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Sam Francis on Prophesying War

Peter Bradley

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Talk of civil war has been increasing lately, both on the Right and the Left. The topic seems to trend on X every few weeks and Netflix released a movie called Civil War earlier this year. More recently, a debate on Tim Pool’s Culture War podcast between Scott Greer and Rudyard Lynch focused on the subject. Lynch, a well-spoken 23-year-old who has recently begun to appear on various Dissident Right podcasts, claims that there will be “thousands of deaths” related to political violence in the United States by April of 2025. Pool accepted this view though Greer noted that such conflict was unlikely. It should be pointed out that Lynch is hardly the only person who believes civil war is imminent.

John Carter on X: “Worth keeping in mind, in the midst of the euphoria, that shortly after Trump takes power it is entirely possible that a stock market collapse, hyperinflation, WWIII, and Civil War 2 could well all pop off more or less simultaneously.”

Counter-Currents has already published a good analysis by Christian Secor that shows why such talk of civil war is far-fetched. But the whole debate brings back memories from nearly 30 years ago. Back then, almost every publication (hard copy newsletters in those days) of what today might be called the Dissident Right ran ads for a book called Civil War II: The Coming Breakup of America (1996) by Thomas Chittum.

While ignored by the mainstream, the book apparently reached a decent sized audience. Chittum fought in the Vietnam War as an artillery expert and was a mercenary in Rhodesia (for the good guys) so he knew what he was talking about militarily. He argued that shifting racial demographics brought about by mass immigration – as well as a soft ruling elite – would spur a civil war that splits the US along racial lines.

Civil War II was respectfully reviewed by Sam Francis in the June 1998 issue of Chronicles. In this review, Sam pointed out why the US was not about to dissolve into another civil war. His skepticism rested on two main elements. The character of those who were supposed to do the fighting and the response of our rulers if they did try to start such a conflict.

Sam believed that racial loyalties were not yet as solid as Chittum asserted in his book. Ethnic gangs – particularly in Los Angeles – were quite strong at the time, but they had not tried to take over that or any other city. He explained why:

Urban street gangs haven’t made a bid to take over entire cities yet, despite the large funds from drug trafficking and the availability of sophisticated weaponry, precisely because they are criminals, not soldiers or empire-builders, and because they provide a certain sense of community and group bonding to other wise socially crippled adolescents. It’s more likely that the gangs will insist on pushing crack and running girls than attacking military bases…

What about our guys, or what passed for our guys at the time? Sam was not impressed and he displayed his characteristic humor in explaining why:

As for the militias, strange religious cults, white separatists, and similar underground movements, I’ve seen and read nothing about any of them that would convince me they’re a serious danger to anybody. Most of their burned-out members seem to spend more time smoking dope and reading pornography than they do plotting guerrilla warfare. The fact is that, apart from criminals and a few lunatics, Americans in general today are couch cabbages whose closest approach to guerrilla warfare is the weekly argument over who holds the remote during Melrose Place.

But Sam’s main argument for why a second civil war was unlikely is that the regime would simply not allow it. And they wouldn’t even have to use much force to prevent it.

What Mr. Chittum doesn’t entirely grasp is that the ruling class, as I have argued before, rules mainly through manipulation, not through force or intimidation. Ruby Ridge and Waco, which he sees as signs of impending reliance on force, are more likely signs of the incompetence of the ruling class at using force. Ruling classes that do rely on force (like the Nazis or the Communists) would have gobbled Randy Weaver and David Koresh at a single bite and not spent weeks pondering how to get them to come out peacefully. It’s quite true that there is an emerging federal police state, but our incumbent ruling class, Republican or Democrat, simply isn’t constructed to rely on it as its primary mode of power. Instead, it relies on manipulation, the deliberate inculcation of an apparently spontaneous and voluntary desire to obey, and soap operas, game shows, and professional sports are far more useful instruments of control for its purposes than BATF goon squads.

Instead of civil war, Sam offered an alternate view of what would likely define the near future. Readers can draw their own conclusions about whether Sam or Thomas Chittum were more prescient three decades hence:

The real future, perhaps less exciting than that of Civil War II, is what various writers have called “Brazilianization,” the disintegration of traditional community, class, and nation at the base of American society and the domination of a technically skilled, affluent (if not luxurious) overclass that is no less multiethnic in its composition but is bound together by its control of wealth, status, and political and cultural power. That is why American society becomes more “diverse” through immigration but more homogeneous through the uniform discipline exerted by the federal leviathan in conjunction with the mass consumer economy and mass instruments of culture and communication.

