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Burn Down the GOP?

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The Dissident Right is no fan of the Republican Party. For years, we’ve seen the party as an obstacle rather than an asset for white identity politics. Many identitarians believe the GOP must die for white Americans to survive and the Dissident Right should focus on killing this obsolete beast.

Now another faction on the Right shares the view that the GOP must die — and it’s not because they want the GOP to fight for white interests. Several Never Trumpers now believe Republicans are beyond redemption and must follow the doomed path of the Whigs. To these jilted Republican strategists and conservative columnists, white identity politics and indecency make the GOP unworthy of survival. The only thing that can be done is to support the Democrats and hope a better party arises from the wreckage of the Grand Old Party.

“Right now, the only thing Republicans offer is a brew of meanness, propaganda, science denial, corruption, and racism,” complains Washington Post “conservative” columnist Jennifer Rubin. “Republicans, from my perspective, should be disqualified from holding office until there is a new generation of Republicans untainted by support for Trump and willing to repudiate Trumpism.”

Rubin suggests the GOP no longer upholds America’s core values — which are “fidelity to the rule of law; devotion to separation of powers; recognition that the United States is defined not by race, gender or religion, but by our creed that ‘all men are created equal.’” This disqualifies all Republicans from holding office and a new alternative to progressivism must arise. “Whatever you call it — conservatism 2.0, moderation, pragmatism, ‘small-l’ liberalism — it must defend democratic institutions, address yawning gaps in wealth and opportunity, integrate into a global economy, tackle systemic problems such as climate change and racism, root out corruption and cronyism, and exercise leadership in a world in which illiberal regimes are increasingly aggressive and confident,” Rubin writes.

Rubin’s opinion is shared by prominent conservative columnist George Will, the Never Trump outlet The Bulwark, and the well-funded Lincoln Project. You’ve probably seen the Lincoln Project’s ads if you’ve spent any time on the internet. The group is run by prominent Republican strategists with the intended purpose of destroying the GOP. It has raised nearly $20 million for this purpose.

Not all Never Trumpers are thrilled with this idea. David French and others insist principled conservatives must continue supporting the good Republicans and a wrecked GOP would be terrible for their cause. That opinion seems the minority position at the moment.

This debate is worth keeping in mind for the Dissident Right. Those who always yearn for the death of the GOP believe that whatever comes out of it will be in our favor. The media-savvy Never Trump grifters should instill caution among us — the post-GOP landscape could be much worse than before.

The Dissident Right is poorly funded, deplatformed, and could soon face state persecution in America. Never Trumpers are extremely well-funded, promoted by every media outlet, and will never face state persecution. They are connected to the halls of power and know how to get their message to the public. Even though their agenda isn’t a hit with middle America, they still have the influence and money to set the discourse. Who are defeated Republican politicians more likely to listen to: a few BitChute commentators or respected campaign consultants?

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Never Trumpers are building institutions to influence a new GOP. Lincoln Project has demonstrated it can raise tons of money, create viral ads, and provide support for candidates who uphold his agenda. The only issue is that it’s a not-so-subtle Democratic outfit; the Project is even supporting Democrats against moderate Republicans. This may limit its ability to influence future conservatives, but the Project is having a bigger impact on the election than any Dissident Right institution. A severely defeated Republican Party may overlook the group’s past sins if the party tries to atone for Trumpism.

One of the points that Never Trumpers are effectively putting in the media is that Trump and the GOP will lose the election because they embraced racism. White identity politics will be blamed for the loss, and Republicans will be urged to accept multiculti America. In order to survive in this new America, Republicans must follow the agenda laid out by Jennifer Rubin and other Never Trumpers. GOP leaders scoff at this idea now, but it will gain credibility if the party suffers a crippling defeat in November. The white voters Trump is performing poorly with are white suburbanites, many of whom share the same stupid concerns as Never Trumpers. They think Trump is a racist and hate his populist rhetoric. This is hardly the constituency begging for white nationalism. If this constituency proves the nail in Trump’s coffin, it will reaffirm the narrative that white identity politics is a political loser.

Only Tucker Carlson is conveying the message that Trump will lose because he failed to live up to his nationalist promises — and Tucker does not want the GOP destroyed. The Fox News host realizes that in the event of a landslide defeat, ordinary Trump supporters will be punished and Democrats will enact radical change that ensures a one-party state in America. There will be no based successor to the GOP when all illegals and convicts can vote; the new GOP will resemble the fantasy of the Lincoln Project.

Some on our side may cheer on this development. “Good! Now white people will realize both parties are anti-white and will rise up!” That. . . is a very optimistic view. The more likely scenario is that good Americans continue to vote for the totally cucked GOP because they have no other option. At least this party might protect their gun rights and lower their taxes — maybe. It’s not like our side is offering these folks a serious political alternative.

The fact is that the GOP will continue to survive in America. There are plenty of red areas that will vote for them and the amount of money, talent, and resources it takes to create a new party is beyond the Dissident Right’s capabilities. The Reform Party, the last semi-successful third party in American politics, was created and funded by a popular billionaire and it couldn’t even survive into the millennium.

