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The Politics of Meat:
Dietary Marxism

Shawn Baker, M. D.

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Since going on the carnivore diet, I’ve also been delving deeply into Carnivore subculture. It has been an eye-opening experience. As we are constantly being reminded, Americans are now divided along political lines like never before. What kind of car you drive, where you shop for groceries, whether or not you smoke, what kind of regional accent you have, whether or not you live in a city, whether you hunt or own a gun, what programs you watch, where you get your news, whether you went college, what you majored in, who (or what) you have sex with, and, yes, what you eat: all of it is now political. Even before delving into Carnivore culture, I had suspected that it was going to be crypto-right-wing. I was wrong, however — but only about the “crypto.”

The first clue, of course, is that Jordan Peterson and his daughter are advocates of the diet. But that didn’t mean much to me, since Peterson doesn’t really impress me as being much of a conservative (or much of anything, for that matter). Peterson talked about it on Joe Rogan, who has now tried the diet and reported good results. This was not, however, primarily due to Peterson, but to another guest that Rogan had on his show, Dr. Shawn Baker.

Baker, 53, is a 6-foot-5, square-jawed, hypermasculine, bodybuilding orthopedist who served as a combat trauma surgeon with the US Air Force in Afghanistan. Prior to that, he was in charge of the nuclear weapons launch system at F. E. Warren Air Force Base in Cheyenne, Wyoming, where he was named Missile Combat Crew Commander of the Year. Before the military, he played professional rugby in New Zealand. This missile-hefting mesomorph has emerged as the leading light of the all-meat movement. Baker, who named his first child Saxon (hmmm. . .), is the author of The Carnivore Diet, published by Victory Belt, a company owned by Erich Krauss, professional Muay Thai kickboxer and co-author (or ghostwriter) of books by Anderson Silva, B. J. Penn, Forrest Griffin, and other MMA superstars.

Baker begins his book with the story of how he came to Carnivore. It’s pretty much the same story told by every one of the diet’s advocates. It begins when he considers the possibility that everything he’s been told about eating healthy is wrong. But in order to engage in this sort of questioning, about any topic, one has to already have a healthy predisposition toward freethinking. Baker writes at one point: “When I ask someone what the ‘truth’ is about a topic, the person often looks at me as if I’m some kind of weirdo. I may, in fact, be weird, but that’s beside the point, which is that often we don’t know what the truth is because we consider the ‘truth’ to be whatever we’ve heard the most. We see this in religion, politics, and nutrition.”

Such questioning does not usually begin with diet, but with some other area. We discover that everything the authorities tell us about topic X is a lie, then we begin to consider whether everything might be a lie. It’s a familiar pattern with those of us on the Dissident Right. I started my political journey in the mid-90s by challenging conventional wisdom on a certain topic — and then I just kept on challenging. After a while, I developed a simple methodology: on considering any issue, begin by entertaining the possibility that the truth is the exact opposite of what we have been told. This approach has made me the complete and total pariah that I am today.

The rise of the Carnivores reflects the general breakdown of trust in authority that has beset the US at least since Watergate, and has now become acute in the wake of the unhinged Establishment response to Donald Trump. Polls show that trust in the media and in government is now at an unprecedented low. Even trust in our so-called “experts” has also taken a hit, including the medical profession. Doctors now seem to be in the business of hooking patients on pills, or hoodwinking them into unnecessary surgeries. When Shawn Baker refused to perform unnecessary but lucrative surgeries on patients, his hospital colleagues conspired to have him “investigated” and to have his medical license revoked. It has since been reinstated, and Dr. Baker exonerated, but you would never know this from vegans, who insist on mentioning that Baker’s license was revoked whenever his name comes up.

Not surprisingly, trust in the medical profession — and in government, and media — is highest among the elderly. My parents were smart people, but they basically thought that the heads on TV weren’t allowed to lie, and that doctors are divine emissaries dispatched from Olympus to heal us. With everyone under 80, that trust is long gone. All authority has broken down, and we are alone. Nobody is coming to save us; in fact, nobody seems to give a damn about anybody else anymore. It is an age of acute questioning and skepticism. And it was only a matter of time before everything we thought we knew about nutrition got challenged.

What if the gospel of healthy eating that’s been shoved down our throats for years is actually a swindle? We’ve known for a long time that the “food pyramid” we learned in school is a complete and total lie, a product of collusion between the United States Department of Agriculture and big agribusiness. The pyramid inverts the truth, demanding that the bulk of our nutrition come from bread, cereal, rice, and pasta, followed by giant heaps of fruits and vegetables, followed by tiny dollops of meat (I guess the meat industry has a lot less pull). Do you suppose there could be any connection between the food pyramid and the fact that fully 40% of Americans are now classified as obese?

