Podcast No. 5
Greg Johnson, “Money for Nothing” &
Kevin MacDonald, “The Jewish Question Today”
48 minutes/2,662 words
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KMac: Thank you. I thought what I’d do, to talk about the Jewish Question right now, [is to update the Preface] I wrote to the paperback edition of Culture of Critique back in 2002. There are a lot of different aspects to the Jewish Question. I think it’s a complicated, multifaceted kind of thing. I thought I’d just update what’s happening, how has Jewish power and influence have changed in the past ten years.
The first thing I talked about was Jewish domination of the media. I was talking about what percentage of the big companies and people creating content and so on are Jewish. That hasn’t changed. So we still see a huge percentage of anti-Christian messages, anti-White messages, anti-stereotyping messages about Blacks, Mexicans, and so on. So certainly there hasn’t been any positive change in the past 10 years as far as the media goes.
The other issue I talked about that’s related to that is that Jewish organizations were taking a very large role in trying to censor the internet. Seeing the internet is the way of the future, it’s probably the biggest weapon we have these days, I was saying in this area that the Jewish organizations have not really gotten what they want. The First Amendment is a major barrier to them. If you look at other countries of the world — in Australia, Europe, and so on — Jewish organizations routinely support laws against free speech: Holocaust denial laws, and all kinds of hate speech laws, and so on. They’ve not really been able to do that in America, although a recent hate crime law in Congress was pushed by the ADL. They are trying certainly to go in that direction, but I think we have a very strong Supreme Court at this point. It’s a 5 to 4 majority. If Obama gets another appointment, I’m not sure at all that that would hold.
The other thing I talked about was the rise of the political Right in Israel. In Israel now you’ve got probably the most racialist, right-wing government in its history. As Mark [Weber] was talking about, you have apartheid. You have ethnic cleansing. You have all these laws that discriminate against the Palestinians. You have these fundamentalist settler groups that are very mainstream, not at all fringe elements in Israeli society; they are very much a political power; they are actually the power behind the present situation within Israel.
We also talked about the power of the Israel Lobby in the United States, as Mark was also mentioning. Since 2002 we’ve had the book by John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt, The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy. I think that was a very major event. But, at the same time, we still have the war in Iraq; we’ve got huge pressure now for some kind of dealing with Iran, as Mark was saying when Benjamin Netanyahu came to America he had 29 or 30 standing ovations. Just this summer, 81 members of Congress went on junkets to Israel, paid for by a Jewish activist organization. So Congress is still very much Israel-occupied territory, you might say. I don’t think that has changed.
I also talked about the ADL as a sort of policeman organization. It was discussed how they were favoring these open immigration laws. They were congratulating Germany because they got rid of biological descent in immigration. They thought that was just wonderful. Of course, with Israel it’s been different.
Since 2002 it’s become very clear that the Southern Poverty Law Center is a sort of de facto Jewish organization. You look at where the money comes from, who the main officers are, its policies and so on. It is certainly very similar to mainstream policies of the Jewish community. It really is a Jewish activist organization.
These organizations are very well-funded. Approximately 30 to 50 million dollars per year are going into them. Several articles on VDare have talked about the huge slush fund that the Southern Poverty Law Center has: close to 200 million dollars now. They are extremely well-funded, and all that money is being used against us. There are trivial amounts of money that are being channeled towards White causes. This is one of our biggest problems, that the anti-White movements are funded just lavishly, whereas we are scrapping.
And of course, the fact is that right now things are sort of on autopilot. It’s not like they’re really worried about anything. If things really got bad, you would see huge amounts of money pouring in to organizations like the SPLC, the ADL, and other organizations of the Left.
The other thing that was talked about is the role of Jews in Communism, which has sort of been papered-over. Certainly Jews were the backbone of the Left in the 20th century, they had a huge role in Communism in the Soviet Union, and that’s pretty much been papered-over. Since I wrote that in 2002 we’ve had books by Yuri Slezkine, The Jewish Century, discussing the role of Jews in the Soviet Union, and Alexander Solzhenitsyn’s Two Hundred Years Together, both excellent books that provided an even firmer foundation for the idea that Jews played a prominent, critical role in the Soviet Union, at least up until the end of World War II.
