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Tempest in a Teapot: State Election Madness in Germany
Clarissa Schnabel772 words
Perhaps you know the saying: Pessimists always claim to be realists. Well, in my experience, pessimism more often than not is realism.
Right now, YouTube is full of conservative/right-wing videos celebrating the “victory” of Alternative für Deutschland (AfD) in the state elections of Thuringia and Saxony, in which AfD won over 30% of the votes. Yes, those are unheard of numbers, and they should rightly make the headlines. But by now, German channels have already backtracked on the victory part, because, as expected, the establishment did not take too kindly to being dealt a blow and is now doing its level best to reverse the election results and find creative ways to deprive AfD of crucial seats.
But even before that, chances of AfD actually getting the opportunity to implement its politics were slim. I had predicted it months ago. As long as AfD does not gain the absolute majority, all the other parties will do their best to block it in every vote. That is where the so-called firewall comes in: no party will form a coalition with the AfD. Any bill proposed by the AfD is to be rejected. Rather, if it’s a good proposal, the other parties are to vote against it, and then propose the exact same bill themselves. My tax euros at work.
You cannot govern that way. We saw it in France recently: all those parties who claim to care so much about democracy got together to prevent the will of the voters from being implemented.
Also quite telling is the reaction of the aforementioned right-wing channels to Sahra Wagenknecht. Her party, the new Bündnis Sahra Wagenknecht (BSW), did really well in the elections, and despite all statements to the contrary, people apparently still believed it would form a coalition with the AfD. Well…no. Rather, Wagenknecht now appears ready to align herself with the “conversative” CDU. Surprise, surprise. To call her, as those YouTubers are doing, “the great liar”, or accuse her of “betraying her voters” might be correct if you were a leftist hoping for something more than the establishment socialism Die Linke, Wagenknecht’s former party, was offering. But that is not who those particular YouTubers are. They are disappointed AfD voters who still hoped Sahra Wagenknecht would swing right.
Then there was the foolish decision by supermarket chain Edeka to get political in the run-up to the state elections. In an ad, Edeka talked about how, in all the diversity of its vegetable section, there was no blue (AfD’s color), how blue was a warning sign by nature, and so on. The backlash on social media, even from some local Edeka shops, was immediate. People pointed out that Edeka had, once upon a time, been a fervent supporter of the National Socialists, and that in modern times it rated abysmally in Oxfam’s human rights report. Edeka is an opportunist. That’s all there is to it. But predictably, some people, including a lady from my volunteer group, called it “taking a stand against the right”. She was stunned into baffled silence when I outed myself as an AfD voter. She then confessed that she would vote for “something like the AfD”, but “not with those people”.
At the time of writing, the battle for Thuringia and Saxony is still ongoing. There is talk of the need for new elections in Saxony, as apparently the voter turnout was 103.5% after counting the mail-in ballots. Police are investigating. Interestingly, ballot papers have been found on which the original vote had been pasted over with a little sticker, and AfD had been marked instead. Was this the work of an overly zealous right-winger or a false-flag event? We’ll probably never know.
There are rumors of the government-implemented firewall falling in some places. There are rumors of Thuringia getting a “red-red-red” coalition (Social Democratic Party, Die Linke, BSW). There will probably be rumors of Sahra Wagenknecht having a change of heart tomorrow.
I wish the Thuringians and Saxons (and the rest of us) all the best, I really do. And I’m all for celebrating the small victories. But for the time being, I think pessimism is still the best realism.
People are waking up, that is true. It’s just not happening fast and consistently enough. Like in a discussion we were having in my volunteer group, they are unhappy with how the government is handling – or rather not handling – things, especially regarding mass immigration. “Something has to change!” Yet they still do not seem to understand that the mainstream parties, or Democratic™ parties, as they call themselves, have no reason to change anything. Why would they? People vote for them anyway.
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The AfD is a good party, but too bourgeois. We need to either create a far-right identitarian wing in this party or wait until the AfD disappoints its voters and build a more radical white nationalist alternative. The only solution to immigration is repatriation and expropriation of anti-white corporations.
Yep, that’s the problem.
