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Van Morrison
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The new groups are not concerned
With what there is to be learned.
They got Burton suits. Ha!
You think it’s funny?
Turning rebellion into money. — The Clash, “White Man in Hammersmith Palais”
Is it not wonderful to see Britain still shining as a beacon of youthful rock ‘n’ roll rebellion, with bands telling it like it is and generally sticking it to The Man? Oh, wait. My mistake. I was thinking of 1979. Now, Albion’s pop stars tend to keep their mouths shut when they are not singing inanities.
Loose lips sink ships, as the old British WW2 motto said. Now, an off-message Tweet and it’s your career that is sunk. Best to stick with woke drivel. Today, in Cool Britannia, if you want your musicians to bite back against the establishment, it seems you have to go to the old guard.
But before we inspect the troops — aka Eric Clapton and Van Morrison, aka Slowhand and Van, aka The Rebels — I mentioned 1979. The late 70s were a spicy time for politically relevant pop songs. The Clash sang about riots, prostitute Janie Jones, London Metropolitan police drug sting Operation Julie, and being a white man in Hammersmith Palais. They were hardly sage, however, as Remote Control illustrates:
Who needs the parliament?
Sitting making laws all day.
Actually, lads, everyone needs the parliamentary principle unless you would rather live in an African shithole. Much as I liked the band, their sloganeering was cartoon-level. The only reason Clash fans have heard of Nicaraguan political thugs the Sandinistas is because Sandinista was the title of the fourth Clash album. Bad move lads, by the way. I have played with Nicaraguan musicians who fled their home country in the late 70s because the Sandinistas hated music.
Leeds band Gang of Four had a song called “Armalite Rifle,” about a notorious gun used by British forces in Northern Ireland. The marvellous Howard Devoto, with his band Magazine, wrote a song about the Kennedy assassination, “Motorcade.”(Incidentally, if that song has never been used as a horror movie score, Hollywood has a tin ear). The Sex Pistols wrote possibly the most Conservative anti-abortion song of all time, “Bodies.”
It’s not an animal.
It’s an abortion . . .
A gurgling bloody mess . . .
I don’t want a baby that looks like that.
She don’t want a baby that looks like that . . .
The astonishing end to that song — featuring Steve Jones’s fiercest guitar work — sees Johnny Rotten pathetically screaming “Mummy!” I defy you not to be moved. Even the fact that a band I personally find dire and you hear all the bloody time here in Costa Rica, UB40, took their name from the form you used to require in Britain to claim unemployment benefits tells you that something metapolitical was in the air as 70s spilled over into 80s.
Margaret Thatcher was not popular with the popsters, with The Beat singing “Stand Down Margaret” and Morrissey beginning his solo career with an album whose final song was “Margaret on the Guillotine.” Politics and metapolitics and pop. Don’t touch that dial.
The Raincoats sang about domestic abuse. Morrissey penned a song about Britain’s notorious Moors murderers, Myra Hindley and Ian Brady. The Jam sang about public school boys (who still, bafflingly, run the UK), British defense spending, and the media. The Stranglers were able to release a song called “I Feel Like a Wog.” Imagine that now from a white band. The Stranglers were the only band, incidentally, that you could actually smell live in 1979 as well as watch.
And since then? Near silence. Modern pop, dominated as it is by the very worst elements of black “music,” hasn’t had a decent (meta)political lyric in years. Marvin Gaye’s song “What’s Going On” has more to say politically in three minutes than the hugely trousered goons and vulgar sluts who provide today’s vile pop doggerel. So, if you want political statement, something rock and roll used to be quite good at, forget the kids. Ask grandad.
Van Morrison, Eric Clapton, and Roger Waters have their craggy features engraved in rock’s equivalent of Mount Rushmore. Recently, they have all stuck their heads above the parapet, making comments and even recording songs that other rock stars would blanch at. Political speechifying is not new, of course. Just look at the singer of the world’s most over-rated band, U2. Listening to what he has to say on any political subject makes me wish he would stick to singing, as wretched as that prospect is.
Eric Clapton
Clapton and Morrison have made a very explicit statement about the naked power grab going on in the UK under the covering fire of COVID. A mention in despatches, however, is due to former Pink Floyd bassist and songwriter Roger Waters. Whatever you think of Julian Assange, Waters’ advocacy has been brave and forthright. But he is the warm-up act for Slowhand and Van.
Van Morrison has been vocal — in both senses — about Britain’s absurd lockdown laws for some time, and now he has something to say about the “vaccine.” I use scare quotes because anyone who has spent more than two or three minutes investigating this snake-oil big pharma money-spinner will know that it is not a vaccine in that it doesn’t vaccinate against but merely ameliorates the effects of COVID-19. Also, and this is the case in Britain so I don’t vouch for elsewhere, but when I worked for the NHS and talked to pharmacists, I was told many times that vaccines had to be tested for seven years, by law. This one seems to have been done in a couple of months. And news of the adverse effects, and accompanying statistics, won’t be coming to a MSM outlet near you any time soon. My Russian friend, with her trademark finality, believes the vaccine jab is nanotechnology designed to micro-chip us all like pet dogs. The way the world is right now, I wouldn’t bet against her. However, music maestros!
Van the Man is a notorious curmudgeon. For my English readers (of a certain age), he makes Victor Meldrew look like Timmy Mallet. For my American cousins, he makes Lou Reed look like Glen Campbell. Now the doughty Irish singer and writer has simply done what he does with regards to the vaccine; he wrote a song about it. Then he got his mate Eric Clapton to record it.
Now, let’s make one thing clear. Van Morrison’s song “Stand and Deliver” is not to be confused with the dire pantomime of the same name by Adam & the Antz. I once served Adam Ant in a Covent Garden restaurant and had a pleasant conversation with him during which I deemed it unnecessary to mention that everything he recorded after the band’s extraordinary debut Dirk Wears White Sox was a great disappointment to me. Even that album had a metapolitical song, “Table Talk” being about Hitler.