It’s reasonable to be disgusted with Republican cowardice and want the whole party burned down. But its destruction doesn’t guarantee a better future for us. There are many institutions and powers blocking our civilization’s path to renewal; the GOP is not the worst of them. It’s a bumbling institution that rarely gets things done and often does more harm than good. But it’s one of the only institutions receptive to nationalism in America — and it’s unlikely to disappear anytime soon.

The better strategy is to pressure the GOP to move in our direction than for it to die. The ballot box is obviously not the only solution and we need to build our own institutions. But it’s naive to think that things will be easier for our cause without the Republican Party.

If the most cucked conservatives desire the same thing, it’s time to wonder whether it’s such a good thing after all.

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54 Comments

  1. Vegetius
    Posted August 12, 2020 at 7:46 am | Permalink

    Failure to support Trump is objectively anti-white.

    • HamburgerToday
      Posted August 12, 2020 at 11:56 am | Permalink

      Supporting Trump is objectively anti-White.

      • Lord Shang
        Posted August 13, 2020 at 1:58 am | Permalink

        You lost me there, pal. Permanently. You’re an idiot, no doubt about it. Trump may be a disappointment, but so has been every other politician for longer than my nearly 60 years. This isn’t about Trump; it’s about how a huge Trump defeat will be seen by our people’s enemies. If Trump loses big, CC will soldier on, until it is completely deplatformed in our new White Enslavement State, where whites are randomly robbed, raped, beaten and brutalized with no consequences – and with no guns (or even free speech) to do anything about it.

        But if he loses, white nationalism will be completely discredited, and increasingly persecuted. If he loses, there will be hundreds of millions of nonwhites imported – legally as well as illegally – into the country. If he loses, that is the beginning of the end of white civilization, and possibly the white race. If he loses, white nationalism will keep on as a very underground movement – a kind of in-group club filled with interesting discussions with absolutely no real world impact.

        This is life or death for our people, and you have chosen death – just like the NeverTrumptards, just like the BLM-supporting white fools, just like white sheep of all stripes.

        • HamburgerToday
          Posted August 13, 2020 at 9:18 am | Permalink

          Trump is anti-White. This is obvious and all your invective and Trump-fellation is not going to change that. He’s accomplished nothing of value in his entire time. According to his own standards — in The Art of The Deal and ‘The Apprentice’ — there’s only one thing the people who hired him should be saying to him: You’re fired! And that’s what I’m saying.

        • Hunter
          Posted August 14, 2020 at 4:32 pm | Permalink

          The deplatforming you speculate on has already happened. The Occidental Observer is the latest casualty. “Trumpism” and the GOP has proven itself an utter failure in this regard. It’ll probably be better with a Democrat in office, since they can’t drum up hysteria that the US is white supremacist because of Trump.

          • Stronza
            Posted August 15, 2020 at 9:23 am | Permalink

            http://deplatforming.com/

            The Leftist Playbook

            Learn how the leftist uses accusations and personal attacks to avoid debating the issues.

            —————–

            I don’t know what became of this book.

      • Wrath
        Posted August 13, 2020 at 2:21 am | Permalink

        Liberal democracy (aka kakistocracy) is anti-white.

        • HamburgerToday
          Posted August 13, 2020 at 9:15 am | Permalink

          I don’t know if liberalism was/is inherently anti-White. Whites seemed to do okay for a long time under ‘liberalism’, right up until an alien race entered the US in large numbers in the 1840s and began to take advantage of our good natures. Liberalism cannot survive conniving and deceit and that’s what these racial aliens brought with them as a function of their religion and culture. It’s always been said that the American — liberal — political system required a virtuous people. Then we imported people without virtue as if the soil of American could make these racial aliens like the Whites who created the West. And here we are.

    • Thomas777
      Posted August 17, 2020 at 4:47 am | Permalink

      Why are you people accepting System media’s propaganda to the effect that Biden is a shoe in for POTUS? Theyre claiming as of last week that Biden is going to sweep the Electoral college with numbers comparable to Reagan’s victory in 1984. That’s patently absurd. Trump isnt a strong President but he’s not particularly weak either. I find it incredible that people on a WN site are responding to System media claims about the President’s incumbency odds as if these claims are rational and credible.

  2. Viv
    Posted August 12, 2020 at 9:59 am | Permalink

    Whites exert very little power through electoral politics, so I’m never sure how to respond to these articles about the GOP or elections.

    “But it’s naive to think that things will be easier for our cause without the Republican Party.”

    Why? The GOP actively works against white interests on virtually every issue.

    • HamburgerToday
      Posted August 12, 2020 at 3:08 pm | Permalink

      Big agree.

    • Heretic
      Posted August 12, 2020 at 4:23 pm | Permalink

      There is a fundamental weakness in the Republican Party that is a strength in the Democratic Party. The beneficial owners of the Republican Party hate and fear their voters while the beneficial owners of the Democrat Party are united with their voters, there isn’t a thousandth of an inch of daylight between them. The Democrats actually believe in something, all bad, while the Republicans believe in nothing except big business and its wishes, especially cutting the wages of voters including Republican voters.

