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I didn’t watch the Super Bowl, but I did end up finding out about Chrysler’s dramatic attempt to frame the massive federal bailout of their floundering corporation as something to get patriotic about. During the half-time commercial break, Clint Eastwood snarls that “It’s half-time in America” . . .
He explains how the people of America are hurting and wondering what they’re going to do to make a comeback. A shot of a Black man sleeping with a White woman is interpolated with the ruins of Detroit. “The people of Detroit know a little something about this. They almost lost everything. But we all pulled together. Motor City is now fighting again.”
Of course, this revival of Detroit is just ephemeral and hopeless as every single one of the dozens which came before it. As the primaries draw closer to Michigan, the presumptive GOP nominee Mitt Romney will preach an equally vacuous message of false hope and empty patriotism in some factory somewhere in Detroit. While Mitt’s taken to mocking Obama’s message of “hope” as nothing more than a slogan on an old bumper sticker, his family’s own legacy of lying to the people of Detroit about the future spans generations. Mitt’s father George Romney was perhaps the first man to deliver Clint Eastwood’s sappy deception while head of the Detroit Victory Council, an organization created to deal with the 1943 Detroit race riots.
"One day, son, you'll have my job of peddling false hope to that festering cesspool over there."
He rode that jingoistic happy talk into the governorship, even making a shot at the Presidency. As with Eastwood in the Chrysler commercial, neither George nor Mitt nor Barack actually have a plan. As far as I can tell, the basic premise is that life is a fairy tale and we are the good guys, therefore we will end up “winning the future.” Exactly how we’ll win or why we’re the protagonists is left for the viewer to imagine.
It’s not half-time in America. It’s game over in America. Americans are no longer the good guys. We’re wallowing in degeneracy at home and slaughtering innocents abroad. Americans are no longer even Americans, having transitioned so dramatically from the founding stock as to be completely unrecognizable in appearance, principle, and effect.
Clint Eastwood growls “It seems like we’ve lost our heart at times.” Actually, it doesn’t just seem like it. It is an incontrovertible anatomical fact that we’ve lost our heart. He continues, claiming that “The fog of discord, division, and blame made it hard to see what lies ahead.” It’s only humane to find some way to hide from Americans what lies ahead.
“But after those trials, we all rallied around what is right and acted as one.” What’s right? Clint Eastwood won’t tell us. Therein lies the deeply disingenuous nature of this commercial. Nothing “right” was decided on and rallied around. They’ve essentially taken a very small and very temporary increase in Detroit’s industrial productivity, a “dead cat bounce” propelled entirely by massive and unsustainable government subsidization, and pretended that it’s a sign of hope.
Clint’s tone switches from sentimental to angry, “This country can’t be knocked out with one punch. We get right back up again and when we do the world is going to hear the roar of our engines!”
There’s a bait and switch at work here. That country couldn’t be knocked out with one punch. That America could fight and defeat the world’s greatest military empire. That America could be ripped in half by a devastating civil war, pick up the pieces, and move forward. That America could fight and defeat the world’s second and third most powerful armies at the same time.
That was that country. This country slumps into a third world quagmire at the breaking of a single levee. This country’s streets spill over into godawful riots at the slightest provocation. This country . . . whatever it wants to call itself . . . has to borrow from the East Asians, who actually operate profitable manufacturing centers, to keep a handful of the lights on at our own rotting and ruined manufacturing centers.
At the risk of sounding unpatriotic, I do not have hope for this “America.” This America wants to flood the globe with a nightmare swarm of corporate exploitation and robotic drone assaults. That America was a White Christian republic. This America is an anti-White, anti-Christian oligarchy controlled by a vast network of Zionist infiltrators, international bankers, and multinational corporations.
At the risk of sounding unpatriotic, I do not want to “join together” with this motley bazaar of strangers who are at best alien to and at worst hostile to the America I’m loyal to. Loyalty to my American nation is treason to this American state. For all Clint Eastwood’s triumphalism, the game is over and the patriots have lost.
Editor’s Note: On related issues, see Greg Johnson, “A Tariff in Time . . .”
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Amen. Well said.
Excellent piece. There is no spirituality to Americanism (at least the America of today). It’s hard to be loyal to an economic zone out of any higher principle.
As someone who’s live abroad and seen how advanced and prosperous East Asians are as whole compared to our third world amalgamation, I would agree that the game is over. Incidentally, looking at that of 1964 New York makes me very nostalgic.
Good to see Matt is coming to the correct conclusions. Patriotism to a multiracial corporate empire is treason to the Nation. When enough people realize this, we’ll be on our way to redemption.
“Mitt’s father George Romney was perhaps the first man to deliver Clint Eastwood’s sappy deception…”
I yield to no one in my loathing of Mitt Romney, and I agree with the general sentiment of your piece, but as someone who was born and raised in the Michigan of Geo. Romney, I must disagree that
“He rode that jingoistic happy talk into the governorship, even making a shot at the Presidency. As with Eastwood in the Chrysler commercial, neither George nor Mitt nor Barack actually have a plan.”
First off, I don’t even recall his “Detroit Victory Council” at all, much less having anything to do with his rise to power. Geo. Romney’s claim to fame was that he had single-handedly fought off what today would be called “corporate raiders” [like, say, Mitt Romney] and orchestrated the rebirth of several small local auto companies as American Motors, eventually the 7th largest auto company in the world. Along the way, he coined the term “gas-guzzling dinosaurs” to describe the then-Big Three, as part of creating the first American “compact” or “economy” car — and how much better positioned would America be today, viz a viz oil and de-industrialization and globalization, would we be if more had followed his lead, along with a pioneering version of what we now call “employee profit sharing.”