No, this “Stand and Deliver” is a serviceable blues piece. I have never been a great fan of Clapton’s voice — it is as though he has no diaphragm, which Van Morrison most assuredly has — and I never went for Cream (whereas I would walk a barefoot mile to listen to Free on a jukebox) but the whole piece could have been an outtake from Exile on Main Street. It has some spit in the guitar and some honky tonk piano. I like it. It points fingers and it makes statements, something the musical youth of the UK have signally failed to do.
Exile on Main Street. That reminds me. Just as Van the Man and Slowhand have stirred up controversy with their anti-vax ditty, that mincing turkeycock who still fronts The Strolling Bones has recorded his own take on an untested medication the deleterious effects of which are being kept from the klieg lights of the MSM. Clarity is required in such an undertaking.
And I can’t understand it.
Jagger roped in Dave Grohl to record “Easy Sleazy,” and I have listened to it so you don’t have to. Jagger seems himself to think it is 1979, and to see himself as some sort of ghost of punk rock past. It is a very strange, toppy, shapeless song, with stray Chuck Berry riffs tacked on like Post-It notes, and in terms of the lyrics, pretty much a dog’s dinner. I would be much more interested to know what Keith Richards thinks of the whole beggars’ banquet that is the British government’s handling of the pandemic. Keith has always been less mealy-mouthed than Mick. When French auteur movie director Jean-Luc Godard famously filmed The Stones recording “Sympathy for the Devil” for a film entitled One Plus One, Keith got to see it before Mick, who asked Richards what he thought of the movie. Keith was clear in his reply. “It’s shit. But we look good.”
Van Morrison, via his mouthpiece Clapton, has a similarly clear message. They put the fear on you, the song opens. There is even an echo of the Pistols’ famous Anarchy in the UK when Clapton sings,
Is this a sovereign state
Or just a police state?
And you will wait a while before some gurning grime artist sings anything as simplistically effective as;
Magna Carta, Bill of Rights,
The Constitution. What’s it worth?
Hey, old-timer. Pull up a chair. Join us.
Of course, when you are worth the combined wealth of Morrison, Clapton and Waters, you have no job to lose, and so your professional freedom of speech is assured. But it is still refreshing to see the old geezers doing the job the boys should be doing.
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The “Vaccine” should just be declared a victory and the war over. Draw a line under the 2020 episode. In September TpTb are going to roll out perpetual testing. This is going to be the real problem once the regime is scaled up.
If the vaccines don’t work we are doomed to perpetual invasive testing. Can’t we just pretend they cure a pretend disease and stop?
This vaxx will soon be mandatory (if you want to eat) and just the first of many more to come for all the new “variants,” all more deadly than the one before. Be sure to believe it all or you are an ignorant hater!! God bless these two musicians. They could have stayed quiet and they didn’t. Yes they are rich, but those who control the levers can still come for them.
Well said, and agreed.
That’s ambiguous. The issue is going to be perpetual testing because the vaccines don’t actually work. There’s a reason no attempt was ever made to cure the cold via vaccines. They can’t be made to work.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/eric-clapton-says-he-wont-play-at-shows-where-covid-19-vaccination-proof-is-required_3913011.html?utm_source=partner&utm_campaign=ZeroHedge
The Anti-Vax stuff is dumb and irritating. Hearing wrinkley rock stars who don’t matter to anybody under 60 talk about it is even worse.
The jab is fine by me. But they must stop testing blanket tests for infection once those willing to get a jab have got a jab. Declare Victory and stop testing.
That is not the way this works, not even close. No shot you are willing to take will ever be enough. The alternative will be even less than enough. You are on the big kid’s slide now and it doesn’t end until it ends.
Would have been a good idea to have an agreed alibi and move on. The right scattered into some fucking strange and odd looking rabbit holes.
On that note, Pink Floyd’s The Final Cut has some good stuff. I might write it up unless someone beats me to it.
Not me. Much as I loved the band we called in England ‘the Floyd’, it all went south for me after Animals and Wish You Were Here. You could, however, change my mind…
Go for it, please.
I actually like Desperate But Not Serious. I agree with everything else in the post
Here is a better alt-right band.
“Lockdown World” by the Marsh Family
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRs1hFoGWRs
I would walk a barefoot mile to listen to Free on a jukebox
You said your first gig was Zeppelin in 1975. My first gig was seeing Free play (in Bradford, in 1970) when All Right Now was topping the charts.
Like you, I never went for Cream. They were for the kind of pseuds who sneered when I once said I really liked The Beatles’ new single, The Ballad of John and Yoko. Apparently, that was the “commercial” side; the B-side, Old Brown Shoe, was the one the aficionados preferred.
Ah, Snooty. I’ve been meaning to have a word with you. Was it you who put me on to that novel Hill of Dreams, by Machen (I think)? If so, hats off to Snooty. I enjoyed it very much. As for Old Brown Shoe, a friend and I often amuse ourselves by Nazifying song titles, and so that – obviously – became Old Brown Shirt.
Machen’s novel was indeed my recommendation. Glad, but not surprised, you enjoyed it.
Old Brown Shirt – good one.
I have a soft spot for songs that are intended to push one viewpoint, but can be read in the opposite sense.
An infamous example is Strawbs’ Part of the Union (1973), which has been seen as either a celebration of, or a satirical attack on, union power.
So though I’m a working man
I can ruin the government’s plan
Those were the days!
