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Spengler on Causation

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One of the most interesting and original aspects of Oswald Spengler’s philosophy is his separation of history from causality. For Spengler, history is an examination of the fulfillment of a particular group’s destiny that is not necessarily subject to the strictures of cause and effect:

…[A]s yet there exists no theory-enlightened art of historical treatment. What passes as such draws its methods almost exclusively from the domains of that science which alone has completely disciplined the methods of cognition, viz., physics, and thus we imagine ourselves to be carrying on historical research when we are really following out objective connections of cause and effect. It is a remarkable fact that the old-fashioned philosophy never imagined even the possibility of there being any other relation than this between the conscious human understanding and the world outside.1

While Spengler’s approach has the effect of challenging the very basis of historiography since the time of von Ranke, it also has the liberating effect of allowing us to see more clearly the limited ability of human agency to effect historical change. Now, before the Alt-Right purists join their civnat compatriots in robustly reciting William Ernest Henley’s poem “Invictus” and loudly proclaiming the transcendental superiority of the individual will, consider the following: In the 45 years of the Cold War, literally trillions of dollars were spent and trillions of man-hours were used to create weapons systems and espionage networks to contain and eventually defeat the Soviet Union and her allies. The best minds and the resources of the finest universities and think tanks were tasked with trying to understand what was happening behind the Iron Curtain. Every May Day and other Soviet holidays, the most brilliant analysts in North America and Europe would parse every photograph taken of Politburo members watching the military parades in Moscow to see how close the various members stood to the current Party Chairman so as to gain an inkling behind the politics of our adversaries. And we now know that throughout the course of the Cold War almost all of the communications in the Soviet Union were being intercepted and monitored by Western agencies. Yet, when the Soviet Union fell apart, it took the West completely by surprise. Not one—repeat, not one—Western expert saw the collapse coming. In fact, analyses by American intelligence agencies predicted a strong future for the Soviet Union for the foreseeable future.

The “official” reason given for the collapse of the Soviet Union is that President Reagan’s arms buildup led to a competitive arms race that bankrupted the Soviet Union. That is pure hogwash. North Korea has assembled a nuclear program with an economy just a small fraction of that of the former Soviet Union and with a far greater power differential than that which existed between NATO and the Warsaw Pact. The real reason for the collapse of the Soviet Union was a collective loss of will, a loss that has yet to affect North Korea.

But how does one go about explaining a nation’s loss of will? There are too many variables, too many moving parts, for a cause-and-effect explanation to be satisfactory. Spengler’s great insight is that nations, like individual human beings, are organic entities, and all organic entities have a life span. One can eat healthy foods, exercise regularly, avoid drugs, tobacco, and excessive alcohol consumption, and yet one will inevitably die. This is the destiny of all individuals, and according to Spengler, the destiny of all cultures and civilizations.

We on the dissident Right have the advantage that we are aware that the West has lost its will to survive, that Western Civilization is slowly committing suicide. This is indeed sad and such feelings give rise to the understandable but mistaken desire to “do something.” But first, we need to ask ourselves, “Is America worth saving?” Is a country that actively discriminates against the interests of white persons worthy of white support? Is a political system in which the only two viable political parties are actively working against the national interests worthy of being preserved? I think many of us would answer in the negative.

So then, what is to be done? Uncoordinated individual actions are pointless. Collective actions in the form of political organizing are necessary not with a mind towards a restoration of the “republic,” but of protecting white interests, stymieing our enemies, and preparing for the next stage of white cultural and political evolution. The American “Experiment” has been tried and found wanting, the Enlightenment was a fraud, and Leftism in all its varieties has been revealed to be not a polity but a mental disease completely divorced from reality. One thing is certain: When the end of America and Western liberalism comes about, it will be completely unexpected by all of the experts both as to its timing and method of collapse.

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1 Oswald Spengler, The Decline of the West, Vol. I, trans. by Charles Francis Atkinson, (New York, Knopf, 1932), p. 7.

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5 comments

  1. BroncoColorado says:
    June 7, 2019 at 5:12 am

    A very good article, particularly the last paragraph.
    Spengler in using analogies provided by the biological aspects of animal growth completely ignored the plant world and its subtle ways. For example the grape vine in Winter is a lifeless stick, for all appearances a dead twig, but the life force resides within the root of the vine and when Spring returns the vine bursts once again into life and produces abundant fruit. In a similar way civilizations as expressions of a particular people or ethnic group produce achievements in favorable times but must be quiescent appearing dormant when the tide of history is adverse. As long as the root, the rhizome, is intact all is well. The periodic outward appearances of a civilization, the ‘fruit and leaves’ are not so important, it is the root that must be safeguarded.
    Chinese and Indian civilizations instinctively know this and have survived by holding strong to their inner being and convictions. Western man must do likewise.

