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Ondrej Mann: How is it possible that Richard Butler’s Aryan Nations and Tom Metzger’s White Aryan Resistance (W.A.R.) were cancelled and expropriated while NA was still strong?
Will Williams: They were not as careful, and so were more vulnerable. Both were destroyed by multi-million-dollar “vicarious liability” judgments brought against them by the Jewish hate group, the Southern Poverty Law Center. That same Jewish “law center” sued the Alliance similarly back in the early 1990s, but Dr. Pierce successfully fought them off. See this and similar essays: William Pierce on Lawyers and the SPLC. The $70 million tax-exempt SPLC war chest used to destroy pro-White groups, that’s cited there, is now more than ten times that amount.
Ondrej Mann: How was it working with Tom Metzger? Do you have any personal memories of him?
Will Williams: I first met Tom in 1986, five years before I finally got to meet Dr. Pierce. I was putting Tom’s Cable Access TV show (Race & Reason) on my local Cable Access television channel in Raleigh. I brought Tom and his son John to Raleigh to speak at a rally I’d organized, and soon after that he introduced me to Ben Klassen, who I went to work with in 1988-89. Ben had founded Creativity, another non-Semitic religion for Whites. I learned much from Ben. I have many fond memories of Tom, especially when I flew him to Cleveland to meet with Dr. Pierce and 90 or so Alliance members, and my friend Tom Chittum, author of Civil War II: The Coming Breakup of America. Mr. Metzger and I roomed together there and I still remember hours of radical back-and-forth discussions with the two Toms.
Ondrej Mann: Hopefully, this interview will dispel some of the lies and rumors about the National Alliance. Why did the National Alliance go under after Pierce’s death? Pierce gave his followers a rich and brilliant organization, and after his death it was impossible to even publish a book about his life, The Fame of a Dead Man’s Deeds.
Will Williams: Not so. NA did not go entirely “under” after Pierce’s death, but nearly did. It has been resurrected and brought back to life since I was named Chairman in 2014, with long-time NA member Kevin Strom as our Media Director. Dr. Pierce’s biography was published prior to Pierce’s death and is available at our cosmotheistchurch.org bookstore: The Fame of a Dead Man’s Deeds by Robert S. Griffin.
I must say, Ondrej, some of the questions you have asked me reveal malicious lies and rumors that have been spread about our organization. Rather than skip them, let’s address a few. When you refer to The Land that is the West Virginia mountain property that Dr. Pierce purchased in 1985 when he relocated NA headquarters from the multiracial miasma surrounding Arlington, Virginia.
Ondrej Mann: Have you experienced anything interesting at The Land? How was a typical day there?
Will Williams: There are too many interesting things to mention in this interview. My book, Pocahontas Show Trial recounts many of them. Typical day: work, work, work — 10-hour days, frequently more, six days a week.
Ondrej Mann: Could you introduce that book to the readers? Did you write other books?
Will Williams: I have shipped you a copy. It’s available at cosmotheistchurch.org for $20: Pocahontas Show Trial by William W. Williams. No, no other books. No time for that. I was determined to tell my side of the ordeal I and the NA experienced with the justice system, and did. It’s instructive for other racial activists. Interestingly, the photograph of me on the cover was taken from a distance by a professional SPLC photographer with his telephoto lens.
Ondrej Mann: NA released the comic book The Saga of White Will. Was the main character of this comic inspired by you? Was this comic supposed to have more sequels? Do you have any personal memories of this comic?
Will Williams: I wouldn’t say inspired by me but I used the nom de guerre White Will for a while since my middle name is White, a family name, and Dr. Pierce liked it. We republished the Saga comic with the White hero recently but have never produced a sequel. Yes, I have many memories of that revolutionary comic, for which I was the colorist, back in 1993.
Ondrej Mann: Did you see the founding of The Land as a step backwards at the time?
Will Williams: Not at all. Dr. Pierce made the right move, getting the Hell out of the degenerate D.C. area. The history of the move is well-documented for anyone who cares to look into it — but at National Vanguard, not from Jewish sources.
Ondrej Mann: Before relocating to The Land, the National Alliance operated more in cities and was more visible.
Will Williams: The Alliance sanctioned, organized and operated more viable Local Units in cities that were much more “visible” after the move to West Virginia than before. Details of that growth during the 1990s are in the cited interviews and in my book.
Ondrej Mann: Like I said, hopefully, this interview will dispel some of the lies and rumors about the National Alliance. Question about corpses: How did corpses on The Land affect you? Did it affect you, for example, like the Egyptian mummies in the pyramids or Lenin’s Mausoleum in Moscow? What were the famous figures of White Nationalism mummified there? What happened to the dead bodies afterwards?
Will Williams: That is the most absurd rumor I’ve heard yet. No corpses, no dead bodies.
Ondrej Mann: Earlier I read that at The Land’s headquarters there in WV was a room called Valhalla and there were mummified bodies of famous White Nationalists – David Lane, Savitri Devi and others. Isn’t it true?
Will Williams: No. More BS. There was never concertina wire surrounding The Land, nor armed guard towers, nor secret escape tunnels, nor mummies. Those and other silly lies and rumors were spread by our enemies to scare people.
Ondrej Mann: How did The Land come to an end? What was the further history of this place?
The National Alliance still owns 86 acres of the West Virginia land and we have members living there. We sold the back portion that was undeveloped, timbered, and of little value to us, to a neighbor. The proceeds from that sale seven years ago went to purchase the 55-acre parcel the Alliance now has, free and clear, as its new National Office in Upper East Tennessee. The Land has not “come to an end.” It has three residences, four 2-story buildings, a motor pool, roads, septic systems, wells, and is wired for phones and computers — a valuable property with Dr. Pierce’s legacy.
