Counter-Currents
The Assassination of Charlie Kirk
It’s Them or Us
With Audio Version
Greg Johnson
1,346 words
On Wednesday, September 10th, I watched Charlie Kirk die, shot in the neck by an assassin as he spoke on the campus of Utah Valley University. There are reports, unconfirmed so far, that his wife and young daughter were present. My heart goes out to them and all who mourn his death.
I strongly disagreed with many of Charlie Kirk’s positions. But my deeper objection was that I saw him as a Conservative Inc. gatekeeper, positioned to prevent people from journeying toward the real right: nationalism, populism, white identity, and an awareness of the Jewish Question. Gradually, I came to hate him.
But over the last few years, I began to revise my opinion, because it became clear that Charlie Kirk was on the very journey that I thought he was trying to prevent others from taking. I still disagreed with him on Israel and Ukraine, but just since the beginning of this year, Kirk repeatedly stood against anti-whiteness, opposed H1Bs, discussed the Mossad-Epstein connection, attacked the myths about Martin Luther King, and even questioned the Civil Rights Act. His last post on X demanded that we politicize the murder of Iryna Zarutska to prevent other such crimes in the future.
Audio version: To listen in a player, use the one below or click here. To download the mp3, right-click here and choose “save link/target as.”
As I write, we do not know the identity of the killer, much less his motive, but that has not stopped millions from blaming the people they hate: liberals, Jews, trannies, Muslims, conservatives, gun owners, Donald Trump, even Ukraine. I’d bet money the killer is a Leftist. But until we have a suspect, it is wrong to cast blame and pointless to speculate about motives.
But there’s still quite a lot to comment on. Charlie Kirk’s body wasn’t even cold before Leftists, non-whites, trannies, and garden-variety libtards took to social media to say that he deserved to die because of his views. They also mocked his family and supporters, blamed Donald Trump, and demanded gun confiscation. There’s not even one moment of silence with these people.
There’s a lesson in this, a radicalizing one: we can’t live with these people. Charlie Kirk was a moderate. He believed in reasoned debate with his political opponents. He believed that college should expose people to different ideas. That’s why he was at Utah Valley University. That’s why he was killed. And liberals say he deserved it because of his ideas. This means they think that every one of us also deserves to die. Thus, once again, we can’t live with these people. Literally. They want us dead.
BREAKING: Several Democrats celebrated when Charlie Kirk was shot in front of his wife and two children. pic.twitter.com/9PnmaquYNG
— The General (@GeneralMCNews) September 11, 2025
Yet in January of 2029, if a Democrat wins the White House, the very same people who think Charlie Kirk deserved to die—along with everyone to the right of him, and vast swathes of people toward the center—will demand a “peaceful transfer of power.”
Note that the Left no longer defines democracy as getting the most votes—because frequently they don’t. Instead, democracy is the Right “peacefully transferring power” to them even in stolen elections, even under the threat of violent insurrection.
The “peaceful transfer of power” to the Left basically means handing a loaded gun—indeed, millions of loaded guns, the full power of the state—to the people who think you deserve to die for your views.
Do you think that’s a good idea?
I don’t. You’d have to be either suicidal or stupid to do that. I am neither. Multiparty democracy is impossible unless you can hand your political enemies a loaded gun from time to time and trust them not to shoot you with it. As I argue in my essay, “The End of American Democracy” in Is America Doomed?, that America is long dead.
America is no longer one country divided into two parties. It is now two nations sharing the same territory and political system, slowly coming to the realization that we can’t live with one another, that we are in a zero-sum struggle for survival, that it’s them or us.
The Left concluded in 2020 that Donald Trump was too dangerous to be allowed to continue in office, no matter who got the most votes. Thus they stole the election and cowed the Republicans (not a difficult thing to do) into going along with them by threatening more unhinged Leftist violence.
You can buy Greg Johnson’s Is America Doomed? here.
The Democrats would have stolen the election in 2024 if it had been close enough to be plausible, but since they knew that Harris was going to lose (even while raising untold millions for her campaign), they didn’t even try to steal it, and when their shooter missed, they pretty much resigned themselves to defeat.
I have no question that the Democrats will do anything to regain the White House in 2028, and if they are allowed to take power, they will put an end to American democracy for good. Then they’ll open the borders again and arrest or just kill their opponents.
So you can listen to me now, or you can listen to me later saying “I told you so” in Guantanamo.
Don’t tell me that the people gloating over Kirk’s death are marginal and would have no power in a future Democrat administration. They are precisely the kind of vermin who stole into the White House in Joe Biden’s luggage. They were the people who wielded the autopen while Biden shuffled, drooled, and crapped himself. They are the representatives who interrupted a moment of silence for Charlie Kirk in Congress. And because the Left has no brakes, the next Democrat administration will only be worse. Do you really want to bet your life and the future of America on a leopard changing its spots?
“I support Charlie Kirk’s killer. He did us a favor, I would have killed him myself”
Seattle protestor says at candle lit vigil for Charlie Kirk, the day he died. pic.twitter.com/kLUxSidQ2b
— Cam Higby 🇺🇸 (@camhigby) September 11, 2025
It is time for the Right to have a mature conversation about simply abolishing the Democrat party: seizing its assets, shutting down its institutions, and disqualifying its politicians and activists from participation in public life. They should be reduced to the status of minors, retards, and crazy people.
Of course that doesn’t mean that the likes of Mike Johnson will rule unopposed. We can still have a multiparty democracy. In fact, I’ll volunteer to lead the opposition.
In the meantime, we can practice smashing the Democrats by taking names and collecting scalps.
College students reacting to Charlie Kirk’s d€ath
“Charlie Kirk got shot and k!lled. How do you feel?”
GIRL 1: “Happy. Goodbye.”
GIRL 2: “He was a disgusting person with disgusting beliefs.”
GIRL 3: “Girl, someone had to do it.”🤐 pic.twitter.com/7A9PPc8YOX
— The Resonance (@Partisan_12) September 11, 2025
Already, a website called Expose Charlie’s Murderers is collecting examples of Leftists praising Charlie’s death. Libs of TikTok is also compiling an endless stream of unhinged Leftist hate. Southern California activist Ryan Sanchez received several online threats when he organized a candlelight vigil Wednesday night at Huntington Beach for Charlie. At another vigil in Boise Idaho, a fight broke out after a man drove through the vigil on a scooter shouting “f— Charlie Kirk.”
You can buy Greg Johnson’s The Year America Died here.
Document these people’s statements with screenshots so they can’t delete them later. Then find their employers and demand that they be fired. After all, if a teacher, a lawyer, a doctor, a nurse, or even a burger flipper hates white conservatives and thinks they should die, they can’t be trusted with serving white conservatives, can they?
Charlie Kirk’s murder reveals that America is a deeply polarized and profoundly sick society. The Left is making this rift abundantly clear. But we should also beware of centrists who will try to paper over this divide with patriotic corn about “unity,” blaming “both sides,” whataboutisms, and pretending to be beyond partisan politics. Anything to prevent you from drawing a friend-enemy distinction in the right place.
Charlie Kirk’s murder reveals a sobering truth: we can’t live with these people. Fortunately, we don’t have to.
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147 comments
Well put Greg, but we all know nothing is going to happen. I hate to be so pessimistic but the good for nothing republicans will not take any steps towards what you suggested.
I think we need to stop saying “nothing is ever going to happen,” frankly. I wonder how many people said that same thing to the stalwart troublemakers of the civil-rights era, for example. One day they’re getting fire-hosed, sixty years later they’re stabbing Whitey in the neck with impunity because he might be thinking “nigger”.
Thanks for setting me straight. It’s so easy to be pessimistic. I’m sure you can understand that. Like Greg has always said, this will only continue until we say No.
Believe me, Fred, I get it.
So long as the fossils that this movement gives deference to persist in punching down at powerless, semi-retarded Africans with crime stats or making irrelevant arguments about how Americans were better off in the British Empire, whatever does happen will be less than what could happen. And it will happen despite, not because of, this old guard. It is time for them to go.
This is struggle. As Johnson correctly puts it: Them or Us.
I know of no struggle for national self-determination that was ever won by holding conferences. We need organization and leaders under 60, not neckties and yet another round of tired bloviation. We need our own 31-year-olds taking it to 15-year-olds.
Too many of the old heads who are passed off as “wise men” either don’t know or won’t say who the enemy is. These men are more than twice Charlie Kirk’s age and know, or ought to know, better. Of what use are they? Unless they are rich and free with their money, I see no point in keeping such jetsam around.
If you don’t know who you are fighting, you will never win.
Our struggle is not against blacks or immigrants. Our struggle is against Jews and their power. Their power. Not their pawns.
Win that struggle, and everything else follows. Lose that and lose everything.
If you think you can win without facing this square, you don’t understand the war we are fighting.
I don’t know what the hell you are talking about here. Who is favoring a WN gerontocracy?
Maybe a better question is where are all those youthful whippersnappers who are being denied power somehow?
The future is always the youth.
But the problem with kids is that it takes them too much time to wise up. If they somehow happen not to wrap themselves around a light pole with the roadster, then they don’t stay youthful for very long anyway. There is a systemic reason why “don’t trust anyone over thirty” movements don’t never go nowhere.
Hitler actually said that people shouldn’t start a political career until they turned 30.
Charlie Kirk would have turned 32 next month. As far as I know, he had never run for nor held political office. But I see from Kirk’s bio that he was an Eagle Scout. I wonder how many Leftist scumbags could boast likewise.
The way to make real change is with organic movements that learn how to utilize the best strengths, talents, and achievements of all their constituent parts or classes towards a holistic goal.
The idea that White people are served in any way by smarmy punks endlessly talking about Boomers, whatever that even means, is complete hogwash.
Also, while the Jewish Question is indeed crucial ─ and it cannot be ignored ─ it is not the entirety of the White problem.
Yes, those dumb criminal Darkies and the swarthy hordes of immigrants, and all the others ─ including the usual throngs of affluent White Liberal PoS ─ they are all part of the Big Picture/Big Problem.
No, it is not just the Joos.
Idiocracy.
🙂
@scott: “the future is always the youth”
That’s why they killed him.
Reasoning with someone who believes like you do as expressed here, and who communicates those beliefs in that cocksure, mid-twenties, bridge-burning way, goes nowhere.
He is right.
Dismantling Jewish supremacy in the USA is the necessary condition for a dignified future for White Americans.
The no-agency-golem (NAG) theory is the daftest thing going.
I don’t envy you the task of explaining how all our other enemies’ enmity vanishes by taking care of Jewish enmity, but that’s what you’ll have to do in order to have any credibility.
Until you can do that, this “Jews are the only real enemy” silliness only makes you look like a fetishist.
“No agency golem” is a strawman.
