Let’s Break Up the USASpencer J. Quinn
I can’t understand why Steve Sailer thinks the United States must stay intact just because the breakup of the Soviet Union didn’t go as smoothly as it could have. In his recent essay “Let’s Not Break Up the USA,” Sailer serves up a nice dish of erudition regarding post-Soviet republic woes, but offers little more than a Eurasian cautionary tale for those of us who feel a racial divorce might be the best path forward for the white populations in North America. Despite all the potholes Sailer predicts, this remains, in my mind, the less frightening alternative.
First, Sailer reminds us that a sudden fragmentation of the US would be the causes belli Washington would need to launch a war against the separatist states. Of course, no one wants that. He wrote his article a few days after the Russian invasion of Ukraine, and so wishes to impress upon everyone that something similar could happen here as well. Fair enough; war is always a risk when drastic political change occurs. Sailer brings up the bloody disintegration of Yugoslavia in the 1990s as well as post-Soviet squabbles in Georgia and Azerbaijan as examples of how a national crackup may not be all it’s cracked up to be.
To make Sailer’s argument even stronger, Tajikistan (which he does not mention) descended into a horrific, five-year-long civil war immediately after gaining independence from the Soviet Union in the early 1990s. Up to 100,000 died and 1.2 million became refugees. Also unmentioned is Kyrgyzstan, which suffered bloody ethnic strife between Uzbeks and Kyrgyz around the same time. Neither of these countries have turned out to be paragons of stability, with the pair engaging in low-level warfare with each other since April 2021.
In case anyone is worried that the events in Tajikistan might recur in post-secession America, read this summation from Facts and Details to see how unlike the United States Tajikistan really is:
The Tajikistan civil war was a confused, chaotic, multi-sided affair, characterized primarily as a power struggle between competing clans and regions even though it was cast as a battle between neo-Communists and a coalition of moderate Muslims, democrats and intellectuals. The participants in the civil war included clans and warlords who aligned themselves with the neo-Communists and clans and warlords who aligned themselves with a small Islamic force. The warlords wanted control of the country’s meager assets.
Since this dead horse still might not be dead, I have to ask: Will the European Union invade England over Brexit? Will the Czechs and Slovaks duke it out over the Carpathian Mountains? Will Sweden ever seek to regain Norway after relinquishing it in 1905? Sailer doesn’t mention all the times national breakups actually went well, or well enough to be an improvement to how things were prior to then. And while we’re on the subject of the Soviet collapse, why didn’t Sailer mention all the post-Soviet republics that didn’t succumb to strife and warfare after going their own way? We have Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Moldova, Belarus, and Uzbekistan. If the USSR’s demise can serve as a cautionary tale for the unrest it engendered in places like Ukraine, couldn’t it also be an inspiration for its success in all the other republics that used to fly the hammer and sickle?
Sailer seems to get his logic backwards as well. After asserting that breakups in general do not cure what ails unhappy empires, he writes:
This is especially true in the U.S. where political divisions don’t follow ancient ethnic or feudal lines, but instead reflect the cost of real estate, dividing each city from its boondocks, creating an impossible task for anyone charged with drawing a practical new map.
Wouldn’t an overall lack of ancient precedents make splitting up the United States easier to achieve? For example, what would seriously hold back New England Trump voters from joining a peaceful Red State Secession other than a few lugubrious goodbyes and the price of a U-Haul? Roots for many in America are not terribly deep relative to the primeval ethnic strongholds found in central Asia, and so packing up one’s family in a trek from Massachusetts to Montana may seem quite preferable to life under a Left-wing, multiculturalist tyranny. It’s not as if this country weren’t founded by tough, pioneering people willing to move west and start over anew.
So when Sailer brings up how an Armenian enclave in Azerbaijan was the source of ethnic strife in the early 1990s, you can see how his comparison misses the mark. Armenians have been in that part of the world since at least the second century BC. The United States has nothing on that, thank God, and so we shouldn’t necessarily look for post-Soviet trauma in our tea leaves as Sailer does.
Sailer also frets about all the foreign meddling which could occur after the United States’ dissolution — as if there is little foreign meddling now. This argument of his is especially weak. What is the American Israel Public Affairs Committee but foreign meddling to the tune of billions in aid to Israel every year? What is George Soros but foreign meddling on behalf of urban crime and globalism? What is Mexico but foreign meddling through “packing the electorate,” to borrow a phrase from Tucker Carlson? What is China but foreign meddling in the form of practically buying the Democratic Party? I could go on. To be fair, foreign meddling always happens: the Americans do it, the Russians do it. Any country that can meddle in the affairs of other nations will meddle in the affairs of other nations. How could it be otherwise? How could the fragmentation of the United States possibly make this practice more prevalent than it already is? In fact, one of the reasons why many on the Right want to secede to begin with is because of all the foreign meddling we already do have — nearly all of which not coincidentally works counter to the interests of white Americans. So who knows? Maybe a Red State Secession which dedicates itself to Washingtonian non-interventionism (and which Sailer cites in his essay) would reduce the amount of foreign meddling in North America?
Sailer’s biggest mistake, however, is ignoring the rising tide of color in the US, which grows more menacing by the day. Peter Bradley’s American Renaissance essay “Should Whites Put America First?” recalls my own “White First, American Second,” and provides a nice list of recent anti-white initiatives and events which demonstrate how today’s United States belongs less and less to white people:
Last year, I pointed out that the United States of America is no longer our nation. This is hardly an original insight on the Dissident Right, but millions of ordinary white Americans are learning the hard way that they have no place in the United States today. Here is some of the recent news:
- A book by a black man who says the Constitution is “trash” because slave-owning white people wrote it, is the number-one seller in “Civics” on Amazon.