Ondrej Mann: Is the NA currently undergoing restoration?
Will Williams: Like I said, the NationalI Alliance has been restored and has been expanded.
Ondrej Mann: What are the current projects of the NA?
Will Williams: Building the large, private 2-story William Luther Pierce Memorial Library and Research Center on the Alliance’s property in Johnson County, Tennessee, is a major project for which we finally have sufficient funds and will begin construction soon. The adjacent, large, 2-story library warehouse has already been constructed. Dr. Pierce’s large personal research collection, which has been combined with other excellent collections that have been trusted to us, the Alliance has nearly 30,000 books, some quite rare. Publication and sale of dissident titles has been an ongoing project for years at our online bookstore: cosmotheistchurch.org/shop
Ondrej Mann: What does NA have to offer to young White people? Which NA books do you consider the most important?
To combine and answer both of those questions, our Alliance tries to educate Whites, young and old, about vital truths to better understand the problems that our people face and give them hope for the future.
The Alliance’s most important books? That’s like asking a parent which of his children is “most important” to him. However, the most important could be our Cosmotheism: Religion of the Future: https://cosmotheistchurch.org/product/cosmotheism-religion-of-the-future-by-william-pierce/.
William Pierce’s first novel, The Turner Diaries, has proved its importance. Our enemies like to harp on Dr. Pierce’s novel as being the “most dangerous book in America.” Why? When I recently received the following from a young Alliance member it confirmed why Jews fear the 50-year-old novel and want to see it banned;
The Turner Diaries is much more than a fiction book. It sets guidelines for the effective mindset for all those who want to gain real independence. The special achievement of Dr Pierce is that he had completely broken the mental chains of American conservatism. He rejected this stupid allegiance to the “flag and constitution.” He charted a completely new path for the state based entirely on racial identity. The official state borders and citizenship mean nothing; racial identity means everything. This revolutionary approach was totally incomprehensible for conservative blockheads but fascinated the best part of the worldwide NS movement. The new worldview formulated by Dr Pierce relates to traditional conservatism in the same way as differential calculus relates to primary school arithmetic.
I should mention the controversial Hollywood movie, The Order, that was released in late 2024. I have mentioned it on Counter-Currents a few times but there was little interest in it for some reason. There should be, but I won’t go into that in this interview. Those who are interested in the extent of how crooked Hollywood is in portraying idealistic white freedom fighters can simply place “The Order” in the search block at National Vanguard and read all about it, including the 4-part series on American Dissident Voices, beginning with The Order 2024, part 1.
Ondrej Mann: Thank you for your answers.
Will Williams: Thank you, Ondrej, for this opportunity to explain a few things about my work for the Cause.
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Ondrej, some of your interview questions (this one and previous as well) are framed awkwardly and your interviewees are trying to point you towards this. Try to ask one question at a time instead of loading them up, which gets messy. Either do some research ahead of time, in order to avoid asking questions that relate to lies or smears against an organization, or at the very least ask your questions in a way that does not assume the premise and the answer you get should be less guarded and more insightful.
Thanks for the interview.
Thank you for your criticism. I draw topics for interviews from many sources, and some of them are not serious. When it comes to unique interviews, there are often no literary sources on the personalities. I have to come up with the questions myself or obtain information from conversations with the person in my question. I conduct interviews at the highest possible level, but there is always room for improvement. Some of my interviews are unique in the world; you will not find similar interviews or similar information anywhere else in the world. Creating this unique literature is my mission.
Tye: May 26, 2025: Ondrej, some of your interview questions (this one and previous as well) are framed awkwardly and your interviewees are trying to point you towards this… Either do some research ahead of time, in order to avoid asking questions that relate to lies or smears against an organization, or at the very least ask your questions in a way that does not assume the premise and the answer you get should be less guarded and more insightful.
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C-C is fortunate to have Ondrej conducting interviews for the site. Many of them hold no interest for me because they deal with his interest in an esoteric music scene that I will never follow. I learned from interviews he did, like with Margot Metroland, Jim Goad, and my old friend Ron McVan.
I shipped Ondrej a copy of my book, Show Trial, early on in the interview process, that could have provided him plenty of background, but he insisted on asking questions about mummified bodies and how did dead bodies affect me. I’m not one to be defensive about our work, refuting outrageous lies and rumors spread by our enemies, so ignored some of his questions. However, I addressed a couple, knowing that lies repeated in this thing of ours, if not debunked, have a tendency to become truth,
I’m interested to see how Ondrej revirws the movie The Order. He seems to have liked certain aspects of it though I sent him evidence from our side about just how deliberately anti-White, anti-Pierce and anti-National Alliance the trash is.
Great article! I was wondering why the National Alliance moved, and what happened to the original headquarters in West Virginia, now I know. I still have my copy of “White Will,” which I purchased back in the 90s. 🙃
Thanks for the interview. I hope this interview helped dispel some of the rumors surrounding NA. I’m glad this interview sparked interest in NA and similar topics. Will White Williams did a good job and answered even the uncomfortable questions. He has my respect for that. Only asking pleasant questions is a recipe for disaster.
A review of the film The Order will be published shortly. It is a very detailed review. I base it on the book The Silent Brotherhood, although the book is not perfect, as several WN activists have told me.
Regarding the history of National Alliance & National Vanguard–
(I’m asking here, because I’m not able to chat in the comments of NV, for whatever reason, and I’m not blaming NV for this.)