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  2. Ovidiu says:
    June 7, 2019 at 6:43 am

    Spengler offers not explanation at all. To say that “it is in the nature of things” (everything grows old and dies eventually) is not an explanation but a description. It is useful but not explanatory.

    We don’t know the causes of the rise-and-fall cycle of civilizations, though there is no shortage of theories, but we have well documented the ‘symptoms’ of the stages of the cycle and , based on that, we can indeed say the West is now slipping on the declining and disintegrating slope.

    But will it necessarily fall ? The Roman Republic went into a nose a dive during the 1 century BC and fell apart in civil wars. It dissolved into inter-ethnic wars (the Socii war) and a string of political wars (optimates versus populares) which decimated the population. There were more Romans who died in the Battle of the Colline Gate than a century before in the Battle of Cannae against Hannibal.
    But the Romans eventually recouped under a new politico-administrative organization and went on to have another hugely successful two centuries. That until the disintegrative forces appeared again -the so called Crisis of the Third Century- and from then on until the end it was only slow decline, chronic weakness, chronic crisis and economic and cultural dissolution.

    We can’t say what will happen precisely because we do not have and explanatory theory but only a Spenglerian description. Such a description is useful as a frame for analysis only after the cycle has been completed. Otherwise, while it is still on, any downturn may be just a temporary downturn, a transient crisis to be followed by a reorganization and a regaining of the momentum, or it may be indeed the last gasps.

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  3. Martin Kerr says:
    June 7, 2019 at 10:17 pm

    Every scintilla of evidence that we have been able to collect as a species tells us that the Universe operates on the basis of cause-and-effect relationships, that is, on the principles of Causality. It is not governed by supernatural forces, nor on the mental constructions and wishful thinking of intellectuals and ideologues, nor on the religious fantasies of theologians.

    There is undoubtedly genius in Spengler’s theories, and in the insights of his acolytes Francis Parker Yockey and Julius Evola. But to the degree that their thought-world is built on inorganic thinking that is divorced from biological reality, they are wrong.

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    1. J. Goodlow says:
      June 9, 2019 at 4:36 pm

      But cause and effect is also a mental construction. It is an explanation of something inherent in appearance but is not to be found in the appearance itself.

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      1. Martin Kerr says:
        June 10, 2019 at 12:48 am

        Sure.

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Writers of May

(2 votes) Morris van de Camp David M. Zsutty Derek Stark Jayant Bhandari Greg Johnson

Articles of May

The Lunch Wars by David M. Zsutty Heidegger on Nietzsche, Part One by Collin Cleary 2 votes
    • Editor’s Update
      Rob Rundo Rescheduled to Next Week on Counter-Currents Radio;
      Tonight Greg Johnson & David Zsutty Answer Your Questions;
      Fundraiser Update & a New $20,000 Matching Grant

      Greg Johnson

    • The Counter-Currents 2026 Fundraiser
      Lifetime Subscriber Welcome Packages Extended

      Greg Johnson

    • Nationalism This Week
      Who’s Looking Back?

      Greg Johnson

      20

    • China’s Threat to American Security:
      Food, Farmland, Foreign Control, & Energy Policy

      Lipton Matthews

      1

    • The Bitter End of Western Metaphysics:
      Heidegger on Nietzsche, Part Two

      Collin Cleary

      11

    • The Killing of Henry Nowak

      Mark Gullick

      28

    • The Crisis of Chinese Technology Thieves

      Morris van de Camp

      1

    • The Strange World of Gender Bender Fiction:
      & What This Genre Tells Us About Autosexuality

      Dani Vypont

      3

    • Watching the Watchers:
      The Dark Triad Question

      David M. Zsutty

      14

    • The Remigration Movement Solidifies

      F. Roger Devlin

      1

    • Casting Aspersions:
      The Fatal Consequences of Race-Swapped Casting, From Helen of Troy to Henry of Southampton

      Steven Tucker

      20

    • The Murder of Henry Nowak

      Millennial Woes

      23

    • Don’t Forget to Vote in Our Writer & Article of the Month Poll

      Greg Johnson

    • The Robot Hotdog Stand

      Greg Johnson

      35

    • Laughing Our Way to Victory

      Dave Chambers

      7

    • The Zodiac Killer

      Mark Gullick

      11

    • Jared Taylor: What Rome Means to Me

      Jared Taylor

      1

    • An Interview with Endeavour:
      My Way of Life Is an Adventure!