Jewish supremacists are powerful enemies. Other groups (Blacks, Muslims, sincere leftists, illegal immigrants) are weak adversaries. It is possible to reach an accommodation with an adversary, but an enemy must be defeated. To defeat a powerful enemy, allies are needed.
Practical consequences include the following:
We should be careful not to insult our adversaries – men sometimes forgive an injury, but never an insult. I’ve noticed that Jewish “allies” of White Nationalism try to prompt us to outright insult our adversaries, thus closing off all possibility of strategic cooperation with any non-White group (other than Jews, of course).
And there certainly is room for strategic cooperation.
The Nation of Islam did us a favor when they published a history of the trans-Atlantic slave trade which highlighted the massive Jewish over-representation in the slave trade, and a history of the Leo Frank case entitled The Lynching of a Guilty Man (well worth a read, especially for the surprising respect they give Tom Watson, arch segregationist though he was).
Our movement has long advocated for a non-interventionist foreign policy – we invented the term “ZOG” decades before The Israel Lobby was written. Now we suddenly have a glut of allies to help us finally achieve this goal.
Indeed, the Palestinians face the exact same dilemma as us. A dignified existence for their nation in the land of their ethno-genesis is only possible if Jewish supremacy is dismantled in the USA.
Another practical consequence relates to security. I frankly would not recommend any newly awakened White person attend a pro-White conference where Jews are speakers or guests of honor, because they absolutely will submit reports on all attendees to the ADL. Congrats, now you are in the data base of the largest, most thoroughly networked “anti-hate” group in existence.
Until you can explain how taking care of the Jews makes all our other enemies’ enmity disappear, no credibility.
(And on the subject of credibility, calling blacks, Muslims, liberals, etc. weak, given the state of things, doesn’t exactly speak for one’s powers of discernment.)
I’ll bet a hack would show your IP address is in Tel Aviv.
I’ll bet you would have credibility…if you could explain how getting rid of Jewish enmity makes all our other enemies’ enmity go away.
Until you can do that, “NAG Theory” is DOA, whether my IP adress is in Tel Aviv or Hackensack.
Dismantling the Democratic party would be a tall order. There are certainly dozens of institutions that could be seized before we “ran into a hard case” as you say.
Certainly dismantling Antifa, the ADL, MSNBC, and Reddit would be a common sense, popular move at this time.
Thanks. I really would like to make a meme of this idea that we can deport 100 million, or shut down 1000 NGOs, or imprison 500 doctors who perform “gender-affirming care” before we find “a single hard case.”
Prof Johnson: youre right in spirit here. But hes right in fact. What would Machiavelli say/advise in response to this?
The comment youre pushing back against is simply saying to nip around the edges. At least we are ON THE OFFENSIVE! something you and many esteemed writers here on CC has championed, even begged for for years.
“Dismantling” the democrat party, st this moment, is a bridge too far. Several bridges in fact.
This is war. And wars can be lost by winning one victory in battle and over-extending as a result.
I think it is important to have a conversation about using state power to crush the Left. Because the Left are already having such conversations about us.
But I suggested something we can also do in the short term: cancel Leftists while there is a sufficient moral panic.
We also need to keep polarization and agitation going against centrist attempts to defuse tensions and diffuse attention.
Going after Antifa as domestic terrorists would have massive support and be an exhilarating gateway to embolden going after other more sacred cows (looking at you, BLM).
Mr. Kirkpatrick: Lest anyone forget, in the last Biden-Trump debate in the 2020 election some journalist brushed up against the invisible fences and asked Biden a question that the System would never approve.
He asked Biden if, in the event he were to be elected, his administration would ever prosecute an adherent of AntiFa who committed a crime.
Demonstrating a rare bit of integrity, Biden looked into the camera and gave the American voters his honest position:
A Biden Administration would NEVER prosecute an Antifa for committing a crime. He tried to soften this remarkable statement telling us that as chief magistrate of the country he would give free rein to thugs friendly to him to commit crimes as they wished.
Biden ‘splained it real good.
According to Biden, turning a benign eye upon crimes committed by AntiFa is hunkey-dorey…because “AntiFa is a PHILOSOPHY!”
Under Biden we lived for 4 years under an administration that would not enforce the criminal code against AntiFa.
Here in Atlanta, the AntiFa did $20,000,000 damage to public property by setting fire to the police academy. The AntiFa blew up 4 police cars on 4 separate occasions by throwing home made bombs into the police cars. The Antifa torched 8 police motorcycles on another occasion. The Antifa shot and crtically injured a (Black – never mentioned) policeman when the police were herding them off the grounds. The AntiFa went to the homes of the officers of the company building the police academy and threatened their wives and children. The AntiFa tried to set fire to the corporate headquarters.
Neither the FBI nor the ATF (charged by law with the duty of investigating any bombing incident) did a damned thing.
65 of the AntiFa “activists” (called “progressives” and “environmental activists” by The Atlanta Journal Constitution) were indicted but all the indictments were done by the State Government. Not one indictment came at the federal level. The Soros funded District Attorney refused to prosecute because she said she had ideological sypathies which prevented her from doing so and, besides, she said, “I have better things to do.”
I applaud Comrade Johnson’s analysis in his statement and I marvel at how many of my friends there are who insist that our enemies are scrupulously moral people to whom we only need to make a moral argument, to ‘splain things to them.
No. As Comrade Johnson says, these people hate us. They want us DEAD. We cannot live with them.
Comrade Dickson
Mr. Dickson, I assure you, I’m not one of those under the impression we can reason with our enemies. The massive support I refer to are the mainstream conservatives who are refreshingly clear-sighted about AntiFa (I like your stylization).
The prescription: if we ever get the power, use the power, mercilessly, against not only the AntiFa, but also against any government employee, say, who would give, or ever has given, them safe harbor, even if the wielding of that power takes no other form than spirit-breaking savings-draining lawfair a la NYC-v-VDare.
I must have failed to express myself clearly. The thought that YOU were one of those who believe we can reason with our enemies has never entered my head. You are a hero…the kind of guy one would want next to him in the foxhole in battle.
Thank you, Mr. Dickson. And, to say the least, likewise. Although the failure was probably my own…scared as I am of being mistaken for a softy.
In Richmond, VA, antifa terrorists set fire to a building with a kid inside & then worked to block firefighters from accessing the burning building. Were they charged with attempted murder? Nope.
https://www.police1.com/george-floyd-protest/articles/va-police-chief-rioters-blocked-firefighters-from-burning-home-with-child-inside-OBxLwtKVzfgrFQmp/
Kim: One has to wonder at how it is that these AntiFa escape prosecution and punishment over all the country. It doesn’t seem to matter if they commit their crimes in red counties or blue ones.
I’ve followed ths for many years…from the early criminal acts of AntiFa against David Irving in his mmeetings, before the explosive growth of AntiFa in the last 9 or so years.
Sometimes, when AntiFa adherents commit crimes in conservative areas of the country where there’s maybe a Republican DA or there’s a lot of local anger, a DA or a police chief will make statements saying that such crimes will not be tolerated and that the forces of the law are going to see to it that the perps are punished.
But then, mysteriously, the DAs and the police chiefs stop talking.
Nothing happens.
No prosecutions.
How does this happen nationwide, regardless of local political leanings?
Why do the DAs and police chiefs go silent and the criminals get off scot free?
Some people might suggest that it is the Special People who bring such pressure.
While I’m aware that the Special People have power throughout the country and that public officials are scared of them and eager to do their bidding, I don’t think that a network from that “community” is really the critical factor.
I suspect that the mysterious protection comes from the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
I represented several long time cops when I was in active law practice.
They told me that the FBI was in the practice of conning local cops into doing the FBI’s dirty work, that the FBI would approach the local sheriff or police chief and request his agency’s “assistence” in things like illegal searches, wiretaps and so on.
They thought that the purpose of this was not only the obvious one of pulling off the illegal searches and wiretaps but also so that if things went awry, the FBI could put the blame on the lower level dupes AND – and here’s what I think is significant to our subject – the FBI could get leverage, i.e. blackmail, over local police agencies.
My best guess is that the mysterious and nationwide protection the AntiFa has enjoyed stem more from FBI intervention on their behalf than from lobbying by local members of the Special People and their “community.”
It seems pretty clear that the FBI has long been sweet on AntiFa and leftist goons. So the motivation to protect the AntiFa criminals so as to encourage their attackes on the kind of dissidents the System really hates (as opposed to the pretended concern about Communists).
Anyway, for what it’s worth, that’s my analysis.
Does anyone else have something to add or to contradict?
In reply to Mr. Dickson’s request, I’ll offer just two things.
A map of Soros-supported progressive prosecutors in the U.S.
& a photo of an unlimited Antifa debit card for bail $, etc.
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This is in reply to Sam Dickson
Mr Dickson Sir,
Very nice to find you here.
I wish you warm greeting from outside of Beautiful Chicago IL – “the Paris of the Midwest” (My mom’s city of Detroit used to proudly boast this name before… ‘1967 Black Communist criminal uprising – LDS MI Governor and Mittens Romney father George Romney accepted the Kerner Commission report that the riots, destruction of Detroit was “understandable acts of protest against Racism and injustice… this was not a good career move for George Romney, similar to his son Mittens Romney taking the knee for Saint NOT George Floyd, Fentanyl Floyd BLM anti mass riots, looting in Minneapolis 🙂
I have some suggestions in response to your comments about Antifa terrorists in Atlanta and elsewhere. Please take them as just suggestions take them for what they are worth:
# Make the conflict PERSONAL, Go Local and use effective Leftist tactics instead of same old, same old always losing Old Conservative tactics.
These Antifa terrorists, thugs, criminals, sexual degenerates, anti White street #*$&# are now active in all remaining, still majority White countries, White societies, White colleges/churches/institutions. That’s just reality. Our people are now FINALLY rising up pretty much everywhere including FINALLY London/Londonstan.
Sure, lend some encourage, moral and maybe financially support to our guys and gals now standing up/fighting Antifa, Trannies, Islamic grooming gangs in England, France, South Africa, Australia etc – but we really can’t do very much for their fight “Over there”. We live in North America, I live outside of Chicago, you live somewhere in the South somewhere near Atlanta.
I suggest you/we concentrate on our local areas where we are.
Starting making lists of local people who might, just conceivable MIGHT help us in this struggle against these Antifa terrorists, killers, sexual perverts etc.
We/I can get local lists of anyone who donated to President Trump’s presidential campaigns or going back, donated to David Duke and Pat Buchanan.
Sure, there are always elected officials, my experience is it’s better to start making introductions, contacts with their specific staff members, who are younger and haven’t sold their mind bodies and soul to the Devil, Children of the Devil (Js) etc.
Yes, most state and local Law Enforcements, DAs, judges are probably corrupt or at least cowardly and what to be successful like the Bushes, Cheneys, Romneys, Huckabee’s Cuckservatives , but… you/we never know when some local tough White guy like Rudy Giuliani, Philly police chief later mayor Frank Rizzo will step up or that toughest Sheriff in Arizona Sheriff Joe A – all those tough White guys were /are Italian Americans not WASP Yalie blue bloods.