      Something beats nothing every time and Trump was successful because he campaigned on something; an implicitly pro-White agenda, unlike all the other Republicans. Hillary the Monster campaigned on something too, the standard Left wing, anti-White agenda. Trump has governed erratically, mostly as a disappointment but be has he thwarted much of the Left’s anti-White agenda such as AFFH, amnesty and the global warming hoax. In a second term he would probably betray his White voters though by increasing immigration instead of ending it because that is what big bidness wants.

      Ultimately, events are in the driver’s seat, not politicians and their little agendas. The U.S. is effectively bankrupt (because of unpayable debts) but still functions because of the inertia of having the world’s reserve currency (and printing press) with no substitute available. The residual confidence in the dollar and lack of substitutes keeps it the world’s reserve currency with all the benefits that follow, not any intrinsic value.

      If Joe Biden were elected Camel Toe Harris would quickly become the nominal President after Slow Joe resigned which would destroy confidence in the dollar. The destruction of the dollar would drastically reduce the ability of government at all levels to function and would impoverish most White people who are now living a middle class lifestyle. Only drastic events such as Weimar style hyperinflation will get the attention of most normies and make them receptive to the ideas of the Right. Hyperinflation may be coming no matter who gets elected because it’s the only way to destroy the debt without repudiating it and have a long overdue financial reset.

  3. Nova Rhodesia
    Posted August 12, 2020 at 10:06 am | Permalink

    The Democratic party more than fails to uphold the rule of law, freedom of speech, assembly, the right to bear arms and everything else that is truly American. They are outright and openly opposed to such things. The GOP has rare, fleeting moments of usefulness and long stretches of irrelevance and negligence.
    Honestly, we are likely beyond the point where anything serious can be accomplished with our current one-man-one-vote system, regardless of whether something called the GOP survives or not.

    • HamburgerToday
      Posted August 12, 2020 at 3:15 pm | Permalink

      ‘Burn down the GOP’ is just part of the overall position. The core of the strategy is to accelerate the crisis of legitimacy of the system as a whole. If POTUS Harris goes ham on Whitey, do you really think there won’t be a reaction from White folks? Look how much consciousness-raising has occurred just from 3 months of the BLAntifa Jewgo Uprising. We’re in a societal collapse. The longer White people cling to their illusions, the longer it will take for a new White order to arise from the chaos. Let it burn!

      • BjørnThorsønn
        Posted August 13, 2020 at 1:54 am | Permalink

        @HamburgerToday:
        “The longer White people cling to their illusions, the longer it will take for a new White order to arise from the chaos. Let it burn!”

        Agreed. But I think Trump is our man when it comes to how to bring it about. I believe Biden & co will prolong the time before the burn.
        Trump makes the left irate and hence prone to anything like a pack of out-of-control lemmings. And like it or not, but they are the main force pushing towards a final confrontation. If they have the power, they will calm down.

        We could say a lot about Trump, but he seems to be an excellent catalyst.

        Just my two cents.

      • Lord Shang
        Posted August 13, 2020 at 2:03 am | Permalink

        I see very little consciousness-raising – and a huge amount of cucking. Interestingly, it is a Zionist Jew named Mark Levin who has been tireless in denouncing BLM. Most whites? “Nothing to see here… but I’m not a racist!! NOT ME!! PLEASE DON’T CALL ME RACIST!!!”

        • HamburgerToday
          Posted August 13, 2020 at 9:24 am | Permalink

          Levin is a Jew. He is authorized to bash BLM and not be deplatformed because is doing the Jews work to make the goyim think there are ‘patriotic Jews’ when there, clearly, are not. Levin’s people created the BLAntifa Jewgro Army and he’s immune to that monster because he’s a Jew. If you think Jews are so great and are so disappointed in Whites, why not just spend time over at the Daily Wire. The guy who runs that site even wears the itty-bitty power hat. Lots of Whites are waking up…otherwise the Jews wouldn’t be acting like Levin is acting.

  4. Kolya Krassotkin
    Posted August 12, 2020 at 11:13 am | Permalink

    Not to go off on a complete tangent, but I always take the opinions on anything from folk like Jennifer Rubin, who hail from a culture steeped in racism for millenia, with a bag of kosher salt.

    I once trusted, but just as experience bitterly taught countless others over countless generations and through countless lands, it also taught me.

  5. Ray Caruso
    Posted August 12, 2020 at 11:28 am | Permalink

    “the post-GOP landscape could be much worse than before.”

    I don’t see how. White nationalists receive zero support from the Republican Party. Even American traditionalists derive essentially no benefit from its existence. The only ones who do benefit from it are Pentagon profiteers, corruptocrats looking for tax breaks and other illicit favors, and Israel-firsters. I don’t think it would be a bad thing if it finally dawned on non-liberals other than White nationalists that no one in power is for them, just like no one in power is for us. Trump’s failure to even begin to MAGA has made it more obvious than ever that there is no prospect that electoral politics will save the White race or civilization in North America, and that being the case, the Republican Party is all but irrelevant.

    • HamburgerToday
      Posted August 12, 2020 at 3:17 pm | Permalink

      Big agree.