And yet again, that kind of thinking has not really penetrated into the popular consciousness. You don’t see academics talking that way, and it’s not in the media. Again, that’s one of the roles of the ADL and the SPLC: to absolutely and very rigorously police the media. These are the policemen out there. They are very closely integrated with the police departments, with the FBI, all levels of the federal government. This is a very major sort of Jewish power in America.
I also talked about the culture of the Holocaust as being pervasive. Pervasive in the school system. Pervasive in the media. There are so many movies being made with those themes every year. The Holocaust has become an instrument of Jewish ethnic interests, intended to create moral revulsion at violence against ethnic groups, prototypically the Jews, but also as an instrument to silence opponents of high levels of non-White immigration into Western countries. It’s been institutionalized as an American icon. This is entirely the result of Jewish influence on culture, in the media, and the academic world.
One issue that is pretty new is that in Europe we have seen the rise of nationalist parties. I think this is a very, very encouraging sign. I think if the revolution comes, and I think it will come eventually, it’s going to start in Europe. You see now the rise of parties that are explicitly anti-Muslim. They’re certainly not talking in racialist terms. These parties have tried to make alliances with pro-Israel politicians. Most of them are very strongly philo-Semitic. Gert Wilders is a paradigm in that regard. He’s been to Israel a number of times. He’s very pro-Israel, and yet he’s anti-immigration. So far, it does seem he’s been condemned by the organized Jewish community.
The organized Jewish community is not going for the idea that supporting Israel is enough. They basically want to have their cake and eat it too; that is, they want to have high levels of immigration, even if that includes some Muslims. They want a housebroken Islam, an Islam that won’t be too concerned about that’s going on in Israel, that won’t be terrorists and all that. But they are moving ahead in that direction. The organized Jewish community is not supporting the parties in Europe that are against Muslim immigration at all. I think only about 2% of Jews are doing this.
But this is definitely a new issue, and there are some politicians in Israel that have gone for this, because they see Israel as being more and more isolated. You’ve got the BDS movement — the Boycott, Divestment, and Sanction movement — right now, which has been pretty effective. Israel I think does feel more under threat than ever before. They feel isolated, certainly. It’s very common in Europe. Actually, one of the aspects of the slaughter in Oslo was the fact that the party being attacked was very left-wing, very anti-Israel. So this is pretty common.
It’s pretty mainstream in Europe to be anti-Israel. They’re honest leftists. They can see the ethnic cleansing. They can see the apartheid. And it bothers them. Now, of course that’s different from us. We’re honest Rightists, and we want our own nationalism. But at the same time, that is one of the important trends.
I guess that’s the main way that I see what the Jewish Question is today. I would say that in general — this is the way I concluded in 2002 and I think it’s still true today — the present Judaized cultural imperium in the West is maintained by basic thought control propagated by the mass media and extended to self-censorship by academics, politicians, and others well aware of the personal and professional consequences of crossing the boundaries of acceptable thought and behavior. It’s maintained by zealously promulgated, self-serving, essentially false theories of the history and nature of Judaism and the history and causes of anti-Semitism.
The fact is that Jewish populations have always had tremendous influences on the society that they have lived among. In the 15thcentury if you were in Spain, that was the most important issue. Jews that supposedly converted to Christianity rose to the highest levels of society and were dominating everything. [Thus] you had anti-Semitism. Certainly in Europe in the 20thcentury and certainly in the late 19thcentury, the Jewish rise to prominence in commerce, in the media, in industry, and everything else had a huge impact on causing tensions in those societies. Nothing has changed there.
So my perception is that the organized Jewish community is moving aggressively ahead. They’re very aggressive. I think that [this is] the typical stance, of especially Eastern European Jews. Paul Gottfried, among many others, says that [there is a difference] between Eastern and Western European Jews. I think you can over-emphasize that. But the reality is that Eastern European Jews seem to be more aggressive, more hostile towards the traditional people and cultures of the world, especially the United States and Europe. And concerned about the history of anti-Semitism and so on. And Jews are especially at the top rung of our society, as Mark was saying. There is no more powerful group that we can single out ethnically in any other way.