      Ondrej Mann

      6

    • José Pedro Zúquete’s The Identitarians

      Greg Johnson

      3

    • Editor’s Update
      Fundraiser Update & How to Watch the Remigration Summit

      Greg Johnson

      5

    • The Bitter End of Western Metaphysics:
      Heidegger on Nietzsche, Part One

      Collin Cleary

      11

    • Berlin: City of Stones

      Spencer J. Quinn

      6

    • True Folk-Horror Is Horror of Your Own Folk:
      Mark Gatiss vs the Brexit Blind Dead  

      Steven Tucker

      4

    • Counter-Currents Radio Podcast No. 689
      Thomas Massie, the America 2050 Bust, the Need for Whites to Divest from America, the AI Economic Apocalypse, & Pro-White Project Pitches to Billionaires

      Counter-Currents Radio

      7

    • Nationalism This Week
      Remigration is Inevitable, Part 3

      Greg Johnson

      27

    • Why Billionaires Should Fund White Identity Politics

      Lipton Matthews

      8

    • How Cold War Two Came About

      Morris van de Camp

      5

    • Now Available for Pre-Order at a Special Price!
      Greg Johnson’s The Philosopher Is In

      Greg Johnson

    • David Zsutty’s Elevator Pitch to a Billionaire

      David M. Zsutty

      1

    • Headbanging Lite

      Mark Gullick

      5

    • White Advocacy Past and Present

      Peter Bradley

      13

    • The Lunch Wars

      David M. Zsutty

      47

    • The Russians are Coming/The Russians are Coming

      Steven Clark

      1

    • Peak Fatigue in Fort Wayne

      Gabriel Anderson

      24

    • Keith Woods’ Elevator Pitch to a Billionaire

      Keith Woods

    • The Cruelty of Kindness

      Morris van de Camp

      9

    • Predation Wearing the Mask of Civilization

      Jayant Bhandari

      13

    • The Mandalorian & Grogu

      Trevor Lynch

      24

    • Editor’s Update
      Fundraiser Update & a New $20,000 Matching Grant
      Greg Johnson & David Zsutty Discuss Thomas Massie on Counter-Currents Radio

      Greg Johnson

      2

    • How the Jews Defeated Thomas Massie—& Themselves

      David M. Zsutty

      25

    • Jared Taylor’s Elevator Pitch to a Billionaire

      Jared Taylor

      15

    • Nationalism This Week
      Remigration Is Inevitable, Part 2

      Greg Johnson

      8

    • Could Fascism Work?

      Mark Gullick

      40

    • Jonathan Bowden’s Deliverance
      Part 7

      Jonathan Bowden

    • China’s Quiet Hand:
      Influence, Infiltration, & the Western Blind Spot

      Lipton Matthews

      9

    • Counter-Currents Radio Podcast No. 688
      Tyler Dykes on Running for US Congress in South Carolina

      Counter-Currents Radio

      3

    • Lothrop Stoddard’s The Revolt Against Civilization

      Spencer J. Quinn

      14

    • Lewis Strauss Did Nothing Wrong:
      How the politics of the Atom Bomb during the early Cold War Apply to Artificial Intelligence Today

      Morris van de Camp

      14

    • The Ghost of the Confederacy

      Dave Chambers

      12

    • America’s Century of Humiliation has Begun

      Greg Johnson

      27

    • AdamMil

      Who’s Looking Back?

      Don’t be too sure. There have already been multiple experiments showing that modern AIs may turn on...

    • AdamMil

      Who’s Looking Back?

      Don’t be too sure. There have already been multiple experiments showing that modern AIs may turn on...

    • Collin Cleary

      Heidegger on Nietzsche, Part Two

      Oh no, not so. For the Overman, truth is entirely relative and subjective. Remember: he gets to...

    • Connor McDowell

      Who’s Looking Back?

      HAL9000 in 2001 was never truly “sentient”. “His” programming had a conflict that couldn’t be...

    • Will Williams

      Nationalism This Week: Victory First

      There are several C-C essays that mention Gaza, but this appears to be the only one where comments...

    • Observer

      Heidegger on Nietzsche, Part Two

      In Platonism, we find the insistence that being, true being, is identical with “the forms.” The...

    • JBP

      Heidegger on Nietzsche, Part Two

      Thanks. Unfortunately I must fall into the 95% that Jane refers to. My brain is not putting the...

    • Will Williams

      Who’s Looking Back?

      Vauquelin: June 7, 2026 ...You must judge AI/LLM based on those who control it. With the likes of...

