Kevin MacDonald makes another appearance on Counter-Currents Radio to talk about the controversial influence of the Israel lobby as well as listener questions. The episode is now available to download or listen to here.
Topics include:
1:15 – The pattern of Jewish power rising followed by a reaction against it.
8:58 – How did the 15th century Spaniards defeat Jewish power in their time?
16:55 – The Israel lobby is still incomparably influential in the US Congress and Trump is a loyal servant.
21:10 – Jeffrey Epstein and the Maxwells.
30:43 – The genocidal Netanyahu regime is supported by most Israelis and Jews abroad.
39:57 – What is the most effective way to reduce Jewish power in America today?
46:03 – Question on the future of white liberals.
58:00 – Will Jews align themselves with nationalism for all nations?
1:03:22 – Reforming campaign finance regulations.
1:07:45 – How evolving in cold winter climates enabled Europeans to develop close bonds with animals.
1:22:11 – Question about Freemasons.
1:38:44 – Elon Musk’s American Party.
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16 comments
Please have Dr. Macdonald on again soon. I would love to send a superchat commending the great doctor for his role in red pilling me immensely in 2010.
That was intellectually ravishing. I think it is quite possibly the highest level podcast discussion that has been had on the internet as yet.
I had a lot to say, but I was very intrigued by the notion of Jewish intermarriage with elites as a form of controlling host societies. I’ve noticed this to a high degree in the Bible belt. Very often department heads and chancellors of large institutions and what not will be married to a Jew. It may be by chance, but it just seems too common for people of influence or influential positions to be married with Jews for it to be random. (Not that anyone around here is particularly anti Jewish or even gives a who.)I read somewhere that by the turn of the century the British peerage, or nobility, was so intermarried with Jews that the interests of them and international Jewry were virtually the same. Kevin McDonald remarks that this tendency goes way far back, further than you would imagine. I would like some elaboration on this topic. I wonder if there’s a good resource that details this or discusses it?
also, I liked the discussion about Hellenism in early Christianity and Simone Weil. I think the revisionist satirical quality of Homer against early Greek values is sort of present in the work itself, and it was widely acknowledged, at least implicitly, in ancient Greece. If you’ve ever read heavily in the Greek anthology, for example, Troy is often used as a symbol of the idea of the perfect society, and Greeks are characterized as barbarians or savages. Another example, and this is from the BC. period, the poet Stesichorus wrote an epic which remains only in fragments about the episode where Hercules kills Geryon. Hercules is portrayed as a murderous brute, and Geryon, as a sympathetic victim. This is sort of derivative of Homer too, the revisionism of traditional Greek heroes. my point is I think that Simone was articulating a principle that was very present if implicit even in Ancient Greek thought. The epics often do this, for example I think the character Palinurus in the Aeneid is a satire of paganism. I think Vergil’s using the sort of same style as Homer, this would be an imitation of Homer.
I think it is quite possibly the highest level podcast discussion that has been had on the internet as yet.
Yup. I was thinking much the same.
…that by the turn of the century the British peerage, or nobility, was so intermarried with Jews that the interests of them and international Jewry were virtually…
Saki and George Eliot (Mary Ann Evans) makes notice of this phenomenon in their writings. 🙃
The woman in Cincinnati just gave a press conference. She was fantastic. The tide is turning. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y2fAHWyaUc
I think the recent surfacing of the Community Relation Service by Academic Agent and Auron MacIntyre is a great opportunity for us. They made an open confession in a book called, “America’s Peacemakers”, that was released in 2020. They confess to everything. Among the confessions are bragging about rushing in to areas where savage black or non-white killings and beatings of Whites occur and cover it up.
The strength of this woman in Cincinatti is great and we should use her courage and the Cincinnati racial assault as well as the pending Austin Metcalfe trial to push the CRS and the book and its confessions into the public conscious. It sucks that Kirk, Carlson, Walsh … … refuse to budge from colorblind civic nationalism. That is okay. They will express outrage and publicize egregious anti-White happenings now.
We should capitalize on this and do all we can to move these revalations and confessions from the AA/A. MacIntyre tier to Walsh, Carlson, Kirk. Ideally the sheer number and scale of the crimes in the past 5 years alone and highlighting the worst of them and tying it back to the CRS and as importantly who created and ran the CRS will really blow things far widen open. We should be encouraged about all of this and do all we can to push this information into wider public view.
I have feeling that Walsh is not far from being the guy who realizes he can create an empire if he is the first to openly embrace explicit White Identity and White Advocacy. Once one of these guys figure this out and make it happen, politicians will follow as Whites, hungry for real advocacy and representation, will arrive in huge numbers. Hopefully we could place our guy into the fray and at the least crowd out Ramafrauddy and even challenge Vance and Masters. Btw, whatever happened to Blake Masters?
I think the recent surfacing of the Community Relation Service by Academic Agent and Auron MacIntyre is a great opportunity for us. They made an open confession in a book called, “America’s Peacemakers”, that was released in 2020. They confess to everything. Among the confessions are bragging about rushing in to areas where savage black or non-white killings and beatings of Whites occur and cover it up.