    • Nadia
      Posted August 13, 2020 at 5:19 am | Permalink

      Exactly, the sooner GOP dies the sooner conditions will be created for Whites to organize as a group.

  6. Ambrose Kane
    Posted August 12, 2020 at 11:48 am | Permalink

    There are host of legitimate complaints against Trump. He has failed to keep most of his campaign
    promises (at least the ones that really mattered), and has filled his cabinet with neo-cons and Never Trumpers. His stupidity and pettiness at times staggers the mind.

    Yet what options do we have? If we allow Biden and Harris to get elected by not voting for Trump, we get stuck with Harris (Biden’s dementia will likely prevent him from completing his first term). It will then be payback time for each and every person who dared to vote Trump. Granted, this might accelerate Whites in waking up from their multicultural slumber, or it might just further demoralize and weaken them.

    As I see it, Trump’s real purpose is to buy racially-conscious Whites some time, to help prepare our people for the dark days ahead, to get our message out while we still have a chance. Thus, we must not see Trump as some White savior, but as a person who gives us a brief reprieve to organize and strategize in preparation for what is surely to come.

    • Viv
      Posted August 12, 2020 at 2:17 pm | Permalink

      “buy whites some time”

      That was the argument 4 years ago. Trump actually accelerated anti-white politics. I don’t see how you can make that same argument again.

      • HamburgerToday
        Posted August 12, 2020 at 3:08 pm | Permalink

        Big agree. The ‘buy more time’ argument is extremely unconvincing.

      • Ambrose Kane
        Posted August 12, 2020 at 4:51 pm | Permalink

        “That was the argument 4 years ago” – And it remains so even now and, hopefully, for another four more years. We are not expecting perfection nor even a national ‘reformation’ that reverses current trends. Only time. Under Trump we have not had our gun rights taken away, and if he is elected again, those same rights will likely continue to be protected. All of this is almost guaranteed to change under a Biden-Harris presidency. Trump provides, in effect, a buffer zone for us and allots our people a brief window of time to prepare for what is on the horizon.

        “Trump actually accelerated anti-white politics” – Partially, I suppose, but it’s not the entire story. Trump was never explicitly White in his rhetoric, but what little he did say that seemed pro-White drove the Left into violent fits. It occurred at this point in our history because Trump dared to actually fight back, and he said things that presidents in the past would not say. What other president has publicly condemned Soros, warned of globalists, spoke evil of the UN, and talked about the Washington ‘Swamp, including the ‘Deep State’? This too is why so many republican officials have turned against Trump.

        As childish as Trump might be on occasion, he at least fights dirty and mean. I think this along with the growing public distrust of our government provoked panic among our Bolshevik overlords. Their fangs came out and the somewhat concealed ant-White bigotry they had for Heritage Americans in the past, was ferociously released as we have not seen before. It would have occurred under any president who dared to voice truths that were implicitly White and anti-globalist. We’ve just never witnessed it occurring before among any of our White U.S. presidents. The times we live in are both interesting and unique (at least in some ways).

        This explains, in part, why anti-White politics has so greatly accelerated in the past four years. It would have happened just as much if not more had we elected a fearless White Nationalist. In fact, the acceleration of anti-White politics has revealed that we have been partially successful against the Globo-Homo matrix – and they know it! It also reveals to our people that the lines are being drawn, and they will have to make a choice.

        Trump also has a nasty, mean-spirited side and I hope he will release it to its full potential on his enemies during his second term. After all, he’ll have nothing to lose. He knows how much they already hate him, so what’s there to lose?

        Whether four, eight or twelve years, Whites need as much time as possible to organize and help to awaken our people. If the greater majority of Whites understood the danger they are in and what is planned for their future, perhaps four more years would not be necessary. But this is not where our people are at. They are still lost in a fog of confusion, and there are still too many Whites ready to condemn their own if they dare to peep anything that sounds pro-White. We have a lot of work to do, and therefore, we need more time.

        • Lord Shang
          Posted August 13, 2020 at 2:08 am | Permalink

          Very well said. I’m too tired to argue this shit anymore. I believe we will all die violent deaths. Very few whites under age 80 right now will die peacefully. This is central Europe, 1935. That’s just how it is. But I’d rather have more time than less. Trump staves off ‘le deluge’ a bit longer.

          • Nadia
            Posted August 13, 2020 at 5:22 am | Permalink

            Putting it off for your kids to deal with. Great plan. What the hell does it matter if your guns are taken away in a year or 4 years? The entire system is against you, just burn it down already

            • Ambrose Kane
              Posted August 13, 2020 at 10:28 am | Permalink

              You didn’t read what I wrote very carefully. Nobody is talking about “putting it off” onto one’s kids to deal with. We shall all deal with the hell that is coming, both young and old. My point was simply that voting for Trump has the potential of giving us more time to get our message out and for Whites to strategize and prepare. I can’t think of any group that’s in the fight for their very lives asking for LESS time rather than MORE time!

