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Jason Kessler recently offered a critique of the White Nationalist movement on his Telegram channel: “If White Nationalism is totally devoid of single White women and cannot provide basic social networking functions for single men, it is unsustainable.”[1] Indeed, White Nationalism is “worthless” because it “isn’t providing basic social functions for its adherents,”[2] particularly providing men with mates.
I do not wish to discuss Jason Kessler or the broader phenomenon of “incels” (involuntary celibates). Suffice it to say that Jason Kessler is a dedicated white advocate and has my complete sympathy.
Instead, I want to deal with the question of the benefits people can expect from the White Nationalist movement. Is it reasonable to expect the movement to provide you with personal fulfillment, romantic or otherwise?
White Nationalism is a political movement. Like all political movements, we promise significant benefits. Indeed, we promise enormous, world-shaking changes. We promise to reverse the demographic, cultural, and political decline of the white race, through creating or restoring sovereign homelands for all white peoples.
Reversing our demographic decline does entail rolling back the so-called sexual revolution, which, similar to the Bolshevik revolution, promised freedom and plenty but ended up delivering a dystopia in which increasing numbers of young people lead lonely, sexless lives. So yes, White Nationalism promises an end to the incel problem.
But all of that comes after we win.
In the meantime, we face enormous opposition. Our people have been brainwashed into self-loathing and self-destruction. And when people do wake up, the entire establishment will spare no expense and sink to any infamy to crush dissent and hold on to power. Then there are the retarding effects of antiquated ideologies, aberrant personalities, anti-intellectualism, and self-defeating behaviors in our own ranks.
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Despite all of these hindrances, our movement growing. But compared to our rivals — and compared to what our movement needs to be if we are to beat them — White Nationalism is still a small, poorly-organized, and poorly-equipped vanguard. But great things can come from small beginnings.
Butif you want to join this vanguard today, you should not be asking what the movement can do for you but what you can do for the movement. This is the ethos which will build a movement that, someday, will be able to deliver benefits, not just to its members but to our race as a whole.
I am not saying that there are no emotional rewards in this fight, that it is all self-sacrifice, and that you will never find happiness along the way. But your happiness can’t be our movement’s primary concern — indeed, it shouldn’t even be your primary concern — for two principal reasons.
First, happiness falls into the category of “outcomes” — i.e., things produced by action. Every political movement is about outcomes. In our case, we want to save our race. Compared to that collective good, individual happiness is just not that important. This movement is not about meeting our personal needs. This is politics, not therapy. At this stage of the struggle, we need people who are more focused on giving to the movement rather than taking from it. That’s simply the only way we will build a movement that can someday deliver benefits — including greater individual happiness — to our race as a whole.
Second, there are some things we can control and some things that we can’t control. Discerning the difference is the beginning of wisdom. Happiness depends on circumstances we can’t control, and when you are a dissident, you have enemies working constantly to deny you those circumstances.
We can, however, control the principles we stand for and the goals we strive to achieve. If we choose good principles and goals, and strive to the best of our ability to achieve them, some of their goodness rubs off on us. We become worthy of praise and worthy of happiness. And even if circumstances don’t work out to actually make us happy, we can take solace in the fact that we are at least worthy of happiness.
Because we have more control over our worthiness to be happy than happiness itself, our primary concern should be our worth rather than our happiness. Furthermore, happiness tends to show up anyway when you occupy yourself with more worthwhile pursuits. Happiness is like sleep: It comes naturally if you just let it happen, but it eludes you if you focus on it or grasp for it.
You can, moreover, simply choose to focus on your worth rather than your happiness. You can choose to right now. If you choose to fashion yourself into such a person, you will become a better activist, because you will not be tempted to quit due to personal problems and setbacks. Thus, you will be more likely to contribute to good collective outcomes in the long run.
There are plenty of opportunities for activism, which brings us back to Kessler’s point about “basic social functions.” We don’t just need political activists. In fact, since political activism is increasingly repressed, nationalists have every reason to focus on other forms of community organizing.
White Nationalists in every community can create their own self-help and mutual aid groups. We need hiking and camping clubs, fitness and martial arts groups, book clubs, Toastmasters-style groups to develop communications skills, homeschooling networks, men’s and women’s groups, and family-friendly gatherings. We especially need organizations to help nationalists with drug and alcohol problems.