The point is, this all was integral to creating in Detroit a post-War worker’s paradise, which allowed White culture a brief moment of dominance. That was his “plan,” and it worked quite well for White folks. Hardlya case of “… his family’s own legacy of lying to the people of Detroit about the future spans generations.”
It was his strong response to the 1967 riot, not some 1940s do-gooder committee, that led to his being positioned as a candidate in 1968 against Johnson. Note that he was the ANTI-war candidate, not unlike Dennis Kucinich or Ron Paul today.
Like Kucinich and Paul, the media looked for a way to ruin him with mockery [cf. the 2008 debate where Kucinich was asked about his views on UFO’s] and found it when Romney, with Aryan courage and integrity, admitted he had changed his views on Viet Nam when he realized the Pentagon had “brainwashed” him. Rather than concentrate on Pentagon mind control [cf. the WMD deception, and the current “nuclear Iran” hysteria] the press relentlessly mocked Romney — cartoons showed him with soap bubbles popping out of his ears, an irresistible image in Michigan, since he had replace Democrat G. Mennen “Soapy” Williams as governor. [Remember Seinfeld‘s Costanza‘s dating mantra, “Buy Mennen!”]
Eugene McCarthy was sandbagged by Bobby Kennedy [who of course was subsequently eliminated] and Romney was sandbagged by the media; thus the election wound up between the Establishment knights Humphrey and Nixon. And we know how well that turned out.
No figure of the past is immaculate, except perhaps Francis Parker Yockey. By that standard, who would survive? To live, Burroughs says in Nova Express, is to collaborate. But we need to have an accurate picture of the past before we can start dismissing figures who may have something to contribute to our struggle.
Sure, Geo. Romney was one of those Northeastern “liberal” Republicans, and his views on integration were hardly pro-White. But rather than the “source” of Mitt’s far more anti-White positions, he represents a far more useful past.
I believe both George and Mitt have a proven record as competent stewards, and I only singled George Romney out because of his central role in overseeing the decline of Michigan and his son’s central role in stepping up to oversee the decline of America. I have been–somewhat aptly–accused of being biased in favor of the Romneys; both as a sort of “Jack Mormon” and as a systems analyst who admires Mitt’s detached and analytical leadership style.
In fact, am the first on the White Right to come out and admit a man-crush on Mitt Romney.
George did eagerly embrace the Civil Rights movement and did very little to hold off Modernity on any other front. He simply did a competent and sincere job as a steward, as I’m sure his son will do. While that does place them above villains like Newt and buffoons like Bush, it does not place them above harsh criticism for having taken a leadership role in managing our decline.
Regarding the notion of American decline, the historian, neocon theorist and Jew Robert Kagan recently pointed out that these claims have been made about America before, and nothing has ever happened. America has been said to be in inexorable decline in the past, and every time it has turned out that America was not in inexorable decline. Like most mainstream analysts, Kagan’s position is that America is in a temporary slump from which it will likely rebound as it has always done in the past.
Although Kagan needs to taken with a grain of salt given that he is essentially a court historian for the empire, he backs up his case with a slew of facts and good logic.
In point of fact, the various White dissidents seem to be the only ones who believe America is on an irreversible trajectory downward.
Other ethnic groups don’t talk this way and don’t appear to believe it. Outside White circles, Mark Steyn, William Kunstler and the Global Guerillas writer John Robb are examples of people who seem to believe it; however, they are exceptions and don’t speak for anyone but themselves.
Meanwhile, mega-corporations continue to make billion dollar deals extending 15, 20 and 30 years into the future. It raises the question of why would the smart, well informed and super wealthy do that if America won’t be here in that time frame except nominally?
It’s clear that many competent people have looked at the data and trends and come up with very different conclusions than us.
While we talk of decline and the vital importance of further marginalizing ourselves from mainstream society, the SWPL Whites, business-oriented Whites, Jews, Indians, Chinese people and Muslims living in America are going all in on the global economy.
Given that we are almost alone in reaching apocalyptic conclusions about the future premised on inexorable decline, I think it’s a real possibility that WNist analysis of the trends is deeply flawed. If so, it follows that any proposed White strategies calling for radical separation from society based on the premise of decline need to be seriously questioned and possibly rethought and discarded.
Lew,
The thesis of my article was that the radical demographic changes have fundamentally broken that pattern. An entirely different group of people with entirely different values now calls itself “America”. A good comparison would be with Mexico, where the Spanish people could have confidently declared that their backs have been against the wall repeatedly throughout history, but this time they would bounce back. The they of contemporary Mexico is not the they of the Spanish empire.
Well, if we’re the only ones taking human capital into account, then that would only make sense. I don’t think predictions that America will continue drifting towards the socioeconomic conditions commensurate with its precipitously declining human capital are all that uncommon outside America. From what I’ve read, a good share of Eastern Europeans and East Asians who’ve studied America are arriving at similarly dire predictions for our future.
As we recently witnessed with the housing bubble, the market isn’t perfect and it does get caught up in bubbles. For several years, Ron Paul sounded like a fool, defying the predictions of the smartest guys in the world who were doubling down by the trillions on more and more real estate investments. His model of reality was more accurate than theirs, and he was well-positioned to profit both financially and politically from the event he predicted.
America has been and remains the hotspot of the global financial machine, so talented foreigners can do very well for themselves here. I don’t think they’re actually betting on America or putting down roots here. That hotspot has shifted quite frequently throughout Western history, and there’s no reason to assume that New York City is the last and final home of the international cosmopolitan elites.
Thinking or doing something that nobody else is thinking or doing is indeed a good reason to pause and carefully think about what you’re doing. It’s not, as you seem to imply, proof that we’re incorrect. I cannot figure out how America will remain competitive with Eastern Europe and East Asia in the coming decades. I cannot figure out how America’s political system will not become volatile as the commonality of concerns necessary to ensure a stable democracy slips away from us. If you can show me where I’m wrong, I’m all ears, but the knowledge and reason at my disposal have left me with no choice at this point but to break from the herd.