Anti-vaxxism is probably the single dumbest stance the Dissident Right could take, the one most guaranteed to alienate from us the kinds of thoughtful and sober minds we must convert if we are to achieve political victory – and thus have a chance at preventing white extinction. Read on the history of epidemics, like Kathryn S.’s recent piece (which I am eagerly awaiting once past the paywall). Read McNeill, Plagues and Peoples, or Snowden, Epidemics and Society. Government arguably arose in large part as a method of organizing urban (settled, agricultural) peoples so as to combat plague outbreaks. Getting on the wrong side of the science of public health, when we on the Racial Right make more extensive use of the empirical data gathered by the life sciences than perhaps any other ideological tendency, is plain self-sabotage. Our noble race discovered the scientific method, and created every one of the sciences, including scientific medicine itself, as well as virology, immunology, and epidemiology. These vaccines are yet another moment of white racial triumph, which also benefits all mankind.
Indeed, this pandemic is a perfect opportunity to educate mainstream conserva-morons out of their excessive and facile embrace of libertarianism (which I call “the last refuge of cuckservative scoundrels”). Nearly 35 years ago I got into an argument with uber-libertarian economist Walter Block, with the great Murray Rothbard present, precisely on the topic of “liberty and disease”, using pandemics as the ultimate example of where radical libertarianism fails in the real world (though also even theoretically on this issue). I said pandemics could not be handled via the free market, at least not as effectively as they could via traditionally coercive governmental measures. I can’t recall Block’s exact response, but it was so convoluted and even untethered from biological reality (as is so much other thinking from non-ethnonationalists) that I think a doctor would have just scoffed.
The reality of plague cuts through all excessively individualist ideologies. I believe in liberty, property. free enterprise, and minimal, law-bound government. But plague forces us to acknowledge the corporate nature of man, at least physically (I would also argue psychologically, albeit a different point from what I’m advancing here). There is such a thing a “society”; the individual greatly benefits from it; and in order to preserve it, he sometimes must sacrifice some quantum of his otherwise maximal personal liberty. There is no way to design a functioning society with absolutely no coercion, as the libertarians fantasize, and prevention or stoppage of plague proves it.
The event should have been used to close borders and deport foreigns. Many of the sanitation and hygiene suggestions could have been used to comb out the nits from our collective hair so that we didn’t get lice later on.
100% agree. I have always used the issue of plague prevention as an argument in favor of sealing the borders at least against illegal immigration, as well as mandating medical tests for both legal admissions (which I’ve always opposed, except for white legal immigrants), and foreign visitors and students.
I’m inclined to agree, especially when one of the most vaccinated countries is TPAB’s beloved Israel. I mean, do dissident right anti-vaxxers think ten million Israelis are getting a placebo or something?
Utterly ridiculous comments. The article clearly points these particular vaccines are not properly tested. Furthermore there are serious questions as to the need to vaccinate so aggressively against the relatively harmless Covid-19, not to mention the incredible harms done by vaccine reactions, lockdowns and mask wearing. Furthermore why is the effectiveness of natural antibody immunity being ignored in favor of these vaccines?
This. It boggles the mind how supposedly intelligent and educated people let themselves be injected some more than sketchy experimental gene therapies when various traditional vaccine types and well-proven remedies like Ivermectine already exist.
t. former big pharma guy
A re-skim of this article (pop music does not interest me, except as background when I’m driving; it is certainly not a subject worthy of much critical investigation) showed only this reference to the vaccines’ pre-release testing:
… this is the case in Britain so I don’t vouch for elsewhere, but when I worked for the NHS and talked to pharmacists, I was told many times that vaccines had to be tested for seven years, by law. This one seems to have been done in a couple of months. And news of the adverse effects, and accompanying statistics, won’t be coming to a MSM outlet near you any time soon.
That fact does not mean these vaccines are “untested”, let alone “dangerous” or even “ineffective”. There are less sinister explanations, like dramatically expedited testing and approval when the whole world is perceived to be under viral attack. Indeed, many longstanding libertarian as well as neoliberal criticisms about the slowness of new product testing and, in the US, FDA approval, have been vindicated (and might have a salutary effect going forward in terms of making experimental therapeutics more available to desperate patients).
The rest of your statements are utter rubbish in light of the facts. There have been remarkably few adverse vaccine reactions compared to the numbers vaccinated and the generally predictable number of such reactions seen with other types of vaccination. There is little harm, and tremendous benefits, both individually and especially societally, from mask wearing. The empirical data behind this are very clear. Many lockdowns have been too extreme, if politically and medically understandable; I thought this from the beginning (although had their been perfect totalitarian lockdowns, the disease would have died out in a few weeks). Covid-19 is not “relatively harmless”; that is total internet propaganda. Talk to actual doctors, not quacks, either. There is a remarkable medical consensus on the threat here. Yes, it is random, at least for the young. Less so for the middle-aged, and not at all for the elderly. I personally know healthy young people who got very sick from it. You can easily discover info on how many middle-aged have died from it, not to mention continue to suffer sometimes miserable “long-haul” symptoms. That was never an argument for draconian lockdowns, but it is for serious personal precautions and rapid vaccine development.
Finally, you misinterpreted the central thrust of my comment, which was not written to defend vaccines per se, but to highlight the bad political optics for already dissenting movements to get on the wrong side of science (this applies to more than just nationalists; the broad American “liberty” movement, with which I mostly agree, continues to make a collective ass out of itself in the Covid crisis). We on the white Right are the ones who can make the best use of real science to advance our cause. Do names like Henry Spearman, Arthur Keith, Carleton Coon, Raymond Cattell, William Shockley, Arthur Jensen, Philippe Rushton, Richard Lynn et al mean nothing to you?! White nationalism is not only a theory of contemporary white oppression analysis, as well as a movement of white justice advocacy, but also an ideology demanding that the facts of the life sciences regarding interracial differences in cognition and temperament (and thus behavior and social outcomes), as well as of man’s evolutionary inheritance, expressed both in his innate tribalism and the sexual division of labor, be incorporated into political philosophy and public policy. When our views on these matters are too often casually dismissed as “pseudoscience”, the LAST thing we should be doing is associating ourselves with anything else that genuinely departs from the overwhelming scientific consensus, which is precisely what anti-vaxxism does.