What if meat not only isn’t going to kill us (as vegans like to claim), but is exactly what our bodies need in order to be healthy? What if we don’t actually need carbs or veggies? What if veggies are actually bad for us? It was Dave Asprey who was responsible for popularizing the idea that vegetables contain toxic chemicals that deter animals from eating them. These chemicals are the reason most plants are not edible. Even Popeye’s beloved spinach contains toxins that are neutralized only when it is cooked (and sometimes not even then). You see, the plants don’t want to be eaten either.

What if we don’t need fiber to poop? Baker writes, amusingly, “I don’t recall the early Arctic explorers having to administer enemas to the Inuit populations when they arrived. Perhaps the handful of berries the Inuits would occasionally eat in the summer was sufficient for keeping them regular throughout the rest of the year.” The Inuits, in case you don’t know, subsist entirely on a meat-based diet (or did so when last heard from).

Further, what if veganism is actually a one-way ticket to disease and even madness? It is when Carnivore and vegan collide that the political aspects of diet are brought out in bold relief. It is also when the Carnivore lifestyle begins to look like something much more than a prescription for healthy eating. It begins to look, in fact, like a political reaction against limp, soy boy effeminacy and the entire worldview that makes it possible.

As you might imagine, vegans are ever so slightly “triggered” by the Carnivore Diet. If ever they needed an archenemy, a Blofeld or a Lex Luthor, they found it in Shawn Baker. Baker is, in fact, the very embodiment of everything that is hated and despised by the sort of people who are drawn to veganism. He is a jock. He is ex-military. He is a powerlifter. He eats four pounds of beef a day and isn’t shedding any tears over Bossy the Cow. “Yes, it’s harsh to talk about animals as food,” Baker writes, “but ultimately that is what they are.” And if we go way, way back (in time and in the dark depths of the vegan soul) he is the guy who called them “fag” in the fifth grade and ridiculed their unprepossessing manhood when it got exposed after gym class. Their entire outlook on life is founded in ressentiment against the Shawn Bakers of this world.

At first, Baker was delighted to debate with vegans. But what followed was predictable:

Soon I realized that these people were completely invested in an ideology and would not be swayed no matter what facts were presented to them. I quickly found that when I asked, “Would you eat meat if it would improve your health?” the answer was always, “No!” To me, this response indicated complete irrationality; I muted and eventually blocked these people on social media because interacting with them became a huge waste of time and energy. Ironically, some of them ultimately told me that they gave up veganism and improved their health after following my work.

And then, right on cue . . . (wait for it, wait for it): “More and more vegans started attacking me; some even compared me to Satan and Hitler.” Of course, the irony of comparing Baker to Hitler is completely lost on these people: Hitler was a fanatical vegetarian. Then again, that was a very long time ago. Today, vegetarianism and veganism are almost exclusively associated with Leftist politics. Just as you’re not going to see any Teslas in the parking lot at the gun show, so you’re probably never going to meet a vegan or vegetarian who didn’t vote for Hillary.

Baker’s analysis of veganism suggests that there is a high correlation between the diet and insanity. Of course, here we face a chicken and egg problem: did veganism drive them mad, or did madness lead them to choose veganism? I would suggest that it’s a bit of both: veganism tends to dramatically worsen the mental state of the fragile, life-denying weaklings who are attracted to it. (There are even vegans so insane they’ve tried to force the diet on their cats and dogs.) Of course, some of these people come to their senses, and Baker offers case studies, including one involving a girl named “Mindy”:

Over the next six months [after adopting veganism], Mindy became more and more negative in her interactions with people in her online community. She even began to advocate for violence against people who ate or produced meat. After an episode of intractable vomiting that led to severe dehydration, she checked herself into a hospital. She weighed only 94 pounds. The doctors at the hospital rehydrated her via intravenous fluids and controlled her vomiting with medications. [Emphasis added]

Fortunately, according to Baker, Mindy turned to meat and made a full recovery. In one of his YouTube videos, Baker features a clip of a young Asian-American vegan who has smeared herself with feces. “Look at me covered in feces!” she says, with a kind of “Let’s all drink the Kool-Aid” tone. “I am just so gorgeously covered. Isn’t that beautiful?! And I do this to glorify God, to put my ego into remission.” She then begins giggling maniacally. “Do you think? [Giggle] Do you think at all? [Giggle, giggle] No, you’re not thinking, are you? So this is my ego . . . it’s so . . . so [convulses in laughter].”

Of course, videoing the whole thing and putting it on social media for thousands to see and “like” is hardly a sign of an ego in remission. The narcissism of these vegan-SJW-hipster-soy boy types has actually gotten downright spooky, hasn’t it? It’s as if there is no one inside their bodies. They are all just surface: display, signaling, and abject conformity. Baker’s comment about this wacko is priceless: “Okay, if you wake up in the morning and decide you want to cover your body and face in feces, clearly something is not right. I don’t know how many steaks it would take to fix this person, but it’s going to be a lot.”

