Counter-Currents
Il Sodoma, “The Martyrdom of Saint Sebastian,” c. 1525
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Derek Black’s renunciation of White Nationalism raises questions of wider significance about how people form and reject beliefs. There are two basic kinds of beliefs: those you think are true based on reality and reason vs. those you think are true based on other people’s opinions.
If you base your beliefs on reality and reason, then you will change them as new facts come to light or as better arguments are presented. For example, I used to be a classical liberal, but classical liberalism grants no importance to racial and cultural differences, and when I realized that these were more important than individual freedom and capitalist economics, I rejected classical liberalism as subversive of higher values.
Why I am a White Nationalist
I am a White Nationalist because I believe that the survival of my race is threatened by the present political and economic system, which prizes individualist, capitalist, liberal, multicultural, and multiracial values. I see that these “race blind” and “race neutral” values are incompatible with the preservation and flourishing of my race. Race is real. Racial conflict is real. The other races are not going to trade racial competition for race-blind universalism. And any race that will not take its own side in racial conflict has no future.
I am concerned to preserve my race simply because it is mine, because it is my extended family. I also wish to preserve my race because I believe that it most closely approximates to the aesthetic and moral ideals I hold dear, ideals which may be race-specific but which seem to be universal because they are cherished by other races as well, so far as they are able. Finally, I want to preserve my race because I believe that biology has a huge impact on culture, thus many of my most cherished cultural, political, and scientific values could not have arisen without white people and will not be appreciated or preserved without white people.
Because the survival of my race is threatened by the current political and economic system, I believe that we need a new system that puts race at the center of political priorities—not individual freedom, capitalism, or tolerance and pluralism, which are genuine values, but lesser values than the preservation of the race that creates and sustains them. I believe that each race and each distinct people should have a nation or nations of its own, in which it can live according to its own identity and values and pursue its own destiny, free from the interference of other races and peoples. Finally, I believe that the main enemy of the idea of nationalism for every nation is the organized Jewish community, which promotes race-destroying values for other societies as a tool of ethnic warfare.
The Derek Black Case
It is my understanding that Derek Black more or less believed the same things I do. Because I strive to base my views on reality and reason, I was naturally curious to hear why Derek Black had rejected White Nationalism. Did he have new arguments that I could not answer? Had he discovered hitherto unknown facts about race, the Jewish question, and the present-day political system? With these questions in mind, I eagerly scanned the news reports, only to be disappointed.
Derek Black has apparently rejected White Nationalism not for new truths but for old lies: pure Leftist boilerplate that rejects biology and biological inequality and explains unequal group performance in terms of social injustice, which in America means white injustice, for which whites can atone though affirmative action, non-white immigration, and all other forms of white dispossession and self-abasement.
Many people have speculated about Derek Black’s motives for abandoning White Nationalism for this kind of mush. Is it peer pressure? Rebellion against his parents? Love? Perversion? Blackmail? Insanity? Did he grow tired of alienation and want to be plugged into the Matrix?
I am less interested in Derek Black’s particular motives, or in the Derek Black case in general, than in what would make it possible for anyone to abandon truth for any reason. Two factors strike me as relevant, the first having to do with the basis of belief, the second having to do with strength of character.
Objective Truth vs. Common Opinion
People who base their beliefs on reason and reality generally will change them only if given better facts and better arguments. People who base their beliefs on the opinions of others generally hold the beliefs of the people around them, particularly the most important people around them. When one grows up, one’s beliefs are shaped primarily by one’s parents and other authority figures. As one grows older, one’s beliefs are shaped primarily by one’s peers. Derek Black may simply have adopted White Nationalism because it was the worldview of his father, whom he wished to please. When he went off to college, he found a new, politically-correct peer group and authority figures, and he may have changed his opinions to suit them.
If this is the case, then we can say that it is possible to reject White Nationalism for Political Correctness—truth for falsehood—if one never really thought that White Nationalism was true in the first place—if one never really understood that truth means correspondence with reality, not mere agreement with other people. I don’t believe that it is possible to reject truth for lies if one really believes that truths are based on objective reality and lies are not. But if one merely adopts beliefs to please other people, then truth and falsehood have no objective meaning. They are just different ways that people express approval and disapproval. Then it becomes possible to adopt and discard radically different beliefs at will, based on the audience and aims of the moment.
Of course, there are two kinds of apostasy: one in which one actually changes one’s beliefs, the other in which one merely verbally renounces them under duress without changing one’s inner convictions. The first kind can be explained entirely in terms of a deep-dyed conventionalism, but the latter can’t. Moral factors come into play.