              It is downright foolish to call for the country to burn down when our people are not even close to being prepared for it. I understand your frustration, but we’ve got to keep our heads on straight. I don’t think you’ve seriously considered what will happen to us when Biden-Harris and their goons are given the full green light to arrest and imprison us merely for our beliefs. You think this won’t affect our children and our entire families? Why would you want to invite an even greater level of marginalization, physical attacks, and legal persecution by flippantly crying for it all to be burned down?

        • 3g4me
          Posted August 13, 2020 at 8:38 am | Permalink

          If you really believe that merely sufficient time will ‘awaken’ the mass of Whites, then you should be a paid political strategist or advertiser. Most people are lazy, ignorant, and easily led. This is just as true of Whites as of others. Oh, they’ll grumble about racial set asides or express horror at the latest racial outrage, but it will not change their lifestyles, their daily choices, or their voting patterns. They still believe nothing bad can ever happen to them, not here, in magic ‘murrica. And all this electoral strategizing is based on the belief that the political system will continue in its present iteration ad infinitum. How does having a faux opposition party give Whites any sense of hope or representation in a demographic tsunami? All those laws and procedural changes you fear will happen regardless, because demography is reality . . . and destiny. Take away the cope of a purported ‘traditional American’ party, and perhaps the 5-10% of normies who may yet be saved will see the light. Praying for a mass movement to arise due to leftist excesses and GOP salesmen is not merely weak sauce, it is pure pablum to offer dissidents today.

          • Ambrose Kane
            Posted August 13, 2020 at 2:56 pm | Permalink

            “If you really believe that merely sufficient time will ‘awaken’ the mass of Whites, then you should be a paid political strategist or advertiser” – Good grief, when did I ever write that “merely sufficient time will awaken the mass of whites”? I simply stated the reality of our situation, and that a accelerationist burn-it-down position is not a practical, real-life strategy. It reveals an emotional and dismissive mindset that has not carefully weighed things.

            There are no guarantees no matter how much time is allotted to Whites, especially that they will “awaken.” But isn’t it are far more prudent approach than allowing the SHTF and hoping for a good outcome?

            As I wrote earlier, voting for Trump gives us a reprieve (more or less) and such time has the potential of giving us greater opportunity to strategize and organize. We are talking about potentials and not guarantees. The good news is that history has a way of surprising us at times.

            “How does having a faux opposition party give Whites any sense of hope or representation in a demographic tsunami? All those laws and procedural changes you fear will happen regardless, because demography is reality . . . and destiny” – No one here on this site is trusting the GOP or in Trump as saviors of our demographic demise. It’s just a matter of recognizing that a second term for Trump will afford us some benefits (as discussed previously) that will not be available if we end up with a Biden-Harris presidency. If Biden is elected, Harris will soon be the president and all hell will be unleashed. This is especially so when one considers that her husband is Jewish.

            Our vote for Trump is NOT because he’s our man, or stands in agreement with us. It’s only because we see Trump as someone useful for our cause and nothing more. Plus, he drives the Left rabidly insane like no other politician, and this is a good thing.

            Also, if you think things will become so bad for us that Whites will automatically resist their Bolshevik overlords and become pro-White, you are sorely mistaken. Some will, but I suspect the greater majority like good government sheep will do as they are told.

            Once again, being allotted more time is not about kicking the can down the road. It’s about getting prepared and trying to reason with our people so that they begin to see what is happening them. It’s about strategizing, organizing, etc. To do otherwise is a blind leap into the dark.

        • c matt
          Posted August 13, 2020 at 11:12 am | Permalink

          How do you awaken people by hitting the snooze button?

          • Ambrose Kane
            Posted August 13, 2020 at 3:10 pm | Permalink

            Who in the world is talking about hitting the “snooze button”? If you had read my comments a little more carefully, you would have realized that a second term for Trump allots US (you and I) more time to engage in strategizing, organizing and getting our message out. It’s a time for work among those of us who are racially-conscious. Nobody is talking about going to sleep or resting on their laurels.

            Consider how many more Whites have arrived at a White identity viewpoint since 2013 when things started to really heat up against our people. This is because White advocates got off their butts and began to involve themselves in getting their message out. In large measure we have shaken up the political world, and much of it has been good.

            There is work to do my friend!

    • Mac
      Posted August 12, 2020 at 8:00 pm | Permalink

      “As I see it, Trump’s real purpose is to buy racially-conscious Whites some time, to help prepare our people for the dark days ahead, to get our message out while we still have a chance.”

      Agreed. So far 19 million guns have sold this year, the first wave was around half of that number when the pandemic hit, he rest of the sales were after the riots. Of the guns sold since the riots specifically, half were new owners and half of those were women. Common ammo has been completely gone at stores since the riots and online the prices have been skyrocketing with everything selling out immediately as soon as it comes in. If you want a conceal carry license in my state you have to wait 6 months minimum to apply because it’s so backed up now, not to mention all the training classes are queued up well into next year. Sport rifles and pistols have seen the same fate as ammo since the riots, the demand far outstrips the supply. With that in mind think people should have another four years to get what they want. It’s all but guaranteed Democrats will do the most severe gun control they possibly can at the first chance they get and the odds of their success in doing that greatly increases with a Democrat in office.

