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One of the most pronounced current trends in American politics is the widening political gap between men and women (and concomitant depolarization of political affiliation across racial lines). Gen-Z men voted for Trump in large numbers, while Gen-Z women are overwhelmingly liberal. There is a climate of mutual hostility between the sexes. Heterosexual dating is fraught with challenges that previous generations did not face.
One obstacle young men face is that modern youth culture is extremely homosocial. Boys and girls no longer congregate at the mall or at high school dances. They spend most of their time in sex-segregated online spaces. COVID exacerbated this trend. As a result, many young people’s ability to understand and interact with the opposite sex is poor.
Contemporary male inceldom is ultimately a structural problem, and blaming it on male character failings, as the mainstream media are wont to do, misses the mark. Still, self-help advice can be effective at the individual level. I offer this article (in spite of my aversion to this genre of writing) as someone who has spent a lot of time observing women and wants to help facilitate family formation and greater understanding between the sexes. Since feminine psychology resembles mass psychology, the following points apply to winning over ordinary people as well.
Do not drop the bomb immediately.
Despite their liberal views, most women’s desires are “trad”: they want a man who can protect them and their future children and provide stability. Taboo beliefs repel most healthy women because non-conformism imperils one’s standing in a group, and for our prehistoric ancestors, exclusion meant certain death. You can circumvent women’s aversion to taboos by winning their trust and demonstrating that you are a capable man of good character. Some particularly fanatical women may want nothing to do with you regardless, but many will stick around once they have warmed up to you. It goes without saying that this applies to persuading people in general. You will be more effective if you are a respected member of your community.
Be calm and collected. Avoid seeming schizophrenic or angry.
Women care more about how you say something than what you say (“I don’t like your tone”). Unleashing breathless rants on an unsuspecting woman will remind her of mentally disturbed homeless men, which will make her wary of you. A schizo affect suggests a lack of dependability. Bitterness and anger likewise suggest powerlessness and emotional instability. Men who are popular with women have an air of ease and nonchalance about them. For those who are naturally high-strung, cognitive behavioral therapy is a useful method for reducing negative emotions.
Don’t be this guy.
Do not bring up statistics.
Save your graphs and charts for debates with other spergs. It will make you come across as cold and heartless to women. Imagine your sister announced her intention to marry a non-white man, and your first response was to cite racial differences in IQ. Your female relatives would protest, “But they love each other! Aren’t they a cute couple?” You would be thought of as a boorish home-wrecker.
America is an interracial marriage writ large. The argument that we need a “divorce” on the grounds that diversity leads to decreased harmony and social trust will resonate more with normal people, especially women.
Do not cite birth rates as a reason to have children.
On a similar note, the juxtaposition of arithmetic calculations with something as primal as childbirth is unsettling to normal women. In an article on Spengler’s views on race, Greg Johnson draws a distinction between racial consciousness vs. the feeling of race, i.e., the drive to reproduce. The former is backwards-looking, self-conscious, and the product of a decaying society; the latter is visceral and vital. I would venture that women can subconsciously sense this difference and have an instinctive aversion to anything that reeks of sterility and ill health.
Most women will not be moved to reproduce by looking at statistics. The best pro-natalist propaganda is pictures of babies and happy families.
Focus on exuding dominance as opposed to demanding submission right away.
I recently came across an article by a journalist who described her experience dating conservative/right-wing men. One man announced his adherence to “biblical patriarchy” on the first date. This was a mistake—reciting talking points about the moral rightness of patriarchy will make you look autistic and grandiose, especially if you are still a young man who has yet to make a name for himself. Similarly, overtly demanding submission more often than not makes one look like a toddler demanding attention from his mother. It is a ham-fisted and literal-minded approach. Display strength and competence and silently take charge, and she will follow.
Avoid heated debates and find common ground.
This is an instance where the principle of positive thinking works. To paraphrase Henry Ford, if you think you and a woman are on the same side, you are right. If you think you are enemies, you are also right. Zeroing in on your disagreements and being overly combative will alienate women. Do not view them as ideological sparring partners; save that attitude for other men.
If both of you care about things like environmentalism, anti-Zionism, or supporting local farmers/businesses, emphasize that.
Become indifferent to female shenanigans.
Be at peace with the fact that women will never be the same as you. Foaming at the mouth over them is like getting mad at a dog for chasing a bone. “They know not what they do.” The bell curve meme applies here: both the dullard who is oblivious to female behavior and the wise man who is at peace with it have a carefree attitude toward women. Cultivating an attitude of acceptance will help you achieve the nonchalant aura referred to earlier.
She does not need to know everything.
Your girl does not need to know all about the Third Reich or Italian Fascism or Spanish Falangism. At the end of the day, all that matters is the task of raising a family. Plenty of couples are politically unaware yet still raise healthy white children.