Make the Conflict Personal
That’s IMO the most important rule from Saul Alinsky’s very practical Rules for Radicals.
These Antifa terrorists groups are made up of real flesh and blood people. Who are they? Where do they live? Hang out? Who funds them? Is it their parents? Where do their parents live, hang out etc.
There are at least 1001 things we/you can do to punish, bring changes to these specific real flesh and blood Antifa terrorists – many or even most are perfect legal and these are things I have done with good results. Let their neighbors know they are living next to Antifa terrorists.
You mention the Antifa bombing in Atlanta , bombing of a police training station that caused $20,000,000 in property damage and killed one Black police officer.
But, you make the same old same old American Conservative mistake of not making in personal – exactly WHO were/are these Antifa terrorist? Where are they now. Conservatives always seem to be content to complain about anonymous people in groups they don’t like “Antifa, Hollywood, the mainstream media, the Bankers or especially …..
The JEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEWS
Have anyone on our side ever taken it personally to really really bad Je*s like
Roman Polanski – he drugged and anally raped at least, AT LEAST one White gentile 13 year old girl and never spent a night in prison and has continued to direct movies and have them mass released and reviewed by his people. We could have caused trouble for him/them on opening nights or at the Cannes Film Festival.
Why not get the information , us a PI if necessary to find out exactly who what where with this Atlanta Antifa terrorists – then dox them, it doesn’t have to be you, there are bad as* Whites who will gladly dox for you/us.
I”ve been doxed and it sucks. I also doxed a couple of Chicago based “journalists” who were trying to alert Antifa, BLM criminals to attack officer Wilson in Ferguson MO over that White hate crime hoax “Hands up don’t Shoot”, more like “Pants of don’t look”.
My doxing worked, the “journalists” in question backed off and I think had to move.
Socialist Nationalist not conservatives were very effective in Germany 100 years ago, they actually came to power in large part by using effective Leftist tactics, propaganda etc – they were the Socialist Nationalist German’s Workers Party, not some lame economic Conservative, pro country club golfers, Constitutionalist party.
We could and should do the same now, only using American, Southern American culture, images, propaganda that reaches the heart and soul of our people , our working people, not country club golf playing Republicans, not Christian Zionists church types that go with the flow, go where the money is and have never been in a fist fight.
Guns are pretty much never effective in these kinds of conflicts…
But, pies in the face, water balloons filled with vile liquids, blasting loud Black gangster rap music, or Islamic prayers early in the morning to our LOCAL enemies and traitors. These work great.
Thank you sir, great to see you posting here. I hope to see you in person against soon at a TPC or other event.
Keep the faith for our kinfolk,
All is not lost.
Our people especially in the long dormant UK are rising.
J Ryan
TPC radio show
Occidental Dissent
Has the statute of limitations expired on those crimes?
If not, why isn’t Trump prosecuting the perpetrators?
That is a good point.
We have never been one country or nation. Even at the Founding we were 13 countries divided up into 3 regions- The South, Mid Atlantic, and New England regions with The West (now parts of the South and MidWest) coming soon there after. The regions had different ways of living, different religions, different customs. It was the tyrant Lincoln (cursed be his name) who destroyed the voluntary compact of the several states known as THESE United States and replaced it with the empire held together at gun point, THE United States. A damn shame New England didn’t secede in the early 1800s like they kept threatening to do.
I am strongly against the War of Northern Aggression, Mr. Lincoln’s messianism, and the Abolitionist John Brownish Northern rabble in general. I also lost an ancestor who died of starvation and smallpox in a Union PoW camp in Illinois during this war, and I’ll bet my story is not unique for people who actually settled this country and never owned any Negroes.
However, I disagree that we were never meant to be one Nation. I think our destiny was manifest to settle the continent “from sea to shining sea.”
That is exactly what Alexander Hamilton and James Madison envisioned when the new nation was reforged from a failed Confederacy. The nation was never meant to be a Confederacy, although Constitutional author Madison did make a good-faith effort to incorporate specific rights into the national charter to the States and to the People in the Bill of Rights, etc. to satisfy the concerns of the anti-Federalists.
And General Washington was certainly persuaded by Federalist arguments that the Articles of Confederation had failed ─ the new government had not even been able to float a budget ─ and he understood that the new Republic of 1789 would not be a Confederacy of any kind.
The venerable General was also respectful of the anti-Statist arguments of his fellow Virginian, Thomas Jefferson, although Marse Jefferson himself, who vastly expanded the nation’s territory as President, was hardly a provincial sectionalist, let alone a Confederate.
In modern times, many Conservatives have lionized Mr. Jefferson who was an agricultural romanticist who saw many problems with the Industrial Revolution.
Well, I would not take anything from him for that. I would, however, point out that both of the notorious plutocrats, the four-time President Franklin Delano Roosevelt and his Ashkenazi sidekick from Hyde Park, Henry Morgenthau, Jr. were unironic agricultural romanticists and “Jeffersonian Democrats.”
Treasury Secretary Morgenthau even wanted to turn defeated Germany into a literal potato patch with all of the Genocidal intent that this implies.
Treasury Secretary Hamilton ─ who had been born illegitimate on the British colony of Nevis in the Caribbean and had learned bookkeeping as a boy at a customs house before being sent by a Protestant clergyman to study at what are now called Princeton and Columbia Universities in America, where he became a Lawyer and a Lt. Colonel on General Washington’s personal staff. Hamilton was no admirer of slavery. He would have been appalled, had he been alive to see it, how the growing North was using his Tariff by the middle of the 19th century to wage sectarian economic warfare against the South over the issue of Slavery.
Treasury Secretary Hamilton’s intention was to create a stable U.S. financial system and to promote Nationalism and manufactures, not to launch bloody moral crusades.
I think the idea that we are “separate nations” is hugely overstated.
I come from Western Pioneer stock. The Pioneer Day holiday is celebrated on July 24th in Utah and Idaho. Even the Latter-Day Saint exiles in the Utah territories, who are today the most Anglo-Saxon demographic in the entire country, as they once focused their missionary work on England and NW Europe and not the entire world, acknowledged the sovereign authority of the often-hostile U.S. National government, and they abandoned theocracy early on. They even contributed a volunteer battalion to the Mexican-American War.
🙂
Well, we were much more of a nation when I was young in the 1980s than we are today. Back then we disagreed on the means but still seemed to have the same ends in mind. Not anymore…
Well said. Separation is the ONLY end. Here, I think, we all agree. So the question we are debating is…By what MEANS?
Great piece and review of the situation. Another sickening act.
And I have no time for these hot takes and irony jokes from our side about this stuff. It’s just retard cope.
The left isn’t sane. They aren’t reasonable. They aren’t attached to the same ideals, they are aren’t interested in the same kind of discourse. So if you’ve tried to engage with good will over the years, but your opponent isn’t reasonable, then it’s reasonable to stop treating them reasonably. You have to stop the damage at some point. And it’s going to need political will.
Thank you for this well written and well reasoned piece. Thank you for explaining that Charlie Kirk was himself on a voyage of discovery and awakening. He was not (yet) one of us, but he was very young. I was much older than he was before I got my head screwed on straight about racial issues and many other important issues. Give him some credit. He was so young. Until I was older than he, I was a “color blind” conservative too. (The operative word being “blind.”) Charlie was a genuinely kind, well meaning person. He was always calm and friendly and presented a positive cheerful demeanor. I think he was killed precisely because he was so effective. If they would kill him and applaud his death, WHAT WOULD THEY DO TO US? Sadly I think you’re 100% correct about the left. Theses people are monsters. God help us if they get back into power. Unfortunately, the GOP, as presently constituted, is largely worthless.
I am sick. Just sick.
Thanks, I appreciate that. I have long been tired of people in our ranks who excoriate people for holding the very same views they held only a few years before.
I’m in my 40’s. I didn’t realize there were any other options than normie conservative or leftist democrat until I was about 38. Kirk was only 31. Who knows who he would have become. But regardless of not being Our Guy, I don’t think anyone can argue he wasn’t sincere and was a genuine patriot.
From what I’ve observed of Kirk’s public college debates, & what I was reminded of in Devon Stack’s latest stream, I agree with him on this– Charlie’s role was to reach out to not-so-political normie students, & to corral them toward the GOP (with rehearsed, “if this, then this…” talking points.) He deliberately stayed positioned between the lefties & nationalists. He acted as a pressure value.
The progressives have been deliberately brainwashed into believing he was a supporter of serious tyranny. And this was evident when many immediately *cheered* out loud (?!) upon the announcement of his death. They honestly believed, he was not just an annoyance to them, but outright evil.
Excellent article, Mr. Johnson. And the links you provide are extremely helpful for possibly waking up even a few slightly rightward-leaning cuckservatives who might still cling to the idea that dialogue with these spiteful mutants is possible.
Thank you
I just watched Pinball Preparedness say the very same thing, and he is anything but a White Nationalist. That was heartening.
Probably because of the social media storm, even the MSM here in Germany are reporting on Kirk’s murder, of course with the usual leftist slant.
Excellent essay Greg, and what a tremendous suite of articles you put up today. It’s why Counter-Currents is the best-truly the site of record.
Thanks. It was truly a shocking sight, but the reaction was infinitely more evil because of what it bodes.
Don’t give the centrists any quarter on this. The Left is driving this, the center Right just retreats, and cowards and schemers throw sand in our eyes to prevent us from drawing the friend-enemy distinction.
The reactions have been…radicalizing.
This. Its a watershed moment. The right finally has a martyr. Flawed, young, zionist though he may have perhaps been. So what?
What would the Left do with this incident?
Would they navel gaze around the edges pf his “true leanings:? And thus muddy the waters?
Or would they accept the enemy’s own goal and utilize the propaganda it enables to its fullest?
Do you think C.K. really said the things he is claimed to have said, in the following:
https://jhvonline.com/charlie-kirk-conservative-activist-who-considered-himself-a-defender-of-je-p35360-164.htm (Jewish Herald-Voice).
Interesting headline, that he “considered himself a defender etc.” rather than “he WAS a defender”.
Good catch! Very slimey of them, AJAB (journalists, that is)
They found the rifle abandoned near the campus. Bring in a Tennessee hound dog and find his trail. Let’s reconvene after the cops catch this fvcker.
Both Kirk and beautiful young Irina Zarutska within three weeks of each other.
Be it peacefully or not, we need to divorce from the spiteful mutants, partition and re-assemble as a place where White people have a future.
And several more men and women who didn’t even make the news on “our side”, though all except Kirk were simply killed by random blacks in their violent animal urges. Kirk’s death felt much more sinister…
But yes. We don’t have to live like this. We must separate.
“If the Left are allowed to take power again “. Don’t you think it’s inevitable that they will?