Such groups can serve as small-scale models of the kind of society we want to create for all white people. If we can’t create good groups on the small scale, why would anyone trust us with whole societies?
Sure, you’ll face opposition and hurdles. But other groups have overcome them, so you can, too — especially with their help. If you start such groups, though, you have to be realistic: You will put more into them than you will get out of them, especially at the beginning.
It is silly to sign up at the beginning of a revolutionary struggle and expect a full package of benefits to go along with it. There will be many lean years ahead before we win. Our movement is more likely to benefit our race if we stop worrying about benefiting ourselves.
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Any young man unable, or unwilling, to go all-in on White nationalism needs to join his local Republican club. 99% Pale, ambitious, hard working men and women. Working within this organization, White nationalists can help influence policy and meet others that share their ancestry and values. A White church, like LCMS or many Calvinist churches and even most Catholic churches are also very Pale for those with a religious inclination.
The GOP is opposed to the very idea of ‘White’ as a political/racial category.
‘White’ poses a threat to their ‘low-wage immigration’ strategy for the GOP’s core ‘pro-business’ constituency.
The GOP’s opposition to ‘White’ as a racial/political category is just as much economic as it is judeo-supremacist.
If you’re young and the GOP is the primary political party to which Whites in your area affiliate, by all means get involved and learn the ropes. Get elected if you can. But don’t the the GOP seriously as a vehicle for pro-White sentiments. I don’t see it happening.
You are conflating the GOP establishment (which is under siege all over the place) with the base. And even the elected GOP is rapidly becoming less reflexively “pro-business” as Corporate America goes more woke (a heartening development). Anyway, America is politically duopolistic by intrinsic nature, and the GOP remains “America’s Party” and thus our only hope in terms of garnering any political vehicle for any aspect of our cause.
An all or nothing attitude is what contributes towards a lot of frustration and burnout. The movement is actually better off with people having lives outside of “le movement” because we are better off with happy, well balanced members with long term growth.
Couldn’t agree more.
I agree we need a lot of sleeper cells, so-to-speak, but aren’t young men bursting with energy and enthusiasm and unburdened by family responsibilities also extremely useful? Or indeed young women with their ability to charm and disarm?
I may be wrong but I suspect the sense of purpose that young men derive from ethnonationalism makes them more attractive to the opposite sex by dint of their having a higher calling.
Oh, I so hope you are right, because we need to get younger women interested in our men’s direction in life, and in marrying and starting families with the fine men in our world-view who are just drifting around now. Joining in with the GOP in your area might help you find a partner, or at least some other men friends on the same path. Try it, give some time, and report back.
I live in L.A. County, and know of only one other active group, but it’s 2o miles from me, and I know of only one other person on the same track as myself. Somehow we have to get past the ghouls who find us on the internet and search out our names, etc., to give to the ADL and other leftist groups.
Again, I think the biggest problem facing the entire race is our lack of marriage, children and family. How can we increase our numbers?
I absolutely agree with this.
If you are not a full-time activist, you definitely need to cultivate a life outside the movement, IRL (in real life), as the memers say. You need an education, a career, a family, friends, etc., and for most people, these will take you outside the movement. That is natural and healthy.
If you are a full-time activist, you still need a life outside politics. You can’t work 24/7, lest you burn out. It is actually good to have non-political friends and hobbies. For me, they are movies and music and physical activities like walking and the gym. Before my dog died, he regularly took me outside of politics (and outside my apartment), which was healthy in all sorts of ways.
If you lead a purposeful life, you can’t regard sleep as a distraction from your mission. You can’t regard food or friendship as luxuries. These are necessities, even measured solely in terms of your political mission, since you will burn out and fail if you don’t take care of basic human necessities, and these are, by their very nature, outside of politics.
I would like to see the movement provide more benefits. I encourage movement people to start self-help and mutual aid groups. But we can’t expect to satisfy all our human needs within the context of the movement before the movement in effect becomes society at large. But such a day will never come if people today have unrealistic expectations that the movement will meet their personal needs, then bail out because that is just not possible.
I’m so sorry to hear you lost your dog recently. My lack of a dog is difficult as well. I kindly recommend a Dachshund, for two reasons. First they are small and easy to keep, though they do demand walking and running in the park. Second, they are now discriminated against by the Leftists who call them ‘Nazi dogs’. Good grief, how low can the Lefties go? Doxies that I have had would shy away from Black, just as Blacks and horses don’t get along most of the time. Animals have antennae that we cannot see.