This applies to your children as well. Heavy-handed ideological indoctrination is not necessary since they are already predisposed to prefer their own kind. The overwhelming majority of white people marry within their race despite being bombarded with depictions of interracial couples in popular culture. Not much is necessary beyond giving your children a wholesome, Eurocentric upbringing and being someone whose authority they respect. (Being too heavy-handed could backfire, as in the cases of Derek Black, Kelvin Pierce, and Arthur Kemp’s son.)
Matters tied to women and reproduction resist an overly cerebral or literal approach because they operate according to the laws of nature as opposed to formal logic. This presents an obstacle for spergs, but not an insurmountable one, since they, too, are linked to the rhythms of nature simply by virtue of being human. As the saying goes, “I am human; nothing that is human is alien to me.” I interpret this not as an endorsement of open-borders nonsense, but rather an acknowledgement of the earthly nature all humans share in some degree or another. Even spergs.
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It’s very correct.
Thank you.
Some sage advice here. Couldn’t agree more.
Looks like the author is way past 40yo, and havent contact with women under 35.
Women under 35 are not “trad” in any way, shape or form. Their brains are totally rotten by the PC indoctrination, and are beyond salvation.
This is not limited to USA or Europe, but to the entire West. Been there, done that. A girl in Buenos Aires think exactly to a girl in Bogota/Miami/Berlin. Thanks to social networks and streaming platforms all women in the West are exactly the same.
This is the greatest triumph of the enemy. By attacking and infecting the weakest spot in our race (women) they are a) decimating our numbers (no procreation of white babies), b) destroying the traditional family, c) destroying the trust between sexes, thus d) destroying our society and culture.
I tend to agree with you. It all comes down to what is “in” and especially how much is in your wallet. But a good article otherwise.
My experience as a Gen-Z White guy is very different. Younger White women do tend to be left-wing, but this is much less the case in more rural, homogenous areas. Plus, most young Whites, male or female, are not hyper-focused on politics like those of us who read Counter-Currents.
Many leftist White girls will mouth the talking points of the anti-white status quo in order to “fit in” but this is often performative. They usually aren’t “true believers” and may not have any real knowledge of the issues at all. Finding a decent job, having good relationships with friends, and attracting a mate is likely to be far more important to them than BLM or trans rights. Additionally, liberal women who get married and have babies tend to move to the Right.
And yes, despite the very real propaganda campaign waged by our enemies, most young Whites do want to have kids at some point and, (though most wouldn’t admit this) typically prefer to do so with a White partner.
We White Nationalists have nature on our side; our opponents do not. Plus, most White women I know, regardless of their politics, are genuinely good people who are enjoyable to be around. Like the drive to have babies, the drive to conform to societal norms is extremely powerful. If racialism was the norm, like it was a century ago, the very same leftist White girls who we criticize today would be some of our most vocal supporters and allies.
Well said
I know the groupthink is pretty bad now, but one way to handle it is to treat it like a Shit Test. I accidentally discovered that long ago with a flaming radicalinski. Just treat her stupid politics as something absurd, though not to the point of sharply rebuking her. If you’re at a loss for words, just keep laughing.
“You got a gender studies Ph.D.? Have you sued your career counselor yet?”
“I hate to break it to you, babe, but the 1960s are over.”
“Well, gosh, I’m sure those refugees care about you as much as you care about them.”
“Aw, a feminist, well isn’t that cute?”
You don’t have to be the one to bring up politics; she will before too long. It might backfire, but even if it does, you’re better off not being with an NPC who can’t take a joke and will freak out when she eventually finds out your views.
All that is good and all, but you are not taking into account the biggest problem in dating some purple haired feminist: the risk of a false rape accusation.
A cost/benefit analysis shows that it not worth the risk.
It’s indeed a hazard, now that the idea has gotten out there that consent can be withdrawn retroactively. There are various ways to mitigate it, though. Most importantly is knowing who you’re getting to bed with; watch for mental problems, substance abuse, or other red flag behavior beforehand. Unlike some guys, I don’t mind waiting a few dates before “closing the deal” since it helps me avoid trouble. More information here, and please note that I didn’t choose the title:
The Masculine Man’s Survival Guide To Banging Slutty Feminists | Return of Kings (theredarchive.com)
Other than that, everything in life is a risk. You just have to choose between rational ones and irrational ones. I still drive, despite more near-death experiences on the freeway that I can count. I do try to avoid heavy traffic, and steer clear of obvious drunks.
I really miss RoK.
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Yeah. Giving up on women is basically saying you would rather not reproduce at all than be canceled, which strikes me as silly and unserious. The odds of being the target of a false rape accusation are relatively low and like you said you’ll be fine if you avoid girls with cluster-B traits.