Furthermore, nobody is entirely unconcerned with objective truth. It matters when you balance your check book, or if you are falsely accused of a crime. But when it comes to the moral and political opinions that one has to profess to be considered cool or enlightened or just mainstream, their connection to the real world is nebulous to begin with. For one thing, the worst consequences of multiculturalism lie far into the future. And since at present most liberals occupy reality-free bubbles of prosperity and security—college campuses, college towns, resort communities, wealthy urban and suburban enclaves—they are insulated from the costs of diversity and even positioned to profit from it, financially and in terms of status, by abasing themselves before the black idols of white guilt. Thus for most people, politically correct opinions are entirely divorced from objective reality in terms of their grounds and consequences. Instead, they function as cheap tokens of status, easy ways of seeking social approval.
The closer you are to reality, and the more accountable you are for the objective consequences of your actions, the greater the importance of objective truth in determining your belief system. The further you are from reality and the less accountable you are for the objective consequences of your actions and beliefs, the greater the importance of social approval in selecting one’s opinions.
The Issue of Character
Strength of character comes in as follows. All human beings value truth and the good opinions of their fellows to some extent. But these values often conflict. Strength of character is required to cleave to the greater good. The truth of White Nationalism is, of course, more important than the approval of a decadent society based on lies and hell-bent on destruction. This does not mean that you are a coward if you choose not discuss White Nationalism where it is not socially appropriate (over Thanksgiving dinner) or where it is not likely to produce a positive effect (with your boss, or your congressman, or your Jewish dentist). But if forced to choose publicly between White Nationalism and Political Correctness, the man of character will choose truth over lies.
Of course, many people have good reasons to want to avoid having to make that choice. They require the approval of their families, friends, colleagues, employers, and customers to lead good lives. Some of them wish to burrow into the system, gain as much wealth and influence as possible, and use it to advance our cause. They are secret agents. So they keep their views secret. And the rest of us have to respect that. If the system were able to socially and economically destroy every White Nationalist, it would be stronger and our movement would be weaker.
I have argued that if White Nationalism is to grow as a force, we have to follow two basic rules:
1. Everyone gets to choose his own level of involvement with White Nationalism and explicitness in advocating it.
2. Everybody else has to respect those decisions, while, of course, maintaining that the most admirable position is that of the fully explicit and proud White Nationalist.
In particular, everyone has to respect the anonymity of fellow White Nationalists. Anyone who “outs” fellow White Nationalists to expose them to harm from the system should suffer the social death of shunning. Similarly, any White Nationalist who through lax security measures allows personal information about White Nationalists to fall into the hands of “anti-fa” hackers, or movement kooks with track records of “outing” people, should suffer social death as well.
In exchange for these courtesies from explicit White Nationalists, I have asked implicit White Nationalists to reciprocate as follows.
1. Stop complaining about the eccentric and marginal people who are willing to be explicit White Nationalists. It is easier to be brave when you have less to lose. Courage and principle are also often paired with prickly or eccentric personalities.
2. Stop rehearsing horror stories and gloom and doom scenarios that make it harder for White Nationalists to become or remain explicit.
What If You are Outed?
Another bit of advice for White Nationalists who wish to remain anonymous or silent: If you are outed—whether by yourself, a group like the Southern Poverty Law center, or a turncoat in our own ranks—do not apologize or surrender or go groveling for absolution from our enemies. It doesn’t help you or the cause.
Don’t focus on how being exposed as a White Nationalist will ruin your credibility. Instead, try to control the damage. Try to maintain your credibility and moral stature by not apologizing and not backing down. Then, think of how you can lend some of your dignity and credibility to our ideas.
Don’t count the “friends” you are losing. They’re gone anyway. Surrender and groveling will not win them back. That will merely disgust and dishearten movement people who would otherwise be sympathetic to your plight. So instead count the friends that you will be gaining by not backing down.
Don’t let the online kooks fool you. The White Nationalist community is filled with highly intelligent, accomplished, morally upright, and neurologically normal people. Many of the finest people I have met are White Nationalists. You should be proud to count them as friends and ashamed to dishonor them with your apostasy. Furthermore, outside the movement, there are still people who admire moral character, even in people with whom they disagree.
It is easy to understand and even forgive a Galileo, who paid lip-service to the church’s dogmas when threatened with torture and death. But White Nationalists today are being threatened with nothing worse than social disapproval and employment discrimination. Furthermore, the church had the power to force Galileo into apostasy in part because of a long litany of Christian martyrs who chose differently: they preferred death before apostasy, or even mere lip-service to ideas they considered false. All things being equal, the side that is willing to fight the hardest and give up the most—even life itself—will win.