<i>”remarkable scientific consensus”
“There have been remarkably few adverse vaccine reactions compared to the numbers vaccinated and the generally predictable number of such reactions seen with other types of vaccination.”
“There is little harm, and tremendous benefits, both individually and especially societally, from mask wearing. The empirical data behind this are very clear”
Covid-19 is not “relatively harmless”; that is total internet propaganda.
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With respect, as you are obviously an intelligent fellow, but it reads like someone who has consumed every ‘fact checking’ link pushed out there by fb, twitter and news agencies, never thought about any of it and who has been exposed to exactly zero critical contrary views from anyone, let alone credible scientists and thinkers on this topic.
It feels to me that everything you’ve written derives from that position. I say that because it seems difficult to believe an intelligent person who has done even a couple of evenings of reading and watching content on this, including reading the mainstream sources and sources these fact checkers cite would present these opinions in the particular way you have. I would also find it very unlikely that someone with a serious science background would write in this particular way.
In any case, your argument is based on the idea that these political choices are rooted in the best science and medicine possible and therefore white nationalism ought to be on the same side. I think that’s way too much of a leap.
By extension and without wishing to be morbid, it also seems to also rest on the idea that the entire purpose of science and medicine is simply to extend the lives of a small percentage of overwhelmingly old and very sick people , many of which would be deceased in a couple of years anyway for another year or so at any cost of disruption or incursion to everyone else. Ok a few from other age groups too. This line of thinking is the path to madness and injustice that we as whites are all too often the policy victims of.
But I don’t feel it has been demonstrated adequately that these political choices are rooted in the best science and the best medicine possible, rather there appears an effort to deliver a settled moral consensus into us just like a vaccine by simply rigging the game in that direction and that’s what you’re representing here.
We can debate the ‘why are they doing this’, but it seems to be rooted in a mixture of hysteria, science by committee, elite preferences, globalization, a desire for more powers over the population just as we saw after 9/11 and a convergence of pharmaceutical company goals and extremist state Lysenkoism.
Meanwhile policies that are clearly becoming more and more disconnected from medical reality are enforced by the same fact-checking-industrial-complex that seeks to murder white people.
To nail our flag to the mast of SARS-CoV-2 public health restrictions and coerced vaccines is so out of the loop of reality I think it is not only a serious tactical error, it’s one based on willful ignorance frankly.
You didn’t really rebut me. Read my various comments on this thread for a fuller view of my position. I never stated that I have a serious science background. I have no science background at all, beyond reading fairly regularly in popular science (books written by scientists and science journalists for educated non-specialists). I also like to check out Scientific American occasionally, and have also read a bit in the history of disease, esp plagues. I’ve never been on Fakebook or Twitter.
You say: “In any case, your argument is based on the idea that these political choices are rooted in the best science and medicine possible and therefore white nationalism ought to be on the same side. I think that’s way too much of a leap.” You can’t just say this. What is your evidence that masking and these vaccines are not rooted in the best scientific knowledge? You understand the scientific method, right? How about science as an institution? Do you think that doctors and scientists the world over are all, what – lying? bluffing? Why? There are people dying everywhere. Do you deny this? Those people vote or have family who do. The politicians and pharma companies have incentives to defeat the virus. Incentives are something I do understand.
White advocates, as a marginal movement, need to be really careful about optics. Our whole ideology is based on disagreements with the mainstream derived from empirical (biological) data which contradicts that mainstream (or at least major media and overclass) view of race differences and their policy implications – data gathered and analyzed using the same fundamental techniques every science, including virology, uses. To call the vaccines into question is akin to calling the theory of evolution into question. Maybe you’re correct, but the evidence so far is all on the other side.
What’s really at the root here is an extreme epistemic nihilism (ironically, very postmodernist in that regard). WNs are so used to the duplicity of the regime when it comes to racial reality, that many now assume the regime is lying about everything, all the time. But why would they lie about vaccines, esp when so many prominent people were recorded getting the vaccines? Ahh, but perhaps they were only being injected with salt water, etc.
Conspiracism requires beliefs about the ability of vague, malign persons or entities to corral and direct massive numbers of people into obeisance to the conspiracy that seem highly improbable. It’s like Holocaust denial. I’m positive there was a lot of exaggeration going on in the form of postwar Jewish media spin, continuing up to the present. But the idea that every historian investigating the concentration camp phenomenon is somehow compromised (by fear, money, malignity, idealism), and thus that the whole story is the “hoax of the century”, first, seems unlikely, and second is not really that relevant anyway to the real cause of white nationalism, which is preventing white extinction. I would say the same about Covid. Why be belligerent about our weakest positions, when we have so many powerful and more important ones (eg, on the damage of immigration, the lies of BLM, white dispossession and oppression, the criminality of antifa) to assert?
Sordello,
Hear, hear.
“Political victory”????? And I’m the crazy one because I don’t want the vacation? Good grief. Take all the experimental vaccines you like, just don’t shove it down my throat and call me names. Every last damn one of us could get vaccinated and we will literally, I promise you, never ever see “political victory” ever again. Dear Lord, I wish I was so delusional.
Umm, is there some kind of an argument in this verbal ejaculation?
Yeah. Your comments are all almost as long as the article and I’m the one with word vomit?
Once vaccine was widely available victory should have been declared and the entire episode forgotten.
The episode should never be forgotten. Never. It is a strong argument to shut down borders and to stop giving technology to alien and aggressive powers like China. Seems that the USSR wasn’t a big enough lesson. Giving such technologies to China is simply treason.
Otherwise we’ll have pandemic after “pandemic” and two gangsters like Putin and Xi threatening everyone, everywhere.