For now, I think time is on our side. People are fed up, especially since the mainstream media have begun to report on immigrant crime – thanks to Solingen. Even “normies” (urgh, I hate that word) are now beginning to see the epidemic of knife-wielding foreigners, and they dare to voice their disapproval. How long that will last? I don’t know.
We’ll see how the Brandenburg state elections will go. I have the suspicion that, if the AfD does well, the establishment will ramp up its efforts to get them banned. Right now, the media appear to play the economy card. “Economists” have warned that the eastern states might lose 30% of their workforce because of the AfD, one headline ran; or, another one that I just read, “People are considering emigrating because of AfD strength”. (Okay, bye!) So that appears to be the way they are trying to go.
Indeed, there was some severe laughter to be had.
https://www.danisch.de/blog/2024/09/03/linke-endzeitstimmung/
Sehr schön. 🙂
What’s your take on White immigration within Europe? For example Romanians and Bulgarians moving to Spain, Ukranians to the Czech Republic…
Tens of thousands of the Chinese come to Spain, but you worry about Bulgarians and Roumanians.
Hi! I like Romanians and Bulgarians, and all European peoples. They’re more than welcome to Spain.
Benidorm is full of the Chinese.
I like and deeply respect Romanians, i.e. because they give a refuge and safe haven for my genocided people, where they are called Tătarii din România, or also Dobrogea Tatarlar.
You are correct, but only in the longer run.
I’ve long wondered how well a European party would do if it adopted 100% middle-of-the-road policies on everything (which, be it noted, is not MY politics; I’m Far Right on everything, not just racial preservation), but also demanded four non-moderate policies: 1) an end to all non-European immigration, legal and illegal (my preference would be “nonwhite immigration”, but that is mostly what this implicitly demands, whilst not alienating nervous types – the ones who know immigration is bad, but cannot bring themselves to reference race); 2) the immediate expulsion of any illegal aliens; 3) the immediate removal from any type of “welfare” or “social benefits” of any immigrant who has not been in the country for at least five years (again, too moderate of a policy for me, but a start); and 4) “starting a conversation” about re-migration.
IOWs, this would basically be a moderate, centrist party (so no people, except the unwanted foreigners, would get too worried about how its policies would affect themselves personally), designed to corral (or at least not scare off) the largest number of potential voters, while taking a reasonably hard line against immigration. How would such a party do?
I think such a party would do very well. It’s a good idea. You could possibly get some people on the left to go along with you, but more importantly, you can get votes from centrists, moderate conservatives and perhaps the most intrinsically but unconsciously pro-white demographic of all, apolitical whites.
Conservatives still relying on “Le based POC” to come their rescue in 2024. Ooof.
Also, AfD is co-led by Alice Weidel – a lesbian in an interracial relationship with a Sri Lankan immigrant woman who she has “married” and has adopted children with. Are these the values that should be championed by the “dissident right” or White Nationalists?
You know, even the far Left shows up here posing as more Rightist than thou, with comments such as these.
This may or may not be true.
But there is a point to be made that it’s European Genocide and not left or right genocide.
“But there is a point to be made that it’s European Genocide and not left or right genocide.”
It’s White genocide. We are all in this together: the Americans and the Europeans and the Aussies and the Canadians and the New Zealanders and all the rest. We Whites are one race with a common vital interest which is to stop White genocide.
Can you view previous comments from this username or email? If you can I think you’ll find that I’m not a leftist and I’m not playing “Rightist than thou”.
If you’re referring to the top line of my post, I wasn’t including the author of this piece or CC itself – I meant the Youtubers spoken about in the article who were disappointed that a half-Iranian woman didn’t come to their defence.
Use them if they’re useful.
Plus, nobody dares speak anything White if they aren’t of a Protected Minority, lest they end up Car Crashed Like That Austrian Dude. I mean, the blood tests proved he was on drugs, and then there was that bottle, and Another Man on the passenger’s seat..
80 years of allied propaganda, war guilt, an education system and media complex propagating racial and civilization oblivion may make getting an absolute majority impossible. At some point, once a sizeable contingent of people agree, there needs to be a realization these things are not negotiable. No one would agree to a majority vote mandating a Jonestown kool-aid party, so why this?
I will say when I was in Leipzig, my sense was most “Ossis” were really pisssed off about Erich Honeker and being a satellite state of the Soviet Union. They seem far less susceptible to Americanization than the former West Germans.