Matt Parrott:
Thinking or doing something that nobody else is thinking or doing is indeed a good reason to pause and carefully think about what you’re doing. It’s not, as you seem to imply, proof that we’re incorrect.
I don’t see it as conclusive proof we are incorrect. I see it as credible evidence that while not conclusive points to us being incorrect or partially incorrect.
As an example of counter-evidence, the Kagan essay is a good summary of a contrary view. He looks at the issues from a macro-historical and geopolitical perspective and assembles a good bit of evidence that works against the WNist position on decline.
Kagan is a Zionist Jew and an ardent supporter of American hegemony and the existing global order (for obvious reasons), so his perspective couldn’t possibly be more diametrically opposed to our own; however, I think this is what makes his analysis valuable for our side. He raises issues that in my experience are rarely discussed in our circles and that suggest what we believe is true is not actually true.
The good news is that Kagan seems firmly convinced that if the US government does indeed decline, the international order will definitely go down with it. But if he is right, that would of course be the opposite (very bad news).
I’m a bit unclear on what you mean by turning your back on the herd. Can I ask what you mean by this? Do you mean discarding once and for all the idea that there is even the slightest or improbable chance the American system will ever work for Whites, or something else?
http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/magazine/99521/america-world-power-declinism
Lew,
It was a reference to a departure from popular opinion. I’m not being iconoclastic just to be iconoclastic.
As for the Kagan article, I concede that even an all-White America would have to cope with “the rise of the rest” and deal with its no longer enjoying the hegemony it’s grown accustomed to. As he suggests, our declining relative position is not necessarily a signal of imminent doom.
Besides, Kagan and I seem to be concerned about very different things. I, for one, am not especially concerned about maintaining America’s global influence and power projection, so the general sweep of his article is beside the point for me. It does seem to rather effectively put some things in perspective about the actual scope and style of American power projection over the decades, but it doesn’t even address what I believe to be the crux of the matter: human capital.
As Kagan convincingly demonstrates, America made one strategic error after another and had several things blow up in its face. We did, however, have the genuine wealth necessary to get back up after each punch. Analogously, Hurricane Katrina was not the first natural disaster to strike America, and certainly not the first domestic policy disaster. It was, I would argue, a portent of how this America will prove less resilient in the wake of history’s natural course of obstacles, challenges, and black swan events.
A precipitous decline in human capital seems to me to be something which cannot be hand-waved away as merely one of many challenges America has met and will likely overcome. It’s sort of like arguing that a professional wrestler has gone up against the strongest and meanest opponents in the world, therefore, his having been castrated is but one more challenge he’ll surely overcome. Just as castration transforms the fundamental nature of a man, a precipitous drop in the nation’s average aptitude and ability through uncontrolled immigration transforms the fundamental nature of a state.
I’m all ears, but I have yet to hear an argument–much less a convincing one–for how America will continue to succeed while its aptitude and ability declines precipitously. I’m forced to conclude, albeit anxiously, that I am correct and the rest of the world is incorrect. I’m forced to conclude, albeit anxiously, that WNs are the only ones correct because we’re the only ones who disregard the taboos against considering these critical factors.
THEIR GOAL IS GENOCIDE. OURS. WHAT’S YOURS?
Lew in blockquote:
There have been several American Nations in the American Cultural Moment. “Temporary slumps” are rebounded from by transformational social systems and technologies. Yet, permanent change follows, in a destructive manner, laying the foundation for something constructive, something better – hopefully, much better.
The Confederacy was an archaic replication of the elite of the British Empire. It’s being left to the dustbin of history makes whatever replaces it much better, certainly for our Race.
1. James Kuntsler.
2. “Other ethnic groups” can not imagine a world without White people, without Western Civilization. In our absence, everything goes back dramatically; the example of what Detroit has become in just fifty years, the cultural blink of an eye, is an example.
They seem to live in a timeless state, like children, and can not imagine street lights being removed because people will steal the copper in the power lines. Talk about setting the house on fire to keep warm!
THEIR America will be here, and it will here for THEM. You try getting TARP funding, YOU try getting trillions of dollars without question. Remember, if these deals go wrong, the government will bail THEM out. THEIR America will be there to support them. YOU are another story altogether.
To us, the absence of continuous improvement IS proof of decline. One of the foundations of American Culture – American Exceptionalism – is unique to the West. The rest of the world is quite content to live at essentially stagnant levels. This is the hallmark of classical Asia, for example.
And. they are going “all in on the global economy,” which is ONLY a global economy because we sent our economic systems and tools overseas.
Our analysis is accurate, and is proven more so every day. Ask anyone who would move to Detroit, or East St. Louis, or South Central Los Angeles, why they would choose to move there rather than a place in the Homeland.
They wouldn’t.
That’s why the flow of White people – positive, Creative, hard-working, problem-solving White people – is FROM there TO the Northwest, even if that is only few miles Northwest to the next suburb.
To lightly paraphrase “Paul Kersey,” from SPBDL.com (paraphrasing the famous line in the move “They Live”) “They Can SEE!”
They can SEE the indicia of decline more clearly than those from a distance. They can SEE the boarded-up shops, they can SEE the vacant manufacturing facilities, they can SEE the school systems hiring illiterates to graduate illiterates, they can SEE productive capital thrown into the maw of unproductive capital, and, as Harold Covington so astutely says, “They are literally fleeing for their lives, the lives of their families, and their future.”
Rightfully so.
To raise your Children in such a system seems to be the functional equivalent of human sacrifice, to a God that demands your sons become geldings, your daughters become whores, mere Eloi, as prey for his Morlocks to feast off of, even as they suck the marrow from their bones.
If that isn’t Collapse, what is?