- All but two of the top 25 medical schools in the United States require students to undergo some form of critical race theory
- The Department of Homeland Security will relocate over 2,000 Afghan refugees a month to a conference center in Loudoun County, Virginia. The center is located near two schools.
- A black student in Sacramento was caught on camera scrawling racist graffiti at her high school. The hoax was downplayed as a “prank that went sideways.” A similar incident happened at Southern Illinois University Edwardsville.
- Whites have been sent to the back of the line for medical treatments.
- Oakland, California, just announced a guaranteed income plan for poor BIPOCS; illegal immigrants can apply, but whites cannot.
- A black activist charged with trying to murder a white Kentucky mayoral candidate was released from jail after Black Lives Matter posted a $100,000 bond for him.
- Heterosexual whites are barred from a Morgan Stanley internship program.
- A black man who shot and killed a light skinned Hispanic woman working at a Burger King asks, “Where’s our reparations for 400 years of f**king slavery!”
- A black man in New York burned a white bum to death.
- At the Virginia Military Institute (VMI), black cadets make up 6 percent of the student body but are 43 percent of those expelled for honor code violations. VMI will change the honor code to make it “fair.”
We are now living in a world in which a black can murder a white over an alleged racial slur and get away with it. We are now living in a world in which a Jewish-run, largely non-white organization can post bail for black killers, who then go out and commit mass murder. We now live in a world in which black terrorist organizations can riot or threaten to riot with impunity. We now live in a world in which it is fashionable for our elites to openly vilify and call for violence against whites. I am sure Steve Sailer is aware of all this, but I wonder how seriously he takes it.
Progress used to mean making sure children weren’t worked to death in factories. Progress used to mean relieving some of the burden felt by the poor and working classes. Progress used to mean allowing more freedom for oppressed or marginalized demographic groups. Now, Progress means little more than restricting the influence of white people. That such whites may be children, as in the case of the Covington kids, or working-class, as in the recent trucker convoys, or who are themselves marginalized because of their race, means precious little.
And this is only going to get worse.
I’m a White Nationalist not because I want provoke civil war with the US armed forces today. I’m a White Nationalist because I can see that in a multiracial America, there is no way out for white people. In the worst of all worlds, either we accept our fate and fade into sepia-stained oblivion through oppression and miscegenation, or we wait until our cause is lost before we stand our ground and fight.
But maybe, just maybe, it doesn’t have to be this way. Maybe we can apply enough political pressure today to effect a peaceful and multi-racial (yet white-dominated) Red State Secession movement massive enough to actually work. This is one reason to support Donald Trump in 2024 if he chooses to run again for the presidency. The Left hates him so much that under Trump 2.0, many of them may want to secede as well. And then we’d have a hell of a chance.
It wouldn’t be White Nationalism, but it would be a start. It would also comply with my ISEE theoretical model of white survival, which takes us from Imbalance, which have today, through Struggle, Escape, and ultimately Ethnostate.
Yes, Steve Sailer’s points about war, nuclear and otherwise, are well taken. This is certainly a risk; he just doesn’t see how necessary such a risk is already becoming in today’s multiracial and anti-white United States. He also defeats himself with his own argument. The Soviet breakup gives more reasons than not to believe a split could be achieved, since most of the former Soviet republics did indeed break away peacefully or with minimal strife. Of those that didn’t, only one, Tajikistan, had to endure a long and bloody civil war — and this was the perfect Central Asian storm of competing ideologies, religions, ethnicities, and clans. Could something like this occur in post-secession America? Possibly, but it’s highly unlikely in my opinion.
So why shouldn’t we start pushing for Red State Secession today?
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The problem is ‘Red States’ oftentimes have very large violent black populations. For instance this Monday, a 73 yo white woman is dragged by four black teens in a New Orleans carjacking, and was dragged from the car until her arm is dislodged. Linda Frickey. But Louisiana is a red state. So the problem remains.
It is in the nature of “problems” to remain. It is in the nature of White people to handle problems. If “problems” prevented action, you’d just stay in bed all day. Which would, of course, lead to other problems.
I am tired of “whattabout?”
This is not meant to be antagonistic, but are you female? Your comment strikes me as something a (normal, white) woman might think of. Many “red states” do not have large black populations, though we should also consider that part of what makes Red State whites a bit tougher of mind and character is the daily lesson in realism that living in proximity to blacks provides. OTOH, we shouldn’t exaggerate this too much: after all, the horrors of the Bronx and Newark and Baltimore and Detroit and Chicago’s South Side and Compton etc, don’t seem to make whites in those states more realistic. Perhaps the resolution is that genetically predetermined right-of-center whites become more race realistic if in proximity to blacks, whereas genetically predetermined white liberals and leftists become more hysterical in denying racial reality and clinging to their utopian delusions (with the occasional libtard getting “mugged by reality”).
Anyway, if Red States (which, please remember, are only a proxy for, or secondary solution to, what is optimally needed, which is the all-white Ethnostate) seceded and white conservatives became electorally dominant, the problem of criminally predatory blacks could actually be solved relatively quickly (as I have argued in other comments here). First, we empower very aggressive policing. Second, we completely restore both gun and self-defense (“stand your ground”) rights. Third, we restore draconian criminal penalties, such as routine public executions and long prison sentences involving hard manual labor for convicts. Fourth, we start dramatically slashing (better: eliminating) all forms of welfare for the ablebodied. Fifth, we jettison all antidiscrimination laws, and restore the inviolability of private property rights, and thus freedom of association and disassociation in employment. Sixth, we eliminate any CRT in schools, and instead mandate a more accurate curriculum exclusively celebrating America’s white past.