They are, in general and to a certain extent. Probably because to former West Germans, the Americans became saviors in 1948. They got benefits along with the poison, to put it dramatically. The former East Germans, after the initial euphoria of freedom at last had passed in 1990 onward, mainly got disappointment. They are also far more awake to state propaganda.
From what I gather most of the “Ostalgia” stems from East Berlin and the surrounding area as well as Mecklenburg Vorpommern. I don’t care at all for what much of what the Bundrespiblik stands for, but I cannot imagine wanting to go back to the DDR. The people I interacted with in Leipzig seemed to be of the same persuasion.
You should explain this more fully. The innocent West Germans poured countless trillions of dollars (however that converts to marks or euros) into the East after reunification. It was a huge geographical wealth transfer equivalent to America’s ongoing interracial wealth transfer from white to black (and now other nonwhites) since the 1960s. At the time this commenced I thought it stupid. What I said 35 years ago that the Germans should do was to a) generously subsidize pensions for the elderly of the GDR, whilst b) simultaneously transforming the rest of East Germany into an oasis of radical, laissez-faire capitalism. Given the innate cognitive and industrial superiority of Germans (even among Europeans generally), such a policy by now would have made the East wealthier than the heavily socialistically taxed and regulated West.
But for the East Germans to feel disappointed after all the West German money they got siphoned off sounds pretty ungrateful.
That wasn’t all charity. The West appropriated the entire Eastern economy and shut is all down to prevent competition with Western conglomerates. The money was not an investment in the economy, but some infrastructure and welfare payments to the now impoverished GDR citizens. It was better than the nickels sent to Russia. That was strictly a Friedman, Jewish profit-gouging scam, destroying a superpower in the process.
Frankly, the only dissenting party with balls since 1945 in Germany was the SED, the precursor to the cucked Die Linke Party.
While I disagree with your view on the SED, I concur with everything else. The money pumped into the former GDR was mainly for infrastructure. (And let’s be honest, it needed it.) Unfortunately, the whole policy after reunification served to divide East and West. The East got unemployment, and the West was resentful of its money going elsewhere, with its own infrastructure crumbling in the end. The whole thing was handled in the worst possible way.
I think it was good to threw out Honecker, Krenz, Mielke, Stoph und Ko., but maybe it was not needed to unite with the BRD, rather it may be better to build independent and non-Socialist DDR. Die DDR war damals mehr deutsch, als die BRD, if you understand what I mean.
“We need a Martyr to throw themselves on a car!”
“No! We need one of their leaders to Come Out!”
“Nah.. We’ll crush their stock market, couple of days to cause a Panic! Imagine The Headlines: “Terrified share-holders flee in Terror as Germany plunges into Chaos!”
Somehow the fella in my dramatization looks like Dustin Hoffman..
Me being a prick, I remember how the Status Quo reacted a decade ago in Greece. They will try Neutralize you Kindly – else, they will ram you down with an Iron Hand.
Keep the “That Austrian Dude That Got Car-Crashed” optional in their Arsenal..
What do you think about the “mistake” in Saxony by whose “correction” the AfD was deprived of a seat and the potential to have a blocking 1/3rd minority? I don’t know what really happened, but it sure is convenient.
It sure is.
The corrected seat distribution is entirely in accordance with section §6 of the relevant law, which you can read here (in German):
https://www.revosax.sachsen.de/vorschrift/20176#p6
The algorithm by which the seats are distributed, though relatively simple, requires a lot of calculation steps and would probably take hours to perform with pen & paper. But it took me less than 10 minutes to write a program which does the calculation in a few microseconds, and it arrives at the same numbers as the revised official result. If you want, I can post the source code here so that you can inspect and run it yourself.
Anyway, I don’t think the AfD will actually change things for the better if it ever gets into power, seeing how they’re the same brand of pro-Zionist populists as Trump, Meloni, FPÖ etc. under whose rule the migrant invasion continued practically unabated.
If anything, they might make good on Alexander Gauland’s ominous demand that Germans should be ready to die for Israel:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=h8Qvn25xBt0
https://youtube.com/watch?v=ujxFFmd084Q
Nevertheless, I completely understand those who may disagree with the AfD on crucial issues but still vote for them anyway due to them being the least horrible party on the ballot.