In my repeated experience, a woman’s politics will change to conform to yours if she has feelings for you. They’re not particularly political creatures by nature.
“Women under 35 are not “trad” in any way, shape or form. Their brains are totally rotten by the PC indoctrination, and are beyond salvation.”
Could not have said it better. The recent White woman in Paris who posted her crying because she cannot go outside without being harassed by nons is priceless, as females tend to favor diversity. After just one day in Helsinki, I can’t wait for my flight out of here in 6 hours. Been ripped off twice by the nons. People here, especially women, go about as if everything is normal. But, they’re not. They dress quite revealing which may be fine in a Finnish society, however, it is becoming increasingly non Finnish. Then, these same women will be crying. That is if they’ve not been raped & murdered.
They have been indoctrinated, yes, but you can’t undo millennia of evolution overnight.
I agree that very few women are traditional, but buried under the indoctrination they still have their biological instincts which a clever man can tap into.
Great advice.
A White couple who has White children, surround themselves with White friends, and live in a White neighborhood are essentially White Nationalists in practice, no matter what political positions they espouse.
We need to have patience with our people. Racialism was the norm 100 years ago, but there have been certain (((propagandists))) that have spread destructive messages and confused our race. This can, and will, be reversed, and we are already witnessing the beginnings of that process.
I cant find a solution and i have been skirting this issue dating outside my race for decades.
since all social norms have been taken down by modernity and the jew, we are in a caveman dating environment, only without social kin groups. Women would rather be single old maids than marry their sexual or social equal. Divorce is incentivized.
my only advice to the young men would be, it’s ok to date down. Don’t be ashamed. if the gap between you and a woman is so large, she won’t think of leaving you and taking the kids. we don’t live in normal times. Women are totally out of control.
Ultimately, it’s about procreation and surviving for another day.
…my only advice to the young men would be, it’s ok to date down.
What did you mean by that? Are you advising the white men on this site to date non-white women? 🙃
I’m pretty sure he meant that it’s better to take a girl who’s less attractive, less educated, less intelligent, tattooed, or whatever, than to hold out for the rare attractive white woman who is based. “Ultimately, it’s about procreation and surviving for another day.”
That it’s acceptable for a Tom Brady or Ryan Gosling to ‘mate down’ with a fertile Geena Davis or Nia Vardalos, not Gorlock the destroyer or a genetic fubsy that’s 5’3 wide.
I cant find a solution and i have been skirting this issue dating outside my race for decades.
Did you say you have been dating non-white women for decades? 🙃
Don’t write off “the Liberals” – one of my favorite Amren articles ever:
https://www.amren.com/news/2016/09/dont-write-off-the-liberals/
Remember that certain “Liberal” in Austria/Germany?
He was :
An artist
A vegitarian
An Animal lover
Only a corporal in the military
He strongly opposed high finesse, international finance.
He received respect and surpassingly high levels of support from the unemployed, the elderly on government pensions, and even competed well with yes Communists.
He led a Socialist Workers Party
Ane he led the most popular political party in Germany – receiving at least 10X the level of support of any economic “Conservative” party, parties of big business – the big business in his country respected him and eventually gave him their support.
Anybody know this “liberal”, “Vegetarian”, “Socialist”, “Artist”?
Don’t write off the Liberals.
This is very good and solid advice, boys. This can save lives. A) Get your own act together B) Don´t take her political opinions too seriously.
I agree: “Do not cite birth rates as a reason to have children.”
I suggest: Nonchalantly dropping example after example of women who waited longer than they should have, to start to having children. It’s a great motivator for starting a family asap.
I had a highly emotional supervisor, my senior by 10+ years, who was stressed out, & dropping thousands of dollars, trying to have a baby with her husband.
It literally scared me right into getting pregnant asap, so I wouldn’t become like her! (I was already married, but was completely oblivious to the ticking time clock.) I think that going out on date to a restaurant located next door to a fertility clinic would be ideal. No conversation is really even necessary– Omg! We need to go make some babies right now!!
I’ve been married for 44 years and have a 40 and a 42 year old. I would say about finding the best spouse/ c0parent is to become the best. Anyone reading these articles is already highly qualified to learn. I believe we are like salt and pepper or attract our equals in some fashion. Also, to deal with any feelings of social awkwardness is to go out and be with people with an eye toward letting them help knock the chips off of your shoulder.
I’ve had a fair amount of experience with women, and one of the things I find most frustrating and (I’ve noticed this in some men too) is how morality can be used as a tool to manipulate or control. In my view, women use moral arguments (really subtle influence in the way they talk and express themselves) not out of principle, but as a way to gain leverage, especially over men who are either genuinely conscientious or who appear moral but are actually just conflict-averse or insecure underneath. And I think they believe they are doing the right thing by doing this or they are simply unaware that they do this naturally.