Taking these steps would have the practical effect of being a non-racist, non-violent version of Dr. Johnson’s “slow cleanse”. Over time, most black criminals would be either shot or caught, and if the latter, either imprisoned or executed (and a great deal of potential crime would be prevented by the mere existence of the harsher regime – this is the “deterrent effect”). Moreover, once the Red State blacks came to see that the White Guilt Gravy Train has now been derailed, vast numbers would undertake a new Great Migration to the newly sovereign Blue States (the steps eliminating welfare and affirmative action privileges thus might well be more important ultimately in terms of mitigating black crime than tougher crime c0ntrol policies themselves).
How would you handle the Jewish problem? A sizable minority of Jews vote Republican, and some wield weighty influence in conservative and libertarian circles. Many are likely to follow Whites into the red states.
Perhaps a legal ban on child circumcision would help.
Well … this is yet another reason why I’m hostile to anti-Christian white preservationism (WP). I’m always looking for non-violent, ethically-permissible ways to ensure WP (as well as sovereignty, liberty and dignity for our people). One approach, I believe, to dealing with the JQ in a peaceable way (and I admit, I’m somewhat more ‘liberal’ on the JQ – less “counter-semitic” – than most WPs; I think white decline is more our own fault than that of the Jews), as well as to dramatically increase both the white population and overall viability of any future Ethnostate, is to build a degree of Christianity into the State apparatus (Dr. Johnson will vigorously oppose this, of course, theoretically and, if ever a real option in the future, politically). I confess, this is what I personally really want, the core of my own ideology: the reactionary resurrection of white Christendom. I would like the Ethnostate to be formally (non-denominationally) Christian, as well as exclusively white. If that were to be the case, I think few Jews would want to relocate to it.
Of course, there could just be a formal ban on Jews obtaining residency in the Ethnostate. But that would raise a lot of Christianist hackles, as many Christians, especially American ones, are also “Christian Zionists”. I believe that Christian Zionism is completely erroneous theologically, but when contemplating the intersection of religion and political demography, it must be noted that many otherwise solid white folks – the kind we absolutely must attract to the Ethnostate concept (whether they eventually relocate there or not; we need some supporters outside the Ethnostate, especially in the early years, as well as a sufficiently large population of whites within, to ensure its ultimate viability) – do embrace some version of it. So even the most neo-Nazi of WPs need to be coldly realistic and thus to tread carefully in crafting JQ policy. Our goal is not to persecute Jews, or other races, but to save our people from oppression and extinction.
Alex Linder’s meme works best. No Jews Just Right.
There is no such thing as a legitimately pro-white jew, regardless of whether a tiny percentage of them might choose to vote for Republicans. The tribal brainwashing that jews have drilled into their offspring for the last 2,000 (or more) years that tells them that White Europeans are their #1 enemy is just too strong and too powerful for any of them to completely overcome. And, do not fall for the deception that the only reason jews hate Whites is because Whites are usually Christians and jews hate Christians because they hated Christ.
Whites who are not religious and who are not interested in attending church or being devout Christians are not exempt from the anti-White machinations of organized jewry. Their hatred for us is based on a racial hatred, which I believe is combined with their sense that Whites pose a threat to their narcissistic obsession to rule the entire world; we are their #1 competitor; hence, their enemy. Their hatred also contains elements of jealousy, envy, and resentment due to the fact that Whites are usually more physically attractive and have given the world untold achievements in science, medicine, architecture, agriculture, technology, etc.
The fact remains that jews have gotten themselves into trouble when allowed to reside within White nations and have been kicked out of at least 109 White nations because of their subversive, degenerate, and exploitative behaviors. So, their hatred for White Europeans is based on their belief that they should be allowed to behave in subversive, degenerate ways and be allowed to exploit and become a parasitic drain on the White race and never receive any punishment for it.
Thus, in any Red State secession fantasy world – the line must be drawn and made a permanent rule that jews will not be allowed to reside within any Red State. If they are not prohibited, the same problems they created that lead to the collapse of the USA will be repeated and the Red State will wind up the same way the USA did.
OK, so a breakup of the USA might lead to civil war.
Whatever happened to “Liberty or Death?”
If White people were to have their own ethnostate, there would be thousands of White lives saved. We could start with the victims of the Waukesha mass homicide and from there all the other killings of Whites perpetuated by the diversity which go unremarked and, not infrequently these decadent days, unpunished. Plus a White ethnostate could establish pro-natalist policies which would expand the population base. In terms of the demographic balance sheet, White people would be waaaaaay out ahead.
This might even be a selling point to minorities. With Whites all in their own separate ethnostate, perpetually aggrieved minorities would no longer be oppressed by all those lynchings and micro-aggressions inflicted upon them by Whites. Just think: no more White motorists terrorizing aspiring rappers by locking their car doors, no more White citizens exercising their 2nd Amendment rights against mostly peaceful looters and arsonists – so oppressed people of color ™ could freely build Wakanda.
As for moving, I’d point out that millions of White Americans (and now White Europeans) have been forced out of the cities their ancestors built because of the crime, dysfunction and rioting produced by the diversity. In any event, today the US Regime is moving millions of people from the third world into the Homeland. The resources currently devoted to resettling “refugees” would sort out the demographic situation in America, peacefully.
This gets back to Secession.
Secession can become a Sorelian myth, a guiding vision for general political action. It’s a way for Whites to not just physically separate from a hostile Regime, but to psychologically disengage from that Regime’s legitimacy. The psychological angle is critical because when people stop believing in the shadows on the cave wall, the Man Behind the Curtain loses his power.
The myth of Secession could unite a wide spectrum of activists around a common goal: White nationalists, libertarians, populists, alt-tech advocates, even minority separatists could get onboard.