Ultimately, White Nationalism will not win until we can inspire people to prefer death to dishonor—until we can inspire people to martyr themselves for our racial survival. People who will suffer dishonor to preserve their economic status and the good opinion of complete strangers are natural slaves. The system can easily control them. But it cannot control people who would rather die than submit. It fears them, because a man who has conquered the fear of death has conquered all lesser fears, and he may inspire others to do so as well.
Thus White Nationalists must give the highest honors to explicit White Nationalists who demonstrate that they are willing to give everything to the cause by living a warrior’s life and dying a martyr’s death.
High honors are also due explicit White Nationalists who fight for our cause but never face the ultimate defining choice of martyrdom.
White Nationalists like Charles Krafft, who stand their ground when the system outs them and targets them for economic and social destruction, also deserve high honors.
Explicit White Nationalists need, in turn, to respect those who choose to remain secret agents within the system, particularly those who give active support to explicit White Nationalists.
Teach Your Children Well
With the apostasy of Derek Black—and the somewhat similar case of Lynx and Lamb Gaede of Prussian Blue—there is a significant mitigating factor. They were brought into public roles in White Nationalism as children. They were not allowed to determine their own level of explicitness and involvement. Their parents played a large role as well. Thus it was perfectly natural, when they grew up, to decide for themselves how involved they wanted to be, and to revise matters accordingly. One may quarrel with how they went about it, particularly in the case of Derek Black. But, in principle, I think they have the right to decide to leave the movement and lead private lives, as far as that is possible.
I think it is unethical for parents to involve their children publicly in White Nationalism, just as it is unethical to involve them in child-acting, child-modeling, and child-beauty pageants. These scenes are psychologically stressful for even the strongest adults. For children, whose characters and tastes are still developing, they can be psychologically crushing. The whole thing smacks of another scarring decision foisted upon children by parents: infant circumcision. In both cases, part of a child—be it only his innocence, his privacy, his childhood—is snipped off and discarded by his parents to consecrate him to their idols.
I do not, however, subscribe to the common view that it is a waste of time to try to pass one’s values on to one’s children because they will only “rebel.” Empirical studies confirm that the single most powerful influence on a child’s values and worldview are those of his parents. Why, then, is the lie that it is futile to teach one’s children values so widely circulated? So that children are delivered to the schools and popular culture as blank slates for politically-correct brainwashing, which has never been deterred by the argument that it is futile and will only lead to rebellion.
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The model White Nationalist is a person whose convictions are founded on reason and reality and who has the strength of character to stand up for the truth and work for the salvation of our race despite social and economic pressures, threats of torture and imprisonment, and even a martyr’s or a warrior’s death. This is a heroic ideal, by which we can measure ourselves and which we can strive to emulate. The great problem of our movement is to find or form men who put truth before opinion and death before dishonor—men who are hard enough to shatter this system, not weaklings who will crawl through the mud before its idols to protect their credit ratings.
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One word: Inspiring.
” The great problem of our movement is to find or form men who put truth before opinion and death before dishonor—men who are hard enough to shatter this system, not weaklings who will crawl through the mud before its idols to protect their credit ratings.” (Greg Johnson)
Yes, I agree. We need people who are so committed to the survival and amelioration of White humans that they’ll accept any hardship (including death) that the anti-White system will throw at them. We need people like the early Christians who celebrate being persecuted for their faith. The thing is, this kind of dedication comes from more than just “reason” or “reality.” Our folks need to feel as if they’re on a mission allotted to them by the creator of the Universe. We need artists, orators, and heroes to inspire these feelings in the folk.
I believe that the people who can best take part in open activism at this point are people without families. When I say “families” I’m talking about a spouse and kids. A supportive spouse would be nice, but once you have kids relying on you it becomes difficult and even dangerous for the kids.
Being a BUGSter I believe a message is the main tool at this point. I’d like to see some very talented, eclectic and artistic people being paid full-time to convey our message (using Art, street theater, oratory. etc).
Money would sure help a lot. A Stop White Genocide foundation would pay people who think of creative and effective ways of conveying the message. If someone has an idea, they present the idea to the foundation, and the foundation would provide grants to carry out the idea if it sounds viable.
One thing about the message. We must point out White genocide, but then we must also provide a vision for a better future. We need films that depict a future White community. It needs to show how people live, how they work, the beauty of the people and the aesthetical qualities of the community. Show this community exploring space and solving problems, free of political correctness, identity politics, white guilt, and the Talmudic filth that comes out of Hollywood.