Ironically, this dynamic often punishes men with a strong sense of ethics or self-awareness, while rewarding those who are more ruthless and or less concerned with moral appearances. The men who simply don’t care (who aren’t easily guilt-tripped or morally cornered) tend to be harder to control, and that lack of control is often what women find attractive. Power, not morality, tends to be the real turn on.
So when it comes to women I’m romantically involved with (or potentially could be or they could have an interest with me) I’ve learned to be highly skeptical of any moral arguments or influence that I feel are emanating off them. I no longer take moral pressure at face value. It’s not that I reject morality itself I just don’t trust it as much when it’s coming from a potential romantic partner
The problem with this is it really does make you lose trust and faith people when someone uses morals to dominate and control you.
And to be blunt. When I do challenge a potential romantic partner they often don’t know what the fuck they’re talking about or they can’t formulate a coherent point. So the bad thing shifts from the actual thing to the fact that I’m so lame or wrong for noticing, acknowledging and discussing it.
To put it simply in my dealings with women when you get on their bad side they will often try to make you feel bad for taking your own side.
Never the less I’m not a black piller about women. There are a lot of great women out there who will be on your team. They also see the world in a different way and it can be beneficial to get their perspective on things. It’s just that the way you get them on your team is not the way you would get men on your team.
Women are also extremely attracted to guys who have true integrity and authenticity. And I don’t necessarily just mean moral integrity. I mean integrity in every aspect of the word. Someone who can withstand high amounts of social pressure has a certain kind of integrity. Perhaps they are attracted because many women struggle and are often lacking themselves in this area
“If you could have an android Stepford wife who could actually bear children, would you choose her over a real woman?”
Answer from the “broken” male perspective: no, because being given an android would do nothing to boost self-esteem. That’s the broken perspective because getting a boost to self-esteem is the wrong reason to get a real woman.
Answer from a normal male perspective: no, because even an extraordinarily sophisticated android could not “want” to be there. I don’t see AI developing actual consciousness and free will any time soon.
Such an android would only be useful in the extreme circumstance of a last-ditch attempt to preserve the race (you postulated that the android could bear real children) in the event that women find themselves unable to overcome their repulsion.
“Let’s assume, for the sake of argument, that such a link is established (sure) .. Will young women get any credit for knowing intuitively that something was ‘off’?”
Definitely yes, and it would be worth investigating the process of that intuition. Because as you well know, incels are not men who get first dates but not second dates. Incels are men who never get second glances. So how did the women know without even speaking to the men?
If it turns out that men are awful because of the vaccines, would that raise them to the level of human beings in your mind? If it’s a medical issue, it wouldn’t be their fault, right? So would women be able to have some sympathy for men in that circumstance, even though they would have to keep rejecting them? I’ll invite you to answer honestly.
While the advice is tactically and strategically sound, there is something that feels inherently dishonorable, disgusting and demoralizing about hiding one’s most deeply held passionate views. Pandering to women even as an idea feels so…distasteful. It feels like the heroic (or perhaps more like a seppuku?) course of action would be to speak a monologue to the woman about the lie of equality and then imagine oneself as a brave aristocrat of the soul when walking away with head held high.
On the other hand, I’ve always been quite a solitary person and can deal with being without women quite well. For the average male it is probably much more difficult.
On a more general note about the phenomenon: One positive outlook is that as the movement grows, as it seems to be doing, and as its public faces become quality people, more women will be attracted to it. Also as the more moderate right in general becomes more mainstream, white nationalism will be slightly closer to the Overton window as well. This combined with the (especially in European cities) harassment women face from immigrants (personal negative experience is effective) could increase the amount of women sympathetic to our ideas or at least not outright repulsed by it.
One needn’t remain silent about politics for the duration. I’d say it’s more a matter of easing into the subject slowly, and not on the first few dates. In the earliest phases of a relationship, people are looking for reasons to exclude each other, so we don’t end up with an ax murderer or a dependapotamus. In the beginning, she doesn’t know you, and you have no credibility with her yet. After a few dates, you’ll no longer be “the other” who just said something politically incorrect.
You only have to hide your views for the first handful of dates, not the entirety of the relationship
“One man announced his adherence to “biblical patriarchy” on the first date. This was a mistake…”
Something that fundamental may best be sorted out sooner rather than later.
As for procreation, environmentalism, & anti-Zionism, that covers a whole lot of territory. Interesting women enjoy intelligent conversation, if asserting male dominance (or submission) is left out of it.
The ultimate chat-up line – “Hello, my name’s Adolph Stahlhelm, would you care to join me in an apple strudel?” Will it work……………….? The moral of the story – Keep your mouth shut and bide your time. As my dad used to say, “It’s nice to be nice” A good product sells itself.
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