Something to think about in the continuing chaos…
The psychological angle is critical because when people stop believing in the shadows on the cave wall, the Man Behind the Curtain loses his power.
I agree that the mythos of Secession must first be internalized by growing numbers of us. I have freed myself from any sense that the Blacks I see in the street and the Potemkin Village deluge of Blacks & Co. I see on the screen are my people.
And from any sense that the people who run the government are anything other than my racial enemies.
It is very unsettling but deeply clarifying.
When I look at the glorious leaders of the red states and the rubes that put them into power, it’s hard to imagine any secession movement producing a desirable outcome.
“Whatever happened to ‘Liberty or Death?’ ”
Sorry to bring the blackpill but it is hard not to on this question. Making a new nation requires statesmen. All I see is clowns.
What a great article, Mr. Quinn. Just forwarded it to multiple friends.
When discussing nationalism with people, I always say that the US should divide up into at least five separate states: black (ethno), white (ethno), red (non-ethno; conservative), blue (non-ethno; liberal), status-quo.
But you’ve really developed your thoughts on this; so I’m going to delve into the details of your ISEE model to inform and refine my own thoughts.
Thank you so much, James. I’m glad my ideas have struck a chord with you. Please forward it far and wide.
I envision the US breaking up at first into multiracial (but white majority) red, multiracial (but white minority) blue, and Hispanic majority umm tan. I think blacks would rather die than have their own ethnostate in North America. And after being chased out of red and tan would occupy ghettos in the blue areas just like they do now. It is from this mix that Mexico will engulf the tan areas, the blue areas will descend into chaos and tyranny, and stage 4 of the ISEE model will occur in the red area, probably long after most of us are gone.
This is the most optimistic scenario I can envision.
Greater Idaho as an American Switzerland. The mountains offer defense and the deep loess soils can sustain us. Over centuries, Spokane blossoms into a new Zurich. Like the actual Switzerland, Idaho will be renown for its gun culture and sound banking system. Perhaps it won’t be 100% European, but like Singapore we’ll be by far the dominant ethnicity. We’ll have amicable relations with the Chinese protectorate state of Cascadia, from which we can trade.
Sounds far fetched but with vision and a long enough time horizon, anything is possible for us.
In Stage 4: Ethnostate, what do you mean by “the Left continues to engulf both
Left- and Right-wing societies”? If the non-racial Right has previously seceded in Stage 3, how would the Left engulf a right-wing society?
Maybe something like this.
After ethnats split off from the Right state, it will be left with conservatives and civnats.
1. Quinn considers these types to be leftists.
2. Their state will fail to stop mass migration; they’ll hold out for longer than the Left state but eventually be inundated by left-leaning new citizens.
3. It won’t be long before the left takes hold of their institutions as they did ours.
2 and 3, I would say. Basically, only firm race and gender realism can resist encroachment from the left. The non-racial Right does not have this and believes instead that tradition, religion, economics, and civic nationalism are enough. They are not, and ultimately they will succumb as well or try to join us.
This will never work, not in a billion years? Why? Because EVERYONE will demand to live in the “red state” nation.
The concept of “revealed preferences” will assert itself. The white liberals in San Francisco and Seattle who vote for progressive anarchy also live in gated, heavily surveilled wealthy white communities. They vote to support teachers unions and for more money for public schools while sending their kids to expensive private schools.
Blacks? Blacks know there is one thing they absolutely must have in order to survive…access to White civilization and largesse. If American-Africans were completely cut off from White civilization and money, they’d all be dead within five years. They know this, instinctively.
Jews, Hispanics, etc etc etc would all flock en masse to the RedState Nation. Who the hell would want to live in a post apocalyptic blue state hellhole of pedophilia, soy milk and unrestrained Negro criminality? No one.
You mentioned Montana. I live here. Yes, we have endured a tsunami of refugees from California, Portland, Seattle, New York and other ruined progressive dystopias. They come here to escape the degradation and collapse they helped create, but they learn nothing. They bring their liberal theology and progressive fantasies with them, and vote and act accordingly. Locusts. When they ruin my town they’ll move on. Meanwhile I have to live, work and raise my kids here.
There will be no separation or national divorce that will be even remotely peaceful or amicable. It would be the bloodiest civil war in history if we tried to separate from leftists. They would claw at us with their dying breaths.
What then, would you say is the point of Counter-Currents? Why are you here if you are hopeless?
If the point of Counter Currents is to advocate for a peaceful, consensual, “multi-racial” division of the USA into ethnostates occurring without an ocean of blood being spilled, then I’d have to agree with you. It has no point.
I didn’t hear you disagree with a thing I said, by the way. Instead, a meek ad hominem attack alleging that I am “hopeless”. Realism and hopelessness are two entirely different things, Doc.
This scenario, division within the USA, played out in H.A. Covington’s novels which are entertaining tho far-fetched fiction. This is of course his Brigade (2008) which is part of a 5 book series. His NW American Republic was founded though by a guerilla insurrection against the regular American Republic.
This caused a polarization of society as many Latins saw the writing on the wall and got out. According to his book, white liberals were not harassed in the “contested zone” unless they actively aided the US Gov’t or fought against Covington’s NorthWest Volunteer Army.
I don’t recall Blacks having much of a major role in this, the 4th book of the series, except pretty much as tools or targets.
Once the fighting began tho I expected 99% of them to leave. There were not many non-whites in the NW region in Covington’s time. Once they won the Revolution, they made it illegal for Black people to remain in their new country. Of course, this would never be possible in reality as Blacks would simply refuse to leave which is part of why it’s just a far-fetched fiction novel.
The series is very well written and enjoyable for those so inclined. Still available in print from various sources.