What’s In YOUR Future? Focus Northwest!
“…Chrysler’s dramatic attempt to frame the massive federal bailout of their floundering corporation as something to get patriotic about.”
It was patriotic to bail out Chrysler. It may not have been capitalist — which in the economic reductionist world view of modern con$ervatives seems to be the only thing that matters — but it was pro-American. Chrysler is an iconic American brand, employs thousands of Americans, and as a large auto manufacturer, is a vital industry.
Conservatives bitch and moan about the bailouts to GM and Chrysler or earmarks used to build parks and museums, but see no problem giving billions to Iraq, Afghanistan, Egypt, Israel, etc. I guess money is only ‘wasted’ when it is spent on actually benefiting normal Americans — instead of Israeli foreign policy objectives.
See my 2008 article on the bailouts here: https://counter-currents.com/2010/06/a-tariff-in-time-saves-billions/
Good comment DLF. I’m glad that someone got on here and actually stuck up for the AMERICAN auto industry. Granted they’re not perfect and have bought in lock, stock and barrel to globalism, but thousands of hard working white people would have been destroyed without the bailout. Maybe if our country hadn’t stupidly rebuilt Japan after World War II we wouldn’t have ever needed a bailout of our domestic auto industry. Wait a minute, maybe we shouldn’t have gotten involved in WWII to begin with. I forgot about that little misadventure.
Dear Lew…
Other ethnic groups don’t talk this way and don’t appear to believe it. Why should they? They are the one who are contributing to it’s decline.
Meanwhile, mega-corporations continue to make billion dollar deals extending 15, 20 and 30 years into the future. It raises the question of why would the smart, well informed and super wealthy do that if America won’t be here in that time frame except nominally? Corporations trive to survive as a firm based on money not as a nation based on flag and boarders.
While we talk of decline and the vital importance of further marginalizing ourselves from mainstream society, the SWPL Whites, business-oriented Whites, Jews, Indians, Chinese people and Muslims living in America are going all in on the global economy.
That’s because they are part and parcle of the mess they created that’s why America takes in most of the refuse of the (3 turd world) immigrants in every year!
In decline, America will go done, whites and non whites. It’s af terwards that will matter most, what sort of America will emerge!
“There’s a bait and switch at work here. That country couldn’t be knocked out with one punch. That America could fight and defeat the world’s greatest military empire. That America could be ripped in half by a devastating civil war, pick up the pieces, and move forward. That America could fight and defeat the world’s second and third most powerful armies at the same time.”
I thought the same thing when I read the article. This goes to Lew’s thoughts as well. Never has this country faced such demographic changes, which, given the truths of HBD, cannot bode well. Sure, certain globalist whites will continue to do extremely well, but what of the formerly well-off middle class? This time it’s really different. To contend otherwise ignores the extreme debt load — mostly public because private debts are deleveraging and hence the need for more public spending — and zero bound interest rates.
Many of our handlers surely do believe that if we can keep the public spending up long enough we can extricate ourselves from this mess with more private spending once the populace’s animal spirits are rekindled. I’m personally betting that they’re wrong.
Very well stated, Matt.
Matt, According to America’s song it is only half time:
Now the half-time air was sweet perfume
While sergeants played a marching tune
We all got up to dance
Oh, but we never got the chance
Cause the players tried to take the field
The marching band refused to yield
OK; I will attempt to sketch out a minimal bare bones counter-argument.
My basic concern here is that WNists tend to speak of imminent American decline with a level of confidence and certainty that is not justified by historical, factual or logical evidence.
To begin with the obvious, predicting the future is imposible, and no one can ever be certain about future events. This is basic. It’s not possible when dealing with social and political matters. So right off the bat, there is logical problem with the “game over” proposition that most WNists usually ignore.
Second, my main evidence that decline is far from certain, or that it’s not necessarily game over, comes down to the realities I alluded to above: the glaring absence of panic about decline among almost everyone but us.
It’s just not plausible that irreversible decline is startlingly obvious when almost no one else is noticing.
The large corporations I mentioned earlier are an example of a powerful sector stacked with smart people who get paid big bucks to analyze future trends and who seem unconcerned about major changes in the business setting stemming from drastic decline. Note that many of these corporations create things rather than make money from financial manipulation in New York.
For example, Boeing makes planes. When Boeing agrees in 2012 to deliver jumbo jets to Delta in 2022, it suggests to me that Boeing expects to be operating here in the United States for the next ten years and for their environment to be essentially the same, and for Delta to be operating here too and still around in 2022.
While the financial parasites based in New York can operate from anywhere in the world, Boeing can’t, Caterpillar can’t, a company like Pfizer probably could but doesn’t, and numerous other companies like Exxon and big energy don’t either. So the question naturally arises why aren’t these moving all of their operations overseas now if American decline is certain? It has to be that they don’t believe decline is certain. Is there another plausible answer? (Institutional inertia maybe?)
Regarding Robert Kagan, I don’t share his concerns either. Kagan is a neocon Jew. His concerns are irrelevant to me. As you point out, he wants the exact opposite of what we want. He wants the existing order to continue; we want it destroyed as soon as possible.
True enough. But what I do share with Robert Kagan, and what I suspect we all share with Kagan to some extent, is a common interest in the question of whether America is entering a period of serious and irreversible decline or not. And even though he does not want our outcome, he is qualified to credibly address the issue, and his analysis seems to point away from decline.
Maybe Kagan ignores human capital because he is a Jew with an agenda, or because he is a race egalitarian who sees all people as fungible, or both. Or, maybe he ignores human capital because he doesn’t ascribe as much importance to it as we do based on his analysis of the evidence. Not every person who disagrees with us is an intellectually dishonest liar, even among Jews.