It’s not inevitable. We can keep them out, if we unite against the Left. If the Democratic Party gets the Congress in 2026 and the Presidency in 2028, it will be worse for us than during the Biden regime. They want us dead. That is the lesson here.
Heh. Theoretically it’s not inevitable, but although not all hope is lost, when you look at the state of their opposition…
Yet the opposition is a lot better now than it was even a year ago. Project the current trend a couple years out. There’s reason for some hope.
We can all see the fake conservatives increasingly adopting our talking points, while at the same time refuting White racial identity politics, and at the same time promoting jew ethno-state Israel. They are adopting our talking points not because they want to, but because the snakes are backed into a corner and they feel they must. Charlie Kike will gatekeep for jew supremacists no more. Planet-wide bedlam is here, and it is going to get much worse. Prepare while you still can.
My trouble with this take is that it seems to depend on mindreading.
No one is going to talk or politically finesse their way out of what we all are going through Greg. Everything I stated here is factually true. Charlie was a gatekeeper for jews and Israel, as we all know, even if he was pivoting towards criticizing jewish power in America. and who would deny that planetary bedlam is on the rise? I am no mind reader, I make conclusions based on observable evidence, and I would respectfully ask that you make clear what exactly you consider to be paranoid. Remember, Paranoia is irrational fear that is demonstrably not connected to reality. And as for exhorting folks to prepare for hardship and challenge, well that’s just good sense.
Paranoia is believing the worst possible scenario without evidence. That’s what I am hearing from you.
To be entirely clear, my position is that based on everything that has transpired since WWII, we in fact should hope for (and work towards) the best, but be prepared for the worst. I think this to be prudent. I appreciate your consideration and response, and I hope this clarifies my position.
I was truly pained by Charlie’s assassination. To see such a talented, earnest young white man with a family killed in any context is tragic, even if his public opinions weren’t quite radical enough for us. He was a model of pre 1980 america. The left was shooting the old America when they shot him. That’s why they did it.
Me too. I didn’t even like the guy that much – though neither did I dislike him – but his assassination really bummed me out, much more than Iryna’s death even. Various people posted their takes on why his murder was so impactful to people, but none resonated with me. In short, I think it hit me because it underscored the impotence and lack of seriousness of the mainstream right. There won’t be justice. There won’t be vengeance. There won’t be a change in direction. There will just be the same decline, plodding inexorably along, holding to outdated legalisms and principles that no longer serve us… We don’t have to live like this, but we will. It’s a black-pilled take, I guess.
Maybe, like the proverbial butterfly flapping its wings, Kirk’s death will change history in ways we can’t see, maybe even in a good way, but it’s something of a hollow hope at the moment.
Some people are arguing that Kirk was a kosher con, he supported H1B visas, etc., but it’s important to remember that the shooter killed him for what he had in common with us, not for those things, which the shooter probably didn’t even understand to be wrong at all.
We don’t know yet who the shooter was or why he did it.
Right, I’m just guessing that he or “they” as it were, is not going to turn out to be super sophisticated.
This situation is so tragic that there are tweets from white centrists and conservatives calling Trump to declare martial law or libtards to be placed in internment camps. Joel Berry who is civnat and heavily influenced by James Lindsay literally said leftist have no place in this country and they need to be severely punished. This is the same guy who talking about how bad the woke right is and he is finally realizing that you cant negotiate with terrorists.
This is a huge loss. Kirk was doing some excellent work lately in introducing pro-White ideas to his audience, and his organization was unquestionably helping to connect young Whites who hold views to the Right of him to one another and enabling them to attain positions of power and influence in organized politics.
He was a very talented speaker and activist whose views were far, far better than almost any elected official. His work mattered, and, despite his very public disagreements with White Nationalists, was a net-positive for us.
If the Left is going to be prevented from repeating the outrages of 2020-24, figures like Charlie Kirk are necessary. He will be missed.
Well said.
Yes, good comment. I like how you concretize this loss: Kirk was definitely better ideologically than anyone in Congress, and he was also in a position to shift them in his direction. When viewed that way, this is a terrible setback.
Been shocked since yesterday. Like most of you here, I didn’t particularly follow his speeches or appearances, but he was a sane, good man who didn’t deserve to die. I’m heartbroken. I wish you strength in the coming days. This is a crime that should not be forgotten. Hope Trump acts quickly. Thank you for your wisdom and the piece, Greg.
Thanks so much. Eager for your next piece.
Thanks, Greg, for the great article. I read the article by Joel Davis. His summary also resonates with me.
Regardless of who killed Charlie Kirk and why, a key takeaway from this and many other high profile recent acts of violence against Whites and people associated with the political right, is that politics is war by other means.
For a long time many have deluded themselves into thinking that politics is just a big discussion where we debate ideas in the public square. This is false, it is an existential struggle to secure our way of life against threats and adversaries.
A politics of discussion is an illusion that prosperous and homogeneous Western liberal democracies were able to briefly manufacture in bygone decades, but the historically anomalous conditions that enabled it have been irreversibly undermined.
We are at war, at war with antiwhite leftists, non-white invaders, and Zionist forces trying to retain their parasitic and subversive grip on our political process. There is no “discussion” to be had with these forces, there is only a struggle for power, a struggle that you have no choice but to partake in whether you like it or not.
The reason why fascism and national socialism emerged and spread like wildfire across Europe in the 20s and 30s was not because the populations of Europe suddenly became “prejudiced” or “hateful” or some other cartoonish absurdity. It was because the radical left became increasingly organised and violent, and attempts by conservatives to simply “win the argument” against them were too pitiful and weak of a response.
So the people turned to the fighters of the radical right to protect them. And as this violence escalates, they will turn to them again.
Charlie Kirk was literally shot in the act of attempting a public “debate” – don’t let the significance of this be lost on you.
A suit and tie, friendly demeanour, establishment connections and openness to discussion with your political adversaries will not save you. The supposed constitutional safeguards of the liberal democratic state will not protect you. Conservatives have for decades attempted to play “fair” with their political opponents, to engage them in discussion, to extend to them values of free speech, tolerance, and so on. And they’re getting shot anyway.
Liberal democracy doesn’t work when your political adversaries refuse to compete in good faith. The only adequate response to militant adversaries is a militancy of our own. We can no longer tolerate sharing our countries and political process with our enemies, who have made it clear they want us dead. The only discussion left to be had is one with our own side – a discussion about how we need to radicalise, organise, take power and use the state to crush our enemies decisively to secure a future for our people.
Best comment of the day right here. The symbolism of a man being shot while attempting to debate ideas is unmistakable.
And on a college campus, no less!
Nailed it.
On another subject, I should add that today happens to be a historic occasion for Chile, a nation once beset by a pinko infestation. To commemorate, something from our old friend:
Jim Goad’s Karaoke Cavalcade: “Mi General Augusto Pinochet”
Another nice tribute for the sake of historical interest:
Kelthuz – Start up the Rotors
Did not expect to see Kelthuz mentioned by an American poster, how small the world is becoming…
Są doskonałe!
In tragedies such as this one, it’s important not to lose the view of the big picture. Those deranged cranks didn’t pop up from nowhere. They’ve been accommodated, supplied and supported by the elements of the “polite society” which either viscerally disdain or absolutely do not care for the lower strata of European societies. The entire system of radicalizing, recruiting and networking is allowed to function uninterrupted thanks to the largesse of upper class liberal progressives who promote and fund the watered-down images of this mutant insanity.
My condolences for the bereaved family of Mr Kirk. Hopefully, his death won’t come for naught and it will deal a good blow to the obsessive gate-keeping against racialism and anti-liberalism. The truth must be allowed to be spoken, the lunatics need to be named and institutionalized, the enablers must be punished and shunned.
Please distribute this article far and wide. Every conservative we know should have a link to it sitting in their inbox.
It’s Them or Us. There is no safe middle ground. The videos in the above article should be widely circulated. They show leftists celebrating the murder of Charlie Kirk, because he beat them in debate.
The Left cannot debate. They are incapable of refuting Kirk’s facts and arguments, as we can see on numerous YouTube videos. The Left are freaks. They are spiteful mutants. Many of them are Jews. They will celebrate the death of the White race, just as Jews now celebrate the genocide of the Palestinians.
They are ungrateful folks & losers who know at a very primal level that they will never, ever, have what it takes to compete or succeed, so their only hope for survival is death & destruction to everyone but them.
No, parasitism first and always. Have you ever seen a jew holding a hammer? I haven’t.
“… it became clear that Charlie Kirk was on the very journey that I thought he was trying to prevent others from taking …”
That’s why everyone who does not actively side with the political enemy should be given the benefit of the doubt rather than be branded an enemy agent for mere disagreement, like schizos regularly demand.
Political beliefs, especially of people on the younger side, are not set in stone but in flux or at least “thawable”. Plus, communicators like Charlie Kirk usually adapt to their audience resp. the Zeitgeist. Communicators aren’t deep thinkers, but rather a “joint” between thinkers and regular folks.
Addenda:
Very few people are principled, autistic or stubborn enough to not be dragged along by a shifting Zeitgeist, and they usually become extremists, not centrists. Most people’s political opinions are, in a general sense, “renegotiable” – contingent upon life trajectory, peers and outside developments.
Good points. To wit: Andrew Abglin (from his bunker in Nigeria or Zimbabwe or wherever) gleefully wrote yesterday on Charlie’s death by linking Charlie’s Zionist talking points from 2019…nothing more recent
Fact is, Charlie was still evolving. But on the front lines. More importantly, and to your point, he was able to navigate the territorial waters as a rightist in a leftist universe and STAY On the front lines.
Anglin exposes his cowardice by attacking him
Possibly the best and most important article of the year.
Awhile back Librarians at Arizona State University signed a petition against Charlie Kirk who had a TPUSA event with (((Dennis Praeger))) on campus because he was supposedly a White Supremacist.
I found that laughable because Praeger being a Libertarian ultra-Zionist Jew would probably never even be allowed into a WN meeting ─ but the important thing is that the First Amendment is about open and respectful debate, and that means not calling every idea that you don’t necessarily like “obscene” or Hate Speech.
The most disturbing thing there was that compared to Charlie Kirk, many academic Librarians do not even understand the First Amendment.
I’ve got most of my bills paid for this month, so I popped a little bit into the Counter-Currents Tip Jar. I hope that some of you all can join me with a buck or two. These are important times.
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This is creepy. I sent you a rather over-the-top email saying, watch out. But I meant it. Who is next?
I sincerely look forward to seeing you in office in a future multiparty democracy.
This was Victor Hansen Davis, or is it Davis Hansen. Well, the first straight white guy born in the 30s or 40s to use both names. In any case, this is his big bugbear today:
https://amgreatness.com/2025/09/11/the-four-horsemen-of-the-western-apocalypse/
These people are every bit or more dangerous than the leftists.
