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Looking forward to it. As Jonathan Bowden said, there is always a socialist element to racialism, a notion I don’t see too many American White Nationalists tackling or acknowledging. Surely one is a White Nationalist for the sake of all white people regardless of class.
That may be true as a sociological fact, but it is neither necessarily true, nor an intelligent approach. I can’t speak for Bowden, nor am I very familiar with his work (beyond some essays I’ve read here). White nationalism is obviously a collectivist ideology, but not all collectivism is socialist. The Old American Republic wonderfully combined white ethnonationalism in its laws and policies, and maintained rudimentary national territorial and naval defenses, with well-secured individual rights (for its white members) and a close to laissez-faire capitalist, and thus almost unbelievably high-growth, economy (which laid the industrial foundation for America’s eventual rise to superpower status). “Social needs” were met by private and religious charity, which was vastly more effective (and cheaper) than today’s socialistic welfare state. There is absolutely no reason, either logical, psychological, anthropological, or even geostrategic, why an all-white American ethnostate cannot reestablish this type of regime and society.
There is a vast literature, both conservative and libertarian, on the evils of socialism, whether moral, social or economic. WNs – especially American ones – ought to familiarize themselves with it, as anti-socialism is part of our inherited ethnopsychology. Granted, if we can ever achieve an ethnostate, it will be a century or more before the degree of liberty our ancestors enjoyed will be able safely to be realized again (Revilo Oliver noted this sobering fact decades ago). The Ethnostate will have to be highly collectivist in its early years, all in the altruistic expectation that future generations might gradually recover their traditional American liberty. This collectivism will take the form of guiding all of society’s activities towards immediate ethnostatist defense (very much as Israel had to do in its earliest years). There will probably have to be some considerable welfarist provisioning early on, as the Ethnostate will contain many penniless and uprooted white refugees, as well as, perhaps, war-wounded. Taxes will be high to pay for enormous defense outlays. I would advocate for a substantial eugenics program (we must use all scientific means to improve our racial quality; we must also develop a scientific establishment for multi-generational genetic investigation and population improvement). There will also have to be extensive natalist subsidies as the Axis Powers had: women who markedly over-reproduce should be held up as models for younger females, as well as heroes of the Ethnostate in a way similar to the recognition afforded to (male) military valor.
We must become as economically self-sufficient as possible, including autarkic in agriculture, energy, and all militarily relevant industries (thus international trade, after some period of perhaps several decades during which we will likely be excluded from the global economy, and beyond any necessities we cannot produce ourselves, will be largely restricted to finished consumer goods). Taxes must also be high to fund a vast array of (unshared) scientific research programs, as basic science often leads serendipitously to practical discoveries, many with national betterment or military applications. Of course, individual liberty will be further circumscribed insofar as there will almost certainly have to be ongoing periods of national military training and service (perhaps on the old Swiss model: two years of training for all males after high school – which would have the advantage of accelerating the maturity level of later college freshmen, or apprentice blue collar workers – combined with two weeks per year of “refresher” training for all men until age 60 {or 65, depending on increasing longevity and healthfulness: I’m 61, but I can still hike fairly good distances, do pushups, if not as many, certainly fire light arms, probably operate more complex weapons systems with training, etc}).
All of the above is non- or anti-libertarian; it is collectivist, ethnonationalist. But is it socialist? Again, I suggest not. Socialism takes two forms: Soviet collectivist ownership of the major means of production, and allied central economic planning; and wealth “redistribution” (aka “theft”) for purposes of egalitarian financial and social levelling. There are many reasons to oppose socialism, but the primary ones from a white preservationist/ethnostatist perspective are that central planning has been deductively demonstrated, as well as repeatedly empirically proven, to be economically illogical; that is, central planners are incapable of matching dispersed localized knowledge of specific economic conditions at every level of the production process, which is why they invariably make massive capital allocation mistakes (see, eg, “China’s ghost cities” – and these are in a country that is today far more capitalistically rational than it was under Mao). The other problem is that socialism disincentivizes entrepreneurship and risk-taking, which are at the heart of economic development. Soviet socialism leads to economic stagnation and ruin; “social democracy” dramatically reduces the capital available for new business development, while turning government aid recipients into whiny dependents and special interest voter parasites. IOWs, socialism reduces national wealth and degrades national character, whereas the Ethnostate is going to need to have a tough and resilient population, as well as a booming economy (for all the wealth it will have to devote to its overall agenda of national survival).