I’m not going to address the element of your response related to the impact of degraded human capital arising from America’s ongoing demographic transformation. If you want to advance this exchange, I feel this is something you ought to do (if you care to of course; time is short; I don’t mean to imply you have to).
You’re the one claiming with a certainty that it’s “game over,” and that these human capital changes will be decisive in America’s inability to be resilient in the future as opposed to in the past. This means the burden of proof is on you to show that this is true not me to show that it isn’t.
I’m all ears as well, and so far all I’ve seen is statements that assume with no supporting argument human capital will be decisive, along with a funny analogy about a castrated wrestler.
America’s most destructive group, the home grown Blacks, represent about 13% of the population and are projected to stay in that range. While Blacks have destroyed isolated pockets of America, they haven’t taken the whole country down yet, and if they don’t rise above 13%, I don’t see how they could in the future. The Hispanic population is expected to grow dramatically due to open borders immigration, but Hispanics while no intellectual match for Whites are definitely not as inept as the Blacks.
As for the other immigrant groups coming in to America in the rising tide of color — the Arabs, Indians, Chinese and others — they probably have average IQs that meet acceptable minimums for purposes of sustaining a complex society even if they are culturally alien by Western standards and hostile to White interests.
Anecdotal examples: The Patel Indian family does a decent job running motels. They don’t collect welfare or riot, and neither do the Chinese doctors or the Philippine nurses.
So where exactly is this overwhelmingly conclusive evidence on a relationship between human capital and national success that is so strong it proves beyond a doubt that a country this big and complex can be driven to Third World status in a few decades?
You have anything in mind not derived from Lynn, Rushton or the handful of the academics WNists are always citing? I know about their work, but it’s only a small slice of work in field that rejects most of what they have to say. I doubt all of the rejection is ideologically motivated. Even if say 75% is, that would still leave 25% of the field disputing Lynn’s positions on wealth, IQ and nations.
Just to be clear, I don’t think America is particularly nice or healthy place to raise my family or any White family, I regard the US government as the command center for EVIL in the world, and if the US government fell apart tomorrow I would be overjoyed.
I also accept there are trends pointing to decline, but disagree (I think) with damn near everyone in our circles this decline will be a rapid descent into squalor and/or is irreversible. There is just not enough evidence (IMO) to conclude this with the certainty many of us do.
While I’m sure the cultural environment will only get more noxious and the general decadence worse, in terms of material wealth and overall societal functioning — the trains running on time — America could stay about where it is now for a long time to come.
If the decline won’t be rapid and/or isn’t certain to happen, it has all kinds of implications for White strategy and approach, but that is another topic.
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Matt Parrott
Posted February 7, 2012 at 3:43 pm | Permalink
Lew,
I argue that not only will America decline in the near future, but that it’s been declining for some time in my recent With a Whimper essay. I don’t believe it will be especially precipitous or dramatic, and believe the slide will be met with denial and distraction. At every point in Detroit’s history, the court historians insisted that the problems were going to be under control real soon now and that a promising future was just around the corner. At every point in Detroit’s history, the massive multinational corporations were throwing good money into an open sewer.
I’ll masticate on the rest of what you’re saying for a while. I firmly believe I’m right, but it’s late and all I’m coming up with right now are sassy rejoinders like “You can’t have a first world country with a third world population!”
A long period of stagnation or mild but persistent decline seems the most likely scenario. Demography is destiny and ours is not looking good. Yes, it takes a while for these changes to work through a system, however, on a relative basis, the US decline may look more dramatic, when compared to China, Japan, and perhaps even many European nations (while Europe has even more debt than we do, they have Whiter populations which gives them more human capital). I wonder if Australia may not start looking really good.
I might add that the decline of American power may or may not be good for Whites like us. There are everyday advantages to living in the most powerful nation on earth. Would you rather be a marginalized White group in a mighty nation that pretty much rules the world, or be a marginalized White group in a crappy multicultural second rate country? I have no idea which is best.
Now, for a real indicator of when the US has crossed a Rubicon, look for the day when smart foreign students have no interest in staying in the US – and especially the day when they have no interest in coming here in the first place. While I don’t like the foreign students, their presence is still a sign we offer something most countries don’t.
It’s a nice rejoinder and one I often use myself in other venues and contexts.
But since we’re all on the same side here and talking amongst ourselves, I have to say I think there some are problems with this rejoinder.
First, it doesn’t fit our circumstances. In point of fact, we don’t have a third world majority. We have a first world majority and will continue to have one for some time to come, which is a fact I think supports my position that it’s not certain America will decline quickly.
Second, is it even true that the presence of a third world population means you can’t sustain first world conditions across an entire country? It’s obviously not entirely true.
All or most of the nation needs to be of Third World stock for Third World Conditions to obtain. If they are not a big majority, the historical pattern shows you send up with third world conditions in some places in the nation but not others, not third world conditions over the entire country.
THEIR GOAL IS GENOCIDE. OURS. WHAT’S YOURS?
Lew in blockquote:
If you spend more than you make, you will go under, sooner or later – period. The issue is not “IF,” the question is “WHEN,” and the next question is, “WHAT will it look like?”
“Detroit” sounds pretty accurate. If you want “decline” as the path to Collapse in microcosm, that’s an excellent example. Fifty years ago, the blink of an eye, culturally, it was a preeminent world power. Today, formal city policy is to literally abandon vast sections of it to “nature.” That’s “Collapse,” for sure.
Lew, they DO make things overseas, particularly in China, which has a “equal to or greater/best available technology” clause in all of its contracts with American manufacturers. Boeing signed on to it, and has Caterpillar, as has Pfizer, because they all want to be in the next growth market. My God, in the same day, GM North America – the one that filed bankruptcy – laid off 25,000 people, and GM Shanghai HIRED 25,000 people. GM’s new state of the art Design Studios are in Shanghai. The new Buick was designed and built in Shanghai. See the pattern?