I agree on some aspects of Harold Covington’s Northwest Quintet novels being far-fetched like the rapid advancement after the War of Independence of the NAR in terms of energy production, military training (that translated into later overwhelming military victory), military weapons technology over that of the rest of the world without the tech being copied by spies or exposed, and the lack of greater push-back by the subhuman populations being forced out of the region through threats and violence perpetrated by the NVA.
Still I believe the five books and most importantly the Butler Plan and the Northwest Front handbook represent the best blueprint going forward for the survival of our people. Just like in the books eventually the violence and threats by the White militias (I personally do not call for violence or support it being perpetrated in any way) towards the nonwhites would become so unbearable that many would leave but yes you are partially right in that in reality most of them would stay put initially.
Here is where I think that unlike your take on this plan being fiction Covington actually hit closer to reality. Another economic component of the struggle would be introduced just as the Old Man wrote. The NVA started threatening and attacking minority owned businesses as well as any White-owned businesses that hired non-whites until the minority-owned ones shut down and moved out and the White-owned ones switched to ethno-hiring practices in accordance with the wishes of the NVA. Eventually many minorities and subhumans left because they couldn’t survive without a steady job or later on in the war they started to be shunned from visiting businesses and shops or the violence around them or directed at them became unbearable.
These are components that could be translated into direct action by a future white-nationalist army (again I do not call for this or any violence.) Other steps in the books such as the targeted shutdown of payroll taxes would dry up the revenue from the region into D.C. and reduce some of the welfare given back to it especially considering how cash strapped the US already is. This could be a big problem for ZOG as the petrodollar collapses.
I would think that once gibmedats and welfare dry up as well as them being turned away from every hospital, medical clinic, grocery store and dance hall most non-whites would see the writing on the wall and plan accordingly for a quick exit. Tyrone’s problems would compound evermore with the amount of disdain and ridicule local Whites heap upon him and her as the locals become more racially aware and educated. The ones still left behind at the end of the war or peaceful separation which I suspect would be very few unfortunately will have to be removed outside of the country’s borders for the racial purity laws put in place would make racial contamination of the people or land a crime.
I and anyone else if this was to happen would want this process to be as peaceful and unobtrusive as possible as the person is gently transported with their belongings over the border or they are given safe passage in their car or vehicle to that destination. Unfortunately those minorities that are still around after the war and troubles will prove to be the most stubborn and feral of them all and I suspect that violence will always be on the menu with those holdouts and with that the reader can make his/her own judgement on what that will entail.
I as well as many of these commenter’s around me want a peaceful separation of the country with as little loss of life as possible and continued diplomatic and economic relations with the separated sections afterward. Still anyone who knows human nature and history knows that no country or power ever gave up its territory or people without some form of violence entailing it whether it be diplomatic, economic or physical and ZOG would be no different in this respect.
I still think about the The Northwest Quintet and the characters within it everyday even six months after finishing the last book. I agree with you in that every book is very well written and I also add that they will keep you obsessively interested until the very end. Books like these are a Whitepill for everyone not because they are fictional stories to distract us from racial suffering but because they represent a glimpse of what is possible within a victory for whites worldwide.
Since big retailers blacklisted Harold Covington’s books and the shady nature of some online sellers I recommend all interested readers buy an E-reader (e-ink versions are easy on the eyes), search archive dot org or a free book online depository and download the books in question (use a VPN or Tor and a private window for security) “The Brigade,” “A Distant Thunder,” “A Mighty Fortress,” “Hill of the Ravens,” and “Freedom Sons” (the order I read them, although they can be read in any order but please start with “The Brigade” as it sets the tone.)
Looks like my paragraph spacing got messed up in the submission even though I did separate them. Hopefully everyone can still read the brick.
Hi A.R. Hess,
It seems your paragraph formatting worked just fine; I didn’t see that evil brick formatting that sometimes occurs.
I believe H.A. Covington wrote The Brigade series as sort of a blueprint for how a civil war leading to a white separatist state might occur. Also, I abhor violence in any form and think, like yourself, that peaceful solutions would be better.
There are a number of peaceful solutions just as restraining excessive illegal & legal immigration and not encouraging the dumbest fraction of our population to have nearly all the children.
My comment about the difficulty in getting non-whites to leave the new country (NAR: NorthWest American Republic) after the war was somewhat facetious, however. After the war, I think children were escorted across the border and given to the care of the old USA. Adult POCs of either* sex, however, were notified that any remaining in-country beyond a certain date would be summarily shot. In the book, this simple clear messaging proved highly effective at getting them to relocate.
The economic warfare practiced in the book is another interesting aspect of the story that many sensationalist authors, like Tom Clancy, neglect. With his stories it’s all about aircraft carriers and missile submarines yet none of these popular authors even touch upon the societies behind civil wars. In contrast, however, Covington’s use of science and technology is poorly researched and done. A lot of his concepts are not practical. He was basing this tho on the fact that the overwhelming percent of hard scientific discoveries are made by whites. The old US, having many POCs in high Gov’t positions was not able to compete with the NAR technologically nor strategically, although I imagine this gulf would take some years to fully develop.
I’ve had several E-readers. One died completely when I changed the battery after it would no longer hold a charge. I replaced the rechargeable battery but then the device would never boot again, thus I had to get a new one. For archival purposes I still prefer hard copies of books.
* At this time, there were only 2 known human sexes. Covington simply didn’t address the issue of trans individuals.
One benefit of secession is to impose controls on who can immigrate from blue states. And to decide who among the current residents deserves residency.
The ISEE model is brilliant. Thank you. It solves one of the problems I’ve been thinking about when it comes to secession.