What does the White Right? It takes the worst stance imaginable making to ask yourself how much it has to do with freedom and justice and how much it is a SVR plot.
So the vaccines developed by the greatest white minds in Europe and US is dangerous while ivermectina is good because some Iranian doctors say so – they are literally spamming ncbi with stupidities like this.
So called “Anti-vaxxism” and skepticism towards the COVID 19 vaccines are not the same thing. Vaccines are not an all or nothing issue. Each vaccine can be evaluated on its merits and risks, while taking into account the unique health circumstances of the individual taking them. Choosing to take some vaccines and not others is a completely reasonable position.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22GSYziT8Is
Watch and save this video. Pro-vaccine and Pro-white are not exactly in alignment as you suggest.
You should also look at this incomplete list.
https://jewishcontributions.com/vaccination-infotable/
I am honestly suspicious of anyone who tries to imply that white people shouldn’t apply critical thinking to the COVID19 vaccines.
The same people who have lied to us thousands of times, are somehow telling the complete truth this time round? Really?
I quite agree. Doubtless some of the pandemic countermeasures will be exapted or prolonged to sinister (surveillance) purpose, but the vaccine is not one of them.
Here in Britain the recusants are mostly migrants (or their descendants) whose ignorance and superstition must be excused in the media as ‘hesitancy’ — even when they work in the ‘healthcare’ industry and should know better!
Yet it is at the same time dispiriting that our people are exercised by this largely spurious cause, and encouraging that something other than sport has motivated them to take to the streets.
The vaccine is the worst measure of all, if not the purpose that was intended from the very beginning of this charade. I’m absolutely puzzled that some people on the right still don’t see how serious and deeply political the vaccine business is.
As your comment is almost as long as my article, I feel a response is in order. I do take your point (but lack the time to read the sources you mention). I can only repeat my valid claim that there is a reason vaccines – or any intravenous/intramuscular medication – require a long testing period. ‘Anti-vaxxing’ is not a political opinion, but a perfectly reasonable response to what is essentially invasive health treatment run by government.
Thank you. I’ve sort of replied already to this above. The Covid vaccines may have been rushed, but the science underlying them has been extensively developed over a long prior period. Anyway, I’m no doctor or scientist, so I couldn’t tell you if they’re safe or not. I’m highly skeptical that nearly the whole world’s scientific and medical establishments are somehow under an ill-defined totalitarian control. There have been major disagreements on things like the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine, as well the Wuhan virus lab release (which I suspect is true). Vaccination, however, is only being questioned by very marginal medical figures. I have a couple of friends who are elite-schooled doctors, one moderately liberal, the other close to us. There is no disagreement between them regarding the desirability of getting vaccinated (and both have been, as have I, without adverse effects).
My real point, however, was about “optics”; esp that of the Racial Right being seen as anti-vaxxer. The science is totally behind vaccination (at least in general). The RR loves castigating the Left (and moderate Right) for its refusal to accept empirical findings regarding the biological substrate of observed racial differences in abilities and performance. But while we exalt sciences like psychometrics and behavioral genetics, some now want to question the immense and multivariate data informing physiology, immunology, virology, etc? Doing so makes us look like ideologues instead of tellers of unfashionable truths. Insofar as the truth is our strongest suit at the moment, I think going down this path is strategically unwise.
This is not about “anti-vaxxism” per se. If you STILL believe this you simply are refusing to look at the facts. The only sane and informed reaction is rejection. If you call this “dumb”, it is insulting and you appear pretty dumb yourself. This is about the biggest, meanest and dirtiest globalist power grab that has ever occured so far. The political, media propaganda and pharma-financial machine driving all of this is so enormous and insane, the lies and manipulations so big, that there is absolutely no way to assume anything else but a malicious intent. Or else you would have to believe that our elites are all of a sudden caring so much for our health that they are desperately forcing universal vaccination with an experimental gene therapy on every single soul on this planet, including children. At the very least this will install a Chinese style total control via vaccine passports, a social credit system and digital identitification. If this is achieved there will be no dissidence possible whatsoever. But there may be even worse implications. There have already been thousands of deaths following the vaccination, and a huge, unprecedented amount of grave side effects. As Israel and other countries with a high vaxx rate show, the vaxx doesn’t even do what is promised by our governments. The vaxxed STILL get sick and hospitalised.
This cartoon video is a good and easy introduction, you can start here to know more – and there is FAR more to it:
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/what-we-know-may-never-know-about-covid-vaccines/
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/covid-vaccine-secrets/resources/
“Where did all the rebels go?”
They’ve been retired.
Their services are no longer required.
I never understood the vax debate as it is totally irrelevant and seems like a red herring. The more people argue about the vaccines the less we’ll be talking about the anti-White Semitic system that governs us.
The right should hammer on the fact that globalism is what spread this (foreign) virus and the closing of borders hampered it – and make it an allegory for the use and effectiveness of nationalism and nation states in general. The pandemic was a real embarrassment for the open-borders lobby but so far I have yet to see any meaningful capitalization on this golden opportunity by anyone from the right. All they harp on about is this blasted vaccine. Is it fake? Real? Who cares? If it’s real, good job, you’re now slightly more resistant against a disease. If it’s fake, you’re only as bad off as you were before. Personally I believe it is a glorified flu shot and not the long-term solution that some claim it is, and I did not take shot. Not to mention there is a kind of globohomo sheep behavior in certain drones who harangue others about taking it, which makes you want to do the opposite. I understand. But it’s an irrelevancy and a distraction.
When they talk about a vaccine, talk instead about cutting the flow of immigration, fortifying the borders and setting the groundwork for stronger nation states, lest a disaster like this happens again in the future.
White people (and humans in general) have no future if they are infertile. The covid 19 vaccines (along with many other big pharma products) are designed to make us less healthy.