We need people with true spirit who see fighting the anti-White system as an adventure. Those who are effective at it will be the heroes of future generations. Although I never liked the term, we need people who are “against time” (I never liked it because it sounds reactionary and fearful of change) ; unconcerned with anything except the mission of smashing the anti-White system, and implementing the conditions that will allow White-kind to reach our true potential in the Universe.
More comments on this excellent commentary to follow, but first:
Greg Johnson in blockquote:
The most effective support remains money, sent regularly (monthly would be fine) without fail, to counter-currents.
This site averages roughly 80 k unique visitors a month. I am completely broke and I have just given $100. If 1/8 of us gave $100 a year Greg would have about a million a year to work with. Even if you can’t afford it, give it anyway. It matters. He’ll do good with your money. Go without a coffee, one day a week, for the greater good.
Thank you for that. It means a lot.
I’m afraid that’s not entirely true. I know that there are (presumably brave) WNist soldiers or ex-soldiers who nevertheless keep their views secret. They obviously could conquer their fear of death, but not of social death and/or loss of a job and hardship for their family.
Personal death is far from being the worst fate for most people, if it is honourable. What is worse is being not honoured and being ostracised, and unfortunately the system can give you exactly that.
My point is that if you conquer the fear of death, you conquer all lesser fears. I did not deny that there are greater fears, which is your point.
Yes there was a great article in the old Gnosis magazine about that once. The author, a military man and martial artist, said he knew many tough men who couldn’t speak in public. And even physical courage subdivides: he knew wilderness rescue guys of great courage who had trouble facing another man in a fight because the psychological aspect. So perhaps it is a social fear again. Perhaps such men could be fine soldiers but just couldn’t bear the pressure of facing another man one on one.
“The world may be explained in sociological terms. David Riesman describes three basic social personalities in The Lonely Crowd. ‘Other-directed’ people pattern their behavior on what their peers expect of them. Suburban America’s men in gray-flannel suits are other-directed. ‘Inner-directed’ people are guided by what they have been trained to expect of themselves. [General Douglas] MacArthur was inner-directed. The third type, the ‘tradition-directed,’ has not been seen in the West since the Middle Ages. Tradition-directed people hardly think of themselves as individuals; their conduct is determined by folk rituals handed down from the past.”
– American Caesar, by William Manchester, p. 537 [source]
We inner-directed men often fail to understand other-directed men when they’re speaking. Derek’s renunciation was clearly boiler-plate because that’s all ideology ever is and can be for the other-directed man. The ideology is as arbitrary and disposable as a hat, one to be disposed of when it becomes an impediment to the lodestar of worldly status and behavioral reinforcement.
Typically, other-directed men wouldn’t have ended up in his situation in the first place. They just go along with the milieu. This one had the unfortunate biographical conundrum of beginning life in a current rolling rapidly one way, then ended up in a current rolling rapidly the other. I still don’t get how people are upset about Derek not merely “lying low”. You can’t merely lie low in that context, as the antis don’t allow for that.
The loud clanging denunciation was the path of least resistance.
As Greg suggests, you absolutely ought to do everything you can to reach your kids. But you mustn’t attempt to prop them up as leaders. The best a parent can do is surround them with the tools a leader would benefit from and hope he stands on his own strength. As frustrating as it can be for an ambitious parent with big dreams for their children, the overwhelming majority of people aren’t cut out for leadership.
Matt, when Riesman was taught to me, the professor neglected the third term: the tradition-directed person. I think a fourth term is reality-directed. Both tradition and reality are bigger than the self and wiser — richer, more reality- and value-laden — than the present-day “crowd” from which other-directed people take their bearings. Ideally, tradition is a way that ideas, values, and institutions that accord with reality are brought down to us. So it really boils down to being reality directed or opinion directed. I think, however, that inner-directed people have a better chance of getting in touch with reality than other-directed people in an age in which society has become corrupted, uprooted from reality, and is speeding into the abyss.
I never studied him. Would reality directed correspond to Kohlberg’s post conventional morality?
Thanks for this, Greg, although I must admit I had never heard of Derek Black before reading this.
My highest ideal is “the survival and ascension of the white race.” My golden rule “is this good for my people?” My mantra is:
My race is my religion!
My race is my nation!
My skin is my uniform!
I will never quit!
Long live the white race!
These axioms are the foundation for my intellectual and philosophical outlook on life. I am also a Pantheist i.e., I believe white men and women can evolve into gods through reincarnation and continuous upward striving. This has always been my belief, long before I could articulate it. Pantheism is the natural religion of the white man, perhaps I will do an article on it someday.