Ask Kagan why so many multi-millionaires are getting the passports of other nations, and are moving their assets offshore. Why has the Ford family moved to Dyabakir, Turkey? What do they know that we don’t?
As the Somalis displace the Whites, and the Mexicans displaced the Whites and the Coloreds, do you really think Los Angeles in fifty years will be anything other than the capital of Alta California, with the same demography – crime, etc., as Tijuana, with more reliable electricity? Can you make a great nation with Hispanic political values, and an average IQ of 90?
No.
See this is microcosm in cities where the whites have fled for their lives. Why do you suppose they have given up even giving away housing in Detroit, and are returning it to the natural state?
90 IQ people, and that’s the good ones. When you deal with the Indians, you get down to 70. You simply can not even sustain Western Civilization with less than a 100 IQ. Again, look at Detroit, or Birmingham, or Philadelphia…
They took down communities, cities, and entire regions. Concentrated, they are the Destroyer of all collective organization of any complexity. I suspect the Blacks will decline demographically as welfare fades away, and their territories are occupied by the Reconquista. I suspect the Blacks who were housed in Houston during Hurricane Katrina were politely told – once – by members of loosely organized Hispanic organizations, that they had best not plan on staying there long. I further suspect that many went back to New Orleans, only to be told their jobs had been filled by people who have a very limited grasp of English, but a work ethic to beat the band. Incidentally, the opening of Mexico’s new Consulate in New Orleans was given masssive coverage on Univision, including the visit by President Bush. No mention in the US media of this.
Hispanics organize along gang lines very quickly, and might be organizing in ways we might not feel comfortable with. Their Elite, the Castilian Gentry, fit in with us perfectly. They WANT to be us.
Yet, they see the situation as pure ethnic economic warfare. We don’t. They also see it as a zero sum game.
The Indians whose families own the hotels bought a lot of them on very favorable terms back in the Seventies, when we were in real economic trouble. The IRS grants them an exemption for income taxes for two years. At the end of the two years, Brother comes in on a visa, puts the property in his name, and this continues on.
The Chinese doctors do very well with the Medicaid business. The Philippine nurses do bring their family over as quickly as possible, and they are on welfare.
Second World status, on the way to Third World status.
Third World – the inner cities.
Second World – the outer sectors of the cities.
First Worlds – smaller and smaller slices of the Edge Cities, and suburbia.
Nothing is getting better for any of it. Why do you suppose every White family that can has fled Southern California? Truckers report seeing care and minivans loaded up like scenes out of “The Grapes of Wrath,” with mattresses on their roofs, at the truck stops on the California/Arizona border.
Look at the Census Bureau projections of twenty years ago, and look at their projections for twenty years from now. Once an area hits a critical mass of a certain demographic, the tipping point is fighting the power of black holes, sucking all of the light and energy – and money – into it.
HOW can this be reversed? Look to Detroit for one example, or Birmingham for another, or South Central Los Angeles for yet another. What possible counterforce can you imagine? Wouldn’t such energies be better spent being the lviing foundation of a new nation?
Want to see a possible example of what social eugenics can do in fifty years? Your choice, Rhodesia/Zimbabwe or…
Singapore.
We have so much wealth, but the decline is irreversibly pointing in one direction. The difference between evolution and revolution is rate of change, and that is no less true for devolution. The arrow is set to “devolution,” and you won’t really notice it until an IRREVERSIBLE critical mass of devolution suddenly appears, like the sinkhole in the road.
The decline is not only certain, it is happening. The issue is, we will need decades to make better much better, and the greater Reality. This can best be done in the Northwest.
Inertia just means you go from the quiet self-confidence of the Southern California of the Beach Boys, to a Southern California where the sounds of Hemi ‘Cudas have been replaced by the sounds of taco trucks. In less than fifty years, without a shot being fired, Los Angeles IS the capital of Alta California, and you can not do one thing whatsoever about that, except to flee for your life, while you can.
As my first supervisor told me, “Son, you can do s lot of things as manager. As for changing people for the better, well, you can’t fix fucked up.” Don’t try.
Move to a better place, and be a better person. The Northwest is perfect.
What’s In YOUR Future? Focus Northwest!
FOC: Good response. I’m short on time today and tomorrow. I will try to respond to some of this later if this discussion is still running.
Comments here sometimes cross because of the moderation delay; I wish I would have thought to previously mention this point, but I am specifically interested in how the decline pattern will unfold in the very near future, during the productive life span of the people reading here, while we’re all still young enough to do something about it and make the best decisions for our families and other Whites.
It took 50 years to destroy Detriot and Southern California. But even there, there are still places that look very nice (to me) even now. The parts of San Diego I saw a few years ago looked beautiful. I was also in the Santa Monica area of LA for a short business function about a year ago. With all the talk about the decline of California in these circles, I was half expecting Road Warrior conditions. Instead, the neighborhood was nice and first world.
THEIR GOAL IS GENOCIDE. OURS. WHAT’S YOURS?
Lew in blockquote:
Great. This is a very useful topic.
A good rule of thumb is to see decline as the slow reversal of the growth pattern; less developed roads, for example, lower energies on the power lines, children becoming less knowledgeable and intellectually competent, and so forth. One objective indicator I like to use (informally) is the quality of the infrastructure in a region. There are others, like flows of the quality of human capital. Remember, Collapse, like growth, takes place on the margins. When the cancer overwhelms the productive powers of the host, only then is it all too apparent, and when we finally can see it, it is all too late.
La Jolla is beautiful, but Richard Russell has stated that it is not as nice as it was, by a long shot, and homeless now appear far too often. In La Jolla. You know the demographics of La Jolla. Who could have imagined this even a decade ago?