As for the on-campus footage, what a rabble that is. These are college educated young adults? It could just as well be interviews with people with GEDs getting on or off a shift at Arby’s. It is worse. Because these knuckle draggers are, “educated.”
Trump needs to take a torch to the university system. Not decimation, but a high precision welding torch and cut out vast swaths of the deep deep rot.
I had never heard of Charlie Kirk until yesterday; I won’t say it is a tragedy until I find out his wife, and child are white, if either one are non-white it is no loss. I hope you don’t think that race-traitor we have as a vice president is going to pick up where Trump leaves off. 🙃
Erika Lane Frantzve Kirk was born in upscale Scottsdale, Arizona in 1988 which is approximately 90 percent White, although it has a decent-sized Jewish contingent.
In the day, Fritz Berg and I went to low-key Mein Kampf readings at the Scottsdale Public Library and nobody complained. With “Drag Queen Story Hour” events common at many Public Libraries today, I am not sure if that is possible any longer.
Erika Kirk went to a private Catholic High School in Scottsdale, so I am guessing that the family has some dinero. She also went to ASU to study Political Science and International Relations, and got some Christian doctorate somewhere, and she became Miss Arizona in 2012.
She looks White to me (IMAGE).
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Rollong Stone tried to assassinate Scottsdale in a big feature article in, I believe, the early 90s. It was about a pro skateboarder and his out-of-control drug addiction and crime and his moll, a perfect blonde girl who woukd do anything for him, commit any crime. That mag loved smearing suburbanites. They did the same thing with Ricky Kasso in Suffolk County, Long Island. Kasso apparently was a seriously disturbed waste case, but they used his crimes to smear all of white suburbia. Another big hit piece was about the kids in Sparks (?), Nevada who killed themselves after listening to Judas Priest. That last one was a Village Voice article, I think, not RS, but it’s about the same.
Rolling Stone has always been like that. Two things stick out to me about that rag. The first one was the University of Virgina rape hoax. The second one was when General McCrystal let his guard down and started running his mouth to that reporter, especially about Obama. Someone in his chain of command didn’t bother to tell him that it was a leftist rag and the general walked right into a trap.
Yeah, most of the Liberal complaints about Suburbia boils down to what I call “the unbearable Whiteness of being.”
Another thing that annoys me is when Seattle hipsters (I was going to call them Sodomites) come to the “Valley of the Sun” and start complaining about a whole host of issues.
The first is WATER.
Yes, we live in a Desert. It might be a news flash but everything West of the 100th Meridian is Arid unless it is in the mountains or watered somehow. Idaho’s “famous potatoes” are watered by the Snake River Plain, plus canals and irrigation pipe.
In the Phoenix area, the housing, industry, agriculture is supported by dams on the Gila, Salt, Agua Fria, and Verde Rivers and it is substantial. This modern water infrastructure dates back at least to the Roosevelt Dam on the Salt River which was dedicated by Teddy Roosevelt in 1911.
Yes, if you drive your Cadillac through the desert, you will find that some water is diverted into canals from the Colorado River too. Horrors!
But the fact is that most of the water usage in Arizona is by AGRICULTURE and not by residences, industry, or golf courses. And it has always been that way.
The Phoenix metropolitan area has a population of over five million. Arizona has also led the way in water conservation, which has made the enormous growth possible ─ and so has Las Vegas, or Clark County where the majority of the people in Nevada live.
Arizona’s Maricopa County is geographically larger than the state of Massachusetts, or even much larger than the size of Connecticut and Rhode Island combined. MA is much larger in population than Maricopa County, but it is almost the same in population as CN and RI combined. The Phoenix metropolitan area is also much bigger in population than the Seattle metropolitan area.
The hipsters may have some points about the walkability of cities, which can always be improved, but the fact is that the heat does not keep the locals off the sidewalks ─ although most people don’t hike or do walks around Noon in the Summer when the temperature is 115 Fahrenheit (44 degrees Celsius).
Another bugaboo is CARS, the automobile. Yes, hipsters, we do have cars.
The state of Arizona tightly fits geographically into Italy. You are not going to make it here with a bicycle ─ and I used to commute to campus several miles each way, every day on a bike (the kind you pedal). You just can’t do that in Phoenix area traffic (as I found out the hard way when a junkie ran a light and slammed into me).
Anyway, the fact is that lots of these complaints are simply Liberals not happy about so many White people.
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“Maybe he should take some personal responsibility”
He can’t, he’s dead.
I’m going to laugh my arse off when we win and these people are sent to camps.
Good essay. It was a where were you when moment for me. Not because i liked or really ever listened to him tho
Wasn’t this one of the few real “where were you”-moments since 9-11? Which is odd, given that Kirk was murdered the day before the 24th anniversary of the 9-11 attacks. I’m sure a lot of conspiracy theorists will speculate about this timing; but even if deliberate the date doesn’t allow us to narrow down the culprit – Muslims, Zionists and Anti-American Leftists all could have chosen that date.
This just in:
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/jeff-charles/2025/09/11/ammunition-in-kirk-assassination-engraved-with-transgender-and-antifascist-ideology-n2663133
About what I expected.
Well, no wonder he’s dead, he was shot with an old German Mauser. The Germans are always great craftsmen—there’s no substitute for quality. 🙃
The day before Charlie Kirk was shot, leftist Hasan Piker called for the assassination of Nick Fuentes. He called for Haz Al Din of the American Communist Party to assassinate Fuentes. He also said that Nick’s ideology is the logical culmination of Charlie Kirk’s ideology, implying that he would be equally happy with violence against Kirk. Piker also said that America deserved 9/11. Also, a former guest on Piker’s show was arrested in Chicago yesterday for making terrorist threats.
After all this crap, it was shocking to see Politico give Piker an interview in which he is presented as the voice of reason and restraint in the aftermath of Charlie Kirk’s assassination. The hypocrisy is breathtaking.
Piker is the nephew of Cenk Uygur of the show “The Young Turks”. Uygur has been trying to rebrand himself as a facilitator of dialogue between the antiwar left and the antiwar right, all while his nephew is inciting violence against the antiwar right!
I strongly recommend that the antiwar right avoids Uygur like the plague from now on. The malice and insincerity Piker has displayed is truly unbelievable. How can his uncle be trusted?
I feel bad for disliking him as much as I did. But his opinions were exactly the same as mine when I was his age. You’re right. He was on a journey and he was progressing toward really being redpilled. Great article.
I’m not sure where he was back when Milo was a thing but I came to appreciate Kirk the same way I appreciated Milo. He was my starting point in the libertarian to alt-right pipeline. I eventually “outgrew” Milo and moved on to things like this site and American Renaissance. I eventually came across other names/sites including Kirk but I liked reading, especially commentary, and the political commentary on these sites are top notch.
I’m glad, Greg, that you see the forest from the trees. I too saw him as Conservatism Inc.’s gatekeeper but I have a new appreciation of what he did seeing that huge crowd he had. I think the move from left/libertarianism to, let’s use circa 2016 terminology, the alt-right needs to be a gradual process. I think people like Kirk offer that gradual transition to where you can have a soft landing once you come across ideas here. I think Kirk, at least as of late, was starting to really scratch the surface of the legitimacy of white identity politics.
Very well put Mr Johnson.
I personally regard Nick Fuentes as a cynical grifter that stirs drama and has a callous disregard for other people. But even him, with all his personality faults, and his long standing beef with Charlie Kirk, took the high road and mourned his death. Nick Fuentes had more reasons to hate him than anyone else, as Charlie Kirk was the gatekeeper that kept him locked out of the big tent. Which goes to show, if mainstream figures on the left are more petty than Nick Fuentes, what hope do we have for these people?
I do think right wing cancel culture will be effective if it gets off the ground, as distasteful as such behavior is. Nazi Germany operated off of cancel culture during the initial years. I think it was Bernard Russel who, when reflecting on the Nazi’s rise to power, talked about what absolute massive ballbags the intelligentsia were. He was disappointed that they offered basically no resistance and folded instantly. All the Nazis had to do was dangle the threat of losing their high status jobs in front of them.
If Trump moves to dismantle DEI and the leftist judiciary in a way that gives material benefit to the vocal supporters of such purges, people will definitely follow. People will clamor over one another to prove they’re the most dedicated and pure, and shift in that direction themselves. If you try to keep it high minded and on principles, and fall back into sterile claims of “meritocracy”, people won’t be motivated to help.
From PC Roberts’ column (at unz):
1,000 of the brainwashed Mormon students, or are they immigrant-invader DEI admissions, protested Kirk’s appearance. As the university stood up for free speech and intimidation failed, Kirk was murdered while he spoke.
I never knew that there was so much student disagreement with Kirk’s appearance at the university. Somehow I thought that Mormons were all natural, unreconstructed conservatives. You could of course see that there was at least some hostility with CK being permitted to speak, what with the kinds of questions he was asked.
But 1,000? I am not saying that there were 1,000 commies in the audience, but, still, somewhere along the line (petitions & letters, etc. ) 1,000 students took the trouble to let the U. know that the likes of Charlie were not welcome. They sure got their revenge over not getting their way. How are they going to react when some genuine threat comes down the pike, I wonder.
I think Paul Craig Roberts is a bit confused on his Utah Universities here. Utah Valley University, formerly known as Utah Tech, is probably the least Mormon four-year college in the state.
Although Utah Valley University is the largest four-year public college in the state, it surely has no more LDS members that the state as a whole, which is about 40 percent of the population.
Paul Craig Roberts is obviously confusing UVU in Orem, having an enrollment of about 47 thousand, with Brigham Young University, a private LDS school in Provo with an enrollment of about 36 thousand, nearly all of them Mormons.
The two campuses are four miles apart as the crow flies. BYU has fairly-selective admissions standards, though nothing compared to Harvard, and of course tuition is higher there than at UVU since it is a private University owned by the LDS church.
UVA is about 2/3 rds “affluent” according to Wikipedia ─ and 77 percent White, with 13 percent Hispanics and 1 percent each of Blacks, Asians, and Hawaiians. If there are any Libtards in Utah attending a four-year college, they are probably at UVU.
Paul Craig Roberts, who once worked as an aid for the late LDS Senator Orrin Hatch (R-UT) mentions in the Unz Review article that the University of Utah in Salt Lake City is representative of Mormon values. Well, not exactly. UofU is a public school, the campus where all of the blue-haired Feminist professionals got their law degrees.
I was involved in the jury selection for a trial in Salt Lake City once and we tried to get UofU educated professional women, not necessarily the blue-haired freaks, onto the jury because we believed that they might be a little more tolerant of “swingers” in an attempted rape case than your typical stodgy Mormon might be.
This analysis was correct, but we found that the older LDS matriarchs were surprisingly open-minded and saw right through the bullshït coding of she-said stories. We found that the most likely to believe “tall harlot tales” were the nerdy Conservative Males of any faith.
