we are making into the collective consciousness of the mainstream.
This is good. I will get to see what you guys look like and your mannerisms.
I was in London recently. I was informed of the statistics on knife attacks and acid attacks in London and surprise surprise, the demographic profile is exactly similar to that in the US, only there seem to be a much higher proportion of black on white attacks. Also, the bomb that fizzled in the subway happened. I just can’t wrap my cerebral cortex around the mentality that would actively import these social problems and inflict them upon its own people. In the US these problems were at least part of the original sin of the civilization, so we can’t entirely help them, but for the U.K., gosh.
Clue: the ultimate architects of these policies don’t think of Britons as their “own people.”
Precisely. The concept of nation-as-extended-family-tree is anathema to globalists of all stripes.
What? They are Jews. Not Britons.
I suspect the welsh. Chaffing of centuries of Anglo Saxon suzerainty, they seek to destabilize English society out of sheer spite. Much like American southerners can’t get over the civil war and won’t let black lives matter, the anger of territorial loss to the English leads them to control the media and dump this crap on the poor English peasants.
Our traditional code of honour always told us that we should “have the courage of our convictions”. So what is it with this “doxing”? If we can’t say what we think openly and honestly, better we keep quiet than appear cowardly and duplicitous.
@Michael L Woodbridge
> “have the courage of our convictions”. So what is it with this “doxing”? If we can’t say what we think openly and honestly, better we keep quiet than appear cowardly and duplicitous.
You lose your office job (in any place with an HR department), is why. Unless you want every alt-righter to have to work in the trades or quickly figure out how to start a business before we run out of savings, you have to let us keep to our safe spaces.
It’s easier said than done, but we have to be stronger than our fears.
Our fears of losing our jobs, losing our friends, losing the respect of our families, our fear of pain.
We have to be stronger than the fear of death, because that’s what is staring is down.
Even more material to write about; I gave a bit of a backlog.
Two quick comments here.
First, I am sorry that Greg and others had this bad experience with the low-rent piece of dishonest trash Hermansson.
Second, I’ve been involved with the “movement” since the mid-90s, and I must say that this sort of thing happens with distressing regularity. WNs too nice? Too trusting? Yes, but also horrificly bad security. There needs to be a careful evaluation of this case. How did Hermansson pass the “extreme vetting?” What went wrong? There also needs to be accountability. Hermansson was recommended by “Stead Steadman” (whoever that is). Very well. Why? What credentials did Hermansson have that impressed Steadman to his sincerity? Without accountability and without responsibility, nothing will ever change.
And can I suggest that “newcomers to the movement” not be invited to private events? Unfair to those who are sincere? Yes, but too bad. Perhaps a higher level of personal interaction needs to be earned.
Ted writes, “this sort of thing happens with distressing regularity. WNs too nice? Too trusting? Yes, but also horrificly bad security. There needs to be a careful evaluation of this case. How did Hermansson pass the “extreme vetting?” What went wrong? There also needs to be accountability. Hermansson was recommended by “Stead Steadman” (whoever that is). Very well. Why? ”
Speaking from experience, I know that Stead and all others who help organise our WN meetings do take care of who is invited to attend. However, unless the audience is restricted to just the same persons each time (and we were all new-comers once) , how is the movement ever to grow ?
One take the point, there are people who do have a lot to lose and want to keep their identities private. However the speakers at these events who act as spokesmen for our cause and who give witness to our believes, they should want exposure and, in theory at least, welcome publicity from all quarters. This is the point that Michael Woodbridge is making in his comment here.
Of course, one understands and accepts that the main speakers at our events may choose to employ a nom de politique and my require that their contribution be published as a sound recording rather than a filmed video recording. This is all quite legitimate; one understands the difficulties of our struggle. But at the end of the day, these little creeps such Erik Hellberg/ Patrik Hermansson and the New York Times (goodness, aren’t we going up in the world), serve to advance our viewpoint; which is what it is all about, is it not ?
Here’s what I noticed upon reading Greg’s “take” on the incident. First, that these events are said to have “extreme vetting” – indeed Steadman’s vetting is said to be tough enough that legitimate activists couldn’t get to see Woes. OK, fine. But then I read that an Antifa infiltrator, claiming to be a “movement newcomer” and with a weak cover story, gets in with ease, and gets to meet and interview top Alt Right figures. Now, upon reading that I had an idea of what may have happened, at least unconsciously, and having the rat crowing publicly on how he and his Antifa friends leveraged his ethnicity to appeal to certain “movement” let us say “preferences” confirmed my suspicions.
“However, unless the audience is restricted to just the same persons each time (and we were all new-comers once) , how is the movement ever to grow ?”
Want newcomers? Then have vetting that goes beyond “hey, look at that there Nordic Swede.” What’s next? I guess Antifa can dig up some attractive blonde Scandinavian women for infiltration, and I’m sure they’ll be able to record quite interesting material indeed. Marriage offers?