      Things are accelerating at least partially out of spite against Trump, there’s no evidence that will end if he wins again. Only difference him winning or not makes to me, and many others, is whether the entire federal government becomes explicitly hostile towards whites now or in another four years. I’d much prefer all those normies who recently armed themselves, and everyone else, have time to train and prepare rather than become defacto felons as soon as next year.

  7. HamburgerToday
    Posted August 12, 2020 at 12:05 pm | Permalink

    The GOP is not receptive to nationalism. It’s not receptive to White Americans at all except to fleece them for money and harvest their votes. As far as White Nationalism is concerned, it doesn’t matter if the GOP disappears or wins the next 10 elections, the outcome will be the same: White Nationalists are on their own. The solution to the White Nationalist Question is as obvious as it is difficult: To fashion a mult-faceted organization that can provide assistance to Whites in trouble and build create a ‘shadow state’ that can wield moral authority take power with or without elections.

    • Midwestern Guy
      Posted August 12, 2020 at 10:08 pm | Permalink

      Correct. Their donors care about (1) tax cuts (2) pentagon waste (3) Israel. Since they give money and I don’t, they influence policy. Without money we have no influence.

      LBJ: “Money is the mother’s milk of politics”. Sure is, and the golden rule is “he who has the gold makes the rules”

      This election is about nothing more than where to direct the cash flow of our tax dollars. To the Pentagon or to socialized medicine. The rest is conversation

      • HamburgerToday
        Posted August 13, 2020 at 9:48 am | Permalink

        Money isn’t everything. There’s an old saying from the Middle East: If someone is selling power, offer your grandmother into slavery to buy it. You can always take back later.

        What the Jews fear more than anything — what entire industries under their power are dedicated to preventing — is Whites organizing in the interests of Whites and those Whites being completely immune to appeals outside those than answer in the affirmative to the question ‘Is it good for the Whites?’

        Whites were held back for a long time by the impulse to ‘save America’ and to restore White power in ‘America’. There are lots of Whites who still think this way, but it’s getting harder for them to continue to believe in Project America.

        What’s obvious is that White Nationalism cannot be about ‘saving’ any particular political system or federal government. It can only be about creating the conditions necessary to secure the existence of Whites and a future for White children.

        Whites will need to mentally, morally, rhetorically, and, finally, economically, walk away from America. We need to create all the institutions of a White Ethnostate within the context of dying ‘America’.

        We create a future for Whites by making the future now.

  8. Nemesis
    Posted August 12, 2020 at 12:10 pm | Permalink

    I think that the problem with your analysis (if I may), is that you are focusing on the leaders of the GOP rather than on its support base.
    First of all, you say that “The white voters Trump is performing poorly with are white suburbanites, many of whom share the same stupid concerns as Never Trumpers”. Be careful in putting too much trust in those polls. Even pollsters are acknowledging that they are having trouble reaching out the White blue-collar male voter who is a typical Trump supporter. Also, the ‘coming civil war’ has three regions: the major cities are Black, and democratic, the exburbs are White and republican, and the suburbs are were the battle will take place.
    As to the strategy, I agree with your statement: ‘The better strategy is to pressure the GOP to move in our direction than for it to die’. Now to do that, I think we have to target Trump’s power base: the blue-collar White male voter, not the party elites. This can be done easily but slowly through social media. We all have to join Parler –that’s where we will find them all– and then posts articles to start red-pilling them. I have posted articles from CC and they went well. Also, open a Facebook account with a pseudonym, I’m assuming you have been banned already, in which case you will have to change your phone number. In my case, Nemesis was not accepted because the algorithm, clearly assumed it was a nickname or pseudonym, and demanded a ‘real name’. So I went for ‘Richard Othala’, othala being the rune that represents ‘Homeland, family, legacy, etc’. Anyway, once there I joined some pro-Trump and conservative sites and started posting. As people read your posts, they will find our websites and will start to slowly move in our direction.
    As a side-effect, doing something like this will give you some sense of control, and you will not fall into the ‘learned helplessness’ of depression, as it often happens.
    Cheers!

    • Claus
      Posted August 14, 2020 at 3:43 pm | Permalink

      Good suggestion. This is one way old guys can make themselves useful.

  9. Afterthought
    Posted August 12, 2020 at 3:13 pm | Permalink

    Burn it down Nov 4th.

  10. Posted August 12, 2020 at 5:10 pm | Permalink

    It took the communist left, over 100 years, to infiltrate & destroy every institution, in America…the left did this by posing as moderate progressives to begin with…..Trump has outted these criminals….
    I have no enemies on the Right…..from conservatives, revolutionary conservatives & the neos….we must infiltrate & subvert & build a vanguard party….swim with the masses & learn from them….Narodniki, 1872…

  11. Mike Ricci
    Posted August 12, 2020 at 5:56 pm | Permalink

    The GOP will be done soon enough just through demographic changes. It is entirely supported by White Boomers and when they’re gone nobody will take their place, unless aging Gen-Xers become conservadads, but I don’t see that happening. And of course America ain’t getting any Whiter.

  12. Voryn
    Posted August 12, 2020 at 7:21 pm | Permalink

    Worse (Biden getting elected) is not always better. Just look at South Africa. I agree that we need some more time before the hellmouth is thrown wide open. Someone convince me otherwise.