The other major University in Utah is Utah State in Logan. My Dad graduated from BYU and then got his advanced degree in Mathematics & Statistics from Utah State in Logan before being hired to work on the Minuteman Missile. My Mom went to LDS Business College in Salt Lake City before transferring to BYU to get her “Mrs. Degree.” She found that not a lot of boys went to secretarial school.
She met my Dad on one of those Serial Killer message boards where you sign up with a student stranger to ride home for the holidays and share gasoline expenses. My Mom’s mother was a registered nurse living in Salt Lake City and my Dad’s mother lived in Ogden.
I graduated from both Idaho State University and BYU-Idaho but I am not a Mormon or even a Christian, and I find it amusing if Paul Craig Roberts thinks that Mormon students are any more “brainwashed” than students at any other University campus.
I would say that most LDS are at least somewhat partial to Charlie Kirk’s ideas; he was a Conservative Evangelical. Some people on the Internet are calling Kirk a “Christian apologist,” but I don’t know what that means.
Some Evangelicals have an extremely narrow definition of what it means to be a Christian, so they don’t believe that some denominations are Christian, but this is just batshït Christcuckholdry. The name “the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints” is the name of the LDS Church, which is why they are not partial to the nickname Mormon (after the Book of Mormon) any longer.
Some of the Online buzz is that Charlie Kirk was assassinated by Mormons because he was an Evangelical.
Well, no, if anything, the LDS were more likely to agree with Kirk’s Conservative and Christian beliefs.
They released a picture of the shooter caught on CCTV. He looks like a typical Portland AntiFa punk to me. He probably sees himself as the John Brown of Troons.
In any case, I noticed that UVU has an “LGBTQ+ Intercultural Engagement” office near where Charlie Kirk was shot. I can guarantee that BYU does not have anything like that, LOL.
There has been some talk that the students protesting Charlie Kirk on campus look scruffy. Remember that BYU has a strict dress and honor code while UVU does not.
However, my guess is that your typical UVU student has affluent parents and is not too scruffy looking. Charlie Kirk was not a former President and the campus security was minimal, so anyone could just walk onto campus for this event. And as Lee Harvey Oswald showed, it is not that hard to conceal a rifle.
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Thanks, Scott. There is much info in your lengthy comment I had no clue about. Like some other folks, I assumed that Utah = majority Mormon = religious = conservative & well-behaved, etc. LOL. Live & learn. Last contact I ever had with Mormons was when two conservatively-dressed young men showed up at my place with religious material, including a film, and tried to convert me. They tried this twice. I still don’t know if Mormons are Christian or not, it’s all kind of hazy.
Re PC Roberts’ essay, one statement he made stood out:
Why didn’t the audience apprehend the murderer? Instead, they ran away.
I hope that PC isn’t going barmy; the above is beyond strange.
Mormons say they’re Christians but most Christians say they’re not, and to me that means they’re not, since a group decides who belongs. But there’s no central authority over all Christianity, so who can say? Mormons believe some weird things, like how God used to be a flesh-and-blood man on some other planet who eventually ascended to godhood, and that if you do the right Mormon rituals and live well then you can become a god too and rule over a planet of your own…
As for the shooter, he was on a roof 180 or 200 yards away, so the students likely didn’t see him.
I would not say “most Christians” say that Mormons are not Christians.
It is only one strain of Bible Belt Evangelicals that say this, because the LDS think that the Nicene Creed involved apostasy and that “the fullness of the Gospel had to be restored in the Latter Days.” Not everybody defines Christianity in exactly this way, however.
Who gets to define “Orthodox” Christianity anyway? Christians are hardly monolithic.
An offshoot of Mormonism called the Reorganized LDS Church, now called the Community of Christ, much smaller than the predominant Mormonism that followed Brigham Young to Utah, has been accepted by mainline Protestants as a Christian denomination because they have a more orthodox conception of the Trinity. However, you might be surprised that the RLDS or CoC, like the vastly larger mainstream LDS, also use the Book of Mormon as one of their key Scriptures.
The Roman Church has usually had good relations with Mormons, even though the latter spring directly from the icky Protestant “2nd Great Awakening” of the early 19th century in the USA that brought weird stuff to the fore like the growth of Methodism, Baptists, Seventh-Day Adventists, etc.
Protestants are by definition apostates to the Roman Catholic Church. And what about the Eastern Orthodox ─ are they even more Christian than the Latin Rite Church? Millions of White lives and blood has been spilled over such sectarian questions.
Saint Thomas More (canonized in 1935 some 400 years after his famous execution) himself had many of them mouthy Lollards burned at the stake whilst the enforcer for his English King, who was once the Defender of the Faith.
And it was only after the Pope and the Tudor King disagreed on the Royal Divorce when “the man for all seasons” balked and had to be beheaded for being “the good King’s humble servant but God’s first,” so then the church reformers took the Anglican Church in quite another direction from Popery.
It kinda let the cat out of the bag when they started publishing the Holy Bible in languages that lay people actually spoke.
This was all at about the same time that the German barons were sick to death of Rome with its simony and opulence and so extended some political protection to a wayward monk with some 95 heretical theses nailed to some door. There is a reason why Germans today speak the Saxon German of Martin Luther.
The Pope cannot enforce the Death Penalty for heretics any longer. And Christianity now has many denominations. Deal with it.
Mormonism is not any more out there than any of the other religious stuff.
In any case, I tend to think that if people say they follow “the Savior Jesus Christ,” then one might as well take them at their word. It is all make-believe to me.
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I don’t think anybody saw the egress of the UVU shooter. Some students with a cellphone camera might have seen some guy lurking on the roof, but this event wasn’t the President speaking either.
The local cops seem to have arrested a couple of people early on after the shooting but soon dismissed them as suspects. I saw the video of one old guy with a .22 caliber rifle in his car being arrested, and all the TRS guys were saying, “Ha Ha, it was a dumb Boomer.” Well, it was obviously a high-powered rifle and not a .22 caliber and likely AntiFa.
I don’t think this was much of a professional hit however. Any competent deer hunter should have been able to make this shot ─ or get lucky.
I think the shooter did have a good getaway planned ─ unlike Lee Harvey Oswald who was half surprised that he could just walk away in the chaos.
But LHO was noticed as missing from work when they did a headcount shortly after the JFK shooting, so a BOLO went out for somebody with his description. Officer Tippet found LHO suspiciously speed-walking through the Oak Cliff neighborhood in Dallas, two-miles from Dealy Plaza, probably on the way to a bus stop after taking a short cab ride, and hoping to high-tail it for the Mexican border. Oswald had about $13 and change in his pocket when captured at the Texas Theater shortly after fatally shooting Officer Tippit four times.
Charlie Kirk may have been a Zionist shill but he might have been coming along to the light ─ and in any case the Left viscerally hated him, which counts for a lot.
In any case, I don’t see the TRS guys doing events at college campuses anymore. When Jared Taylor came to ASU to speak in 2022, there was just enough campus security provided to keep noisy BLM Negroes in line, but nothing that would stop a determined assassin of course.
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Thank you for writing a statement in response to this situation, Greg. I haven’t bothered to watch the President’s statement but I appreciate yours.
This whole tragedy is the epitome of the arm-wrestling metaphor for the untenability of “might equals right” as a philosophical position. The left knew that they couldn’t prevail in an honest debate, even against someone relatively mainstream like Kirk, so (assuming that the killer was indeed a leftist, which is likely) they killed him instead.
This tells me a few things:
Metapolitics is working, and it’s scaring the left. Charlie Kirk was a rising star in mainstream conservatism, growing more and more redpilled as folks here have mentioned, and on top of all that he was young. Targeting someone with his audience, close ties to the president, and optics was done both to eliminate him and to discourage other potential public-facing activists from pursuing a similar path. This, along with other things like the recent yearning for a “leftist Joe Rogan” and a long-standing censorious attitude towards “hate speech”, shows that the left clearly views metapolitical action as a prime threat, and for good reason.
While it has grown incompetent for want of a serious challenge to its power, the left has also increasingly become desperate and foolish. On the one hand, they can’t compete in the marketplace of ideas and come up with a coherent program for the nation’s future because of their rabid hatred for that very nation. On the other hand, this operative of theirs didn’t understand one very simple historical rule: never create a martyr.
So where does this leave us? We need to be emboldened by this terrible crime, not demoralized by it. While Charlie’s superfans and supporters hold candlelight vigils and battle lines are drawn, we should recognize the importance of this moment for our cause and take full advantage of it so that the death of this young white father and brilliant propagandist won’t be in vain.
Thanks, this is a great comment.
I had lots of thoughts after Kirk’s death was confirmed. But none of them were to slow down and play it safe. This is a sign that the enemy are scared. We need to double down.
I do agree with what is said in this text. That murder is not only a villainous crime, it’s a moral fault and, especially, the admission of the ideological powerlessness of the Left.
Re: “Document these people’s statements with screenshots so they can’t delete them later. Then find their employers and demand that they be fired.”
They shouldn’t be working directly with the public; that’s for certain. Perhaps their boss can switch them to a different position– stuffing envelopes, sweeping floors, etc.
Otherwise, we taxpayers get to support them w/ unemployment benefits while they have more time to plot evil activity.
I’ll never forget a liberal nurse who casually mentioned on twitter that she would lie to any pregnant mom she knew was a Trump supporter, & would give them advice that she knew would be harmful to their baby in utero. She was actually fired, thank goodness.
archive.today >> screenshots, if you want immutable proof of their cvnty behavior.
Archive everything.
There is a repugnant LLM well-poisoning tactic going on that I learned from @adamscrabble on X:
https://archive.ph/qxzBJ
NYT’s initial headline was as partisan and incendiary as you’d expect. It was then promptly redacted and replaced with something blander, but the former remains on record for posterity.
While Trump likely sits on his hands and Kash Clouseau gets his one functioning eye on the case, I hope DeAnna gets his unmissable pitch-perfect CK IdPol tribute uploaded onto rumble pronto!
“I’ll never forget a liberal nurse who casually mentioned on twitter that she would lie to any pregnant mom she knew was a Trump supporter, & would give them advice that she knew would be harmful to their baby in utero.”
That’s horrible…
These leftist pukes are disgusting. They’re lower than whale shit.
The Weather Underground radicals were the avant-garde of vile, scummy, degenerate Leftism. Some time in the mid-1970s they had a “war conference” where they floated the idea of killing all White babies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZVbrvfAn_Q
Mattoids are a danger to society.
Indeed, I’ve heard about that stunt. Such wonderful people:
The Stories Of Two Domestic Terrorist Groups That Were Dropped In The Memory Hole
Some of them are professors now. Sweet! One of the Weathermen is buddy-buddy with Obama.
Kim,
I think that you are on to something. Things like this should be documented. That nurse needs to be prevented from ever working in the medical field in any capacity.