Do you know why and how they initially got the result wrong?
The numbers they came up with at first would’ve been consistent with them accidentally using a different method for distributing the seats (D’Hondt instead of Sainte-Laguë), but they’ve explicitly denied doing that.
The official statement was that they had incorrectly implemented the algorithm in such a way that their software started assigning seats incorrectly after assigning the 117th seat. I have no idea how they managed to do this, and there’s no way for me to find out for sure because they have not released the source code of the software they used.
It’s all theater anyway. AfD slavishly supports Israel just like the rest of them. The Trump effect just took some time to reach province Deutschland.
It is only “all theater” if your one issue is Israel.
Right wing parties support Israel publicly because right-wingers ( not here ) support Israel and because not supporting Israel is dangerous to one’s health. The Israelis know this and we should know that they know and they know that we know that they know. That’s why right-wing groups however pro-Israel are reviled in the media.
That is probably true, but Germany is not a free and independent democratic country. It wasn’t one when the allies ruled over post-war Germany for decades, set up Germany’s media and government that was subservient to the allies, while the population was forced fed allied lies for decades until most of the people that lived during the war and knew better died out, and their children and grandchildren succumbed to the allied lies under intense, unrelenting indoctrination in school and outside of it. They were “de-Nazified.” Now, the biggest lie has been spread to every country on earth, with everyone in the world having been exposed to Holohoax propaganda.
AFD members and anyone else can be hauled into court for slighting the wrong person or ethnic group, including showing disrespect for the Holohoax lie and/or showing the slightest bit of patriotism or pride, as Björn Höcke does.
They have to be careful what they say. I would not be surprised if some AFD members know some facts about WW II, which would land them in jail if they voiced them.
Alles für Deutschland!
Yes, America has been a force for pathological evil in Europe, and especially Germany, arguably from the beginning, but unarguably since the end of the Cold War, after which US troops should have been immediately removed. A true rightwing US President should make the permanent withdrawal of American forces from Europe a serious if minor part of his campaign. One can do so based on Trump’s correct rhetoric about “Euro freeloaders”, without getting into America’s malign role in forcing nonwhite immigration onto Europe.
The Force for pathological evil in the WORLD, not only in Europe was and is the UK, rather than the US. The UK has incited all world wars, beginning in the 18th century, against the revolutionary France, and until the actual war against Russian-Iranian-Chinese block, which is someway incorrectly named “the conflict in Ukraine”.
The only value this “political” information might provide is probably just financial.
I’m not really into it. AFD has promise, but Germany seem so under control and repressive as the rest of Europe I doubt they’ll get much done. If they even came close to getting ahead, the other party would unite to keep them out, or the government would simply ban them. It’s just not a very happy time for Europe. Germany simply isn’t the country I knew in the 1970’s when I was stationed there. They seem to have lost their guts, and the leadership has been so culled and molded by America that they do as they are told. If it means flooding third worlders in to eliminate the Germans, then so be it. The people seem incapable of any kind of resistance or even questioning the narrative.
I’m reminded in 1991, when I spoke to a German family from East Germany who were enjoying their new freedom to travel and visiting Boston. They were happy, very hopeful about the future. They expected hardship, but were glad reunification happened. Then, I spoke with a West German couple, young and attractive, more affluent and they were much more hesitant about reunification, following all the worries of militarism, the end of democracy, etc. They weren’t sure Germany should be reunited. When I said that maybe Germany can get Silesia, Pomerania, and East Prussia back, their faces immediately froze in horror, and they…ran…from me.
I thought it was funny, but it reminded me how indoctrinated people can be. They were really afraid of me.
I think if Europe (and Germany) ever get free, it will come from outside. Perhaps if America falls apart or the third world just says the hell with it and swarms in, killing anyone to grab their house, etc. Or maybe Russia will come to the rescue. They did in 1813.
Young, attractive German couple. Ten minute friendly chat in the park and then I suggested that it was a shame that Germans were disappearing from their native land. It seemed as though noone had ever suggested that to them before. It certainly didn’t cut through immediately and like a good church lady Fräulein took the lead in calling out the wrongthink, but who knows? If it happened another ten times….