Well said.
We all need to work on boiling things down like that.
I would be interested in your pantheism piece.
This is the closest thing that I have ever seen to a White Nationalist’s Catechism. It should be expanded and focused for exactly that purpose. Many good points were made about not involving your children publicly in White Nationalism. This was a good point about its similarity to involving children in acting, modeling and beauty pageants. Shirley Temple never lived her childhood career down.
We should respect those who have real jobs and cannot come out without losing those jobs. Some of us can be public because we are blessed to be self employed. The article correctly points out that kissing the Poverty Pimps ass after you have been outed merely makes matters worse.
Zionist Rastafarian greetings to you, Comrade!
Thanks for your kind words, and welcome to Counter-Currents.
Hindsight is 20/20 they say. When the whole things started with Lynx and Lamb singing and recording I never imagined it would take on such a life of it’s own. The reason we even recorded the second album was because the girls had improved so much and they wanted to share that with the world. They chose and wrote all the songs, that is why many of them were not political at all.
In 2005 we met Derek and spent some time with him in Florida at an event. A few things struck me. One was that for a boy of 16 or 17 he was very very shy. The other was that he apparently had no idea that his father ever tried to take over an island. We were at an after party in a hotel room, everyone was sitting around and having a good time and someone brought it up. Derek turned to his dad and asked him about it and it was obvious he had no idea what they were referring to. I thought that was strange. My kids know about all my escapades, at least they did by the time they were that age. The other thing was that we took him bowling and he had never been bowling. I felt that he was a very different kid, not bad or good just different . The twins even commented on it that he seemed much younger than they were and they were 13 at the time.
I am sure that Don did what he thought best with Derek because he loves his child. I think that we were naive about allowing our children to have a position as spokesperson for our cause, though not for the same reasons that you might think. If we had done the same thing 20 years earlier it would not have had the same result. But with the internet and the media the way it is now the kids never had a chance for privacy.
Despite what you naysayers will say though my kids had a great childhood in many many ways.They were raised as free spirits, playing on the hills and in the creeks, having animals and allowed to express themselves through music. The songs and lyrics that say they were written by the girls were written ENTIRELY by them. No input from me or my husband. They are THAT talented that they were able to make up those melodies and lyrics and I am very very proud of them for their creations.
The biggest complaint my daughters have about White Nationalism is the people involved. They have repeatedly said that they agree with preserving differences in race and see the need for it but they find the majority of the people involved really undesirable. This is my fault. I should never have allowed them to meet some of the people they have met in the movement.
So on this I will disagree with you Greg. We need to stop allowing the chaff to invade the wheat. We need to stop accepting people to whom this whole ideology and cause is a game or a gang. These people do not help us in any way and they drive away many many more people than they ever attract. In fact the main reason most of the decent White folks are staying away from joining us are because they think we are a bunch of tattooed up thugs and costume wearing morons. I am at the point where I agree with my daughters about the people involved. I am guilty of being accepting to people who I would never ever associate with other than that they are ” racialists”. My husband and I are at the point that when someone says they are a ” White Nationalist” we put up defenses because we have expectations of the ” boozy retards in homemade gestapo uniforms” of whom Pierce spoke.
I am sure Derek has seen many of these people over the years. Probably many more than Lynx and Lamb ever did and I am sure it bothered him just like it bothered the girls. That is why I try to only allow my youngest to meet the Greg Johnsons and the nice sane working families of the movement.
When the girls got back from Europe in 2007 they were really done with the White Nationalist movement in the US. They had seen what real Nationalists were like and the way they acted and that was enough to turn them from every wanting to do anything here again. Then Lynx got sick and we spent the next 2-3 years dealing with it.
When she and Lamb did the interview with Aaron Gell they really got blindsided in many ways. They didnt go to the media, they were getting calls and emails from the moment they turned 18, journalists flying to town to track them down, coming to my home for their address etc. They were literally hounded. They finally agreed to talk to Aaron since they knew him. He called them almost every day for over a few months time, hearing all the complaints, the arguments and the ups and downs of their lives at that time. One of the things that was going on was that Lynx was on a cocktail of medications that the doctor had prescribed for her migraines and stomach issues which were actually a lethal dosage. When we finally realized it we spent 6 months detoxing her off everything but Medical marijuana. Also their apartment had the roof cave in due to the negligence of a Jewish landlord and they spent 3 months breathing in what we later found to be huge amounts of poisonous black mold. Despite what Gell would have everyone believe we were and still are in each other’s lives every day and helping each other and being a close knit family.