Filth like that need a hangman’s noose on Main Street.
Charlie Kirk was just a name tome that kept popping up on my in feed and which I always meant to follow up on. What struck me on your excellent obituary was the quality of the people interviewed. The Russians and or the Chinese must be quaking in their boots at the thought of the current war going hot
I have seen some articles on Substack which claims that Charlie Kirk embodied the “Spirit of Russia” and the assassin those of Ukraine.
Don’t fall for this.
Also – don’t get so spin up about this you go off a cliff like so many of us did after 9-11. Now is the time for careful thinking, not actions taken in anger.
Here in the UK, the left have been crowing about Charlie Kirk’s death; that’s one of the reasons I’m travelling down from Yorkshire to London this Saturday to support Tommy Robinson’s mass “Stop The Boats” demonstration – not that I’m a great fan of Robinson’s but at the moment he’s providing an energizing effect at practical ground-level. Obviously the spiteful mutants of the left will hold some sort of counter protest though it looks as though they will be heavily outnumbered.
Wednesday 10th of September 2025 was truly a black day for freedom-loving White Americans, but I remain optimistic for the long-term future of our people on both sides of the Atlantic and across the rest of the world. I’ve got a feeling that the rest of this decade will see things really heating up as more and more of our people awaken; everywhere I go, I hear ordinary White people discussing the immigration crisis – it’s the main topic of conversation. We have to maintain the momentum.
Anyway, All The Very Best!
Several of our guys have warned against going to that massive protest and anything by Tommy Yappy Lennon.
You are correct. It will be nothing more than a staged photo-0p for the Zionist fake right. The people attending will be ignorant, frightened and angry, but well-meaning desperate people who are being used by lying criminal punk Stephen Yaxley-Lennon and his jew supremacist paymasters. I hope that not too many of those attending are hurt in some way, and wake up and graduate to White Nationalism.
“You are correct. It will be nothing more than a staged photo-0p for the Zionist fake right.”
I’ll trade my plastic stahlhelm for your you tin foil hat. A million people turned out to stop the boats on Saturday. Victory! Have you seen the Socialist Worker’s Party website? They are truly frightened
We will not live with antiwhites. Whether we want to or not this will not happen. Iryna Zarutska could not have tried any harder to mind her own business, to be passive and harmless, to live and let live, but she does not live. This is how it is.
We pro-Whites will save ourselves, which means we will not live with antiwhites, or they will kill us, which means we will not live with antiwhites.
There is not a third option.
We Whites have heard about all sorts of things we should think about other than our racial survival. (Non-Whites and antiwhites are under no such obligation to stop thinking about race.) Jesus, the Constitution, individual liberty, capitalism, and many more ideals are paraded before us as things we White should focus on instead of trying to survive.
This is hypocrisy and the point is to distract us so that those who intend to kill us will succeed.
We should ignore the distractions, focus on race, and accept the reality. We will not live with antiwhites. One way or the other this will not happen. Everything we plan for the long run must take this reality into account.
I can’t really add anything to what’s been said here. We are at war with disgusting goblin people, and this was yet another seminal moment in that war.
But I do want to comment on Andrew Anglin. I’ve largely tuned his crap website out. 4-5 years ago, I would defend some of his odd ramblings, because he would also make interesting points and commentary. I didn’t always agree with his takes, I just assumed he was a fellow traveler who suffered from some mental health issues and like to use shock journalism to advance our collective interests.
He has proven himself to be a spineless invertebrate with this Charlie Kirk thing. I don’t expect “thoughts and prayers” commentary from him. However, I know that if he truly believed in our cause, he’d be seizing on this moment to advance it. Instead he mocks Kirk. Because “Jews”. Always because “Jews”. Every breath that man takes is animated by antisemitism. Antisemitism is a funny motivator. When it’s your only motivator, it can used to manipulate you, because literally anything and everything can be used to blame Jews, to the point that even the things working in your own interest become suspect, and you find yourself cheering along with the people who you’re supposed to be rooting against.
F$k Anglin
His site has been shit for a while now, but I peeked in today to see his take and I wasn’t surprised. As if I needed one more reason to stop going there, today was it.
The battle lines have been drawn. It a zionist youngster with no de jure political power can be eliminated by TPTB (assuming it wasnt a “lone gunman”) just bc (((they))) are afraid of his long reach, then even cow-towing “conservatives” who still shill for Israel must take notice that mouthing zionisms is no longer a “get out of jail free” card….so toe to the line,。mr goy congressman, or face Charlie’s fate
“….so toe to the line,。mr goy congressman, or face Charlie’s fate”
They have already made their choice.
In 2017 White leftists James T. Hodgkinson visited the annual Congressional baseball game and attempted a massacre of Republicans in which he did manage to shoot four people including House Majority Whip Steve Scalise. After that, men of spirit would have pushed back with mighty force, but the Republicans became, if anything, even more servile to antiwhites and leftist-defined “good causes,” more treacherous to White people and conservatives, and more obstructive to any resistance to the left, which always came from outside the elected and entrenched Republican Party establishment, not from within it.
There are men who respond to threats and violence with spirit and combativeness, and there are those who are like dogs that, when beaten, whimper and cower even more.
Although never a fan of Charlie Kirk, I am in 100% solidarity with those above who express shock, a deep sense of outrage and loss, and a renewed resolve in the face of an enemy that will stop at nothing, including killing us. Mr. Charlie Kirk is our guy, now!
I feel it’s important to remember that, while Charlie Kirk may not have been the type to post on Counter-Currents, he was still doing an immense amount of good. His respectful and friendly demeanor helped many young people, including some Leftists, question their assumptions.
This was especially true for those stuck in trans echo chambers.
This is the main reason why many trans activists hated him. The operator of the X account that is screenshotted in the article, Gretchen Felker-Martin, is a male-to-female transgender. I could post countless similar cases. He was Villain #2 in their eyes (with Trump being #1).
…And so far the only evidence we have of the shooter’s motive are internal reports which claim the shooter was an advocate of trans and Antifa ideology.
Many trans activists deeply resented Kirk for his ability to react compassionately while still advocating the need for non-medical therapy. He was patient and respectful when debating trans people, especially when he dealt with FTMs:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DOeiFkQiUYd/
I really can’t describe how much this triggered certain people (whose ideology relies upon portraying the Right as hateful) and how helpful it was for those who were on the border of detransitioning.
There has been a clear uptick in violent rhetoric from the pro-trans side over the last 2 years. They’ve even started using the phrase “death before detransition” and sharing it with conspiracies about starting some sort of neo-Bolshevik revolution. Shirts like this one are being made:
https://f4.bcbits.com/img/0029735808_10.jpg
That particular slogan was originally a threat to end one’s life rather than detransition, but now it’s often used in a militant way.
Most WNs have no experience with the trans movement and underestimate how much it now overlaps with Antifa. It’s morphing into an increasingly neo-Bolshevik movement. The trans shooter in Minneapolis was writing his diary out in Cyrillic for a reason. They love Lenin and Bolshevism. Many of them think political assassinations are a good idea. They’ve also begun attacking and harassing detransitioners and desisters.
I doubt this is going to stop with Kirk. These people are spiraling badly and, to be honest, there seems to be some sort of foreign “web brigade” operation trying to weaponize them. There are whole squads of Reddit accounts that are 1 year old with 100K karma (making posts every 30 minutes) that post in all the trans subs and promote violent and mentally ill rhetoric. The same happens on Instagram. These accounts often make odd grammatical mistakes common to non-English speakers, while claiming to be Americans. It’s quite likely, imo, that a foreign government is interfering in America’s culture wars and has realized that – due to a whole host of reasons – trans activists are an easy tool to use.
This doesn’t mean they shooter was trans, I’m just saying that based off the reports and what I have seen that it would make sense.
They’ve identified the shooter as a 22 year old student at the university there in Utah. Name is Tyler Robison. He’s definitely not outwardly “transitioning”, (I don’t like that word because it implies a change in gender is actually “real” and not superficial)….and is certainly a biological male. It is unclear what his politics are, but I imagine it’s possible that he has feelings about his gender identity even if he hasn’t acted upon them. Or maybe he has a close family member or friend.
His own parents turned him in, and it turns out his father is in law enforcement.
Here is my suspicion. I think he’s been caught in online echo chambers about Israel (be it Zionist or anti- Zionist). Being in Utah, it seems likely that the assassin has some religious beliefs, and I don’t think it would be a shock for them to be Mormon beliefs. Are the Mormons pro-Zionist? I don’t really know. But it is possible in my mind that Charlie Kirk’s prior zeal toward Israel juxtaposed with a tepid retreat from those prior beliefs and willingness to question Israel’s tactics…I can see how the assassin could have been motivated in either direction.
They’ve identified the shooter as a 22 year old student at the university there in Utah. Name is Tyler Robison. He’s definitely not outwardly “transitioning”, (I don’t like that word because it implies a change in gender is actually “real” and not superficial)….and is certainly a biological male. It is unclear what his politics are, but I imagine it’s possible that he has feelings about his gender identity even if he hasn’t acted upon them. Or maybe he has a close family member or friend.
I agree that he doesn’t look like he had any surgeries, but he did have (possible) trans references written on his bullets. One was an OwO joke, which is common in those circles (the media is playing up the “OwO furry connection,” but both UwU and OwO are commonly used by trans types):
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2025/09/12/what-we-know-charlie-kirk-shooting-suspect/86091474007/
Imo, it’s hard to know exactly what was going on with Tyler Robinson, but I’ve noticed that there’s been a big shift in trans spaces over the last few years. The movement has started to overlap heavily with Antifa. I am not saying that I’m sure Robinson was trans, but I think that there is going to be more violence from that side and the mainstream media will downplay it.
Are the Mormons pro-Zionist? I don’t really know.
There are many Mormons who hold pro-Israel views, but their sentiments are often a bit different than what you see among Evangelicals. In a Mormon patriarchal blessing (which is a big part of the church) you will get told what tribe of Israel you have been adopted into. They also believe that Old Testament Jews, known as Nephites, traveled to North America. But they don’t necessarily see Jews as holier than them / magical in the way that some evangelicals do. A lot of Mormon art portrays Nephites as White. Some people think Joseph Smith was influenced by British Israelitism.
Good points. I never once heard a conference talk or even sacrament meeting talk or EQ lesson promote or discuss Israeli Zionism. To the extent that many individual members are pro-Zionism, I think it’s because they watch Fox News religiously. Also, what even is LDS doctrine in 2025? The doctrine keeps changing every few decades. It feels like a completely different church than it was a few decades ago. As far as leaders’ attitudes about Jews go, I know that J Reuben Clark, a church leader in the 30s and whom the BYU Law School is named after, is on record talking about his dislike for Jews. So there is a push to cancel him and rename the law school, if they haven’t already done it. Also, a few years ago a holocaust survivor was invited to speak at our local ward to talk about hate or antisemitism or whatever. But really I think the church wants to avoid any hot political issues. Leaders today are timid, and official statements are nothing more than weak, worthless, antiseptic corporate speak with Christian buzzwords thrown in.