For me, the most fascinating part of Baker’s book is where he quotes a comment left by a vegan on one of his YouTube videos. The comment reads as follows:

Carnists [i.e., meat eaters] are triggered and worried. They know their way of life of eating animal flesh will end soon. They feel threatened. It’s just a matter of time before all people on the planet will be vegan. Carnism is not sustainable. We activists target children, teaching them the loving ways of veganism and an all-plant diet. Eventually, laws that are fueled by vegan activism will be enacted to make it illegal to kill animals for food. New generations will come into power, armed with vegan knowledge to change the landscape. The few carnist holdouts will have no choice but to go vegan or face prison and even death. You will discover it’s wonderful, healthy, and compassionate. Carnism will soon be a thing of the past. There is nothing to fear.

Note the claims of historical inevitability: meat-eating is “not sustainable”; it will come to an end. It will be replaced by veganism. The revolution will inevitably sweep the entire globe, and usher in a new era of vegan humanity. Note the agenda of “consciousness-raising”: children will be “targeted” and bombarded with vegan ideology; adults will be re-educated. All of this is to be led by activists “armed with vegan knowledge.” Note also the mixture of “love” and death threats: accept “the loving ways of veganism” or “face prison or even death.” Note finally the standard trope of claiming that their opponents are “fearful” reactionaries rebelling against the inevitable. I’m reminded of one of Sean Tejaratchi’s “Social Justice Kittens” aphorisms: “Your rage comes from fear and hatred; Our rage comes from love.” (An actual quote from an SJW.)

Veganism is dietary Marxism. The entire ideological structure of Marxism is present in veganism, it’s just that the cast of characters has been changed. Animals (chiefly bovines, I suppose) are the new proletariat; “carnists” the new bourgeoisie. The parallels are too obvious to require further comment. The cherry on the cake comes when Baker discusses the countless cases of people whose health has been ruined by veganism. However, instead of questioning the diet “vegan evangelists will say, ‘Those people just didn’t do it correctly.’” In short, it’s exactly like this well-known meme:

To which we can now append this adaptation, which I had specially created for this essay:

(Feel free to share.)

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  1. John Wilkinson
    Posted June 23, 2020 at 5:28 am | Permalink

    I’m neither vegan nor pure carnivore. I maintain my traditional omnivorous diet (big brained centrist here).

    I’m neither fat nor lean. I lift, so I’m strong and well built for a man in their late 40s, but like my Northern European ancestors, I keep a healthy layer of fat to get me through the winter.

    I agree with this article that politics are heavily injected into diet debates. Though I won’t go so far as to say there are clear right-left parallels. I do understand environmental activism (I don’t think it is exclusively leftist) and the desire that some have to reduce their impact on the environment. My only argument is that fertile forest land cleared for vegetable crops carries environmental impacts as well.

    This is an interesting topic, and I do advocate meat and animal fats in our diets. I’m against outlawing meat. Bottom line. But I don’t think this is the kind of political issue that I want to put a lot of energy into (yet).

  2. Vehmgericht
    Posted June 23, 2020 at 5:28 am | Permalink

    I am sorry I cannot agree. The needless suffering inflicted by the meat industry on animals distresses me far more than a boatload of baby-toting refugees foundering in the English Channel.

    And as I have stated, previously, if you buy meat in the United Kingdom it is invariably halal: that is to say it has been slaughtered under the prescriptions of Sharia. In partaking of such you are therefore winking at the islamisation of Western Europe.

    There are many notable and noble persons on the side of Tradition who have chosen to abstain from meat. I do not think it is helpful to set up a macho dichotomy between meat-eaters and vegans: surely we have enough problems presenting a unified front against the forces of chaos and dissolution as is?

    • LineInTheSand
      Posted June 23, 2020 at 10:42 am | Permalink

      We can all agree that the factory farms are disgraceful. Many of us are troubled by the needless suffering of innocent animals in these places. But if you would eat meat every day that was raised under relatively humane conditions, would you refuse?

      I assume that meat was the most prized food source for our ancestors and that should mean a lot. We are animals in a food chain, at least at the physical root.

  3. Draufgänger
    Posted June 23, 2020 at 6:57 am | Permalink

    A meat-only diet is not a diet for the enlightened, noble European mind. The plight of animals is what primarily moved me to become a white nationalist in the first place. No one else cares for the natural world like we do.

    I’ve often asked myself what would be an ideal diet for an aspiring eco-fascist. Perhaps it does include occasional portions of meat from animals that were raised with an ample amount of living space and butchered with respect. Or perhaps it excludes animal products altogether, as they don’t seem indispensable.