Modern sicknesses like drug abuse, alcohol and inceldom do more to render this generation of young men sterile than any vaccine will.
I forgot to add feminism, transgenderism and the LGBTQ industry to that list.
How can you NOT notice the pattern?
Vaccine sceptics are one of the only groups of people who experience censorship and deplatforming to a similar extent to the dissident right (the dissident right obviously gets more censorship and deplatforming).
Take the hint. They are censored because what they say goes against the systems narrative.
Care to share the evidence that you have that the vaccine will not affect fertility?
Care to share the evidence you have that it will?
Who is paying you to come up with these non sequitur?
It’s called sticking to the topic of WN, even when the conversation has turned into a huge distraction from WN. Things I say may not appear to be directly related to this specific narrative but the narrative itself is something I wish to have nothing to do with. The fact is that the vaccine stuff is irrelevant to White Nationalism. White advocates will not ride into power on the backs of the anti-vaccination movement. The covid vaccine may be a joke but the anti-vaccination movement at large is a blind reactionary gaggle of moronic (largely American) luddites governed by superstition. It’s evidence of the fact that some people cannot stop at the truth of realizing that the system is anti-white – suddenly they lend credence to all silly theories, like flat earth, UFO’s, or anti-vaccination. These people appear to have forgotten how we as human beings mastered our destiny by eradicating polio and smallpox, if I didn’t know better I’d call them anti-health and pro-disease.
Trumpism is sadly the cause of this phenomenon, as Trump was in office when the China plague hit, and the kiked-up media did everything in its power to blame Trump for it. Naturally the knee-jerk reaction from the pro-Trump masses was to do the opposite and claim that the pandemic was a hoax. It bolstered the anti-vax movement and made this previously non-partisan and universally ridiculed movement, previously headlined by such bright minds as the psychotic Jim Carrey and his porn star wife Jenny McCarthy, into a force synonymous with the right wing. This is a classic example of the right taking the system’s very obvious bait and ALLOWING themselves to be defined by their enemies. The bolstered anti-vax movement on the right is
One can stand for the destruction of the System AND support the institutions of public health, and that is my position.
The bolstered anti-vax movement on the right is a drag for the rightist movement as a whole.*
Sometimes I wish editing posts was an option.
Serious question: How many people need to get genuinely injured or die from a covid19 vaccine before you will question its safety and the agenda behind it?
50k deaths? 100k deaths?
Where would you draw the line.
The one potential silver lining is that leftists in urban areas are the main group taking the vaccine.
“Cap’n John” was addressing his comment to “(not very much) Common Sense”, I believe, not to you.
Captain John was addressing Common Sense, I think, not you.
I was not replying to you.
Infectious diseases like measles, mumps, whooping cough, small pox, disappeared because of improved sanitation, cleaner water, better nutrition, less cramped living quarters, no horse dung on the streets. Vaccines had nothing to do with it. In the not so distant future, if we have a future, vaccines will be viewed as utterly medieval, in the worst sense of the word.
Nice article. You could also have mentioned The Specials ‘Too much too young’ and ‘Ghost Town’ as classic 1980’s socio-political ska-punk that went mainstream.
‘King of the Wild Frontier’ is a classic, fight me.
I feel ashamed. I saw The Specials when they were The Coventry Specials and they supported The Clash. Best warm-up act I have ever seen. I am being a bit slippery about The Antz. I do like Dog Eat Dog and a couple of post-Dirk songs. But the old stuff rules for me. You’re So Physical, Whip in my Valise, Deutsche Girls. These would be my wedding songs.
The covid vax is a bio weapon and the agenda is population reduction
Only an idiot would take this drug
Sounds like baseless crazy talk to me.
Some of this is just malcontents looking for a fight. The key is to just make sure that testing doesn’t become ubiquitous at schools and colleges and in the workplace. The vaccine is, or should be the key argument to get back to normal. Once people willing to have a jab have a jab…end of crisis. It couldn’t be a simpler argument. One that lunatics being fed paranoid arguments will spoil. Btw that’s lunatics on both sides of this so called debate. Hypochondriac fanatics on both ends will make certain that this crisis is impossible to get beyond and we end up with testing testing testing.
The agenda was to get rid of Trump. That’s why the regulators and companies delayed the distribution of vaccines. If Trump had seized a pharmaceutical company, used his alleged authoritarianism and shoved through vaccine approval in summer he’d have won and much of this silly debate would be moot. He wasn’t ruthless enough in response to the coordinated campaign against him.
From Day 1, Covid/Wuhan Virus is a topic the Dissident Right should have absolutely owned, on so many levels. It’s shocking that the Regime, and the Regime Media have completely controlled the narrative and used it as a means to tighten the noose.
Come on, part of being on the Dissident Right is that we have broken free of the suppression of obvious and objectively undeniable facts that are suppressed, with increasing ruthlessness and violence, by the Regime (e.g., crime and violence, educatability, intelligence, control of capital/government/media). By that measure, we cannot deny that Covid/Wuhan Virus is a real disease, that people get sick from it, and many people need to be hospitalized and even die from it – especially those who are frail or have not taken care of their bodies. We also cannot deny that the mRNA vaccines (and, to a lesser extent, the J&J vaccine) are extraordinarily effective. The stats are publicly available – just like the FBI stats regarding black criminality.
It is the Leftist Regime that politicizes and twists “Science” into a strange and utterly fictive ideology, and this should have been coherently addressed. The long string of nonsensical pronouncements in the name of “Science” (e.g., BLM riots are public health imperative yet MAGA rallies as “super-spreader events”) are transparent in their motivation and material for ridicule. They should have resulted in permanent discredit for the Regime. Yet, amazingly, the Regime has used the disease as a pretext and an imperative to accelerate the imposition of its agenda upon society. (The courts have given wide latitude and allowed the borders to be closed – something the establishment has claimed to be “impossible” for decades; the rationale of staggering public health and social expense could have been used to deport every single illegal as well.)