The problem is this: blacks are more demanding when they think whites are sympathetic. As support for secession grows, whites will become less sympathetic. As a counter, I could see the Jewish elite and black bourgeoisie conspiring to suppress abrasive black elements, which would then reduce support from whites for secession.
But your ISEE model solves this by making the first break non-racial. Instead, we break on ideology and only later on race.
Thank you, Viv. I appreciate the kind words, and I’m glad you can relate to the ISEE model. Hopefully it will keep gaining traction among our people.
That what I’ve been saying (and a lot of other people, too). I was thinking this decades ago. First, you get white conservatives to secede. Then eventually the conservatives will be in a better position to be educated into race realism. EVERYTHING depends upon sovereignty. Without sovereignty which WE can electorally/demographically control, we (white Americans, but ultimately the white race itself) are doomed. Red State secession is Step One.
[Note: I believe we are doomed anyway. But we have to try – and in doing so may just convert a rout into a rally. As Wayne Gretzsky once famously said, “You miss 100% of the shots you don’t take.”]
If demographics is destiny, demographics is NOW. Benjamin Franklin taught that white is a euphemism for English. There is no white (English) nation to come, except, English-Utah. French-Irish New England would be New Celtica. New York/New Jersey to OR/WA along the 36th Parallel has the same dominant majority demographic as Sweden to Italy–call it Germania Grande. The south-east might be called Region of the Afro-Saxon. The south-west is the Spanosphere. That restores ethno-themed regime culture to America. That ends the lowest common denominator society that is a legacy of the English “founding stock,” which is less than 10% of the population today, meaning the white population is less than 10% now. Their political influence over 75% of the county will be over with the breakup, which would be great. No evangelical nuts or blue-hairs to push for war after war on the world. No racialist would care to preserve British-serving genocidal America, which keeps its genocidal foot on Europe to the present moment. Whether America dissolves in peace or fire, dissolution would be a blessing for the world. David Lane had a good statement on that in his prison interview. Stephen Marche, in the Washington Post (CIA-deepstate newspaper of record), “The United States might well be better off as separate countries. It might be healthier, more rational, less prone to violence. Secession would not have to be seen as a failure, given the tensions tearing the country apart. Yes, there are good reasons for breaking up the United States, beyond the nationalist aspirations of the secessionists.” (December 31, 2021)
This means that the ruling scum have conceded to the breakup before the first shot has been fired. The USG is not worth preserving and they won’t preserve it. They are just looking for the most responsible vision and movement to come along to support…like at Ethnopower (dot)com. We need ethno-realism to break up the country. This topic has come up before and everyone who brings it up flubs it because they don’t look at the real demographics to see what is what is needed to **preempt** problems before they start, (which includes avoiding landlocked areas) to have a viable, simple, and credible plan.
In addition to the red state secession project I think there’s also a project for a convention of the states to revamp the constitution. I think a lot of our grievances would be mitigated if the federal government went back to a more downplayed role a la the articles of confederation. That of course would mean curtailing federal power which is likely not to happen. In certain respects, the federal government as we know it today has become what the crown was to the colonies. I just don’t think the current paradigm of one side gets to be in power while the other side tries to subvert it, then once the other side wins it does the polar opposite of what the previous administration did just can’t stand.
The other issue is the mythos of “our diversity is our greatest strength.” This is essentially state religion. I think Jared Taylor put it best, white people put aside group identity and looked at everyone as individuals while other groups kept their group identities.
Great essay. It reinforces positions I’ve come to independently. The way to White Identity Nationalism is through virtual secession (states rights, nullification), which has far broader support than WIN but creates the conditions for self-governing White Autonomous Zones (ethnostates in al but name). As for ‘civil war’, people seem to forget that the South was at a distinct disadvantage industrially to the North and yet came close to winning a number of times. Also, the North was able to insulate itself from the effects of the war in the South. Such would not be the case in a modern, guerilla-style struggle in an economy that is so very dependent on delicate supply chains. Immediate ‘human collateral damage’ as a result of targeting supply chain choke-points will depend on the season, but within a year, one could be looking at causalities in the minimum range 30-40% of the total population.
As for DC committing violence short of outright warfare, that will do them more harm than good. A lot of people’s first awakening to dissident politics was due to the federal mass murders in Waco and Ruby Ridge. How many more of those kinds of events does anyone think the Feds can survive without making the situation worse? I say ‘zero’.
I am not keen on the use of the term ‘secession’. It puts the cart way before the horse. The people who think they can secede haven’t even tried to use the existing means of governance to nullify federal power. It’s a fantasy that they will have the skills and spine to actually secede.
I could be wrong. But no street-level action taken in ‘conservative’ or ‘red’ states has convinced me that there’s any talent or will there to go beyond ‘resistance’ to outright nullification, let alone actual secession. The Truckers’ Convoy was just one more example of how amateur and unfocused most ‘conservatives’ and ‘right-wingers’ are.
It’s why White Identity Nationalists need to develop the leadership cadre that can provide the organizational and networking infrastructure for a more general ‘red’ populist movement. A political movement doesn’t have to be overtly about WIN in order to set the stage for win’s for WIN.
Since the Civil War, states have continually lost autonomy to the federal government. Organizations like the Federalist Society have been failures. There are less State and regional differences than before. Why do you think this can now work?
At every juncture where states asserted their ‘rights’ the federal authorities used force or the threat of force and the fig leaf of kritarchic decisions to get their way. Also, you will find multiple decades of Republican and Democrat perfidy in various state houses and governor’s mansions facilitating the prostration. But lots of people – especially White people – are no longer willing to defer to judges or ‘the national guard’. Times have changed. I don’t think secession is desirable, but if it can be accomplished and that’s what the people in an area want, then so be it. My opposition to secession is that it take a hard line and paints a big target on the secessionists that really isn’t needed to get 100% of what they want.