I believe Dr. Pierce selected Billy Roper to recruit for NA. He was, & is, an outgoing, charismatic salesman for White nationalism and the balkanization of White American families who place White racial identity & survival above all. In spite of all the mumblings I’ve overheard that Billy was (& is) totally unpredictable & egomaniacal, I believe National Vanguard could really benefit from a similarly-styled GenX or younger, open-minded⁺ high-profile extrovert for recruitment.
Ondrej Mann: What does NA have to offer to young White people? Which NA books do you consider the most important?
To combine and answer both of those questions, our Alliance tries to educate Whites, young and old, about vital truths to better understand the problems that our people face and give them hope for the future. ✅
The Alliance’s most important books? That’s like asking a parent which of his children is “most important” to him. However, the most important could be our Cosmotheism: Religion of the Future ❌
(I wish there were more parents willing to be honest re which child[ren] is most important & why. Someone recently asked my mom, “If [she] had to be stuck on a desert island with just 1 of her 2 daughters, which one would she pick?” A few people immediately interjected: “What a terrible/unfair/evil question!” My mom, didn’t pause, “On some days I’d choose one, and on some days I’d choose the other.”)
⁺ The relentless adherence to Cosmotheism will be the death of National Vanguard, in my not so humble opinion. I’ve previously informed Mr. Williams how Cosmotheism mysteriously causes me to literally start finding nature dislikable. (?!) More recently, Mr. Williams has suggested I re-read Dr. Pierce, and notice that everything WLP has ever said is seamlessly tied together by Cosmotheism. I refuse to do this, because I refuse to start hating Dr. Pierce, due to his personal spirituality. I don’t hold his theology, nor his choices in multiple wives, against him. These are very personal & private decisions.
⁺ Unfortunately, required adherence to Cosmotheism places religion > race.
I apologize for any confusion above. I started out that I am “asking”…
It looks like I didn’t really present any actual single question.
I sometimes think the hardest thing is to do, is to obtain the history of National Alliance from an unbiased pro-White viewpoint.
Buy this book, no, buy that book, no mine’s better,…
I feel like I have to work so hard to discern what is factual among pro-Whites, who, like me, draw much inspiration from the tireless work of Dr. Pierce.
I’ve been unable to log in to C-C for more than a week, until today, but have saved this comment and have been working on it in my email drafts during that time, thus its length.
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Kim: May 27, 2025 Regarding the history of National Alliance & National Vanguard –(I’m asking here, because I’m not able to chat in the comments of NV, for whatever reason, and I’m not blaming NV for this.)
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I suppose you’re asking Ondrej since your question is below his, but he knows less than you do about NA and NV history, so I’ll try to field your questions since I may better know the answers.
I’ve never been one to “chat” online — on the phone, yes, but not online, usually with some unknown curiosity-seeker, using an alias, no less. I prefer the forum format where one can own his words, especially when using his given name. When National Vanguard was a print periodical back in the ’70s until Dr. Pierce died in 2002, as editor of NV he would occasionally, but not often, publish a letter to the editor from an NV subscriber and respond to the letter to answer a good question, or to clarify National Alliance policy for NV’s subscribers, many of whom were NA members entitled to NV subscriptions.
You can blame me for not having an interactive “chat” feature, Kim. NV, as NA’s primary outreach online — not just to educate our people and give them hope but ro recruit new Alliance members — I became disenchanted with unknown anonymous commenters feeling entitled to comment under NV essays and other content, often contradicting the content, spreading doubt and confusion or becoming argumentative. I could have closed comments altogether to solve the issue, but haven’t since some are productive, especially when from friends, NA members and supporters.
A primary reason I paid C-C to get behind its paywall a couple of years ago was to learn what it takes to set one up for NV commenters. Friends, NA members and supporters can participate/comment for free, all others should pay for the privilege, as long as they behave. Support NA at least minimally and you are entitled to comment. Setting up a paywall can be complicated and not easy to manage, requiring human oversight — so we still do not have a paywall at NV. I don’t have the time nor the wherewithal to manage a paywall, nor does NA’s Media Director, who maintains our websites, have the time (with three children under the age of four!), so an NV paywall will have to wait.
Still, I was pissed to recently learn that unknown anonymous commenters were once again being “auto-approved” after I, as NA Chairman, had clamped down on such nonsense. I must do what I think is best for the National Alliance, and I know damned well that Dr. Pierce would never have allowed such garbage to sully our primary online outreach for Alliance-building. Consistency of our message and the rule “quality always over quantity” must take precedence if we are to attract the sort of serious human material Dr. Pierce strove to attract. Why confuse or spread doubt among our target audience or allow others to? Pierce never wanted to be the largest racial nationalist group, only the best!
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I believe Dr. Pierce selected Billy Roper to recruit for NA. He was, & is, an outgoing, charismatic salesman for White nationalism and the balkanization of White American families who place White racial identity & survival above all. In spite of all the mumblings I’ve overheard that Billy was (& is) totally unpredictable & egomaniacal, I believe National Vanguard could really benefit from a similarly-styled GenX or younger, open-minded⁺ high-profile extrovert for recruitment.
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Well, who am I to argue with what you believe, Miss Kim?
I met Roper online — Usenet, I believe it may have been, during the mid-90s. Since he was engaged in online activism with Creators from Klassen’s Church of the Creator in Arkansas, I thought he might be recruitable to the National Alliance — so we began corresponding. I had left NA’s WV National Office at the end of 1993 after two years as Dr. Pierce’s first National Membership Coordinator, then was appointed by him to be NAs first Regional Coordinator, for the Carolinas region. Pierce wasn’t aware of Roper until I started lobbying him that Billy might be a possible candidate for the position I’d vacated, Membership Coordinator. We NA activists “in the field” were in need of a liason in the National Office with Dr. Pierce on matters of activism, so I put Pierce in touch with Billy, along with my recommendation. Billy was then interviewed by Pierce and he hired him, not as MC but as Deputy MC. Billy was never elevated by Pierce to the position of MC.