The girls were repeatedly harassed by teachers and even employers over their past and their political views. I went through some of that when I grew up because of my dad’s cattle brand but nothing like what they had to endure. I think the end result was ” what am I defending here and why am I getting crap for associating with people who are such losers”, ” why not distance myself from these people and their wacky ideas and not have to defend it anymore”. Also they are young and needed a chance to make up their own minds about things. and become their own people. They have changed my mind about several things with their influence on me too. I have gone from being totally against MM to being an advocate for it.
Keep in mind the articles written or anything saying that the girls said that marijuana changed their political views is an outright lie and they are pretty pissed off about being misquoted that way. Their use of MM has nothing to do with their political views and it certainly doesn’t have anything to do with changing them from being ” Anti Semites” since they never were Anti Semites. What they did say is that they “don’t think that it makes any sense to ask them about the Holocaust since they don’t care and don’t have an opinion on it they are more concerned with things going on today in the world than something that happened before their parents were born.” Oh and they hate the US government, both Republicans and Democrats equally and they are pro Life.
Hope this answers some of your questions. I saw that some of you asked for my input on this. April Gaede
Thanks for your insights and experiences April. Hindsight is 20/20, and I am not criticizing you as a mother based on conclusions I drew just this week. But I do think that as a general rule, going forward, that WN parents do not involve their children publicly in our cause. I think we are largely in agreement on this issue.
This was a great article, and I agree with just about everything, however:
“There are two basic kinds of beliefs: those you think are true based on reality and reason vs. those you think are true based on other people’s opinions.”
When it comes to the “big subjects” such as philosophy, the meaning & purpose of life, and so forth (White Nationalism included), there is a great deal of emotion involved in formulating beliefs. In the case of the author, WN is associated with conserving his ethnicity and culture which he (and I) believe is good, beautiful and valuable. However, the perception of what is beautiful and good are value judgements, based on emotion. Many people have a very different perception about the author’s ethnicity and culture, and would celebrate their demise. Their reality is not his reality. I would hazard a guess that only a small minority of the world’s population would agree with the author on the ideals of beauty and culture or on the importance of conserving the European genepool. Their perceptions and opinions are quite different from his, and their reality is very different from his reality.
My purpose is not to question the author’s values, and I share them. But, I would like to propose a different model of how beliefs are formed and held. We have an analytical, reasoning part of our mind, part of our consciousness, and also a deeper, feeling mind, which is part of our subconscious. Our beliefs and habits are written onto that subconscious part similarly to computer programs, and we rarely question them. They run in the background just like the software on your computer. When we encounter new ideas or information, our analytical faculty compares that to what is already stored. If the new idea is compatible, we store it and it reinforces our previous beliefs. If incompatible, we reject it, and store it as an anomaly. During our early years (especially to age 8 or so), we are blank slates, and absorb our parents and teachers’ beliefs without analysis, as our analytical faculty is unformed yet. Later, as that faculty develops, we will question new ideas more, but will always be profoundly influenced by our previous teachings and learnings. If we continue to experience ideas that are incompatible with our current beliefs, we may experience a crisis, and be forced to reevaluate deeply held beliefs, although it is uncommon to experience a complete reorganization of them (the great majority rarely question their mental software programs).
Ultimately, my point is that beliefs are usually tied to a strong emotional component, and are held subconsciously. It would be mistaken to assume that logic, reason and reality are always significantly involved in formulating our belief systems.
In regard to the case of Derek Black, whether it is a case of preacher-son-rebellion or a desire for solace from being a hounded pariah at school, I don’t think the loss of an unremarkable college student really makes any difference to this movement.
I don’t think that value judgments are based on emotion.
I also don’t believe in the blank slate model of the mind.
I agree that most people do not form their beliefs rationally, since reason emerges rather late in our cognitive development. But mental maturity really does require a stage of re-evaluating our beliefs, which are largely held for irrational reasons, and seeing if they are based on reality.
1. Most people do “the right thing” because of rewards and punishments. Moral maturity is doing the right thing because one thinks it is right, regardless of the consequences.
2. Most people think that things are true because other people think they are true. With unimportant matters, this is fine. But with important things, we need to make sure that our beliefs are well-grounded, and if the rest of the world is wrong about the most important things, then moral and mental maturity requires that we go against the crowd.
It is hard, but it must be done.
I don’t think that Derek Black is important in himself, but he provides an occasion to discuss important issues. It should go without saying that I wish him and his family well.
“I don’t think that value judgments are based on emotion.”