Good advice, Greg Johnson.
A possible factor that contributes to primarily younger male activists in the movement from not engaging with wider main-stream society are concerns of being *outed” as irredeemable Neo-Nazi bigots who simply hate everybody. However, most ordinary people, particularly in small-town provincial areas just want an easy life and probably couldn’t care less if it turns out that a young fellow has concerns about mass-immigration or the LGBTQ agenda. It’s as though some in the movement have adopted a mantle of victim-hood; “I’m burdened by being afflicted with these opinions and sentiments which make me at one and the same time an unworthy individual – because I’m outside the boundaries of respectable society – and one that is somehow ‘special’ and entitled.” Also, do you think the average antifa activist involves themselves in non-directly political community building? – they are probably even more too wrapped up in their own Glorious Savior Victim mindset to care about anybody else – “Tonight we storm the palace and take that which is ours! – Tomorrow we punish the simple townsfolk for not listening to us and betraying the Revolution! – To the barricades!”
Good advice.
The white guys who are in a position to fight back effectively against the Leftist destroyers, and have the brass to do so, will very likely find considerable feminine attention.
Yes, it is a truism in the manosphere (which influences incel consciousness) that men who are in positions of prominence (even within marginal social scenes) get more female attention. So yes, one will find that romantic benefits naturally accrue if you distinguish yourself while spending your life on more worthwhile things.
This crowd gets itself in hot water any time it is suggested that women are supposed to be “provided to” men. And the left sees white identity as some sort of skinhead terrorist training ground, no matter how wrong that is.
A potential workaround is greater enthusiasm for various ethnic heritage festivals. Chances are your metro area has a German festival, Greek festival, Italian, Ukrainian, etc… hopefully something other than St. Patrick’s day exists for the Emerald isle. These tend to be populated more with midlife and older types, but such festivals could use an injection of younger crowds. Social media might get the message out to younger crowds without the usual choice of words that gets them shut down immediately.
Who cares if you’re not German. Maybe I’m not wild about their food, but keep pouring the suds.
Exactly. We are not ISIS. We cannot distribute brides.
A while back, I was at a renaissance festival and met three charming young ladies who were National Alliance members. Who says there are no Fascist cuties?
Beau Albrecht: A while back, I was at a renaissance festival and met three charming young ladies who were National Alliance members. Who says there are no Fascist cuties?
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Probably the same “movement” folks who say the National Alliance is Fascist,” Beau — or that NA is “too rough.” Maybe some young girls who are sick of the multiracial miasma in which they find themselves, look around, find this document and it makes sense to them: What is the National Alliance? | National Alliance (natall.com)
I don’t know a thing about Jason Kessler other than his name is associated with the Charlottesville debacle, and frankly I don’t care to learn more. However, when I clicked on his name an archived C-C radio show came up from 11/30/21 with Greg interviewing JK, as well as attorneys Glen Allen and Sam Dickson, so I tuned in because I like and respect both. Poor JK has spent years embroiled in the lawfare of Charlottesville. One thing that caught my attention from him was when he reeled off a list of the alt-right leaders involved in that fiasco. Where are they all now? Was the alt-right another flash-in-the-pan “movement” that got a lot of media attention? Matt Heimbach? Really?
A friend just told me that our Alliance and I are being badmouthed on the millionaire Jew Ron Unz’s website, discouraging Whites from joining the National Alliance. I’m “a chairman who beats up women.” My wife of 20 years and our charming female members know better than that but some of the suggestible White who follow this Jew will not. NA must be doing something right for this controlled opposition site owned and run by a racial Jew to allow such smears. Maybe Unz resents that members of his chosen tribe are ineligible for NA membership?
As Captain Codreanu put it, “Fascism means first of all defending your nation against the dangers that threaten it. It means the destruction of these dangers and the opening of a free way to life and glory for your nation.” That’s what we’re about, isn’t it?
Beau Albrecht: As Captain Codreanu put it, “Fascism means first of all defending your nation against the dangers that threaten it. It means the destruction of these dangers and the opening of a free way to life and glory for your nation.” That’s what we’re about, isn’t it?
Thank you, Beau. CC defines fascism correctly, yes, and he certainly was, as a man of his race, one of us, an ultranationalist and Jew fighter extraordinaire. But that was then in what must have been a racially homogeneous Romanian population.