Billy is mentioned here by Pierce in an interesting ADV broadcastabout a demonstration he helped to coordinate outside of the German Embassy in Washington D.C: “Multicultural Justice | National Vanguard”
…[M]y organization held a demonstration outside the German Embassy last July 29 to make a public issue of this lack of freedom in Germany. We did everything strictly according to the law. We obtained a permit for our demonstration from the government of the District of Columbia. We notified the police well in advance, so that they would be prepared to control traffic at the demonstration and maintain order. We showed up at the appointed time and began marching in an orderly fashion along the sidewalk outside the German Embassy with our signs.
Then a gang of 40 or so Jews and communists, many of them wearing masks and carrying weapons, arrived on the scene. Two of these, one a Jew and the other a Caribbean mulatto, attacked the National Alliance member, Billy Roper, who was coordinating the demonstration. In full view of the police and news cameramen, they struck Billy in the head with a tire iron and a heavy lug wrench, cutting a nasty gash above his right eye and breaking a bone in his eye socket. The police arrested the two attackers at the scene. The two were later identified in the newspaper of the Progressive Labor Party, a violent communist organization, as members of that group. The Progressive Labor Party newspaper praised the actions of its two members and urged more such attacks in order to prevent the National Alliance from holding further public demonstrations.
Despite our protests and all of the evidence presented to the prosecutor, the two communist thugs were charged only with simple assault, a misdemeanor, and they were released from custody on the same day they were arrested. Their trial came up in the Superior Court for the District of Columbia on the eighth of this month. The Assistant U.S. Attorney assigned to prosecute the case was a Negress from Nigeria. The two defense attorneys were Blacks. The judge was a Black. There was no jury, because the two communists asked to be tried by the Black judge only.
During the trial a videotape obtained from a news cameraman was played for the judge. It clearly showed one of the communists swinging a lug wrench at Billy Roper’s head, with the other communist kicking him from behind. We also had eyewitnesses who had been at the demonstration, we had Billy Roper’s medical records, we had photographs showing blood streaming down Billy’s face from his wound, and we had the Progressive Labor Party newspaper bragging about the assault and urging its members to commit more such assaults. The Black judge ignored the evidence and on January 9 acquitted both communists…
I could write a couple of chapters in a book that’s only about that one demonstration, the attack on our Alliance activists, including on Roper, by the Antifa-like non-White thugs, and the “trial” that followed, but won’t. Let him tell that complete story. Billy later told NA members at an Alliance Leadership Conference that I had saved his life when I grabbed the arm of the little nigger thug as he was taking another swing at Billy’s head with the tire iron/lug wrench. It had all been captured on videotape, ignored by the anti-White D.C. court.
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The relentless adherence to Cosmotheism will be the death of National Vanguard, in my not so humble opinion. I’ve previously informed Mr. Williams how Cosmotheism mysteriously causes me to literally start finding nature dislikable. (?!) More recently, Mr. Williams has suggested I re-read Dr. Pierce, and notice that everything WLP has ever said is seamlessly tied together by Cosmotheism. I refuse to do this, because I refuse to start hating Dr. Pierce, due to his personal spirituality. I don’t hold his theology, nor his choices in multiple wives, against him. These are very personal & private decisions.
Unfortunately, required adherence to Cosmotheism places religion > race.
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You are full of beans, Kim. I’ll just add that those who refuse to read a truth when it’s provided to them are worse off than those who cannot read. BTW, others can read about Cosmotheism: Religion of the Future if and when it is reviewed on Counter-Currents, and decide for themselves its merit rather than from your uninformed, not so humble opinion, thanks. Though Pierce’s belief system is not for you, others who may be interested can learn all about it by putting the word ‘cosmotheism’ in the search block at nationalvanguard.org.
I won’t speak to the mumblings you’ve heard about Billy Roper being “maniacal and totally unpredictable.” That sounds to me like typical “movement’ rumors. If I had to give one word to describe Billy, who is, indeed, a very talented spokesman for the Cause, it would perhaps be “opportunist.” I can never explain why a man who you say had been such a “charismatic spokesman for the cause” including, ostensibly, for the National Alliance’s belief system — he had tried hard to convince NA’s board of directors to appoint him as Dr. Pierce’s replacement as NA Chairman. After losing his bid to become NA Chairman — how could he then go on to be a spokesman for Thom Robb’s Arkansas-based Christian Ku Klux Klan — and that was after the short-lived big tent group he founded, White Revolution, had predictably bombed.
I’m sorry, but Opportunism is the appropriate word I can think of to explain Billy’s pretended belief in and promotion of Pierce’s decidedly unChristian, Nature-based Cosmotheism — then go on to apparently promote “belief” in Jesus, and the promise of an eternal heavenly paradise with Jesus’s daddy, Jehovah. When Mr. Robb retired and turned the Klan group he’d built over to his beloved, sincere daughter Rachel rather than to the man who you describe as “open-minded,” Roper went on to form another group called “the Shield Network,” or something like that, then presently to an Orania-like separatist community somewhere in the Ozarks. You can hope he is “charismatic” enough to pull that off.
“I’ve been unable to log in to C-C for more than a week, until today,…”
Thank you for stating this. I’ve also had this happen to me, fortunately not recently. I also appreciate you sharing NA history.