There has to be accountability. This was a screw-up. Hold those responsible accountable or it will happen again.
Ted,
This will be your last comment here. You’ve got your own blog for your embittered rants. You no longer have anything constructive to contribute.
Greg Johnson
Nooo, please don’t block ted.
Ted Sallis has long struck me as being a fascist of the puritan type, to use Maurice Bardèche’s characterization of René Binet. He can be a highly analytical and incisive thinker, but he’s also extremely irascible and obsessive in relation to a host of bêtes noires.
Here’s the thing: The accompanying video excerpts in the NYT piece, which we can reasonably assume are among the most ‘salacious’, aren’t all that shocking.
Of the two, Greg’s comments are nothing you wouldn’t otherwise find in his writings here at Counter-Currents. Jorjani’s comments include a Hitler-on-Europe’s-future-currency quote that will easily be taken out of context, but the rest is the sort of healthy, blustery, political, bar room banter and speculation one finds many normies doing each and every weekend.
What this episode reaffirms is how the allure of ‘undercover footage’ has a higher, second-order propaganda value than the actual words being said. It’s classic McLuhan ‘media is the message’ stuff… part of Propaganda 101. It’s why Romney’s “47%” comment, were it limited to words in print, or even if it were filmed openly and officially for all the world to see, would not have been all that controversial or shocking. But make it part of an ‘undercover video’, recorded at a private function (in front of political donors no less!), and suddenly media elites are gasping breathlessly, and the story has legs for months and months when it otherwise wouldn’t.
On a sidenote: I had to chuckle at the Jorjani clip’s use of black and white video and the accompanying eerie background music, presumably intended to signify malevolence. It’s similar to the tiresome way that, for example, Frontline shows Dick Cheney in black and white, against similar soundtrack music, but with the added effect of Will Lyman’s brooding and self-important voice. Patrik Hermansson, however, ain’t no Will Lyman.
Was it necessary to use a hidden camera to record those Greg Johnson’s sayings?
He was perfectly able to use a lot of information from C-C articles… for free.
Yes, but he needed an excuse to spend Hope Not Hate’s money.
In retrospect, doesn’t his pretext for the interviews fail the smell test? I mean a converged university is going to support research putting the Alt Right in a sympathetic light (as victims of doxxing, harassment, etc.)? Very unlikely
Standing back for a moment, this Antifa guy is particularly evil given that he tried to win over confidence with faux empathy for political dissidents social marginalization…..knowing all the while that his agenda was to smear & doxx. A Vile Creature Indeed.
There are a number of people in our circles writing theses and dissertations that deal with our politics and allied topics. So no, I did not think his project was implausible.
Indeed. Shouldn’t “extreme vetting” include such double checking? Compare this: “Stead actually has a reputation for being too strict in his vetting procedures, which made it impossible for some of Millennial Woes’ fans to see him speak at the May Forum” with the ease in which an Antfa infiltrator, posing as “movement newcomer” with a relatively flimsy cover story, eases right into the meetings and gets to mingle with activist insiders.
I often praise the attacks against us, because I understand that we are going to win not despite these attacks, but precisely because of them. This is a system that was already used by Hitler and was later appropriated by Alinsky in Rules for Radicals. Their attacks are fueling our movement.
–Adolf Hitler 1933
From the NY Times article:
“Mr. Hermansson, who was sent undercover by the British anti-racist watchdog group Hope Not Hate, spent months insinuating himself into the alt-right, using his Swedish nationality (many neo-Nazis are obsessed with Sweden because of its “Nordic” heritage) as a way in.”
Hermansson also claims on tape that Steadman is obsessed with “Germanic paganism” also making the Nordic heritage more enticing.
Further comment (here) is superfluous.
Given the state Sweden is in, I really wonder how guys like this one have nothing better to do with their miserable lifes. I mean, it can hardly get any worse, no? (Well, in fact, yes, and it will).
It is always the same thing: because they cannot combat you with arguments, they try to hit you at some personal level, usually by “revealing” something non-important.
The August 2017 Northwest Summit was my first-ever in-real-life (IRL) meet up. I was grateful to go. With the blinding-acid attacks of Charlottesville radicals fresh in my mind, I wore a pen-camera when I approached the meeting spot. I arrived alone, but fully prepared to defend myself. Should the need arise, I was glad to have the pen-camera to back up the truth.
When I went to review the footage, I found out that my cheap pen-camera only recorded my exiting my car.
Hidden cameras are cheap and easily acquired. We should have expected this. The existence of this infiltrator signifies our success.
In checking their website, I noted HopeNotHate is a corporation, but fails to list more details. I wonder (((who))) is on their board of directors, and where they get their funding?
He should get a job with The Guardian.
Well, you looked great, regardless of the lighting.
The monotone voice indicates a psychiatric symptom.
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