What ethnonationalists really need to do is develop a specifically nationalist political economics. That doesn’t mean rejecting the vast and well-developed insights of the free marketists, but rather using those insights not as ends themselves (the point at which value-free economics shades into classical liberal ideology), but as means for the intelligent furtherance of ethnonationalist political goals.
[Note: I have not yet listened to this podcast; I do hope it eventually gets transcribed or written up as an essay.]
Many American White Nationalists tend to be stuck on the notion that socialism brings about poverty…as if capitalism only produces wealth for everyone (just ask any wage worker or anyone in a rust belt area how capitalism improved their lot in life). Benito Mussolini and Jack London were avowed socialists. Ezra Pound was anti-capitalist, especially regarding banking and high finance. The whole slogan of “free markets create free societies” was a notion promoted in the early 1980s by Milton Friedman. It’s pure jive talk. There are no ‘free markets.’ The reality is that monopoly markets create a small, parasitic capitalist class and larger public impoverishment. Unfortunately that saying by Friedman colors the outlook of many American conservatives, and that includes many American White Nationalists also.
Another aspect of socialism that repulses so many Americans is the type of socialism has been promoted by a censorship-loving, negrophilic, anti-White, totalitarian, and perverse breed of malevolent nihilists. When Americans think of socialism, it doesn’t bring to mind Joe Hill, Max Eastman, or Eugene Debs, but Herbert Marcuse, Saul Alinsky, Bill Ayers, Noel Ignatiev, Angela Davis, the Weatherman Underground, as well as the entire progressive wing of the Democrat party. The politics of anti-White and anti-Western malice. It’s ironic, because so much of anti-White and anti-Western rhetoric and political action has been carried out by our modern capitalist class.
Are you another one of these Brit socialists? I’ve noticed this over the decades. So many British are so clueless about economics. They equate mass immigration (ie, State-engineered totalitarian race replacement) with … capitalism, just because some capitalists profit from artificially imported increases in labor supply lowering worker wages. Postwar mass immigration has been a 100% left-liberal (and yes, politically socialist) project aimed at transforming white nations into Third World colonies, as well as empowering leftists across all aspects of governance. Stopping immigration is not anti-capitalist; supporting it is not capitalist; in both instances, the exact opposite is true. Immigration is overclass race war waged against its own co-nationals. This has nothing to do with the bookshelves of learned texts defending the superior rationality of free markets, as well as, yes absolutely, the tight relationship between socialism and tyranny, and capitalism and freedom (exactly as Milton Freidman correctly argued, long before the 80s, btw).
We don’t care about our children enough for them to have their own homeland. We need to change that.
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I think the wokism in the movies is a sort of moral blackmail. There is no talent in the film industry right now, so the creators express off putting, cloying woke race and gender replacement to decoy away from the realization that their product is bad. When people complain movies and shows suck, they can claim it’s a racist reaction to progressive ideas, not a rejection of poor story telling. All the smart people are working in tech or robbing America with the broken financial apparatus right now.
Do you ever notice that the race replacement is always only in white European contexts? Blacks and all others races have to be depicted in European contexts or even remote history —eg Gawain and the Green Knight(I almost liked Sword of the Valiant better, lol)—, but when Asian or African contexts are portrayed (eg that recent Shang chi Legend thing, or the wakanda films), they still portray Asian or African society as racially homogenous. It’s okay to express non diversity, so long as it’s not WHITE homogeneity. I think Greg hood pointed out somewhere that you can’t even portray homogenous whites as evil, like a band of Nazis; they can’t let us have that idea in any shape or form. This practice is very dominant in other cultural contexts too, like one could do an equivalent discussion about Magic the Gathering card game.
Possibly the best stream I have ever listened to.
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