I know many pro-Whites started out in WV, but for various reasons ditched the state. For the time being, I think I will try to make myself useful in WV, assisting pregnant women & schoolchildren.
Mr. Williams, which is more important to National Vanguard: Cosmotheistic identity or strong White racial identity?
I did notice that Billy Roper had been married within the Cosmotheist Church, and, as you mentioned, is now Christian. This begs the question: How authentic are those who profess to believe in Cosmotheism? And how important is Cosmotheist philosophy in the grand scheme of things at NV?
Please understand that I have struggled with theology my entire life. After shopping every weekend for a year, for a church my husband & I could compromise on, in order to marry ‘in a church’, we gave up. I was raised Catholic and he was raised Protestant. (All the nondenominational chapels & unitarian churches in our area were brimming with Jews, atheists & witches/druids!) We knew we wanted to get married, but I thought that a big “church” wedding seemed phony for one, if not both, of us uncommitted (Christian-raised) agnostics, so we exchanged vows in parent’s backyard garden with the help of a wedding officiant we found in the yellow pages.
I have not yet found a theology including Cosmotheism that does not feel crippling to me. I believe free private thought is the only thing which I can always count on in this life. It’s really hindering to have to commit to a specific and obtuse (to me) theology to join a network.
Mr. Williams, you voice your disgust with Christianity fairly regularly. I’m glad you are up-front about it. I appreciate candor very much. Many people prefer politeness over truth, and although I can act civil, I can’t respect Cosmotheism.
Kim: June 6, 2025 Mr. Williams, which is more important to National Vanguard: Cosmotheistic identity or strong White racial identity? [Y]ou voice your disgust with Christianity fairly regularly. I’m glad you are up-front about it. I appreciate candor very much. Many people prefer politeness over truth, and although I can act civil, I can’t respect Cosmotheism.
I answered your question already, Kim, but I’ll post the words of another Cosmotheist Church member, more articulate than I, below, who makes clear how important race is to him and to our Alliance. His words will not resonate with you, but will with a few perceptive Whites who are also “disgusted” to see their kinsmen worshipping our enemy’s mythical deity.
You still wrongly assume that National Vanguard is more than the online magazine of the 50-year-old parent National Alliance organization: Natall.com.
“One Shot and One Shot Only” at nationalvanguard.org by John Meisner:
THE DAY IS UPON us. The West is, in all senses of the word, now dead. We lie in the catacombs of our once great civilization.
However, from this death will come life. The cycle of life and death is intertwined with the seasons. Among a select few we still find the force that will start the cycle anew. A warrior mindset, and a proper level of asceticism, have been and are still being found in some men of our race — especially among the members and supporters of the National Alliance.
Those who completely accept our truth will become the force that wil release us from the death and darkness of this age, and project us into the light and life of the next. Our heroic outlook will prevail over the spiritually corrupt and hedonistic forces that have been leaching away the vitality of our civilization for centuries.
Our attitude toward life and death is still rare; most moderns still cling to an existence in which comfort, safety, a long “happy” life, and illusory “democracy” are among the highest values. We stand opposed to this sterile existence. We stand for self-actualization of the individual primarily so that he may work for the greater good of the race — for achieving states of higher and higher degrees of consciousness of the Whole; for living our lives in pursuit of this great ideal. The pursuit of empty materialism and “happiness” marks those who still “think” like little children. We are not as they.
Among other things this means we have a willingness to put ourselves in danger when necessary. It means, at times, stoically accepting great discomfort. With the greatest reward comes the greatest challenge. We accept that calculus. Difficulties which no word can describe will no doubt accompany us on our path — our path to accomplishments beyond the capacities of our imagination.
The Alliance is blazing a new way upward for our people; if we are to survive, we can no longer cling to the Christian system which teaches racelessness and “brotherhood” with the Jew — the precise opposite of what we need. To ascend the upward path again requires new thinking — combined with a reverence for our race’s past, which extends back in time to long before the invention of the Semitic religion that now limits us. By practicing Cosmotheism, and celebrating our ancient past, we will doubtlessly enrage our enemies — and in their anger they will expose themselves for what they are. The self-declared egalitarian, “humanitarian,” anti-aristocratic, and anti-hierarchical forces must be fought ruthlessly and relentlessly until they are removed from our society forever.
There may be a few readers who see us as destroyers, such as the Christian who claims that by embracing the evolutionary Nature of Life and the Universe, and renouncing the Semitic scriptures, we would be destroying 2,000 years of European history, tradition, and culture. Untrue! The Alliance is not a destroyer, but a restorer.
What we are doing is the opposite of destruction. We possess a complete system of positive values, rooted deeply in our racial soul, and in Nature. We honor our close connection with our peoples’ ancient civilizations, even as we embrace our race’s scientific discoveries which, if understood and applied rightly, will help us achieve a White civilization greater than any that has come before. We strive to liberate ourselves completely from all that is negative or unhealthy in the current age.
Dr. Pierce once told us that “we only have one shot” at racial immortality, and we must get it right. Living always — living every moment — with that thought foremost in our minds, we can win.
I believe free private thought is the only thing which I can always count on in this life.
I agree with you. Also, I could never understand this business of “…I don’t like the religion I was born into anymore (i.e., my parents’ church) so I am going to shop around, i.e., do lots of reading and church attending and see what I can find.”
And what are we supposed to do if we can’t find that perfect set of beliefs anywhere. It is just beyond belief how many sects & denominations of Christianity there are – and they all think their version is the correct one. And get this, I find this so funny it makes me laugh out loud: there is even one called Church of Christ.