The bigger point though is that real science is a quintessentially Faustian endeavor, and vaccines yet another in a long string of Faustian triumphs. Faustian Man recognizes Nature to be his greatest and most worthy adversary, and respects that every triumph is necessarily ephemeral. Yet we continue to build our dams and strive to vanquish disease. And we honour our unrelenting opponent. Our people distinguish themselves through their respect for lesser creatures, and we appreciate that Nature may take a fatal swipe at any time.
“We also cannot deny that the mRNA vaccines (and, to a lesser extent, the J&J vaccine) are extraordinarily effective. The stats are publicly available – just like the FBI stats regarding black criminality.”
This is not a vaccine. It is gene therapy, genetic manipulation, to be exact. Whatever it is, it is not “extraordinarily” effective. The claim that it is sounds like it’s from CNN or the Washington Post. In the UK covid cases continue to occur among both vacccinated and un-vaccinated people in the same proportion as number of vaxxed people compared to the number of un-vaxxed people in the general population.
The spiked protein, which human cells have been re-coded to generate, in many cases, migrate from the injection site to other tissues throughout the body, including the brain, causing blood clotting, oxygen deprivation, and, in severe cases, strokes. So far as I am aware, no one has yet offered an answer to the question as to whether there is a mechanism to terminate the continuous manufacture of viral replicates – a stop switch, so to speak. Whenever such questions are posed or information about adverse effects in general are released publicly, they are immediately censored on the social media sites and MSM.
Does the government’s and the media’s hyper-aggressive propaganda efforts not give you pause? Does Bill Gates’ massive financial ties to Moderna and WHO not concern you?
If the vaccine, that’s not really a vaccine, is so effective, why then do they push so hard for 100% compliance and endlessly vilify those of us who have achieved natural immunity or who do not want our children, who as a demographic were unaffected by covid (aside from the now-documented adverse effects of hypecapnia from long-term mask wearing ), subjected to an experimental therapy?
Emilsson thank you for being a voice of reason.
Karl Gross – “The stats are publicly available – just like the FBI stats regarding black criminality.”
Are you willing to look at the statistics that show the risks of covid19 vaccines?
Or the evidence showing that covid19 is relatively low risk for young people (yet our young people are now being COERCED to take these vaccines)?
Karl Gross “Come on, part of being on the Dissident Right is that we have broken free of the suppression of obvious and objectively undeniable facts that are suppressed” – Try applying this mindset to the data/facts on vaccine injury and death, that the mainstream media is trying to suppress.
Here’s the thing. Alot of people have taken the vaccine and don’t want invasive checks and tests either. So think about a way to make an appeal to those people too. A lot of people who’ve taken the vaccine understand that a vaccine passport is an Evil. 50,000,000 people taking the jab ought to be enough for the UK state without negative and positive incentives added on top.
A couple of comments. Obviously the effort to quash public debate around the vaccines (or “disinformation,” as the Regime likes to label it), and especially with respect to the two mRNA vaccines, should trouble us all. (Vaccination “passports” are a different and even more odious trend.) Real science requires robust, open and informed debate. And a year ago, mongers of The Science were ridiculing those who questioned whether we really needed to maintain 24 feet of distance to others while walking outdoors. Seemed a bit excessive to me. A lot actually. And I ignored many of the various diktats and ran every morning sans mask. Plainly, much of this is being driven by an effort at social control.
That said, while I completely support a robust debate, particularly as to the long-term consequences of the mRNA vaccines, the data seem pretty compelling as to their efficacy. (The UK uses four different vaccines, the two mRNA, the J&J/Janssen and the Oxford/AstraZeneca, the latter of which is not authorized for use in the USA; even after adjusting for the different vaccine ratios, we not only need to look at raw hospitalization rates, but at severity to see effectiveness.)
While I distrust the Regime on general principal, there is good reason for public health officials to push vaccination. Even though the Bureau of Engraving printing presses are currently white hot, public health bureaucrats (for their many faults) are schooled and do tend to think in cost-benefit terms, and about half of health spending in the USA is directly by the federal government, with state/local also paying a significant portion. At one point Covid/Wuhan patients were spending about 12 days in the hospital, much of it in the ICU, at a clip of $150k+. A $5 vaccination that prevents that expense is the kind of thing that public health folks traditionally flog, and for good reason.
Thus, while I disagree rather violently with most of the hooey coming out of the orifices of the Regime’s apparatchiks, I would be fine with encouragement and support of voluntary widespread vaccination, coupled with the elimination of mask mandates.
The position of the dissident right ought to be this:
Vaccine good, vaccine passport bad.
The vaccine rollout took place, for the most part, in the Spring, precisely when we would expect respiratory illnesses to decline. Let’s see what happens in late Autumn before we judge the “efficacy” of the vaccines.
As for the supposed tendency of public health bureaucrats to think in terms of cost/benefit, this is laughable in light of the tremendously unbalanced costs of the lockdowns
Amazing to me, just amazing, how many Dissidents don’t see the massive anti-libertarian, pro-collectivist (but not socialist) implications of pandemic control (which can be a gateway into ethnocollectivist thinking). Plague is arguably the single greatest defenestrator of radical individualism, which itself is today the great seducer of whites working constantly to undermine our sense of tribal obligation. Plague control has been one of the major tasks of collective authority since time immemorial. Recognition of this fact completely undermines both globalist and libertarian ideologies, which are at present our two great internal enemies: the former, to white control of white nations; the latter, to the rebirth of tribal consciousness. Greg Johnson actually early on pointed out the ways Covid was a globalist failure. Immigration restrictionist Peter Brimelow argued decades ago that a global pandemic might be the one way we could defeat the cheap laborites and their lobbying against sealed borders. The sociobiological Right should have owned this issue.