While he was skeptical of whites rising up in civil war anytime soon, Sam Francis spent much of his life trying to offer a solution for us to restore our nation. Rudyard Lynch will likely be proven wrong on May 1, 2025, but he is at least thinking in terms that Sam would have approved of. The following is from his Chronicles column a year prior to the review of Civil War II:

The transformation of the American Right from a conservative force intent on preserving the present system into one that at least espouses sympathy for the imagery of revolution shows that the Right has at last begun to grasp the truth that it no longer exercises control of the country. That is an anomalous situation for many who conceive themselves to be on the Right, and much of the lack of preparation they exhibit derives from the anomaly and the discomfort those of the Right experience when the techniques and tactics of revolution are seriously discussed. It may be premature to talk very much about “revolution from the Right” today, but it is not idle to do so, and the sooner the Right completes its understanding that it no longer has any business being “conservative,” the sooner its revolutionary impulses will quicken in the womb.

Hopefully, young Mr. Lynch finds his way over to Counter-Currents and continues to study anti-liberal thinkers such as Sam Francis who can show him – and us – a more reliable path forward.

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  1. MBlanc46 says:
    November 26, 2024 at 8:03 pm

    Brazilification. Perhaps leaving room for racial disaggregation. Some conflict would emerge from that, but perhaps not reaching civil war level.

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  2. Varyag says:
    November 27, 2024 at 6:54 am

    While I am often critical of arguments from the Cofnas/Hannania camp about “the Right” (very broadly defined) being overrun with midwits, the popularity of guys like Tim Pool and Rudyard Lynch isn’t exactly disproving the accusation.

    I’m glad to see them getting some pushback here on the “civil war” issue. Unfortunately, much of the discourse surrounding this topic seems not to have evolved much since Sam Francis was alive.

     

     

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Writers of May

(2 votes) Morris van de Camp David M. Zsutty Derek Stark Jayant Bhandari Greg Johnson

Articles of May

The Lunch Wars by David M. Zsutty Heidegger on Nietzsche, Part One by Collin Cleary 2 votes
    • Editor’s Update
      Fundraiser Update, a New $20,000 Matching Grant, & Rob Rundo Returns to Counter-Currents Radio

      Greg Johnson

    • The Counter-Currents 2026 Fundraiser
      Lifetime Subscriber Welcome Packages Extended

      Greg Johnson

    • Nationalism This Week
      Who’s Looking Back?

      Greg Johnson

      7

    • China’s Threat to American Security:
      Food, Farmland, Foreign Control, & Energy Policy

      Lipton Matthews

      1

    • The Bitter End of Western Metaphysics:
      Heidegger on Nietzsche, Part Two

      Collin Cleary

      2

    • The Killing of Henry Nowak

      Mark Gullick

      22

    • The Crisis of Chinese Technology Thieves

      Morris van de Camp

      1

    • The Strange World of Gender Bender Fiction:
      & What This Genre Tells Us About Autosexuality

      Dani Vypont

      3

    • Watching the Watchers:
      The Dark Triad Question

      David M. Zsutty

      14

    • The Remigration Movement Solidifies

      F. Roger Devlin

      1

    • Casting Aspersions:
      The Fatal Consequences of Race-Swapped Casting, From Helen of Troy to Henry of Southampton

      Steven Tucker

      19

    • The Murder of Henry Nowak

      Millennial Woes

      23

    • Don’t Forget to Vote in Our Writer & Article of the Month Poll

      Greg Johnson

    • The Robot Hotdog Stand

      Greg Johnson

      34

    • Laughing Our Way to Victory

      Dave Chambers

      4

    • The Zodiac Killer

      Mark Gullick

      11

    • Jared Taylor: What Rome Means to Me

      Jared Taylor

      1

    • An Interview with Endeavour:
      My Way of Life Is an Adventure!

      Ondrej Mann

      6

    • José Pedro Zúquete’s The Identitarians

      Greg Johnson

      3

    • Editor’s Update
      Fundraiser Update & How to Watch the Remigration Summit

      Greg Johnson

      5

    • The Bitter End of Western Metaphysics:
      Heidegger on Nietzsche, Part One

      Collin Cleary

      11

    • Berlin: City of Stones

      Spencer J. Quinn

      6

    • True Folk-Horror Is Horror of Your Own Folk:
      Mark Gatiss vs the Brexit Blind Dead  

      Steven Tucker

      4

    • Counter-Currents Radio Podcast No. 689
      Thomas Massie, the America 2050 Bust, the Need for Whites to Divest from America, the AI Economic Apocalypse, & Pro-White Project Pitches to Billionaires