That’s what many on the German “far-right” seem to hope for, actually. I’m more skeptical. Neither the USA nor Russia are Europe’s friend and savior, I’d argue. World powers don’t have friends, they have interests. (That doesn’t mean countries cannot profit from being part of those interests for a time.)
My hope rather rests in a European solution of sovereign nations. Germans alone can’t manage it, I agree. But there is this well-known psychological fact that if a large enough number of people stand up for an idea, others will follow. Why did the media tell us shortly before the EU elections that support for the AfD continued to drop – after earlier surveys had shown a consistent rise in support? Because all those headlines of the AfD gaining votes had encouraged those on the fence to join the trend. Suddenly it was socially acceptable to vote “far right”. So if enough patriots in European nations make it look perfectly okay to support your own country and your own people, that might cause a chain reaction.
“Neither the USA nor Russia are Europe’s friend and savior, I’d argue.”
I agree. The USA is under Zionist Occupation Government and supports White genocide policies.
The Russians have good memories and won’t forget Germany’s role in the Russo-Ukrainian War. For the sake of all White people it will be better if Germany doesn’t tempt Russia with the opportunity to get revenge. Germans should be wary and highly self-interested.
“My hope rather rests in a European solution of sovereign nations.”
I don’t agree. Germany is surrounded by bad friends. Germany’s neighbors, like Germany, have antiwhite governments that want to be more neocon than the neocons, that have no problem with the Nord Stream bombings and the forced de-industrialization of Germany, and that urged Germany to take a side in a war against Russia that will end in defeat. You do not want to rest any hope on friends like this.
Real friends would have told Germans to keep their heads down. Real friends would have said that Europe should not fight Russia but that if there was a war anyway the Germans should be exempted from any pressure to participate on any level because of the obvious sensitivity. Instead we saw everybody promise to pile in on Russia till the Germans agreed to send tanks, at which point other nations backed away. What kind of “friends” are these?
I am disgusted with Germany’s diplomatic “friends” and their imaginary moral superiority to Germans, which it seems justifies treating Germany in any shabby way.
I think the best policy for Germany is to be as pro-White as possible, to handle forced de-industrialization and the decline of Europe as well as possible, and apart from that to reduce commitments and just try to live quietly. The basis for a more ambitious national policy does not exist.
Or maybe Russia will come to the rescue. They did in 1813.
They did it on the British payroll and in British interests, and the alleged victory over the French brought to life The Holy Alliance, the most reactionary and anti-National power block in the 19th century’s Europe.
Sure, it would have been prudent to pull troops out of Germany and to rethink the purpose of NATO after the Soviet Union collapsed. But is this really the problem?
I think that we can all play the victim card, but at some point people have to take responsibility for their own problems and for their own countries. Germany’s problems are not imposed upon her by foreign armies. And it is certainly not American forces with NATO that are enforcing Holocaust Denial laws.
Furthermore, lets say that the United States fulfills the Accelerationist dream of collapse and becomes a Third World country. Does that really help Europeans? I doubt it.
🙂
Correct. Military force is not the problem here.
The hope for a collapse of the current system is a weak one. As I have said elsewhere: Then what? People seem to think that, magically, white nationalists will be able to carve out their own new society from the ruins of the old one. It’s a nice thought, but there is absolutely no guarantee of that happening.
Nothing will help Europeans (and Americans too) anymore, because the Western civilisation is already dead. You just do not want to see and to accept it.
Clarissa: [P]essimism more often than not is realism.
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“Liked” for truth.
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Kök Böri: September 8, 2024 Nothing will help Europeans (and Americans too) anymore, because the Western civilisation is already dead. You just do not want to see and to accept it.
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Your statement in bold is true. Kök, and is realistic, but without solution, totally defeatist. There is a solution, a simple one.
Forget dead Western civilization. Though built by many successive generations of racially loyal Whites, the “West” no longer represents preservation of those builders or of their posterity: us.
The White race is hurting but its fate is nowhere yet terminal. Forget mass democracy — it, too, is dead.
Determined, eligible Whites will separate from other races and from the present-day, Judaized, so-called “West,” so loved by Christian conservative losers.