I think they are all social clubs rather than collections of people holding exactly the same beliefs. If Club #14 starts to get your goat, you just join Club #15. Etc.
Kim: June 6, 2025 Mr. Williams, which is more important to National Vanguard: Cosmotheistic identity or strong White racial identity?
“I answered your question already, Kim, but I’ll post the words…”
Mr. Williams, I apologize for being ill-equipped to sort through Cosmotheist circumlocution. I think all religiously-adherent people, and all racially-conscious people, should be able to rattle off whether their religion teaches: race > religion, or religion > race.
Kim: June 6, 2025 …Mr. Williams, I apologize for being ill-equipped to sort through Cosmotheist circumlocution. I think all religiously-adherent people, and all racially-conscious people, should be able to rattle off whether their religion teaches: race > religion, or religion > race.
No need to apologize for your inability to grasp Dr. Pierce’s racial pjilosophy, Kim. It’s not for everyone, especially those with spiritual baggage that blocks their ability to understand the simplicity of a Nature-based, reality-grounded belief system.
However, were you to apologize for using the word circumlocution to describe explanation of Cosmotheism, I will accept your apology.
Will and Kim: I remember reading where Pierce states that for him race is not the be all and end all and I was surprised—but this needs to be contextualized. Here is how Pierce himself did it:
“It should remind us, and it should remind others, that Cosmotheists are not people primarily – and I stress the word primarily – interested in promoting certain racial goals, or certain social or political or economic goals. We are people primarily concerned with fulfilling our mission as the bearers of the Creator’s purpose, as agents of the universal will. That comes first.
Everything else – race, politics, culture, economics – is a means to that single end. The reason I emphasize that tonight, the reason I’ve emphasized it many times before, is that it’s easy to slip into error in this regard. We want to always make sure that one of the distinguishing features between us and others who pursue similar racial or political or social policies is that we don’t put the cart before the horse. Everyone else almost certainly will. But we alone are working for ultimate things, for eternal things, for infinite things – and we must never forget that.” (from WLP86 William Pierce On Cosmotheism, Wave Of the Future, National Vangaurd 11 September 2019, edited by Kevin Alfred Strom).
I daresay that Pierce was more of a hard core Aryan racialist than any man who claims that race is all—so it’s not that—it’s just that his bandwidth was so much bigger and his vision so much grander.
Thank you, Doug.
I’ve always strongly admired Dr. Pierce’s ability to discuss racial realities in very plain terms. Yet, National Alliances most important book of all, deals with abstract Cosmotheist theology?
When Dr. Pierce delves into, “The Aryan race on earth is now the focal point of the creator” (Is it? It sounds as if the author is claiming omnipotence here) & [paraphrased] “Whites shall be immortal gods”, he loses many smart White racially conscious people, because while they are happy to identify as immortal souls, immortal “gods” seems over the top. Many Christians have problems with Mormon theology over the notion that — by living well, you too, can become a god (of another planet.)
Regarding: “Our purpose is the creator’s purpose—that’s what Cosmotheism teaches.”
A commenter suggested, maybe in Part 1 of this piece, that (the ongoing physical practical aspects of) Cosmotheism’s very similar to Beyondism. (I completely agree, thanks to Devon Stack’s podcast on the philosophy of Beyondism*, ~3 weeks ago.) That which created all living things, “the creator”, would naturally choose the best of everything to survive, thrive, and propagate.
However, this can have a negative impact on White humans, as Cosmotheism is more concerned with the soul/spirit/supernatural over the physical body. There are earthly situations, where a physically stronger neighboring group could practically extinguish every White neighbor, and that would very well be in accordance with the creator’s selection of only the strongest of every group propagating.
Again, as I read it, and I am not alone, in viewing, Cosmotheism as a religious theology more concerned with supernatural belief, than it is earthly physical racial survival.
I almost wish there was a “Church of Dr. Pierce” as opposed to a Cosmotheist Church. I’m not suggesting that he be outright worshiped like a god, but just a social group for those inspired by his work. Certainly there are more fans of his cultural and historic racial insights, than fans of this perspectives on afterlife and eternity.
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https://odysee.com/@Blackpilled:b/beyondism:6
Kim, thank you for your thoughtful response.
“When Dr. Pierce delves into, “The Aryan race on earth is now the focal point of the creator” (Is it? It sounds as if the author is claiming omnipotence here) & [paraphrased] “Whites shall be immortal gods”, he loses many smart White racially conscious people, because while they are happy to identify as immortal souls, immortal “gods” seems over the top. Many Christians have problems with Mormon theology over the notion that — by living well, you too, can become a god (of another planet.)”
The piece about What Cosmotheism Teaches is by me not Pierce, so whatever is good or bad in it belongs to me. But, yes, Cosmotheism does teach that we will be immortal gods. Indeed, that is the point of creation.
“Again, as I read it, and I am not alone, in viewing, Cosmotheism as a religious theology more concerned with supernatural belief, than it is earthly physical racial survival.”
Cosmotheism is more concerned with infinite things than racial survival which is necessary but not sufficient. Show me one person whose body of work is more dedicated to Aryan racial survival than Pierce’s. Likely they can’t. So I think this objection (with all due respect) is a misleading canard.
“Almost wish there was a “Church of Dr. Pierce” as opposed to a Cosmotheist Church. I’m not suggesting that he be outright worshiped like a god, but just a social group for those inspired by his work. Certainly there are more fans of his cultural and historic racial insights, than fans of this perspectives on afterlife and eternity.”