I’ve long considered a solution that I believe could actually work. Inspired by Dr. Johsons article, I call it the REVERSE “Slow Cleanse”.
It’s essentially the application of Von Clausewitz’s principle of concentration of forces.
For reasons beyond the ability of my thumbs to type, I believe that the Slow Cleanse as originally described is unlikely to work In our current political environment.
But NOTHING is stopping any American from moving from one state to another!
So instead of repatriating the minorities, why dont we educate and encourage whites to move from bluer to redder states, states that already have white super majorities (80-95%)
Fortunately, these states all happen to be in a single contiguous area of the west, with Texas (the least white, admittedly) being the keystone with its access to the Gulf
In a nutshell, the Reverse SC will involve WN thought leaders creating a campaign to encourage “our people” (whether they are redpilled already or, more importantly, normies and conservatives who are ready to accept the red pill, to emigrate out of blue states (and red states that are outside of the following geographical region….ie Florida…cut off) and into the following states….
MT, WY, CO, ID，UT, ND, SD, KS, Ok, TX and maybe AZ and NM.
It would create a massive brain drain and productivity/tax base drain on those states. They woild become zombie states.
Simultaneously, it would do the reverse to the receiving states.
Perhaps more importantly, it would deprive the blue states being drained of actual seats in the house, and add more to the receiving states.
Middle America would be immeasurably strengthened, and would become a much more powerful bloc in US politics.
A contiguous, massive, and massively white defacto ethnostate which could then potentially have enough clout to push for and successfully achieve peaceful secession.
Just my two cents….I’m sure there are myriad drawbacks and whatabouts to this theory, and I heartily welcome any and all debate on the idea.
Once this ethnostate is achieved, the ACTUAL Slow Cleanse can begin from within the ethnostate.
Surrounding states, (ex Minnesota down to Louisiana) will become more and more desperate to defect from the dying IS
As a preconditon of annexation into the ethnostate, these neighboring states must achieve a certain % quota of white population (80%?, 85?). Once part of thr ethnostate, these states will then be subject to federal slow cleanse programs.
Eventually, a huge geographical portion of the defunct United States of America will be subsumed into the ethnostate.
They can keep California and New York. The blacks can have the south. Everyone else has to go.
White consolidation in the west—>seccession—->slow cleanse—->gradual, progressive annexation/reconquest—->complete the Slow Cleanse.
I like this solution because it can be started, by US, TODAY.
It will just take WN thought leadership, money, will, and marketing and organizing power.
It can be done!
I used exactly this strategy to great effect in many, many games of Risk. When in a position of weakness, Instead of defending many weak fronts from attacks on all sides, I would concentrate all my forces in a single, out of the way territory (usually asia) As my enemies fought amongst themselves, (and left me alone) I would bide my time and continue stacking forces. When the time was right I struck outward and conqured whole continents in a single turn.
I would suggest that you really consider whether ‘red’ states are, in fact, pro-White. Most ‘red’ states are run by governors whose offices were bought with piles of PAC money provided by people who look White but hate us.
I was recently in Sarasota/Longboat Key area and couldn’t believe how pristine, White, joyous, and low-crime the whole stunningly beautiful area was. That’s an America I’d be happy to pay high taxes in.
“Civil War 2” by Thomas Chittum was written in 1994. It is his prediction for how the U.S. would collapse into a civil war, based primarily on race. Some of his predictions have come true and the book is still relevant. You can get a free PDF or kindle copy for free on various websites. He predicted race riots and the politicians reaction to them. He also predicted how diversity would have negative effects on both the military and law enforcement.
Chittum also predicted the year the break up beginning as 2020. It would start with small portions of cities claimed as autonomous by ragtag ethnically defined groups. I am glad someone here mentioned Civil War 2 as I don’t think it gets enough credit. It seems to be a good guide for where we are headed. His discussion of how the demise of the United States is a lesson for the world is simple yet profound.
I don’t think the blue states will allow peaceful secession because they need the weight of the red states to keep the economic backing of the dollar. Without that, the dollar is not the global reserve currency. Without that status, our deficit spending would result in hyperinflation. The smart ones know this and will send the dumb ones to die to stop secession.
We must fight to make this whole country based. Secession is viable only to draw the battle lines of the Reconquista.
Agree. The last attempt in 1861 didn’t end very well.
Look, I’m all for this. But the last attempt back in 1861 didn’t go so well. I’m more concerned with how many young and even old White lives would be lost in all this, which I fear would contribute to the dwindling of the White population even more. You can bet your bottom dollar that certain “people” would all be hiding during Civil War 2.0 and only to come out after it’s all over and complain about their property losses so they could squeeze more dollars out of y’all in the name of “reparations. History does repeat itself as a farce the second time around.
I fully support the ISEE model. It is very similar to things I have discussed with like-minded people IRL. However, I think local secession/redistricting, nullification, and other means of obstructing federal power at a state and local level are pre-requisites for outright secession.
A good step towards this direction would be pushing red-state GOPs to adopt laws not just preventing state agency cooperation with unconstitutional gun directives (as a number of states have done), but also providing for arrest and prosecution of federal agents who attempt to enforce directives contrary to the Constitution and/or state law (i.e. de facto nullification). Outright nullification of current federal gun laws would be a further step. Another good step towards red state autonomy would be de-federalizing state National Guards, which would undermine Washington’s ability to respond to nullification with force. State-level establishment of public banks (like in North Dakota) and efforts to reduce local/state dependence on federal grant money would also be good, but more difficult options. Overall, we have to encourage as many red voters as possible to see Washington as an illegitimate occupation government which is to be obstructed at all costs rather than as a prize to be retaken. Getting dissidents elected to Congress can sometimes be useful, but mainly insofar as it assists us in obstructing federal power.