      Counter-Currents Radio

      7

    • Nationalism This Week
      Remigration is Inevitable, Part 3

      Greg Johnson

      26

    • Why Billionaires Should Fund White Identity Politics

      Lipton Matthews

      8

    • How Cold War Two Came About

      Morris van de Camp

      5

    • Now Available for Pre-Order at a Special Price!
      Greg Johnson’s The Philosopher Is In

      Greg Johnson

    • David Zsutty’s Elevator Pitch to a Billionaire

      David M. Zsutty

      1

    • Headbanging Lite

      Mark Gullick

      5

    • White Advocacy Past and Present

      Peter Bradley

      13

    • The Lunch Wars

      David M. Zsutty

      47

    • The Russians are Coming/The Russians are Coming

      Steven Clark

      1

    • Peak Fatigue in Fort Wayne

      Gabriel Anderson

      24

    • Keith Woods’ Elevator Pitch to a Billionaire

      Keith Woods

    • The Cruelty of Kindness

      Morris van de Camp

      9

    • Predation Wearing the Mask of Civilization

      Jayant Bhandari

      13

    • The Mandalorian & Grogu

      Trevor Lynch

      24

    • Editor’s Update
      Fundraiser Update & a New $20,000 Matching Grant
      Greg Johnson & David Zsutty Discuss Thomas Massie on Counter-Currents Radio

      Greg Johnson

      2

    • How the Jews Defeated Thomas Massie—& Themselves

      David M. Zsutty

      24

    • Jared Taylor’s Elevator Pitch to a Billionaire

      Jared Taylor

      15

    • Nationalism This Week
      Remigration Is Inevitable, Part 2

      Greg Johnson

      8

    • Could Fascism Work?

      Mark Gullick

      40

    • Jonathan Bowden’s Deliverance
      Part 7

      Jonathan Bowden

    • China’s Quiet Hand:
      Influence, Infiltration, & the Western Blind Spot

      Lipton Matthews

      9

    • Counter-Currents Radio Podcast No. 688
      Tyler Dykes on Running for US Congress in South Carolina

      Counter-Currents Radio

      3

    • Lothrop Stoddard’s The Revolt Against Civilization

      Spencer J. Quinn

      14

    • Lewis Strauss Did Nothing Wrong:
      How the politics of the Atom Bomb during the early Cold War Apply to Artificial Intelligence Today

      Morris van de Camp

      14

    • The Ghost of the Confederacy

      Dave Chambers

      12

    • America’s Century of Humiliation has Begun

      Greg Johnson

      27

    • Will Williams

      Crosstown Traffic:
      Jimi Hendrix & The Post-War Rock ‘N’ Roll Revolution

      ...His girlfriend of the time was undergoing serious investigation by another biographer of Hendrix’...

    • Will Williams

      Nationalism This Week
      America Has Already Lost the Iran War

      US Warships Flee Oman Sea after Iranian Navy’s Missile WarningJune, 05, 2026 – Politics...

    • Peter Quint

      Casting Aspersions:
      The Fatal Consequences of Race-Swapped Casting, From Helen of Troy to Henry of Southampton

      Maybe he is one of those reptilians we have been hearing about. 🙃

    • Peter Quint

      The Killing of Henry Nowak

      Unfortunately, you are correct; there’s not enough racial loyalty out there to kill a piss-ant...

    • Tye

      The Bitter End of Western Metaphysics:
      Heidegger on Nietzsche, Part Two

      Fascinating series I have followed since the beginning. This bird’s eye view piece has been...

    • Vagrant Rightist

      Nationalism This Week
      Who’s Looking Back?

      Yes. No one knows where this data is going. I’ve never used an AI for anything personal and never...

    • Connor McDowell

      The Killing of Henry Nowak

      Apparently, Nowak’s father has come out with a statement of “please let’s not make this about race...

    • Sigurd

      The Murder of Henry Nowak

      I'm really having a hard time trying to figure out if those police officers who made the arrest are...

    • DarkPlato

      Nationalism This Week
      Who’s Looking Back?

      What math problems do you use ai for?  It’s ever so wonderful.  It can solve them better...

    • kolokol

      Nationalism This Week
      Who’s Looking Back?

      Never sign up for AI. You're asking for trouble, if you do. I only use Google AI-mode, because it...

    • kolokol

      China’s Threat to American Security:
      Food, Farmland, Foreign Control, & Energy Policy

      This is a disturbing article. I respect China, but I don't fear them. They are strong and...