Thirty years ago, the informal motto of the San Diego Chamber of Commerce was, “Don’t tell anyone else how nice it is here.” I suspect the new demographics are a bit different. For Richard Russell to write so directly of the situation in La Jolla gives pause to considering what the critical mass/tipping point will be when La Jolla becomes part of Alta California.
A casual look at the demographics of Southern California reveals one group is being displaced and replaced by another. The political leaders of Compton – COMPTON! – are fully aware of this. We should be, as well.
What’s In YOUR Future? Focus Northwest!
If you spend more than you make, you will go under, sooner or later – period.
Yes, but you can come right back up with the right population. Germany went under after hyperinflation and recovered. Germany and Japan went under in WWII, yet both recovered nicely. If you have a high quality population, you surely do suffer from debt crashes, but you can also recover.
Of course as you know, the difference is when the underlying human capital has deteriorated. So the only question is how far along are we? When does the parasite load on our nation become too great? It will happen, but I tend to think it’s impossible to predict when. Perhaps we will have endless stagnation starting now, or maybe we muddle through for a few decades more. We have to be careful about a certain bias at work, since most of us want the system to fail.
There are still scores of millions of smart hard working Whites out there, along with Asians and Indians who are productive. It’s a good analogy to think of how Mexico realized it was no longer the Spanish Empire, but they had much fewer Whites when they faced that truth, if I am not mistaken.
THEIR GOAL IS GENOCIDE. OURS. WHAT’S YOURS?
Jason Speaks in blockquote, cites in italics:
If you spend more than you make, you will go under, sooner or later – period.
Both redefined their currency regimes, as well. Note that German Recovery 1 – the NSDAP Cultural Moment – had the tremendous engineering skills of the Todt Organization in place. German Recovery 2 was formed because smart people recognized that Stalin was going for the win, one way or another, after V-E Day. Again, incidentally, another currency regime.
I don’t see it so much as a “bias” as a sort of premature fatalism. That having been said, what the Northwest Republic Analytical Model seeks it to lay the foundation now for the New Renaissance on the other side of the New Dark Ages that are certain to come. This implies, for example, wholesale rejection of the archaic economic systems, basing the New Economy on the ideas of Ecological Economics. As swell, such tremendous waste as we currently have should be formally treated as an external cost, and the economic system will then minimize this.
This fatalism is a sort of wishful thinking of the New Nihilists, who hoe for a System that refuses to validate them collapses, as proof that they were right, all along. Not going to happen. The people who fail to develop their skillsets in THIS System will not do any better in the Next System.
This point must be addressed at greater length, as this is where Covington is head and shoulders above all who come before him, with the possible exception of Rockwell. Covington rejected that our situation was totally the fault of the Enemies of the Week, whether it was the Jews, the INSIDERS, the International Bankers, the Communists, whatever. To all who defined these as The Problems, Covington then asked the great question posed by Peter Shank, with his incessant modification, “And THEN What?”
Peter Shank asked the Question:
“Assume that whatever group you are opposed to goes away, magically, tomorrow morning. WHAT would you do THEN, and WHY aren’t you doing that NOW?”
Covington asked the same Question, and addressed all answers with three words:
“And THEN What?”
That Question, and the Second Questions, struck fear into the poseurs of what called itself a Movement. Those are both VERY important Questions, and must be answered, one way or another. Most will simply elf-medicate and watch the Fall of Darkness from what they think is safe enough distance, with no thought whatsoever for their Family, their Posterity.
Nihilistic fools, and failures, to a man.
That is why I continually ask people to describe the world they will experience in the year 2050, starting with what is outside their bedroom windows.
THAT is the Freudian Mirror they dare not look into. Fine. Let them live in whatever Hell their medications will tolerate for them.
Good point.
Absent, say, the use of horrific weapons, The Decline will continue slowly and softly, (absent the occasional currency disruption, cutting our income and asset values in half, overnight) until life is no longer bearable.
Yet, it will take every moment of that time to develop the Living Foundation of the New Nation, so that something your Posterity will be proud of will be up and running to protect them and defend them. The appearance of prosperity can be quickly removed from view, particularly when The Great Reset marks items to their new, true, market value.
A historical example: The Mormons under Joseph Smith drained worthless swampland, made it productive, formed a new social and economic order, and used this as the foundation for a city that, at the time, was more populous than Chicago. The success of the Mormons in Nauvoo aroused the enmity of their neighbors, and the Mormons were forced to flee their homes, their city, their temple, and all they had worked for. Overnight, The Great Reset marked all they had built to the new market value, nothing.
And, as for the economic productivity of those people out there, note that the head of MIT’s Robotics Lab said robots could do away with EIGHTY PERCENT of the jobs done now. Cab driver? Warehouse forklift operator? The Asians? The NINETEEN CENT AN HOUR employees of Foxconn China, who build Apple products, are being replaced by the largest robotics orde in history, and order that will transform the industry. Apple will buy one million industrial robots. They are cheaper than nineteen cents an hour employees.
THAT is why the metapolitical perspective offered by counter-currents is so important, and THAT is why we need a Racial Homeland for the Racially Conscious Community. We need the greatest possible stable and positive Framework to do The Work that only we, collectively, can even imagine, much less perform.
Leave for others control of the dirt and the mud.
We offer our Children three things: Honor, Duty, and the Stars.
The best place for that is OUR Racial Homeland, the Northwest Republic.
What’s In YOUR Future? Focus Northwest!