When I wrote [my Preface] I said that Jews were 25% of the Forbes list of wealthiest Americans. Well, now it’s more like 37%, and it’s just ten years later. If you’re on that list you’ve got to have at least a billion dollars, around there. So think about it. You’ve got close to 800 billion dollars just among those 137 Jews, or 37% of 400. It’s an enormous amount of money that again, when push comes to shove, would be used against our interests. So this is a very formidable enemy.
The Jewish Question is with us, and anybody who’s not really thinking in those terms [needs to]. You don’t have to talk about it. But if you’re not realizing that this is the 800-pound gorilla in the room when you’re talking about immigration, when you’re talking about multiculturalism, when you’re talking about American foreign policy, this is pretty much the group that you can’t offend. And their interests are not at all the same as ours.
Question: What are we doing wrong? I’m looking at Muslim countries, especially Iran, the most obvious example, that have had Jewish minorities living there for centuries, like in Tehran. And yet they don’t run the country. How do they manage that?
KMac: That’s an interesting historical and cultural question. The reality is that Jewish groups were pretty much kept down in Muslim countries. There’s a mythology that Jews and Muslims get along really well, and there’s a multicultural paradise. But in reality, that’s simply not the case. And especially as history ground on, towards the 20thcentury, Jewish populations were very much oppressed in the Muslim world. There was no fear of Jews, and there was no hatred really. It was just that they were to be kept out. The problem in Europe, of course, has been the Enlightenment, and the relative lack of ethnocentrism, universalism, and all these ideals that prevented it. If you go to the Middle Ages, there were certainly times and places Jews had to wear special clothing; they had to be a certain ghetto; they were restricted to certain things. But you stopped seeing that with the Enlightenment, with Jewish emancipation, rising to the top economically, in cultural positions, in the academic world, and so on. That’s been the problem.
Follow up: So I’m assuming you’re saying they keep them out of the professions where they could acquire power?
KMac: Yes. They had very clear group boundaries. And that has happened in Western societies at some times and places, but since the Enlightenment it’s been spottier and spottier, and certainly now if you were to suggest that it would transgress against all Enlightened ideas. You can’t do that.
Question: My question is twofold: I’ve seen increasingly in the past few years a growing number of Jews who are anti-Zionists: Jewish groups who are willing to speak out against the Israel Lobby. I think Mearsheimer and Walt were the beginning of that [which does not imply that they are Jews–Ed.]. I know there is a group called J-Street which is opposing AIPAC, and kind of wants to replace AIPAC. What are your thoughts on that?
The second part of my question is regarding ethno-nationalism. It seems to me that in the end there are two answers to the Jewish Question. One is Theodore Hertzl’s answer, which is that all the Jews go to Israel and they have their own state. If they continue to exist as a Diaspora in White countries there’s always going to be a conflict because they support their own interests. The only other way that we can win aside from sending Jews back to Israel is for something to happen like what happened in World War II. And I just wonder, I’ve been asking myself should White Nationalists support Zionism to some extent, if we can get all the Jews to go back to Israel?
KMac: I actually proposed that, and it angered a lot of people. But the idea was if you could actually get the organized Jewish community behind an anti-immigration thing, and in return we would support Israel, I’d go for that deal. The main thing is getting rid of immigration.
The first one it is true that there have been some high profile articles by, I think David Brooks was one of them, talking about the fact that young Jews are disaffected and disconnected from Israel and less gung-ho. And now within Israel there’s a lot of malaise in Israel economically, people are having a hard time making ends meet, and there’s a lot of difficulties there.
But again I don’t think it’s really affected the source of Jewish power. AIPAC is still AIPAC. J-Street is still a marginal player, at best. And they are not really anti-Israel. They certainly are a softer line on Israel, but they’re still Zionists. I think they want a two-state solution,they’re critical of settlements, and so on. But if you look at the Jewish community in general, when Netanyahu came over and there was a big kerfuffle with Obama and they were at odds with each other, it got papered-over pretty fast. And it hasn’t really changed fundamental US policy. So a lot of this is smoke without really showing any difference in the basic reality of Jewish power, which is firmly behind AIPAC, and AIPAC is firmly behind the right-wing in Israel. They are pro-settler, and basically they’re supporting Israel to the hilt.
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