  13. Nanara
    Posted August 12, 2020 at 9:42 pm | Permalink

    The white voters Trump is performing poorly with are white suburbanites, many of whom share the same stupid concerns as Never Trumpers. They think Trump is a racist and hate his populist rhetoric. This is hardly the constituency begging for white nationalism. If this constituency proves the nail in Trump’s coffin, it will reaffirm the narrative that white identity politics is a political loser.

    They have “stupid concerns” like not wanting to die of covid19. That’s really the n****r in the woodpile here. You lose smart people, and it’s a political loser no matter what, as you won’t have anyone to actually implement your agenda.

    But it’s one of the only institutions receptive to nationalism in America — and it’s unlikely to disappear anytime soon.

    The better strategy is to pressure the GOP to move in our direction than for it to die

    That’s all fine and good, but with what tools do we use to exert this pressure? All I can think of that I have is my vote, and I’m (not) gonna use it. If they want it, they need to earn it, they need to deliver something.

    • Hinterlander
      Posted August 14, 2020 at 12:30 pm | Permalink

      No White Guilt put it best, “vote for Trump for what he will not do, not for what he will do.” What will he not do? Severely restrict 1A and 2A for starters. Consider how much more difficult it will be to get our message out if “hate speech” laws are enacted under Biden/Harris as they certainly will be if they win (goodbye to websites like this). Also do you want more armed MAGA types or less? Hello “assault weapons” ban, nationwide gun registry, nationwide “red flag” laws, probably nationwide rounds in magazines restrictions, and possibly more severe 2A restrictions with a Biden/Harris win.

      In what ways would these things help us? What evidence is there that Whites will rise up or awaken to the truth en masse and not take it anymore if a Democrat administration enacts draconian anti-White measures? Where in the world has that ever happened before, and why should we expect a different outcome here?

      If all of these coronavirus-related restrictions, destruction of monuments & cities by anti-Whites, etc have not spurred Whites to action in any significant way, neither will the draconian anti-White actions of a Democrat administration. Admittedly we don’t have any good options but as others have said, worse is not better, it’s just worse. The more time we have to get our message out & win converts the better. Trump will do absolutely nothing for us most likely, but the only alternative is far worse.

  14. Ghost of Arminius
    Posted August 13, 2020 at 1:33 am | Permalink

    Nothing can save America as it is. The whole thing is a sinking ship. The Democrats and the Republicans are both corrupt parties, and the whole Republican establishment held its nose when nominating Trump, and then only reluctantly supported him when they saw how popular he was among the base. Personally, I don’t like Trump, but he was better than the alternative, so that’s why I voted for him — not because I necessarily believed he really would “Make America Great Again.” Even if he were some kind of noble, warrior-poet-god, the petty political establishment would have found a way to undermine him.

    Look, I am probably going to offend some people here, but so be it. I am pro-White, but that does not mean I am anti-Black, anti-Hispanic, or anti- any other group out there. I just happen to like my people and my heritage and I detest the institutionalized hatred towards the White Male (most specifically) that is not only tolerated but encouraged in modern American political discourse. It’s just an inversion of what were — come on, admit it — very real historical grievances. What I’d like to see is for *everyone* to be able to have pride in their people and be able to voice that — and to have their own borders as well as their own economic and political systems as they see fit. We, of course, can speculate as to which ones would accomplish the most, but that is beside the point.

    The bottom line is, America is the Titanic — it hit its iceberg a long time ago and it is taking on water and the only way to move forward is to return to some sense of citizenship, community, folk, etc. that existed before the Enlightenment/Revolutionary French universalist bunk screwed everything up. People have got to return to their ancestral roots and all that entails if they are going to find any true “unity in their diversity.” Globalism, mega-corporations, uber-capitalism, hyper-consumerism, multiculturalism, and every other destructive enterprise spawned by America’s misguided sense of superiority and savior complex that assumes everyone wants to think, act, and live just like us have got to go, plain and simple, if the *people* have any chance of being free and not ruled by bureaucrats, politicians, and big business.

  15. Koll
    Posted August 13, 2020 at 4:02 am | Permalink

    If I were an american I would vote republican and hold my nose doing so. It is a worthless disgusting party. But as long as there is this more or less meaningless vote to give every now and then, the republicans are better then the democrats. But both partys are nothing more then expressions of corruption. A vote will change practicaly nothing. There is no big point in discussing the GOP. Change is only made through activism and propaganda. Support!

    But I would never vote for a George Bush or something like that. A vore for the republicans takes a candidate like Trump. In multy party parlamentary systems the old conservative partys lose to populist partys. The conservatives in Sweden have lost a lot to the populist. Many people voting left in Sweden has also joined the populists. It would be very interesting to se an american political landscape with a multy party system. But at the end of the day partys does not matter. Both the republicans and the democrats can say exactly anything by the year 2035. Avtivism and propaganda and persuation!!