You made me think that Academic Agent and Auron MacIntyre wrote a book called “America’s Peacemakers.” But the book is by Bertram Levine and Grande Lum and published by a university press. It doesn’t seem so much a confession, but a revelation made by liberals for an intended audience of other liberals.
https://www.americaspeacemakers.org/
Both AA and AM remark that of all the people mentioned in the accounting, all of them are of a certain group.
I like them both (with reservations) but it still astonishes me that AA and Auron get the credit for making the CRS a thing.
I have mentioned this site (and x handle @thelastrefuge2) before, but this was calling out the CRS so far back in the day I assume Auron still had his milk teeth. See for yourself, check the dates of the top hits in this site search:
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/?s=Community+Relations+Service
It’s been banging the ‘Beware Bondi’ drum since the Trayvon/Zimmerman shit kicked off and has a very good track record for prognostication and bends-inducing deep dives on government corruption.
I hear you, and I agree that giving credit or acknowledging a source is the proper way to do things. In a better world our posterity will return to that right and honorable path.
That said, what is most important is that the information spreads. The cause is our existence and our possession of our ancestral and diasporic homelands. I’ve seen Carl Benjamin build an entire episode almost verbatim using my explanation of our spiritual and pre-Christian mythos and how it fits into our cause. I am sure he read it in one of the places where I post anonymously.
I don’t care. What matters is that more of our people see the ideas and information. Sadly, most people are followers. An idea isn’t legitimate until someone legitimate and widely popular states it. That is especially true of the myths of moralizing armor that act as status and shaming mechanisms to protect The Regime. Sadly, all of Greg’s work and Jared Taylor … … will get taken up by a Matt Walsh or a Charlie Kirk or worse a Stephen Crowder. These Titans will not get credit. But, they will make White Identitarianism main stream and probably sooner than we think. The Regime massively accelerated by putting the pillow over our face starting in 2008 and squeezed with both hands in 2020. Eventually guys like that cannot play safe with the suicide of colorblind white-guilt based civic nationalism.
Is it fair? No. But what matters is that guys out there who didn’t find places like CC as their first rabbit hole will first see Greg’s work on Matt Walsh. What matters is that they get the ideas and that The Regime’s armor of moralizing and guilt is melted away by more, “legitimate”, voices. Many of those guys will have our disposition and they will discover the origin/source in due time.
We need to put aside our egos and focus on the end result that we want. All that matters is that we retain our lands and that our folk survive this rot in order to reconstitute ourselves and make the next upward thrust.
Excellent show!
I’m glad that Christianity as Hellenism can be corroborated even by Jewish scholarship. I’ll still have great nostalgia for Catholicism on this basis.
ArminiusMaximus: August 8, 2025 ...I agree that giving credit or acknowledging a source is the proper way to do things. In a better world our posterity will return to that right and honorable path… Sadly, all of Greg’s work and Jared Taylor… will get taken up by a Matt Walsh or a Charlie Kirk or worse a Stephen Crowder. These Titans will not get credit…
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I finally got around to listening to this excellent interview with Dr. MacDonald last night, because Douglas Mercer had said KMac mentioned Dr. Pierce and Wilmot Robertson in it (but not until the 1:20 mark).
He said he had been influenced by both of those critics of Jewry years earlier, but did not give them credit or endorsement. Too bad.
We cannot afford to wait for weak conservatives like those you cite, or others like Carlson or that Negress he mentioned, to bring the JQ to the public’s attention when it was factually brought up to him by men like Pierce, Robertson, and presumably by others like Klassen and Oliver 50-plus years ago.
At least those courageous Titans caught the attention of a man like KMac early in his academic career. Their truths about Jewry are still as valid today as they were then. We stand on their shoulders as they stood on the shoulders of Messrs. Hitler, Shopenenhour, Luther, Ford and others who came before them.
On the JQ today, Dr. Kevin MacDonald is a treasure. As is Dr. Thomas Dalton. See here for many of his books: “Thomas Dalton” at cosmotheistChurch.org
Some of the best writing on The Culture Of Critique can be found in Robert Griffin’s biography of William Pierce (Fame Of A Dead Man’s Deed’s). In the book Griffin gives a detailed description of KMAC’s work. It appears that in addition to KMAC being influenced by Pierce, the reverse was true as well, and Griffin wanted to explicate that part of Pierce’s intellectual development. Griffin often writes at TOO so it appears he has a relationship with KMAC.
Cant wait for the updated edition of Culture Of Critique!
Good interview, very much enjoyed this. Great examination of the times.
I enjoyed the “so much about Israel that absolutely violates America’s liberal values” comment. Israel is everything the alt-right wants and then some. It is at its core an alt-right ethnostate for Jews, complete with its own racial hierarchy with Ashkenazi Jews at the top.
I emailed Kevin Mac Donald when Trump first became president, expressing my fears that he would just be another tool of the Jews. Kevin replied that he believed Trump would be his own man. Unfortunately I was proven right.
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