From my perspective, emotion is a natural and legitimate experience, it is part of normal functioning and is not weakness or negative. When I connect with my values, I get a strong emotion. When the American flag waves and the anthem is played, I feel love of country and start to tear up (even though I dont want to feel allegiance to this political entity any more). Blonde babies make me feel happy inside. When it comes to the things we cherish and hold dear, there is little or no analytical or critical thought involved for most people. From my experience, values are pretty much all feeling-based (feelings are an essential part of our makeup and survivability).
“I also don’t believe in the blank slate model of the mind.”
A blank slate is an oversimplification, and people are born with many predispositions, predilictions and so forth. But, when it comes to beliefs and values, we have a high level of malleability. If Derek Black had been born in a cannibal tribe, he would have been an enthusiastic carnivore of human flesh, and his reality would include a genuine belief in the volcano god and other mythology of his tribe. If he had been born in his ancestral Ireland (he has red hair), he would have an enthusiastic belief in Druidism and Celtic myth, and it would be normal to regularly spike his hair and go into battle in the nude. In both cases, his language, customs and belief systems would be very different from that of our modern-day Derek Black, and he would see the world through very different eyes.
“But mental maturity really does require a stage of re-evaluating our beliefs, which are largely held for irrational reasons, and seeing if they are based on reality.”
I think that it was not nature’s plan for this process to be necessary. An ideal, adaptive society bestows its people with adaptive beliefs that do not need to be questioned. And for almost all of human existence, the values, traditions and culture people have been raised with have been functional and adaptive, designed to facilitate survival. Those values and beliefs were handed down from generation to generation, without need to question them. Occaisonally there would be the eccentric Socrates, but for 99% of the population the stories, myths and values were accepted unquestioningly, and the tribe flourished accordingly (in an adaptive society, critique is not tolerated very far). I don’t think that re-evaluating our deepest beliefs is a normal process (it shouldn’t have to be), although in an horribly maladaptive society like ours this is unfortunately necessary.
I think that it is also important to ask ourselves whether there are any truths or principles which are not solely bound to history and society; meaning that they are not entirely relative. To answer yes – whether our reasons for that answer are philosophical, spiritual, or scientific – is to reject relativism and nihilism. It is undeniable that one of the most important influences in determining people’s perception of reality and truth is time, place, and social environment. And indeed there are also many crucial and important emotional or otherwise non-rational forces for a person’s beliefs (reason alone thus never suffices). However, this does not mean that there are no timeless principles or truths.
To reference an example: egalitarians and multiculturalists oftentimes try to argue that racial miscegenation is normal and acceptable by using the fact that it has occurred all throughout history. Anyone who believes that race matters and that races should (under normal conditions) not mix is aware of this fact of history but must reject the conclusion drawn from it by their opponents; they must argue, instead, that miscegenation, despite its presence throughout history, is a violation of certain meta-historical principles, a deviation from normal social order. This implies that certain values are not merely arbitrary or relative, and that they thus have a higher and possibly transcendent meaning.
Andrew: “the perception of what is beautiful and good are value judgements”
The WN point of view is based on common sense, while the dominant Jewish discourse is transparent nonsense. Everyone knows that diversity, meaning having Blacks living across the street, is a calamity, not a “strength” or an “enrichment”. White people who laud “diversity” try to live in White neighborhoods. It means that they they do not have different values than White Nationalists. They are simply reciting their Jewishly correct lesson. Every goal we have in life is made more difficult by the race replacement crisis. It is true whether we want to get richer, give our children a better education, protect nature, fight street crime, restore probity in public life, improve the country’s economy, and so on. Supporting race replacement doesn’t make sense at all.
Strength and Honor,
Courage and Conviction,
Imperium!
Maybe Derek just couldn’t (squish squish) live with the hate anymore (squish squish)…..
I imagine that Derek simply came to the conclusion that he had more fun and liked the guys on the other side more than he like the ones on this side and he found this out so profoundly that he was even willing to go against his family because of it. It is not Derek’s fault that he found the other side better, it is ours.
I think that it is irresponsible to ask the few, noble, white folk still around to sacrifice themselves for the good of what is now a derancinated white bourgeoisie, who, as a majority, given the opportunity, would feed those of us who espouse WN ideas to the wolves. At this current time, the idea of fighting for the ‘white race’ is kind of silly, seeing as how almost 90% of Congress is white, more than 80% of American professors are white, and over 90% of the population who makes more than 100,000 a year are white.
Are we really victims? Or are have we (or at least successful whites) been handsomely rewarded for our compliance?