  16. Ian Smith
    Posted August 13, 2020 at 6:24 am | Permalink

    Playing Devil’s Advocate for a moment, in the unlikely event Trump wins in November, a war with Iran might be on the table. Trump had been relatively restrained until his reckless and criminal murder of Gen. Soleimani. Biden will probably try to go back to the Obama policy of detente with the Iranians.

    Our disastrous wars in the Middle East have played a big role in demoralizing white people in middle America. A war with Iran will spill more white blood and further degrade our people.
    That being said, in the big picture, I don’t think it will matter much to white nationalists who wins
    in November.

    That being said, maybe the best thing we can do is try to get Kanye on the ballot in as many states as possible. So many white progressives grumbled about blacks denying them Bernie. How will they feel if enough blacks vote for Yeezy, giving them another 4 years of Trump?

    • Voryn
      Posted August 13, 2020 at 6:58 am | Permalink

      I think a war with Iran, which would likely result in our Gay Disco Mercenary army getting trounced, would be better than the anti-White and anti-Constitutional Hell that Biden’s team will bring down on us.

  17. Hermann
    Posted August 13, 2020 at 7:05 am | Permalink

    Burn it down and piss on it’s ashes. The GOP actually died in 2016, but just never got the memo.

  18. Bernie
    Posted August 13, 2020 at 11:09 am | Permalink

    Perhaps it is time to start looking for a foreign power for help? Maybe Russia or China would appreciate a fifth column in the US who hates it as much – or more – than they do.

  19. Southern Bloom
    Posted August 13, 2020 at 11:48 am | Permalink

    I know Trump has been a big disappointment for us in many ways but it is imperative that he gets elected in November. A Biden-Harris win would mean that the Biden-Sanders plan gets enacted which, to put it very mildly, will hand this country to hell in a hand basket. America will very quickly become a living nightmare for white people and the rest of Western Civilization will follow shortly after.

    The worst part is that Biden is just the Trojan horse. Once he is not able to continue holding office his position will be handed over to Harris, who is a vehement anti-white. She will double down or do more harm to whites than whatever Biden has in store.

    Trump has to be elected not for what he will do but for what he will NOT do (ex. the Biden-Sanders Plan). We need the next four years to bring people over to the white positive sphere. If we do not get that time it may mean game over or at the very least will make reclaiming our destiny much harder. Whoever will be elected in 2024 will probably be a nonwhite who is profoundly anti-white and if we can put that off by four years we have to. We need the next four years to turn the tide in our favor.

  20. Hunter
    Posted August 14, 2020 at 4:26 pm | Permalink

    Okay, boomer.

  21. Triptolemus
    Posted August 15, 2020 at 2:25 pm | Permalink

    The fewer people who vote one way or the other, the better. Historically low voter turnout means that the result cannot be called a ‘mandate.’ Everyone from White nationalists to disaffected Trump supporters should join the mass of non-Whites who already do not vote.

    Trump is a con artist who set us up to become scapegoats. We already know both parties are controlled by Zionists. Trump and Kamala Harris themselves are both ardent Zionists (Biden is more of a technocrat). The two parties work in tandem to fracture our society while furthering Israel’s military objectives. To hinge our strategy on the outcome of the election is already to fall into a trap.

    We have a lot more work to do building the parallel institutions necessary to preserve our folk who are under attack regardless of which party is in power. Either Democrats win and punish Whites, or Republicans win and pander to (and import) non-whites in order to compete with Democrats. It’s lose-lose.

    The economy is already in receivership and we are going to start facing real hardships like food and fuel shortages, price gouging, epidemic homelessness, untenable schools, and the total un-personing of White activists–not just online, but also the inability to get bank accounts, passports, leases, you name it. If we have not built anti-fragile alternative support networks before this happens, it will be too late.

    If Trump wins, we face complacency among his hangers-on, but at the same time the forces of hyperliberalism will ratchet up their attacks, on the street in the form on riots and in the corporate sector in the form of explicitly anti-white policies. If Biden wins, then these very same attacks will have state sponsorship. In other words, it’s acceleration either way.

    However, there is one crack which has not been mentioned here. The Democratic establishment is leery of its progressive wing (especially for its criticism of Zionism and for its pro-worker policies), and this wing is where its energy lies. Progressives will not be satisfied even with the Presidency, a majority in the Senate, a supermajority in the House, packing the Supreme Court, etc. The refrain from their centrists will be, “at least it’s not Trump” but that will not be enough for many who supported Bernie Sanders, because no matter who gets into office, we will continue to slide into third world conditions. Meanwhile, the White progressives who thought the bashing of Whites would abate with Kamala in office will soon find themselves targeted.

    What I am envisioning is that we build our own institutions (including financial institutions) so we can be bring White refugees from both Trumpism and Progressivism into the fold when they realize they have been marked for death. Focusing on the election diverts our energy from the task at hand.

  22. MBlanc46
    Posted August 16, 2020 at 10:58 am | Permalink

    The US at the national level, and at the state level in many states, will have one-party rule because of the continued importation of Third Worlders couple with a low white fertility rate. For the Repubs, the lust for cheap labor on the part of the employer class trumped “conservative principles”. The question for the dissident Right will be how to survive outside of electoral politics, not what sort of a political party we want.

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