Today his Orthodox Christian nationalism is a flawed ideology going up against the Jew, especially since that Church still will worship the Jews’ tribal god. Imagine his trying that in increasingly multiracial America, with its shrinking founding stock — us — and with the Jews controlling the levers of power they hold today.
Strict racial separation of Whites from Jews and other non-Whites is the only solution for preserving our precious, unique gene pool.
The National Alliance is racial nationalist, not Christian nationalist, and is more National Socialist than Fascist, putting preservation and defense of the race ahead of the nation [read: State], and in the case of America a failed state. A National Alliance government means, to paraphrase the courageous Iron Guard Captain:
[F]irst of all defending your race against the dangers that threaten it. It means the destruction of these dangers and the opening of a free way to life and glory for your race.”
Right? That’s what we’re really about, isn’t it? ;o}
Beau, please read this classic essay by William Pierce, written 53 years ago, to understand why our Alliance isn’t fascist and that those charming NA ladies you once met may have been cuties but weren’t fascist: Dr. William Pierce on the Difference between National Socialism and Fascism | National Vanguard
What? Bratwurst, spätzle, pretzels, etc. How can you not love it?
I know, personal preferences, yada, yada, yada.
It’s possible that the initial comment was not meant to imply women should be “provided”. He may have meant that a movement that is entirely a sausage fest has no future.
This sort of movement was borne in part out of frustration and disillusionment. Some of the writing can run wildly bitter. The Left is already fortified with histrionics and theatricality, and they let their minds run wild with images of white militias and fifth columns. So the image here can stand to soften up a bit.
And as mentioned above, festivals celebrating various ethnic heritages (English, French, Austrian, Slavic, Greek, etc) are technically allowable so long as you “don’t say white”. We should participate much more. I think the left knows it can’t protest those events unless some trolls were to goose-step through the doors.
And the Mormons are worth of study. One need not convert to the faith to learn from their organizational skill and flourishing against the odds. They have above average incomes and family sizes, and below average divorce rates…. And notable demographics.
Another very clearheaded and wise essay. But I do think Kessler has a point. I vaguely recall from reading various books – Witness, Ted Morgan’s Reds, Roth’s fictional I Married a Communist – and countless magazine articles, especially in the Berlin Wall-era National Review of the 1970s-80s, that the domestic commies really made their cause their life’s focal point; ie, they based the whole of their lives around the cause, and set about creating the social infrastructure to do so. The Reds didn’t have non-political friends or non-commie spouses; they tried to send their children to commie-influenced schools and summer camps; they tried to develop themselves as insular little worlds that would resist “assimilation” into freewheeling capitalist America. I wonder if we can’t learn from this. I believe this is also to some considerable extent how the Mormons consciously act (I have family that had considerable experience as non-Mormon Christians living in Utah, and that was their ‘take’: that the LDS were a world unto themselves, even if, unlike the Luddite Amish, fully integrated into modernity).
I think we would be stronger if we could form more “IRL” networks, if prowhites could actually spend much more time with each other, very much including socializing with an eye to finding dates. But how can a highly marginalized, persecuted, atomized and online community do that? There needs to be an aegis under which such “matchmaking” (of comrades and friends, as well as possible romantic partners) occurs. I have felt for nearly three decades that a lot of prowhites would like to have some reasonably secure and confidential way to find each other IRL.
Regarding the communists: Although the party did provide benefits and activities, acccording to Douglas Hyde’s Dedication and Leadership, the commies actually demanded that members be excellent in all walks of their life and would not accept political commitment as an excuse for having no life at all or a shambles of a life. This makes sense, because people without lives burn out and become useless, and people with parlous lives bring shame upon the party. They may not have honored this, but it is a good idea and worth adopting.
Honestly, I wonder if the extreme insularity and cultishness of the American communists you mention is more a function of their overwhelming Jewishness than of communism itself, although communism is of course quite Jewish in and of itself.
Kessler has a point. But in the current situation, if Kessler wants to be a leader, he should not be demanding benefits from the movement, he should be building the movement up to benefit others.
I understand that the Mormons now have Black bishops and are becoming quite multicultural as a result of their ‘missionaries’ being sent to the four corners of the world. Anyone know about this?
The Catholics lost me when they decided to be ‘inclusive’ way back in the 1960’s and started having ‘guitar Masses’ rather than using the Classical Choral music which originated in Europe. Bye bye.