Do you hear so much as a peep or rebellion from Congress, academia, or the wealthy whites who have the stature, stage, and security that the average white lacks to make his opinion heard?
To ask any noble person to publicly stand up for ‘white interests’ at this point in time where the great majority would rather put their heads in the sand and conform, makes little sense. The people any WNs think he is fighting for don’t even exist in America. Mr. Johnson, if you want to make a purely genetic argument about saving white genes, I would buy that, but these ‘people’, as in modern whites, are not ‘our people’ for a variety of reasons.
Going public with your WN ID isn’t noble, it’s stupid.
White Nationalism is about saving our race and establishing a just social and political order that makes racial integrity and racial progress the central values. We having nothing to do with the political parties that guard the private interests of our ruling elites. We are fighting against those whites, not for them. The whites who profited handsomely from dismantling the American economy and white civilization in America will not be allowed to keep their gains. Instead, those will go to capitalize new industries within the White Republic. The miseducators will not be allowed access to people’s minds. System politicians will not be allowed to pop up and say, “I’ll lead you!” There needs to be a clean break, a thorough and just purge that sorts through people in the present leadership and determines levels of culpability and appropriate consequences. The only traces of these elites that will remain in a future White Republic are (1) the genes of some of their descendants, (2) the WN converts and secret agents in their ranks, and (3) those who were bystanders or whose guilt is minor and who can be re-educated.
Isn’t it wonderful Dr. Johnson when you have finally pierced the libertarian bubble. LOL
” How dare you ask me to sacrifice. I love my guilt. Isn’t that enough?” Did he or she even understand what you wrote? When did you ask anyone to go public? The reading skills of some people are really a wonder to behold. Do we blame the education system or just ongoing degeneracy?
PS
Emotional triggers used to bother me. Do I have the right to do that? I would stop when I saw the distress and back pedal to alleviate it. Now, my thinking is to enhance that distress and push more buttons. “Do you really want your kids to be slaves of the other? Do you really want your kids to learn about voodoo and sexual perversions? Do you really think animals have a choice when people think they like cross species sex? Would you give up your child to a barbecue to appease the gods of another race? What if the government said you had to? What would you do? Most people do not think in extremes, and well they might start. That beheading in London? Well the press is all about how that monster got his teeth knocked out in prison. Isn’t that awful and look a new baby king.
The powerful use ALL of their power to ensure WNism doesn’t get a fair hearing. Why? Among other reasons, they know that many whites would choose it. All? No. Of course not. But many would. Many white people are with us. They just can’t express it, or they don’t know that we exist. They’re busy trying to survive.
As for your complaint about the prevalence of deracination and the bourgeois outlook, who says the situation can’t be reversed? Mass deracination has already happened. So what? It’s unfortunate, but there is no going back. It’s done. We deal with it. It can be reversed. History shows quite clearly that it is possible for whole populations to transition from living under one set of values to other completely different values.
The goal of WNism as I understand it isn’t to save white folks, then preserve the current state of affairs forever in amber. Long term, of course the goals would include making and encouraging improvements on a cultural level and in other spheres of life. Physical survival must come first. This and the next few generations of white folks have it in their power to secure survival, hold territory and transmit the lessons of our time into the future so that future generations don’t repeat the same mistakes. Potentially, it’s a major contribution to the history of our people, helping them out of this morass and spiritual crisis until future Newtons and Mozarts come forward.
In certain kinds of men, both of varying type and level, the Higher Mind from which come Values, is unable to communicate directly with the conscious mind. So it will stimulate emotions, dreams, or even physical sensations. The Man must learn to analyze these and realize what they mean and from whence they come.
The ordinary or mass man gets his values from others. We must accept this. White Nationalism will not change it. But that’s not to say the average man has no nature, just that he cannot articulate it for himself or his culture. For that he depends on Higher Men – ideally of his own Race and Nation. Pierce said I believe that if we had six months of being in charge of the media, we could have our former opponents sincerely mouthing our slogans.
What about revelation ?
Either you experience it yourself or hear about it from other people.
The Derek Black episode merely reinforces my belief of the need for the creation of intentional white communities where pro-white views are considered the norm. This is the case especially for the children of pro-whites who feel so much pressure to reject their parents’ values in order to conform to their peer group.
Dude, you’ve delivered a great rationale to the projective force required to define a white nationalist with well constructed information acredited to good psychological analysis, with your work as a base the enjoyment to define a country ready to tackle the plights of modernity is shared in kindered spirit. Delivery of a nation capable to manage the realities observed shakling those people expectant to disbelive white lives as priority and itch their arse over the roads of your neighbours is tomorrow, dedication to life.
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