There is a church of Dr. Pierce, though it does not go by that name. It’s called The National Alliance and you can read about it on nationalvanguard.org or whitebiocentrism.org
Kim – I am avid admirer or Devon Stack’s work, and watched the stream you referenced on “Beyondism”. I think you’ve made a very apt comparison. You have a gift with the written/typed word, and express things with in a very readable, eloquent style.
I’ve searched, it seems endlessly, for a theology that has the ring of The Truth, and everything that I’ve explored, feels contrived, unnatural, constraining, and insufficient for the purpose of navigating daily realities. Paganism appeals to me, but my first explorations have been met with the same doctrine of inclusivity and diversity as mainstream churches. It seems that is the first thing that any church wants me to know about their mission. If I want anti-Whiteism, I’ll just go to the local Methodist church, thank you!
Mr. Williams, I apologize for negative feelings caused by my use of the word “circumlocution”; and more importantly, I promise I won’t say it again.
Kim: June 7, 2025 Mr. Williams, I apologize for negative feelings caused by my use of the word “circumlocution”; and more importantly, I promise I won’t say it again.
Ha! Apology accepted.
You might expect negative feelings when you describe Dr. Pierce’s explanation of his racial philosophy with a word that’s synomynous with ambiguity, or, according to Mirriam-Webster, “deliberate evasion in speech.” This after you told Mr. Mercer that you “always strongly admired Dr. Pierce’s ability to discuss racial realities in very plain terms.”
Did I see where you plan to help pregnant White ladies in WV? You may be interested to know that I’ve officiated over three solemn Cosmotheist weddings, and those unions have since produced six beautiful White children. Isn’t that what our cause is all about?
You might expect negative feelings when you describe Dr. Pierce’s explanation of his racial philosophy with a word that’s synomynous with ambiguity, or, according to Mirriam-Webster, “deliberate evasion in speech.”
When I used the word ‘circumlocutious’ [to mean indirect + very wordy] I was not referring to Dr. Pierce, but to the explanation you offered by John Meisner, which did not lead me to greater clarity. I stopped using Mirriam-Webster definitions back in 2020 when they decided to start updating established definitions of words such as “racism” upon a single emailed request by a black person:
Racism Definition: Merriam-Webster to Make Update After Request
10 June 2020 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52993306
This after you told Mr. Mercer that you “always strongly admired Dr. Pierce’s ability to discuss racial realities in very plain terms.” <– I do. This is true.
Did I see where you plan to help pregnant White ladies in WV? Yes.
You may be interested to know that I’ve officiated over three solemn Cosmotheist weddings, and those unions have since produced six beautiful White children. Isn’t that what our cause is all about?
For stable married White couples, I’d aim for 2+ children/couple, no matter what their theology/philosophy. To my mind, having the skills to stay married, and possessing the ability to persevere, for the benefit those kids, takes precedence over sharing the same spirituality.
If I, as an adult, can’t find clarifying, daily life instruction from Cosmotheism (i.e. divorce is not an acceptable option) how can kids possibly extrapolate beneficial instruction from it? As a kid, my life was saved by Roman Catholicism. I clearly understood at age 9 that it was a serious mortal, unforgivable sin for me to choose to take my own life. I know very few Catholics who are religious fanatics. Pretty much all the Catholics I know simply identify with certain traditional Catholic traits that they hold true, church or not, such as not killing innocent newborns.
Mr. Williams, I’d expect people like yourself, who are very involved in a church, and even performing wedding ceremonies, to have a more content disposition. I’ve read your comments online at National vanguard. You have complaints, voice your frustrations, and at times sound deeply unhappy and very negative. I often get accused of being too gloom & doom, but Sir, I believe you may be even more pessimistic than I am. This tends to turn off new potential church-goers.
(I have experience recruiting church members for my husband’s former liberal Protestant church, for the purpose of gaining the necessary votes to defeat gay marriage within their church.)
The term Cosmotheism was named by a French political figure named Lamoignon de Malesherbes (1721-1794). The name, strictly speaking, refers to the idea that the universe or Cosmos is God (theos) or that there is some kind of world soul (anima mundi). The most important aspect of it is that the divine sentience is in some way or other intertwined or entangled or infused into what we call the material world or, properly speaking, it is the world. That is the divine is immanent in the world rather than being somehow above or behind (or below) it.
This divine cosmos which we see and explore is a dynamic and evolutionary system and it is unified, living and conscious. And most importantly this conscious cosmos has a purpose and a goal, that is it is going someplace with intention and aim. And to Pierce our people and its awareness were the key to the whole system, that we are required to have the same purpose as the creator, and that when our will or desire or urge was identical to the creator’s will, when we are aligned with it and in tune with it, then the universe, or this instantiation of it, would come to its completion.
Our purpose is the creator’s purpose—that’s what Cosmotheism teaches. The creator’s purpose is to create, to create new beings and new worlds, and to bring those worlds to the completion of self-consciousness, though this is just the completion of the stage of transition, after which successive states evolve one after the other endlessly. The Aryan race on earth is now the focal point of the creator and its purpose is that we shall become gods in our own right, become free and autonomous, and immortal, constitute our own ground, and thus take on a life of our own, that is begin to live.
This dynamic process is the purpose of the creator and so it is our purpose—that is what Cosmotheism teaches, that a state of self-realization will occur when we are read into the ground plan of the god and become independent of it. We thus stand on the verge of an epochal change to another mode of being, another state of mind, and as such we are the means by which the creator realizes its creation of eternal self-evolution; and it is our task today to become aware of who we are and so become who we are. That is what Cosmotheism teaches.
Kim: June 8, 2025 When I used the word ‘circumlocutious’ [to mean indirect + very wordy] I was not referring to Dr. Pierce, but to the explanation you offered by John Meisner, which did not lead me to greater clarity….