    • Hi-ya!

      Heidegger on Nietzsche, Part Two

      Love to engage in this with more attention ; I’ve never seen “clearing” in presocratics and my hot...

    • Vauquelin

      Who’s Looking Back?

      You must judge AI/LLM based on those who control it. With the likes of Sam Altman and Alex Karp...

    • Chud

      Who’s Looking Back?

      There's another dangerous option where homebrew AI models scale up and the consumers get their...

    • Gabe

      Who’s Looking Back?

      Boom. Nailed it.

    • Joe Gould

      The Killing of Henry Nowak

      This is a good article. The only thing I want to add is, above all we must guard ourselves against...

    • Greg Johnson

      Who’s Looking Back?

      Thank you I also wonder if these AI bots are being used to gather intelligence on influential...

    • E_Perez

      Heidegger on Nietzsche, Part Two

      "Philosophy helps Western man understand how we got to where we are, and where things went wrong...

    • Chud

      Who’s Looking Back?

      I'll try to give a rundown. AI is a language learning model (LLM) that uses floating point...

    • Will Williams

      How the Jews Defeated Thomas Massie—And Themselves

      Massie to Honor USS Liberty Crew on House Floor [email protected]  June 6, 2026  thomas...

    • JBP

      Editor’s Update

      Sorry but... Wrong, wrong wrong and wrong. The current momentum of history will not change with a...

    • Will Williams

      The SPLC Indictment

      The indictment of the Southern Poverty Law Center by the Department of Justice on 21 April is...

    • Zarathustra

      Heidegger on Nietzsche, Part Two

      I rather liked this song by Puscifer.

    • Earth Day Special

      John Morgan

      12

    • A Robertson Roundup
      Remembering Wilmot Robertson
      (April 16, 1915 – July 8, 2005)

      Margot Metroland

      13

    • The Paranoid Style in White Nationalism

      Greg Johnson

      30

    • Join the Dance!

      Andrew Hamilton

      1

    • We Can’t Save the Earth Without Reducing African Birth Rates

      James Dunphy

      36

    • “I’m Not a Conspiracy Theorist, but . . .”:
      Jeffrey Epstein’s Death Gives New Life to “Conspiracy Theories”

      Greg Johnson

      22

    • Sylvia Plath: Stasis in Darkness

      Vic Olvir

      17

    • Vanguardism, Vantardism, & Mainstreaming

      Greg Johnson

      80

    • Aviation, Geography, & Race

      Charles Lindbergh

      3

    • Some Thoughts on Yule

      Collin Cleary

      4

    • Living in Truth:
      A Yuletide Homily

      Jef Costello

      7

    • John Kennedy Toole’s A Confederacy of Dunces

      Greg Johnson

      20

    • On Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn’s Warning to the West

      Spencer J. Quinn

      7

    • Elitism, British Modernism, & Wyndham Lewis

      Jonathan Bowden

      6

    • Philip K. Dick’s Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? as Anti-Semitic/Christian-Gnostic Allegory

      Greg Johnson

      20

    • “Conspiracy Theory” or Conspiracy?

      Andrew Hamilton

      21

    • Remembering H. P. Lovecraft
      (August 20, 1890–March 15, 1937)

      Greg Johnson

      3

    • Who Are We?
      Nordics, Aryans, & Whites

      Greg Johnson

      71

    • Remembering William Gayley Simpson
      (July 23, 1892–December 31, 1990)
      A Pleasant Afternoon with Harriet & Bill Simpson

      Margot Metroland

      18

    • Here are the Young Men
      Remembering Ian Curtis
      (July 15, 1956–May 18, 1980)

      Mark Gullick

      18

    • Percy Grainger
      Artist of the Right

      Alex Graham

      7

    • Remembering Revilo Oliver
      (July 7, 1908–August 20, 1994)

      Greg Johnson

      18

    • The Meaning of July 4th for the White Man

      Gregory Hood

      13

    • The Front National’s Evolution

      Bruno Mégret

    • Merwin K. Hart
      Forgotten American Hero & Man of the Right

      Morris van de Camp

      10

    • George Orwell’s Nineteen Eighty-Four

      Jonathan Bowden

      8

    • Carleton S. Coon
      Scientist & Reluctant White Advocate

      Morris van de Camp

      3

    • The Kwanzaa Absurdity Will Be Dwarfed by Juneteenth

      Robert Hampton

      10

    • Stravinsky

      Alex Graham

      7

    • Like the Roman:
      Remembering Enoch Powell (1912-1998)