There is indeed a bit of that, which I find troubling. I’ll concur that trying to make religion “hip” in an effort to “keep it relevant” usually backfires. I’ve heard that the Church of England suffers from this problem too.
I don’t if that’s intended as humorous understatement, but the leadership of the Church of England is now so pro-gay that a schism is likely.
I understand that the CPUSA had some pretty high expectations of their members. Those who couldn’t keep up the discipline washed out. I gather that they were fairly fanatical, and went all-out. That was early on, though. Quality started slipping, probably during the 1960s. Gus Hall wasn’t all that and a bag of chips. Recalling some of the pinklets on campus in the 1980s, I’m a bit embarrassed for them – it seems their new recruits weren’t all that and a bag of chips either. It seems that cultural Marxism became a victim of its own success.
I like the movement just the size it is. It gives me a bunker mentality, a sense of moral superiority over those around me, and a continual source of self righteous outrage. The movement supplies these to me, and I don’t want it to change.
It sounds like the movement in this case becomes not unlike a dry, craggy scab upon a small boy’s knee that he simply can’t resist picking away at.
Some observations:
Articles in Counter-Currents (C-C) which address the dearth of females, or problems with dating are immensely popular.
There appears to be some sort of problem white guys, in many walks of life, have in finding eligible women for forming relationships. This appears true outside and inside of white nationalism.
Since Counter Currents offers one of the few forums in which people can express their viewpoints in a moderated environment, involving a relatively educated and respectful membership, why not have some sort of “Relationships for Men” permanent discussion forum here?
This would vary based upon what the men are seeking. For example, younger guys who are interested in meeting someone and starting a family and having kids, obviously differ from older guys who may be divorced and who already have children.
The dangers of dating foreign nationals or non-white persons could be highlighted.
It might even be worth it to invite and/or pay a few real women {no trans need apply –sorry!}, who may not be associated with White identity or nationalism, to give insights or advice. I might be induced to cough up a few extra shekels to help with this endeavor.
Who knows, we might even get young {or old} white guys coming to this site, who were not previously involved in white identity, to get realistic dating and relationship advice?
Also, it would be nice to have the ability to reach out privately to other readers in order to exchange emails, addresses or phone numbers for the purpose of networking or sharing things such as books or other media related resources(for instance, I have an extra copy of Africa Addio The Director’s Cut on DVD that I would prefer to end up in the hands of someone here instead of Half Price Books or Goodwill).
Yes it would. I’ve advocated this. Counter-Currents and other similar sites seem to use a top-down approach. There used to be a movement, I forget the name, that peached otherwise –once an individual was properly vetted.
They were a bit extreme tho. Now I remember: my Alzheimer’s must be abating (just kidding). It was The NorthWest Front and was led by the indomitable Harold A. Covington. When Harold passed away, it disintegrated. You had to physically relocate to the Pacific NorthWest to get involved.
I think (?) I do have a DVD copy of Africa Addido. But if you want to suggest this idea to the Counter-Currents people, I’d support it.
If you are looking to network with other CC readers in your area, reach out to our Program Director, Cyan Quinn, at [email protected]
Thanks very much, Greg, I’ll contact Cyan at my earliest opportunity.
Nicolas Bourbaki: … There used to be a movement… It was The NorthWest Front and was led by the indomitable Harold A. Covington. When Harold passed away, it disintegrated…
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With good riddance, Nicolas. I showed that the outrageous political saboteur was domitable when I sued him for defamation back in 1996 and won a judgment. He shouldn’t have been attacking our National Alliance with his outrageous lies, or telling his followers that I was “John Doe #2, the deep cover FBI Special Agent who was Tim McVeigh’s handler,” and more.
Your Mr. Covington finally was forced to settle with me 18 years later after owing $250,00o. He never told his suckers about that or about his declaring bankruptcy in a failed attempt to avoid execution of my judgment. He was arguably the biggest fraud to ever gain a WN following.
Thanks for the info, Will. That event preceded my awareness of WN although I did hear mention of your lawsuit somewhere. I never met Harold nor corresponded with him directly. His NorthWest Front was my 1st exposure to white identitarianism. I respected what he “appeared to be”. This was someone who participated in the civil war in Rhodesia and also in South Africa. His fiction books are interesting reading although latter parts appear to be written by a ghostwriter and are of different quality.