That is astonishing to me, Kim. You are a bright lady, more racially conscious than average. That Mr. Meisner’s eloquent expression seemed wordy and indirect to you tells me you have a personal problem with Cosmotheism. I accept that I cannot help you with that problem and will cease trying. Youre a foil for me. There are enough concerned Whites who are attracted to our NA material for me to deal with for me to waste time with those who are opposed.
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I stopped using Mirriam-Webster definitions back in 2020 when they decided to start updating established definitions of words such as “racism” upon a single emailed request by a black person…
I’ll continue to use M-W, not so much for its definitions but as a convenient online Thesaurus until a better one comes along that’s not Jew-owned. See: “Wikipedia (and Britannica)” at nationalvanguard.org (and Mirriam-Webster) by Andrew Hamilton.
I SUSPECT THAT EVEN most National Vanguard readers are unaware that the venerable Chicago-based Encyclopædia Britannica has been owned by Jewish billionaire Jacob E. “Jacqui” Safra, a member of the wealthy Safra banking family, since 1996. Its longtime CEO was an Israeli, Ilan Yeshua… Safra, who also owns Merriam-Webster, Inc…
Mr. Hamilton’s 2022 essay is a must read for Whites who trust monopolistic Jew-owned Internet information services, as are the comments made under his essay.
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Mr. Williams, I’d expect people like yourself, who are very involved in a church, and even performing wedding ceremonies, to have a more content disposition. I’ve read your comments online at National vanguard. You have complaints, voice your frustrations, and at times sound deeply unhappy and very negative. I often get accused of being too gloom & doom, but Sir, I believe you may be even more pessimistic than I am. This tends to turn off new potential church-goers.
You know very little to nothing about the Cosmotheist Community Church, of which I’m Trustee, Kim, but you write as if you are an expert. that’s OK. I’m used to that. Regardless, thanks for your free psychoanalysis.
Attempting to organize Whites to preserve their race is a difficult task when most of our people are like you. My work is challenging and satisfying, despite the many naysayers. Others have said I’m “negative,” but I’m actually positive, knowing that we can and must prevail if our people are to overcome racial replacement and eventual extinction.
You have noticed that I have opinions on nearly everything concerning taboo topics of race, religion and politics, but my opinions are predicated from my sound world view — call it Cosmotheism, if you wish — learned from William Pierce and others over the past 40 years. Not to be defensive, but I’m content, confident with my opinions, and relatively “happy,” considering that most people my age are long retired. I cannot imagine retiring from what I do.
Hopefully you and your husband can eventually find that local Christian church or parish that will help you to overcome your pessimism.
Will Williams is a living legend, right here in our midst!
Hyacinth Bouquet: June 26, 2025 Will Williams is a living legend, right here in our midst!
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Ha! The only way we can possibly become legendary is if we actually win the White racial struggle.
I just now saw your compliment while searching for what I’d written here on 5 June, replying to Kim about what she’d said about Billy Roper. Note the last sentence, highlighted:
…I won’t speak to the mumblings you’ve heard about Billy Roper being “maniacal and totally unpredictable.” That sounds to me like typical “movement’ rumors… I’m sorry, but Opportunism is the appropriate word I can think of to explain Billy’s pretended belief in and promotion of Pierce’s decidedly unChristian, Nature-based Cosmotheism — then go on to apparently promote “belief” in Jesus, and the promise of an eternal heavenly paradise with Jesus’s daddy, Jehovah. When Mr. Robb retired and turned the Klan group he’d built over to his beloved, sincere daughter Rachel rather than to the man who you describe as “open-minded,” Roper went on to form another group called “the Shield Network,” or something like that, then presently to an Orania-like separatist community somewhere in the Ozarks. You can hope he is “charismatic” enough to pull that off…
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The reason I searched for that about an Orania-like separatist community in the Ozarks was because of this that was posted to our NA forum today:
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[quote=Stargazer post_id=41852 time=1751633377 user_id=5144]
Recently on Reddit, Jews were alarmed to find out that an organization known as Return To The Land (RTTL) is attempting to establish an intentional white [sic] community on 160 acres of land in northern Arkansas. They go on about how this is an attempt to circumvent the fair housing act of 1968 and that “white supremacy” has no place in Arkansas:
Return to the Land founded by Eric Orwell and Peter Csere has advocated for a need to develop parallel institutions, being self reliant x and overall the continued existence of the white race. Their organization is peaceful, and never advocated for violence or armed resistance. However the very existence of such a community to the Jews is simply intolerable. A group of Blacks in Georgia calling themselves the “Freedom Georgia Initiative” have also purchased land to build an intentional Black community (to questionable success), but has received no such condemnation from the Jews.
This goes to show how much our very existence or creating any sort of living space for our people is an abomination to our enemies, but we must not give them any ground. Recently the ADL made a post on X condemning RTTL, and a majority of the comments on that post are instead condemning the ADL.
https://forward.com/news/733168/return-to-the-land-arkansas-jews-eric-orwoll/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Jewish/s/cnH9001bwK
https://returntotheland.org/[/quote]
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I knew I’d already checked into Eric Orwell’s effort, that he was well-intentioned, but could also see he would be vulnerable to an ADL legal challenge with his half-baked scheme — using such anti-White crap as the fair housing act of 1968. I won’t get into that here, now. Go to the link to his site and judge Eric’s efforts for yourself. He has a donate button and a way you can apply for membership in his community.
We certainly must separate racially, but with more care and with more purpose, as our National Alliance/Cosmotheist community has been doing.
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