    • Peter Quint

      Nationalism This Week
      Who’s Looking Back?

      Someone please break this tie for “writer of the month,” or it is going to be a long citation...

    • Rough Bastard

      Casting Aspersions:
      The Fatal Consequences of Race-Swapped Casting, From Helen of Troy to Henry of Southampton

      Fvcking hilarious. Murphy exudes something very unsavory and strange, in a bad way.

    • Peter Quint

      Nationalism This Week
      Who’s Looking Back?

      Great article! I am glad I am a low-tech guy. 🙃

    • Glide Ratio 0:1

      Casting Aspersions:
      The Fatal Consequences of Race-Swapped Casting, From Helen of Troy to Henry of Southampton

      Absolutely, very good looking cast. At least the younger characters. Everything else was still a...

    • kolokol

      Nationalism This Week
      Who’s Looking Back?

      So that's what "palantir" means. I've never read that book. In its AI-mode, Google gives a plot...

    • Will Williams

      Watching the Watchers:
      The Dark Triad Question

      Delete screwed-up duplicate comment

    • Glide Ratio 0:1

      The Killing of Henry Nowak

      I really don't want to say this but Jake Shields does the same and I'm starting to suspect him now...

    • Will Williams

      Watching the Watchers:
      The Dark Triad Question

      Julius Strange: June 5, 2026   At least people motivated by excitement and glory can be...

    • Throne Of My Enemies Bones

      Nationalism This Week
      Who’s Looking Back?

      Some time ago, I had an interesting experience with a 20-something woman from India, who was working...

    • Earth Day Special

      John Morgan

      12

    • A Robertson Roundup
      Remembering Wilmot Robertson
      (April 16, 1915 – July 8, 2005)

      Margot Metroland

      13

    • The Paranoid Style in White Nationalism

      Greg Johnson

      30

    • Join the Dance!

      Andrew Hamilton

      1

    • We Can’t Save the Earth Without Reducing African Birth Rates

      James Dunphy

      36

    • “I’m Not a Conspiracy Theorist, but . . .”:
      Jeffrey Epstein’s Death Gives New Life to “Conspiracy Theories”

      Greg Johnson

      22

    • Sylvia Plath: Stasis in Darkness

      Vic Olvir

      17

    • Vanguardism, Vantardism, & Mainstreaming

      Greg Johnson

      80

    • Aviation, Geography, & Race

      Charles Lindbergh

      3

    • Some Thoughts on Yule

      Collin Cleary

      4

    • Living in Truth:
      A Yuletide Homily

      Jef Costello

      7

    • John Kennedy Toole’s A Confederacy of Dunces

      Greg Johnson

      20

    • On Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn’s Warning to the West

      Spencer J. Quinn

      7

    • Elitism, British Modernism, & Wyndham Lewis

      Jonathan Bowden

      6

    • Philip K. Dick’s Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? as Anti-Semitic/Christian-Gnostic Allegory

      Greg Johnson

      20

    • “Conspiracy Theory” or Conspiracy?

      Andrew Hamilton

      21

    • Remembering H. P. Lovecraft
      (August 20, 1890–March 15, 1937)

      Greg Johnson

      3

    • Who Are We?
      Nordics, Aryans, & Whites

      Greg Johnson

      71

    • Remembering William Gayley Simpson
      (July 23, 1892–December 31, 1990)
      A Pleasant Afternoon with Harriet & Bill Simpson

      Margot Metroland

      18

    • Here are the Young Men
      Remembering Ian Curtis
      (July 15, 1956–May 18, 1980)

      Mark Gullick

      18

    • Percy Grainger
      Artist of the Right

      Alex Graham

      7

    • Remembering Revilo Oliver
      (July 7, 1908–August 20, 1994)

      Greg Johnson

      18

    • The Meaning of July 4th for the White Man

      Gregory Hood

      13

    • The Front National’s Evolution

      Bruno Mégret

    • Merwin K. Hart
      Forgotten American Hero & Man of the Right

      Morris van de Camp

      10

    • George Orwell’s Nineteen Eighty-Four

      Jonathan Bowden

      8

    • Carleton S. Coon
      Scientist & Reluctant White Advocate

      Morris van de Camp

      3

    • The Kwanzaa Absurdity Will Be Dwarfed by Juneteenth

      Robert Hampton

      10

    • Stravinsky

      Alex Graham

      7

    • Like the Roman:
      Remembering Enoch Powell (1912-1998)