Perhaps the real difference is between the psychologically grounded and the mentally marginal, between those who grasp the complexity of the world (eg, that Fauci is probably a liberal bureaucrat protecting his own ass rather than a Sorosian secret agent bent on sterilizing the West), and those who are desperate to flatten its contradictions and simplify the shifting patterns of self-interest and sincerity of motivations which are present in most major historical events. One thing I can tell you: among my friends (most of whom, but not all, are rightists), there is a brutally clear divergence between the more and less intelligent on this, with all the smarter ones vaccinated, and the less acute ones more prey to distrust of the public health authorities. I mean, no exceptions (at least among the tiny subset of people I know; none of whom, let me add, does not have at least a college degree).
Testing needs to be opposed. No passports to go to a movie theatre either.
You’re the type who would’ve gladly showered in DDT in the 1950s
I mean this seriously: you are delusional. What is so pathetic about your type is that correct information is readily available to dispel your delusions. “Vaccines are not responsible for preventing measles, etc.” Man, people like you do the utmost damage to white nationalist credibility. If the GOP fails to take back Congress next year, it will be because people like you polluted the Right in the public’s mind, and alienated normal voters.
Anti-vaxxers are the Right’s answer to the Left’s police defunders. Neither appeals to the moderate middle where the votes are.
You are resorting to name calling and couldn’t even address the issue that Saturday Night Palsy raised – that medicine and science have made grave mistakes in the past. Doctors even used to promote cigarettes.
Science makes mistakes, but science is also self-critical and self-correcting. Thus it makes sense to bet on science, in the long run.
Paranoids and cranks, however, are not a good bet, because they are not rational or self-correcting.
The scientific method is self-correcting, when done properly and in good faith. But the scientific community itself is deeply compromised and obviously corrupted, especially on the research side of things. Many in the medical field right now do not / cannot speak candidly about COVID19, the vaccine, or CDC guidelines and its politics.
Skeptics should hold their ground, and everyone else should proceed as they wish. I just wish we could inject civility into the proceedings. Tricky times.
Western chauvinism is not the same thing as promoting White interests. We should not fall for the claim that because modern pharmaceuticals and vaccines are Western inventions, we must defend these to the end. Good lord! In truth, prescription drugs are the third leading cause of death after heart disease and cancer in our societies.
My position on this issue is twofold. First, I would challenge the entire vaccine paradigm, and promote instead a natural health paradigm. Second, the mRNA “vaccines” are not vaccines by any traditional definition, but rather dangerous gene therapies that no healthy person should submit to.
You can call me a crank, but I have read several books on the subject of vaccines over the past year. And the book that I put at the top of my recommended list doesn’t even have to be read. That’s right, you can just look at the graphs and charts, which demonstrate the steep downward trajectory of nearly every infectious disease beginning in the late 1800s, prior to the development of modern vaccines. The one exception is polio, which is a complicated case.
The book in question is “Dissolving Illusions: Disease, Vaccines, and the Forgotten History,” by Suzanne Humphries, MD, and Roman Bystrianyk.
It requires a bit of imagination to visualize, but urban centers in the West were places of immense squalor and therefore rampant disease until roughly 1900. Let me know if you need me to draw you a picture. Or better yet, read Humphries & Bystrianyk.
Starting in the 1700s, vaccines have been developed as a clever way to out-smart and circumvent the human immune system —> Trying to master nature rather than live according to nature —> The human body, however, is far more complicated than the understanding of science. The simple, mechanistic, mono-causal framework of viral agent causing disease is mistaken, as is the notion that the human body combats & resists disease simply by forming antibodies in response to antigens.
“Science is self-critical and self-correcting.” Maybe in the long run, which is why I said vaccines will one day be viewed as utterly medieval interventions. But science also runs into blind alleys and, worse, can be corrupted as an institution.
Further, marginalizing critics of vaccines by calling them “cranks,” and silencing vaccine victims & their families as just so many pathetic unfortunates, is hardly in the spirit of free research and communication of findings.
But enough with my screed about traditional vaccines. Let’s turn to the mRNA “vaccines,” which are not in fact vaccines. A traditional vaccine seeks to promote a sub-clinical immune response by exposing the body to an attenuated or deactivated virus or virus fragment, typically by muscle injection. The Moderna & Pfizer injections, by contrast, send synthetic mRNA packages into the body that instruct cells to produce the pathogenic spike protein. It is theorised that the body will then mount an immune response to the pathogen that it is now itself producing, and that by doing so it will remember the spike protein structure if it later encounters SARS-Cov-2, or some variant thereof, in the wild.
Let’s get this straight. Unlike a traditional vaccine, which exposes the body to an attenuated or deactivated virus, we are now instructing people’s cells to produce a known pathogen. Could anything possibly go wrong? Would you like to stake your health on this? And, indeed, risk the health of billions of people in a mad rush to “vaccinate” seemingly everyone?
Within the first three months after the injections, which might be termed the “acute” phase, many cases of blood clots, stroke, myocarditis, are being reported. This is because the cells lining the vascular system are producing the spike protein.
As for possible mid- to long-terms effects, I will not speculate as it is really a question of wait-and-see. But antibody-dependent disease enhancement, heart disease, kidney disorders, prion & neurological disease, and infertility have all been hypothesized. As JF Garlepy put it in his interview with Frodi Midjord, the jabs represent a Pandora’s Box of bad health syndromes.
Finally, leaving all science to the side, nothing that has happened in the past 18 months has made any sense. Blatant contradictions in government policies and pronouncements abound. There has been no balance, no prudence, no courage, no virtue. The common man–and I consider myself a commoner–must rely on his own instincts and judgment. And something is very, very wrong. The time for deferring to technocrats is long past. Paranoia? I think not. Never before have our freedoms been so curtailed, never before have our governments treated us so brutally and recklessly.
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