I couldn’t join the NWF as I couldn’t move to the Pacific NW due to family obligations. Also, he seemed a bit dictatorial and I decided to wait & see. Soon afterward I found AmRen & Jared Taylor, whom I found much more to my liking.
I’m not too familiar with the National Alliance.
Nicolas Bourbaki: March 30, 2023 Thanks for the info, Will.
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You’re welcome, Nick.
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… NorthWest Front was my 1st exposure to white identitarianism. I respected what he “appeared to be”.
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I’m not familiar with that term, but I’ll take your word that HAC was styling himself a white identitarianist when he first drew you into his scam.
Esse quam videri. Since he couldn’t be, he had to appear to be to attract folks like you. To him perception was everything, no matter if what he told you were lies.
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This was someone who participated in the civil war in Rhodesia and also in South Africa.
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Wrong. His participation in Rhodesia was as a cook, until he was booted out of the country as a troublemaker. He never participatde in S. Africa. That was a lie if he told you he did. So was his claimed participation in Vietnam a lie. Veterans called stolen valor on his phony military claims. He often repeated that I had not been a Special Forces Captain in my two tours in Vietnam — easily disproved when I provided my DD214. Why would he do that? Yet some of his suckers cared more about how he appeared to them that they did about documented truth.
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I couldn’t join the NWF as I couldn’t move to the Pacific NW… I’m not too familiar with the National Alliance.
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NA is easy to find, but don’t search for us on Google or you’ll be frightened away by WikiJew distortions, half-truths and outright lies, sourced from the ADL and SPLC hate groups. We’ve had the natall.com domain continuously since 1995. We don’t require members or supporters to relocate.
Where do people usually meet marital partners? It’s at church, at your job, in college, or in some social group: amateur theatricals, the Blue Hill Troupe, a G. K. Chesterton discussion society. (I’d say a book club, but they’re going to be mostly female, owing to their mission of merchandising popular fiction.) If your life doesn’t involve anything like this, you’re probably going to be alone.
This post is timely.
A few days ago, elsewhere in “dissident” internet discourse, I made a response to a post about zoomers having too much information at their disposal, and how it is dulling their sense of curiosity and ability to think analytically and abstractly.
I posted an anecdote about my own teenager, and how the seemingly unlimited information available on the internet has sort of imposed itself on my authority as a parent. (normal teenage arguments leading to search engines to settle disputes)
I didn’t post it as an invitation to attack me. I was just making an observation that kind of backed up the thesis of the post.
Long story short, I started getting unwelcome criticism of my parenting style…inaccurate insinuations that my teenager must be glued to technology 24/7 and not going outside to get sunshine. My post made reference to a specific search engine (but could have been any search engine as far as the point of my post was concerned) and I got chastised for allowing “the Eye of Sauron” into my home. It seemed like this had become an opportunity to pile on to someone whose family life was quasi-normal and not that of a paranoid hermit. I made a comment suggesting that I don’t believe it’s healthy to completely deny our children all
access to modernity (nor is it possible if your child attends public school) and someone suggested I was wrong because Mennonites do so. (All of these bizarre arguments coming from people who were accessing the internet, most likely from smart phones, to post them).
Now, I’ll be the first to say that the less technology in our lives, the better off we’d be. But these kinds of out of touch, bizarre, impractical arguments only serve to drive normal, sympathetic people away.
Would a teenager be better off without a smart phone? Perhaps, but it’s becoming more and more difficult to find a phone that isn’t a smart phone, and it’s pointless if their schoolworks requires internet access and search engine usage.
Bottom line. I support the “right”, as a loose confederation of dissidents, but each time these bizarre, antisocial people create unnecessary friction with me, as a sympathizer, it pushes me away.
i often wonder how many supporters we would have, if the wierdos didn’t drive them away.
If the weirdos didn’t exist Cass Sunstein would have to invent them, for this very reason.
None of these comments or this essay really address his core point, as I read it. Namely that young American women of all races (and esp white women) AREN’T HAVING KIDS. They don’t want kids, or at least they don’t think they do while they’re in their most attractive and fertile years, riding alpha dick and being treated like rock stars by everybody. This is reality. F Roger Devlin has addressed these trends and the roots behind them, including feminism, women entering the workforce, climate change propaganda, etc. it comes down to selfishness and inability to understand the importance of sacrifice and think of the long term, and our women are fully immersed in this decadent attitude. Tucker actually had someone on tonight talking about the absolute torpedoing of interest from young people in having kids. This is driven by women, who are the deciders on procreation. There is a recent documentary released called ‘Birthgap’ that delves into the multiplier effect over generations of our extremely low birth rates, and it’s alarming.