      Mark Gullick

      23

    • The Game of Tarot

      Mark Gullick

      1

    • Institutions Cannot Be Transplanted

      Jayant Bhandari

      5

    • Jonathan Bowden’s Deliverance
      Part 5

      Jonathan Bowden

    • Crosstown Traffic:
      Jimi Hendrix & The Post-War Rock ‘N’ Roll Revolution

      Mark Gullick

      1

    • Slaves from the North:
      Finns & Karelians in the East European Slave Trade, 900–1600

      Lipton Matthews

      14

    • Neo-Fascism in Film
      Part 4

      Karel Veliky

      2

    • David Lean’s A Passage to India

      Spencer J. Quinn

      1

    • Elites are Essential to Development

      Lipton Matthews

      7

    • Jonathan Bowden’s Deliverance
      Part 4

      Jonathan Bowden

    • Neo-Fascism in Film
      Part 3

      Karel Veliky

      6

    • E. M. Forster’s A Passage to India & the Indian Mentality

      Spencer J. Quinn

      25

    • Jonathan Bowden’s Deliverance
      Part 3

      Jonathan Bowden

    • The Rest Is Silence
      Heidegger’s Quietism

      Mark Gullick

      2

    • Dispelling the Historical Fallacy of Indian Nationalism

      Lipton Matthews

      8

    • Neo-Fascism in Film
      Part 2

      Karel Veliky

      8

    • Jonathan Bowden’s Deliverance
      Part 2

      Jonathan Bowden

    • Life of a Klansman

      Mark Gullick

      8

    • Jonathan Bowden’s Deliverance, Part 1

      Jonathan Bowden

    • Decolonial Ideas are Holding Back Developing Countries

      Lipton Matthews

      8

    • Neo-fascism in Film, Part 1

      Karel Veliky

      21

    • Jonathan Bowden’s Onslaught, Part 8
      Divigations on Decadence

      Jonathan Bowden

    • Jonathan Bowden’s Onslaught, Part 7
      Intrigues in the National Front

      Jonathan Bowden

      1

    • Rotten to the Core

      Mark Gullick

      8

    • Strauss on Husserl’s “Philosophy as Rigorous Science”

      Greg Johnson

    • Jonathan Bowden’s Onslaught, Part 6
      Francis Bacon & Right-Wing Nihilism

      Jonathan Bowden

    • London After (& Before) Midnight:
      Aleister Crowley, The Landlord’s Worst Nightmare

      James J. O'Meara

      2

    • Jonathan Bowden’s Onslaught, Part 5
      The Post-War British Far Right

      Jonathan Bowden

    • No Rules: Rollerball

      Mark Gullick

      4

    • Jonathan Bowden’s Onslaught, Part 3
      Brett Easton Ellis’ American Psycho

      Jonathan Bowden

    • An Alternate History of the Harris Presidency

      Beau Albrecht

      5

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Writer & Article of the Month May 2026

Voting for this month has concluded. Here are the final results!

Top Writers

  • #1 Morris van de Camp 2 votes
  • #2 David M. Zsutty 2 votes
  • #3 Derek Stark 2 votes
  • #4 Jayant Bhandari 2 votes
  • #5 Greg Johnson 2 votes
  • #6 Jared Taylor 1 vote
  • #7 Collin Cleary 1 vote
  • #8 Spencer J. Quinn 1 vote
  • #9 Mark Gullick 1 vote
  • #10 Lipton Matthews 1 vote
  • #11 Keith Woods 1 vote
  • #12 Steven Tucker 1 vote

Top Articles

  • #1 The Lunch Wars 2 votes
  • #2 Heidegger on Nietzsche, Part One 2 votes
  • #3 Could Fascism Work? 1 vote
  • #4 Jared Taylor's Elevator Pitch to a Billionaire 1 vote
  • #5 Predation Wearing the Mask of Civilization 1 vote
  • #6 Peak Fatigue in Fort Wayne 1 vote
  • #7 Keith Wood's Elevator Pitch to a Billionaire 1 vote
  • #8 Do You Want to Play a Game? 1 vote
  • #9 Why Billionaires Should Fund White Identity Politics 1 vote
  • #10 The 1970s: The Golden Age of Hijacking 1 vote
  • #11 True Folk-Horror Is Horror of Your Own Folk 1 vote
  • #12 Finding Atlantis Part 4 1 vote
  • #13 Berlin: City of Stones 1 vote
  • #14 The Ghost of the Confederacy 1 vote
  • #15 Lothrop Stoddard’s The Revolt Against Civilization 1 vote

Total votes cast: 17