The reality is that our struggle is biological and must conform to Nature’s highest laws: survival of one’s kind.
This was just as it happened with the (Western) Roman Empire, which was fully declined, degraded and practically dead, and the Barbarians (Germanic, Slavic and Türkic peoples) destroyed it, and so the new vital Europe was born.
Well said, Will.
The AfD’s milquetoast politics are the sort of thing that neighboring countries like Denmark, Belgium, Austria and the Netherlands have had since the late 90s or early 2000s. Germany is late to the party, but I’m surprised they were even allowed to entertain this level of soft-rightness. Germany of course is still under military occupation and I can’t imagine the AfD serves any purpose that’s not in the interests of its genocidal occupiers.
As for Europe under Metternich, the point to Metternich’s policies was to restore order in Europe. He saw the effects of the French Revolution and Napoleonic rule first-hand, and believed a restoration of monarchy was the best thing.He didn’t believe in democracy or even a people’s land. People of all groups were happier under a monarch. It was repressive, but secured a generation of peace. I’m not totally approving of it, but that was the fact. German nationalism, it was felt, had to be contained. And the Germans weren’t ready for a revolution until 1848. English gold did back up the allied forces, but also it was Russian might that determined much of post-Napoleonic Europe, much like Stalin’s army determined postwar boundaries in 1945.
The Czar wanted a Holy Alliance, and he got it.
As it was, Austria, while repressive, did keep Europe together and stable. A strong argument can be made that much of the wreckage of the 20th century was caused by the Austrian empire being sliced up. Much of eastern and Central Europe never recovered from it. And we can thank Woodrow Wilson for that, as well as the nationalistic leaders who saw only their own people and not the whole of Europe.Much like the present crisis in Europe can be traced to the lack of a general peace conference in 1945. There was no conference. The Americans didn’t want one. Churchill said it would be jaw-jaw and not war-war, but America saw it the other way; for us, it was money-money.
is Europe dead? The Europe of the old monarchies and the welfare state may be dying. Religion certainly is. That’s why white nationalists call for, not a restoration, but a new sense of a white ethnic fatherland. The AFD type of party politics is self-defeating in the face of the EU repression, which is only a mask for American rule.
Yes, America rules, by their bases all over Europe. I think a sense of white nationalism and the ACTIVE application of it to both the EU and the invading hordes of unEuropean people (essentially sponsored by the US) is what will revive Europe. It needs somewhere to cleanse itself from this bacillus of corporate capitalism.I’m probably asking for the impossible, but I don’t think these coalition building exercises do much good. The establishment is just too entrenched and can easily mobilize against any movement, unless it is quick, sudden, and strikes everywhere. The system is smart and cunning, but not brilliant.
I think the claim that Europe pursues bad policies because it is ruled by the US is naive. It is as naive as the idea that the UK was globalist because it was part of the EU. As Brexit showed, the UK has its own globalists. Western Europe is often more Leftist than the US, and European Leftists routinely bemoan American influence as reactionary and retarded. Thus if the US collapsed tomorrow, much of Europe would still pursue the same insane policies, indeed some of them more intensely.
Europe pursues bad policies because it is ruled by the US is naive.
Here I agree absolutely. I do not think that when Germans would abolish their “Maulkorbgesetze”, which violate the freedom of speech and scholarly research, i.e. about the H-st, the US would start their B52’s to bomb Germany or land the 82nd Airborne Division in Berlin. No, let’s remember that the French left the NATO military organization in 1966 when even under pressing, but without any military violence from the Americans.
America, really the Jewish elites and their lackeys, allow European countries freedom of action until the point at which such freedom conflicts unacceptably with their plans. The ever-growing propaganda deluge aims to stave off such necessity, not to mention the legion of prohibitions on even suggesting that Jews might collaborate to make plans for themselves, which aren’t in other peoples’ best interests.
Yes, America rules, by their bases all over Europe.
I was a military translator in the Soviet Forces in Germany (Westgruppe) in the 80’s, and I studied forces of our enemies (i.e. Bundeswehr, US, UK, FR, CAN and even BE and NL forces in West Germany). Believe me, 35-40 years ago the American military presence in Germany was much more strong than now, but West Germany and the whole Europe were much more healthy and normal, than now.
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