If you’re a young white man outside the very top tier of what is attractive to women, and you’re looking to raise a family with a woman in your league, you know how dire it is. Whitedate.net had 20 men for every woman. Men want trad relationships with kids; women largely do not. They want fun, ‘travel’, career, social approval (and having kids isn’t cool), and they have the illusion of unlimited options due to social media. They are loathe to settle down. Say the word ‘settle’ in front of a 20 something female and watch the reaction.
And no it’s not attractive to most young women if you’re a leader in a dissident rightist movement. Lol. That is laughable. Women want to fit in more than anything. Until our ideas win and we return to some kind of traditional monogamous, pro-natal culture there are going to be a LOT of frustrated and despairing men. Men need to be needed, we need to protect and provide for a family. Without that we kill each other and kill ourselves slowly or all at once. It’s not a Jason Kessler problem (who has done more for white well being than 99.999% of white men).
You all need to read Devlin. He’s pinpoint in his analysis of dating dynamics.
Very interesting. A Google turns up the following:
“Francis Roger Devlin is a white nationalist and men’s rights activist. He is a contributing editor for racist screed”
But knowing the origins behind current problems is not a solution in the here & now. Also men can be better educated on what steps to take. This is where I think Counter-Currents can be helpful.
I will get some of Devlin’s books tho. Thanks for the recommendation.
Opps, his articles are harder to find than thought:
“This blog has been archived or suspended in accordance with our Terms of Service.”
His book ‘Sexual Utopia in Power’ — which he has also done many interviews on, including here on CC I believe, is the best analysis of the roots to our current lack of family formation by far in my view, and makes my own experience make so much more sense. I do think we have to get to the roots to solve this problem, but I don’t think millennial and gen z men are going to get much traction unfortunately. Women have to need men again, and we have to shame sluts again. No other way.
Although Australian by birth, I am also a US citizen and spent more than a decade here. I have often wondered why recent demonstrations against non-White immigration by organizations like Patriotic Alternative are not reflected by similar groups/sentiments in the US (or elsewhere). This kind of grassroots movement seem to be a great idea to replicate, while also providing a space for people to socialize.
One reason may be that PA’s message is grounded in native British people’s right to inhabit their homeland of more than fifteen hundred years. The Anglo-Saxon diaspora have a more complicated message to sell in asserting their right to maintain control of their lands and up until now there remain places to run to for those who are diversity-averse. Within country migration is a part of life in the disapora countries, less so in the more and more overpopulated mother country.
Yes, PA is an excellent organisation modeled quite closely on modern day continental European Identitarian movements. It is contemporary and forward-looking, whilst embracing tradition and the best of the past; anti-egalitarian and transcendent whilst harnessing the energy of all those with a positive contribution to make.
The primary focus is on grass roots awareness-raising activities around topical issues in areas of relevant locality. PA groups around the united Kingdom enjoy a certain level of autonomy, though individuals wishing to become involved are subject to a standard vetting procedure which is initiated by recommendation from an established activist within the organisation. A certain code of personal conduct and self-presentation are expected – anti-social elements are simply not tolerated.
Emphasis is placed on the primacy of family life and family-based social events such as summer camps, litter-picks along country paths and beaches and Remembrance/Veterans’ Day, at which the presence of activists’ children is encouraged. Individual talents are encouraged and utilized – be it know-how with sound and vision equipment, photography, carpentry, metal-working, sewing, painting, arts and crafts, public speaking, catering, social entertaining, etc, etc. Ideas for setting up small businesses are exchanged and developed.
Funds are generated through very well organised and professional conferences with quality speakers, along with donations from individual activists and supporters. It is not an organisation led by people who want to line their own pockets – nobody is pressurized into contributing their hard-earned money to someone sat on their backside far far away; indeed local activists quite often produce their own quality publicity material – leaflets, banners, etc. Food runs for local homeless are also facilitated.
In the US the organisation that came closest in resemblance to Patriotic Alternative was probably The American Identity Movement which disbanded at the end of 2020, similarly PA’s activist base contains a high proportion of young people aged 18 to 30 and a higher than average ratio of women (of all ages) to men, compared with earlier existent organisations within the movement.