Numerous initiatives by red counties to join neighboring states have also developed over the years, and while these are not likely to succeed in the short-run, they are as useful a psychological tool as any other secession initiative. Anything which encourages Whites (and these movements are disproportionately White and rural) to psychologically separate themselves from the establishment (and, at least implicitly, the rootless cosmopolitanism of urban America) is a positive development.
As far as state secession is concerned, I think the best possible place for the multiracial red-state secession described in this article would be Alaska. The demographic situation there is not as great for Whites as many people seem to think, but it is relatively solidly conservative and has already passed bills preventing the enforcement of certain federal statutes in 2013. It also has a more well-established pre-existing independence movement (the Alaskan Independence Party) than most states and a much briefer history of statehood than any of the continental states. Being geographically detached from the mainland US, having easy coastal access, vast remote areas, and substantial energy resources would give an independent Alaska the ability to handle an adversarial breakup with Washington that a landlocked secession movement in Idaho, Montana, Appalachia, or the Midwest would not have. Finally, Pacific Rim access and a historical connection to a rival power (Russia) would also give independent Alaska opportunities to solidify its geopolitical position that would not be feasible for breakaway states elsewhere in North America.
There are a number of obstacles, such as rural Alaska’s heavy dependence on federal programs and funds, that make this proposition unlikely for now, but these issues are far less insurmountable than those faced by secessionist activists in the lower 50.
Overall, I agree that national separation is a good goal, but there are a lot of intermediary steps to get us there.
The best way to save America (but also, to buy more time for white awakening and thus the eventual ethnostate) is to push for Calexit and/or California expulsion. Can a state be expelled from the Union by some number of other states? Without CA, the Federal Government would come to be dominated by the GOP, and then the USA would have a shot at ending the immigration invasion, which in turn is the ultimate precondition for any eventual white ethnostate, as the latter requires stabilizing the demographic situation now. White America has been being slowly conquered since the 60s. We are nearly at the point where the conquest is complete. Once we have been fully conquered, the only possibility for an ethnostate will be total national collapse (something which I, unlike many or most prowhites, don’t think will happen any time soon: race-delusional whites are not necessarily incompetent in other areas, meaning we could experience many more decades, even centuries, of continued civilizational decline before complete, “Mad Max” level collapse).
I’m afraid this embryonic movement still needs to sort out of a lot details, especially matters of the economy, military, treasury, etc. “What would seriously hold back New England Trump voters from joining a peaceful Red State Secession other than a few lugubrious goodbyes and the price of a U-Haul?” Well, lots. Such as economic opportunity, lifestyle, family, housing…
The problem is that most suburban leftists have not yet felt the pain of the direction they are sending the country. Feeling like they are voting for a good cause helps with their ennui and dissatisfaction in life. A good streak of car jackings in their neighborhood does help them get an appropriate prescription for their long outmoded eyeglass blinders.
Anti-whiteness and especially anti-white male trends are the main enemy. This fussing over gender is a trifle. Since blue haired, bitter far-leftist women have instigated much of this I enjoy watching them have an awokening when transgender athletes routinely rout them (even in TV Jeopardy). And I’m not anti woman… I just like them even tempered and reasonable.
I do like the model/diagrams in this type of article. This is a very optimistic scenario that fails to account of political and media propaganda that will frighten the centrists. If you can’t yet persuade Steve Sailer, a few more sketches need to be forthcoming.
Steve Sailer has been on a roll of late and I praise his subtle takes on COVID (“The Missing Piece”), Putin, the black woman only supreme court nomination or deep thinking about our greatest rival, China (“The Unicultural Edge”).
Anyhow, this group of sympathizers here need to start by regularly voting. All these utopian dreams and then one of the writers lets everyone know they are too bummed to vote.
I see the continental United States devolving into the condition of South America, that is to say a patchwork of Latin American dominated polities with White(*) (or mixed-White) elites and a Black underclass. To some extent then, the demographics will have reverted to the pre-Colombian status quo ante. Canada, though thoroughly colonised by East and South Asians, may well become a refuge for poorer whites seeking an approximation to European standards of law and business. All else will be chaos.
It is sad to say this, but I see the centuries-long European project to erect new Western nations in the primal wildernesses of America and Oceania crumbling into ruin, just as it did in Africa. Yet even the future of our peoples’ homelands, in the continent of Europe, hangs in the balance. Britain and France are likely lost — victims of their own historic arrogance and greed, lest we forget. Whether anything to the East can be salvaged is the vital question.
(*) I count Jews as White, though as with Tolkien’s Noldor, they have their own sorrows.
Good point that the situation in Central Asia differs from that between white countries. In the United States secession between whites would probably be peaceful, but Hispanics and especially African Americans would probably not be so peaceful about it.
The situation with African Americans is complicated because most of the ones that live in the ghetto don’t like white people– especially the men ages 18 to 50. However, Suburban blacks don’t harbor as much resentment on average, although many of them can be quite nasty too.
African immigrants and Afro-Caribbeans don’t hate white people like African Americans do. Group conflict tends to be more ethnic than purely racial.
Middle Eastern immigrants and Hispanics seem to integrate the best with whites of all non-whites. This is not surprising given their relative genetic similarity as compared with other non-whites.
Non-whites tend to cluster more in cities and coastal areas so secession based on those two areas might help the cause of white survival.
The biggest problem is not that segregation isn’t possible or plausibly peaceful but that most white people have lost their way and don’t understand or want to understand the need for it.
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