      Mark Gullick

      23

    • Institutions Cannot Be Transplanted

      Jayant Bhandari

      5

    • Jonathan Bowden’s Deliverance
      Part 5

      Jonathan Bowden

    • Crosstown Traffic:
      Jimi Hendrix & The Post-War Rock ‘N’ Roll Revolution

      Mark Gullick

      1

    • Slaves from the North:
      Finns & Karelians in the East European Slave Trade, 900–1600

      Lipton Matthews

      14

    • Neo-Fascism in Film
      Part 4

      Karel Veliky

      2

    • David Lean’s A Passage to India

      Spencer J. Quinn

      1

    • Elites are Essential to Development

      Lipton Matthews

      7

    • Jonathan Bowden’s Deliverance
      Part 4

      Jonathan Bowden

    • Neo-Fascism in Film
      Part 3

      Karel Veliky

      6

    • E. M. Forster’s A Passage to India & the Indian Mentality

      Spencer J. Quinn

      25

    • Jonathan Bowden’s Deliverance
      Part 3

      Jonathan Bowden

    • The Rest Is Silence
      Heidegger’s Quietism

      Mark Gullick

      2

    • Dispelling the Historical Fallacy of Indian Nationalism

      Lipton Matthews

      8

    • Neo-Fascism in Film
      Part 2

      Karel Veliky

      8

    • Jonathan Bowden’s Deliverance
      Part 2

      Jonathan Bowden

    • Life of a Klansman

      Mark Gullick

      8

    • Jonathan Bowden’s Deliverance, Part 1

      Jonathan Bowden

    • Decolonial Ideas are Holding Back Developing Countries

      Lipton Matthews

      8

    • Neo-fascism in Film, Part 1

      Karel Veliky

      21

    • Jonathan Bowden’s Onslaught, Part 8
      Divigations on Decadence

      Jonathan Bowden

    • Jonathan Bowden’s Onslaught, Part 7
      Intrigues in the National Front

      Jonathan Bowden

      1

    • Rotten to the Core

      Mark Gullick

      8

    • Strauss on Husserl’s “Philosophy as Rigorous Science”

      Greg Johnson

    • Jonathan Bowden’s Onslaught, Part 6
      Francis Bacon & Right-Wing Nihilism

      Jonathan Bowden

    • London After (& Before) Midnight:
      Aleister Crowley, The Landlord’s Worst Nightmare

      James J. O'Meara

      2

    • Jonathan Bowden’s Onslaught, Part 5
      The Post-War British Far Right

      Jonathan Bowden

    • No Rules: Rollerball

      Mark Gullick

      4

    • Jonathan Bowden’s Onslaught, Part 3
      Brett Easton Ellis’ American Psycho

      Jonathan Bowden

    • An Alternate History of the Harris Presidency

      Beau Albrecht

      5

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      Augustina S. Paglayan’s Raised to Obey

      Francis Rockwell

      4

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Writer & Article of the Month May 2026

Voting for this month has concluded. Here are the final results!

Top Writers

  • #1 Morris van de Camp 2 votes
  • #2 David M. Zsutty 2 votes
  • #3 Derek Stark 2 votes
  • #4 Jayant Bhandari 2 votes
  • #5 Greg Johnson 2 votes
  • #6 Jared Taylor 1 vote
  • #7 Collin Cleary 1 vote
  • #8 Spencer J. Quinn 1 vote
  • #9 Mark Gullick 1 vote
  • #10 Lipton Matthews 1 vote
  • #11 Keith Woods 1 vote
  • #12 Steven Tucker 1 vote

Top Articles

  • #1 The Lunch Wars 2 votes
  • #2 Heidegger on Nietzsche, Part One 2 votes
  • #3 Could Fascism Work? 1 vote
  • #4 Jared Taylor's Elevator Pitch to a Billionaire 1 vote
  • #5 Predation Wearing the Mask of Civilization 1 vote
  • #6 Peak Fatigue in Fort Wayne 1 vote
  • #7 Keith Wood's Elevator Pitch to a Billionaire 1 vote
  • #8 Do You Want to Play a Game? 1 vote
  • #9 Why Billionaires Should Fund White Identity Politics 1 vote
  • #10 The 1970s: The Golden Age of Hijacking 1 vote
  • #11 True Folk-Horror Is Horror of Your Own Folk 1 vote
  • #12 Finding Atlantis Part 4 1 vote
  • #13 Berlin: City of Stones 1 vote
  • #14 The Ghost of the Confederacy 1 vote
  • #15 Lothrop Stoddard’s The Revolt Against Civilization 1 vote

Total votes cast: 17