Gentlemen, you have all made some incisive, wise and judicious comments here, as well as posing some valid questions. Essentially, as far as White America is concerned, unless impeded, we are on a glide path down to an ultimate genetic crash. There will be many bumps, free-falls and temporary updrafts along the way down, but down is still where we are going at this point in time. Asleep at the switch, we may unfortunately have already crossed our racial Rubicon. Fourmyle has stated many of the obvious facts on the ground. These issues should be manifest to anyone with an observant mind, who has been around a few decades to witness it, or the sagacity to discern it. The social, racial and financial problems in the White West are accelerating and compounding on a daily basis. I could cite much statistical and anecdotal evidence of decline, that I have personally seen, and which only substantiates what Stoddard, Madison Grant, Elmer Pendell, Buchanan and others have already discussed in detail. Plus, we are facing Peak Oil, resource depletion, environmental degradation, Third World overpopulation, White demographic decline, debt pyramiding and a host of other compounding problems that will directly affect us in a negative way.
The Anglo-Judeo plutocracy is riding its white milk herd into the ground, blind in its insatiable greed, and oblivious to the consequences. Metaphorically, I personally feel that the system is currently swirling around the bottom of the drain, and about to plunge into an ugly sewer. The corrupt system has been running on borrowed money and borrowed time for way too long, and is beginning to levitate. When the washout occurs, and the ultimate asset stripping of the White middle class becomes obvious, the bastards will let the velvet glove fall, and rule their degenerate empire with an iron fist. This will be the case as the bankrupt system stumbles into insolvency, and the welfare checks have to be cut. Then the dark low-life’s will inevitably rampage, and unhinge the make-believe, inter-racial, liberal house of cards. With their media control, the oligarchs will sugarcoat the disaster (and their naked tyranny) as ”saving democracy”, “enhanced internal security”, or whatever it takes to fool the ever gullible White public. And….quite predictably, many of the apathetic, dumbed down white victims will actually applaud the fraud! This scenario may play out in various ways, and speeds, but it is assuredly coming, sooner or later. The signs of this looming debacle are everywhere, and without a strong, organized White advocacy group-in-waiting, it is problematic whether we [WN] will politically benefit from it. The denouement facing the White World has been brewing, as an historical process, for at least a century or more, and it is rapidly running its Darwinian course. The yawning abyss is there, despite the shining glitz currently covering it. As someone once wisely said in our circles, civilization is a mile wide, and a quarter inch deep.
Junghans: Well said. That was a very lucid and elegant recapitulation of the WNist “consensus view” on the likely American trajectory that I have seen. You mentioned Grant and Stoddard, and it reminded me of an important and very obvious caveat I inadvertently left out of my comment. The number of people who believe a given proposition has no relation to its truth. The facts that millions of even highly intelligent and informed people believe something does not make it true. Grant, Stoddard and men like Rockwell and Pierce were so far ahead of everyone it’s mind boggling. The great White minds of the past have been completely vindicated even though theirs was an infinitesimally tiny minority view in their day.
Thanks Lew, much appreciated. The noted White intellectuals who recognized the basics of nature were very savvy realists, and through their words and deeds, they were visionaries of the most profound kind. Once you read and understand these great minds, the real world is much easier to understand, or envision, if you will.
By the way, I truly resent Eastwood shilling for Obama this way and promoting the multicultural happy talk. It’s not the first time he’s done it. The movie Gran Tarino is a deeply anti-White movie in my opinion (Clint abandons his mean White family to help the honorable Asian immigrants). And I resent how he lets himself be used to appeal to a certain segment of White males that think he represents good old fashioned White American values. He doesn’t. He’s a jerk.
After Obama wins another term, I wonder if it will start to dawn on White GOPers that they may never win a national election again?
Jason, Clint has to work in Jew-Hollywood
Clint’s family in “Gran Torino” abandoned him first. The movie has a point here about contemporary Whites. While the film was pretty critical of multiculturalism, mocked whiggerism, championed masculinity, family values and non-PC-joking, it really seems to flatter and soothe old school conservatives into the idea that their “values” and spirit will be inherited by “good” immigrants (not by their own kind, who is way too corrupted), despite of all the “bad” immigrants around.
“The Patriots Lost, it’s game over”… really funny stuff..good article, Matt…I liked the Newt analogy from a previous article too (can grow a new tale, eye, even a new heart)…my friend and I had a good laugh about these analogies…
As per one of Mr. Parrot’s paragraphs:
‘…We’re wallowing in degeneracy at home and slaughtering innocents abroad. Americans are no longer even Americans, having transitioned so dramatically from the founding stock as to be completely unrecognizable in appearance, principle, and effect‘.
The above paragraph got me thinking about my having taken a brief look at a web video of Madonna’s performance at half-time (i.e. the ‘Stupor Bowl‘). Her awful presentation (as always) told me everything about America’s latest cultural condition: it does seem to be ‘game over‘ for the Republic.
While the masses were absorbing her ‘dance of deracination’ and next stage globalism, I have to assume they were hooked to her hypnotic swaying and manipulative symbolism of which they cannot see through. One such example was the freakish combination of dancers in Roman military attire and those dressed as ghetto rappers.
Juxtaposing the images of antiquity with that of an urban American slum was quite disheartening. Such visual tactics are simply to confuse us whites culturally by equating on a sub-conscious level the value of ‘Rome and Rap’ as ‘one and equal’.
The horrors of post-modernity have more in store for us I’m afraid. How would I list America’s current condition? Well, it reflects Mr. Parrot’s above paragraph:
1. A near loss of moral principles
2. A crumbling imperium
3. The demographic displacement of European America
En fin: as to the Chrysler car commercial spot: an actor such as Clint Eastwood knows darn well that saving a country involves more than just re-making things. The basis of a ‘nation’ is her ethno-spiritual core, and not that of simply re-covering production. Materialism is simply a tool and not a theology it has been made out to be (that’s how we’ve been disarmed).
children becoming less knowledgeable and intellectually competent
Some months ago, I was wearing a watch driven by a spring, not by a battery, so I asked my nephew (who was in high school) “How many transistors do you think that this watch has?”
He replied, “What’s a transistor?”
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