The US definitely needs something like this. You write well, and so should pen a piece describing this group – its goals, activities and methods of gaining supporters – in greater detail. Maybe we “across the pond” could take inspiration.
Thank you for your positive words. Grass-roots political activity always starts with people who personally know each other. A problematic issue is identified and these individuals work together towards raising greater public awareness of the matter, with the goal of rectifying or completely removing the problematic situation. Focus on the situation at hand, be it homosexual female impersonators reading stories to children in publicly-owned buildings; migrants being housed in hotels thereby causing the cancellation of previously booked – and paid for family events, or homeless military veterans being passed over for accommodation and employment because of incompetent and corrupt governmental authority.
How do you eat an elephant? – a little bit at a time! Eliminate obstacles one by one. The problems afflicting us will not be solved overnight. Indeed get involved in local community groups that veer towards cooperation and trust founded on the traditional; the tried; the tested – and established; local church groups and/or GOP/Conservative associations for example. As previous posters have stated, these groupings tend to be very white and also the few non-whites present are going to be socially conservative; can you imagine the average South Korean American or a UK-resident Sikh going along with the LBGTQ agenda? Nobody regardless of their race or ethnicity wants to see their children corrupted – and don’t think for one moment that by getting involved in a local campaign to oppose this, you’ll be socially excommunicated because you won’t. Listen to the people – because they’ve been abandoned. Form alliances on matters of specific local relevance. This may seem somewhat pedestrian particularly to younger people with nationalistic leanings, but charging headlong into the barbed wire and machine gun bullets in an attempt to slay a thousand enemies at once is guaranteed to end in failure. A beautiful corpse is still a corpse – and a corpse is of no use to anyone.
The template:- Get out of the cities. Move to majority White areas. Be a good neighbour. Network through websites such as this and meet people in real life. Emphasise the social. As regards community campaigning, up to two thirds of the time should be socialising and making friends with people; the rest campaign work.
Nationalism will never attract women. It just isn’t an aphrodisiac to them because it is extremely taboo/esoteric despite underscoring how quintessential they are to rebuilding the master race. The unfortunate part is the most virulent nationalists today are incels, many of whom believe it will change their fortunes. Even the state-funded nationalism of Black Lives Matter is not a matchmaker despite drawing in many women of all races because it just an affectation for them to act cute for social media, yet they still go back to suburbia and sleep with white men after the rally ends. It shouldn’t be this way, but your social/personal problems will not be solved being an activist for your people. You will simply have to find another way for that in addition to activism.
“rebuilding the master race”. Who says we want mastery over anyone or anything apart from our own destiny to remain a distinct people? “the most virulent nationalists today are incels” – the use of the word virulent when used to describe someone’s personality infers that the individual is full of venomous spite – you associate therefore nationalist sentiment with venomous spite. You go on to say that “Black Lives Matter is not a matchmaker despite drawing in many women of all races” BLM was and is not a lets-get-together-and-be-friends social circle but a battering ram used by antifa/communist agitators against the White majority populations in both the US and the UK, even though the latter country was not the source of the instigating incident, namely the death of career criminal, George Floyd. If anything, a great many of the white men on the BLM demos are big-city resident homosexuals – not at all interested in meeting “Miss Right”, apart from of course a few virtue signalling beta-male cucks, desperate to get into the knickers of ANY woman – no matter how grotesque. You claim that “social/personal problems will not be solved by being an activist for your people” – an all-encompassing statement on your part. You then go onto contradict yourself – your final sentence reading “You will have to find another way for that in addition to activism”.
The fact of the matter is that people, particularly those above a certain level of intelligence have to have something to aspire to that is above and beyond their own sense of self. This is realized by socialization with others of the same levels of awareness That is how civilizations are created – and if necessary defended. Incidentally, I think you’ll find that the proportion of non-white male incels is greater than that of white, given that the percentage of incels regardless of race is something like 51% of males aged 18 to 30 and the qualification of being an incel is involuntary celibacy for at least two years. However, admittedly here in the United Kingdom, the proportion of male Pakistani incels is going to be noticeably lower as of course they are frequently married off to their first cousins (quite often with dysgenic results). If they were forced to compete on a level playing field their proportion male incels would be much higher
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