In my view the Mormons are not especially pro-Zionist, although the CIA and FBI recruits from places like BYU because the LDS don’t drink or smoke weed and can easily pass security clearances. My Dad, who was an aerospace and nuclear reliability engineer, had a DOE Q security clearance, and the FBI actually interviewed some of his gradeschool teachers. I also had a Secret/Top Secret security clearance when I was in the U.S. Army Signal Corps and handled cryptographic keylists, but I don’t know for sure if the FBI interviewed my gradeschool teachers since we moved around a lot as a kid and I never stayed in touch with them.
Anyway, I do recall that during the Arab Oil Embargo, which was prompted by the U.S. nominally assisting Israel during the Yom Kippur War in October of 1973, I was surprised at how much understanding was given by LDS church members for the Palestinians ─ and this in spite of some savage terrorism from them such as at the Munich Olympics in 1972.
The Mormons do use the word “Zion” from the Bible, but it does not mean the same thing. So for example, in places like Utah and Idaho you might see business chains that were founded by Brigham Young like Zion’s Bank or ZCMI, which was a former Utah department store chain called “Zion’s Co-operative Mercantile Institution.” But it has nothing to do with Jews or modern Israel or with Zionism as conceived by people like Theodor Herzl.
In fact, the Utah Territory (statehood was not until 1896) profited handsomely by being a waypoint on the Transcontinental Railroad, which was completed near Ogden in 1869.
Las Vegas, Nevada was also founded by Mormons as a waypoint between Salt Lake City and Los Angeles, but it didn’t really grow until the Hoover Dam brought cheap electrical power, neon signs, and air conditioning in the 1930s.
I started school in Las Vegas in 1966 because my Dad was working as an engineer for the firm E.G.&G. with the nearby atomic test site, and the town was nearly 100 percent White and low crime then, other than perhaps from some Jewish gangsters like Bugsy Siegel.
Since COVID, the Las Vegas hotels and casino chains are massively gouging people, and Libtards are blaming Trump for the catastrophic loss of tourism.
When the Mormon Pioneers settled Utah in the 1840s, the Great Salt Lake was deemed analogous to the Dead Sea, and there was a small river that flowed from the mountains North to the Great Salt Lake called the Jordan River, and a borough near SLC is named Jordan.
Practically all of the population of the state of Utah is along the Wasatch Front, the urban corridor nestled at the Western foot of the Wasatch mountain range running North from Spanish Fork to Tremonton, at the Idaho border.
Provo, Salt Lake City, Ogden, and Brigham City are the largest cities along the Wasatch Front, but really it is just one urban area along the route of Interstate 15. I was born in Salt Lake City because my Mother’s mother was a Registered Nurse at the Catholic hospital near the University of Utah.
Tyler Robinson seems to have gone to High School in the touristy St. George area not far from Las Vegas, Nevada, and he had attended a semester at Utah State University in Logan, which is up North near the Idaho border.
Robinson may have been raised Mormon, but he did not go on an LDS mission (age 19-21) which is a major faux pas for devout LDS.
All indications are that Robinson is a Libtard and AntiFa idiot and probably very similar in mentality to Thomas Crooks, who shot Trump in 2024 at Butler, PA. The news says that Robinson scored very high on the college ACT test and did not vote in the 2024 election and had never registered for a political party.
Anyway, I hope people are not finding all this too boring.
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Small world. I was in the Signal Corp too and handled comsec for SINCGARS
I saw a video by Anthony Cumia that a lot of people are choosing to not go to Vegas. Just lots of old riders with oxygen tanks at the slots. He played a video of a guy poolside there-a mixed drink is $40 and a 24-pack of coors light is $290?? Who the hell would pay that? Also, what areas in Utah today are White enough to be worth living in, employment opportunities aside? I’ve been to SLC once and very much liked it but is probably paradise considering where I am from (NYC).
I looked up the price of a 24 or 30 12-ounce can case of Coors Light at the Walmart in the Paradise neighborhood near the Las Vegas airport and it costs about 20 bucks. The cost of the same thing in the Walgreens next to me in metropolitan Phoenix, Arizona was 19 bucks. Yeah, you don’t want to buy anything on the Vegas Strip.
Vegas is fine if you like the climate or visit for a conference or something like a special event. I saw the “Star Trek Experience” in 1998 and the room at the Hilton, which was practically a suite, only cost about 60 dollars. The buffet downstairs was excellent and only cost about 15 dollars. The DS9 restaurant at the STE was nice too, and I enjoyed the Cardassian calamari and the friendly Bajoran waitresses. There were lot of servile Ferengi who were quite popular with kids.
Business conventions or trade shows are not bad but the price gouging after COVID is going to kill the golden goose.
What I don’t like about Las Vegas is the traffic, the burgeoning smog and homelessness, the crime with a high number of Blacks and Latinos now living there, etc. But maybe the slump will reduce the cars and the number of people living there. Casino workers can’t pay rent and living expenses anymore, but if they leave, then the real estate market might improve for people like retirees.
St. George, UT is probably better for most people. The climate is mild year-round but it is a little touristy, right off of I-15. The population of Washington County, Utah (where the Charlie Kirk shooter was from) is only about 180 thousand, and I don’t think the cost of living is too high, other than perhaps for real estate. There are some decent smaller colleges too, like Dixie Technical School where the Kirk shooter was studying.
To answer your question:
“What areas in Utah today are White enough to be worth living in, employment opportunities aside?”
Pretty much everywhere. No county has more than 1 percent Blacks, which is probably “Peak Negro” or critical mass. Jews are less than 1 percent too. The Muslim population is rising fast, just over 1 percent.
The graphic below shows the Whitest counties in Utah.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah#/media/File:Utah_counties_by_race.svg
The Whiter the county the darker the red in the graphic, and no county is less than 50-60 percent White (talking about you, Salt Lake County).
The green area on the lower right side that is majority Indian is misleading because it has such a small population. San Juan County is very large but only has about 14.5 thousand people. Monticello, its county seat, only has a population of about two-thousand, and it looks pretty White to me.
My Grandmother’s home town is Moab, which is the county seat of Grand County after the “Grand” River, now called the Colorado River. Moab has a population of about 10 thousand and relatively mild Winters, but in the Summer it is way too touristy for me. Her family used to mine Uranium near there but they never got rich.
Overall the state is about 75 percent White non-Hispanic and about 15 percent Hispanic of any race. The entire state has a population of about 3.5 million, but most of that is along I-15 and especially along the Wasatch Front near Salt Lake.
Really, there are only six counties in the whole state that have more than 100 thousand people. The most populous are Salt Lake County with about 1.2 million people and Utah County (where the Kirk shooting happened) with about 660 thousand people.
I never really interacted with Blacks while growing up, but at one time they concentrated around the railyards in Ogden and the Army Defense Depot, and Hill Air Force Base. This became a real scandal in 1974 when a few Negro airmen raped, brutally tortured and killed some White folks in a Hi-Fi shop in Ogden (LINK). Two of the melanated perpetrators were eventually put to death ─ to the howls of Jews over raycissm, and Catholics over the Death Penalty. But this crime became a major optics scandal for the Air Force. Today you very rarely see a jungle bunny in the state, but there is an influx of Hispanics.
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I decided to check the TRS sphere’s reaction. Off course Mike Enoch, Eric Striker, the TRS dittoheads, and Moriakiu were mocking Charlie Kirk and spitting on his grave. Low class scum.
Yeah, I agree. I re-upped my annual TRS subscription because I like that they give Germar Rudolf a voice and do some occasional “Holocaust Denials,” plus I like the TRS guys, but this is dumb.
Charlie Kirk might have been a Zionist shill as an Evangelical Christian, but I do think that he was coming along on the journey.
And the fact that Leftists viscerally hated Charlie Kirk and wanted to silence debate with him, calling him a White Nationalist, tells you exactly what you need to know.
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Charlie Kirk might have been a Zionist shill as an Evangelical Christian, but I do think that he was coming along on the journey.
Glancing here and there, I’d say he seemed to be going off the reservation. Too bad that dummy shot him.
I was sporadically pleading/chiding Striker for a day and a half on X re: autistic sperging about Kirk’s Zionism was insanely tone deaf, ugly, and in real politik terms – bad for business. I normally think he’s a vet smart cookie, but he took offense. Tragically, the worst enemies of White Nationalism are White Nationalists. re: TRS – they are WAY past their due date. They are just money grubbing grifters now. I will add that Mike P’s X feed is pure lolcow fodder these day. More commentors trash him, rightfully so, than support him.
Greg: America… is now two nations sharing the same territory and political system, slowly coming to the realization that we can’t live with one another, that we are in a zero-sum struggle for survival, that it’s them or us.
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Thank you, Greg. I’m not as bothered about the loss of Charlie Kirk to assassination as others are — if only because he was an Israel-Firster. He may have come more our way eventually, but his support of Israel and being an evangelist for “JudeoChristianity” put him in Their camp, not Ours. He was leading millions of our youth on campuses and online in the wrong direction.
I’m not sympathetic at all to the young White assassin, either, especially if the rumor that he is a transsexual is true. What a screwed up young man in a screwed up country.
Kirk, who was an exceptional young White family man, was a casualty of a yet-to-be clearly declared war.
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Sam Dickson: September 11, 2025 at 11:31 pm ...The Soros funded District Attorney refused to prosecute [Antifa] because she said she had ideological sympathies which prevented her from doing so and, besides, she said, “I have better things to do.” … As Comrade Johnson says, these people hate us. They want us DEAD. We cannot live with them.
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Thank you, Sam. That settles it when both you and Greg agree that racial separation is the only solution. Our side has only racially responsible Whites — but not all Whites are on our side. WE MUST ORGANIZE AND SEPARATE FROM NON-WHITES, WITHOUT THOSE LOST KINSMEN. They are choosing the wrong side in the racial struggle.
Brilliant article.
I’ve noticed this left-wing viciousness towards regular conservatives getting worse over the last few decades. One lesser form it has taken is in the tendency among many left-wing people to permanently cut off family and long-time friends if it’s discovered those family or friends voted Republican. I’ve experienced this. Also, when I was in middle school, I casually mentioned to a not-close family member that I wanted the Republican to win the presidential election. Hearing this made him incensed, and he flipped out and loudly laid into me, viciously insulting me and looking to emotionally wound me in any way he could. It was nuts. He went after my looks, my clothes, my voice, made sexually inappropriate comments. Profanity, wishing me harm, you name it. It was horrible. And I was only in 7th grade and hadn’t even tried to argue with him. Anyway, I’ve always remembered that and recall it when I see such reactions like the ones mentioned above. These people are beyond malicious, and we absolutely cannot live with them.
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