    I am certain, however, that this golden diet would not be “all meat,” that is, environmentally irresponsible and ethically wanton.

    Now, if we’re talking about Somali burgers…

    as an aside:

    • wanred
      Posted June 24, 2020 at 12:52 am | Permalink

      I am a pescatarian myself and called myself an environmentalist before anything else but I have been considering introducing meat again. Although I disagree with the extremist and unscientific tone of these articles, it has challenged me to delve a little deeper into some of the convictions I hold.

      Pentti Linkola wrote about a vegetarian diet but pretty much seemed to come to the conclusion that you should keep to a balanced diet. For your own sake and that of the environment. A Glance At Vegetarianism (scroll down)

  4. Hrafn
    Posted June 23, 2020 at 7:46 am | Permalink

    Believing that whenever the media and muh sheeple believe X, the exact opposite Y is true, has as little to do with free-thinking as blindly following whatever the media and the masses do (even when X is clearly stupid – everyone and their dog knows at this point that the food pyramid is nonsense). Hopping on whatever is the freshest trend (for example, a fad diet that is the flavor of the month on Amazon’s top selling books) isn’t too impressive, particularly when it’s done as a political statement.
    But then again, making your consumer habits (and eating is the most direct form of consumption there is) central to your political signalling routine is the spirit of the times.
    Let us know if you’ve stuck with it a year from now.

  5. c matt
    Posted June 23, 2020 at 9:26 am | Permalink

    Seems the pyramid got one thing right – limit sugar to the bare minimum. Unfortunately that is nearly impossible if you survive off of store bought products. Seems to be in everything even remotely processed.

    I love meat as much as the next guy, but going full turkey (ha hah) is (1) expensive, and (2) not all that healthy since practically everything is processed, and (3) buying purely organic/high quality non-processed is difficult and exponentially increases # (1).

    I do try to stick to a 40-20-20 plan: 40% meat protein, 20% fat, 20% carb as much as I can. Seems to work OK. The real secret seems to be “don’t drink your carbs.” Stay the f*ck away from sodas and other sugary beverages.

    Vegans/vegetarians (especially male) creep me out. But I did meet an attractive female one once who agreed male vegans were creepy, so maybe they are not all bad 🙂

  6. dalai_lama_trapeze
    Posted June 23, 2020 at 10:26 am | Permalink

    Judging by Dr. Baker’s physique, he’s on PEDs. But he credits the Carnivore diet. Jordan Peterson touted the weight-loss benefits of the Carnivore diet. Real reason for weight loss: amphetamines. Compare with Alex Rodriguez, Djokovic, professional bicyclists, etc.

    I have bacon & eggs several times a week, more often spinach or kale salads topped with canned sardines or mackerel, and, on occasion, enjoy a nice steak rare. I also try to eat lots of fruit and hot peppers, drink whole milk, limit intake of carbs, avoid sugary treats. I bike pretty much everywhere I go. Haven’t been to a gym in decades. Result: a slim-to-medium build, not an impressive physique, rather soft in the middle. But my health is good as I push ever closer to 50. Certainly not worried about getting sick from COVID.

    And so long as the cows are fed with corn, it ain’t carnivorous anyway.

  7. John Wilkinson
    Posted June 23, 2020 at 10:40 am | Permalink

    Anecdotally, I do know one guy, a personal trainer at my gym, who is hardly a soyboy, but who is vegan. He’s a very high energy guy, lean, athletic, about 5’10 or so, late 20s… not a big man, but he probably weights 165-175 lbs. I don’t know what he squats or benches, I don’t think he goes for mass, but I’d at least say it is well above his body weight, high rep.
    He’s built like a tennis player, or maybe a baseball player. Built to sprint quickly to respond to fast moving balls, high endurance.

    I think what I’m getting at is that there are varieties of diets that are good for various body types and activity levels. If you are going for strength, bulk, and high T levels, I don’t think you can deny that a carnivore diet is going to be best. for some people, agility and endurance are part of their natural form. Complex carbs are going to be ideal for such a person. For women, I think veganism can sometimes work. Many of us are going to find something that compromises all of these.

    • Clarence K
      Posted June 24, 2020 at 8:43 am | Permalink

      “If you are going for strength, bulk, and high T levels, I don’t think you can deny that a carnivore diet is going to be best.”

      That’s where you’re wrong. You probably couldn’t name me one bodybuilder, powerlifter, olympic lifter or strongman who eats a carnivore diet. Carbohydrates fuel the body better than fat. You should look at the importance of carbohydrates and glycogen for athletes. There has been studies that show that low-carb diets (like keto and carnivore) lower testosterone and increase cortisol levels, whereas high-carb diets do the opposite.

      Low-carb diets work for short periods of time for losing weight because it’s essentially putting your body in survival mode, where your body is using your own fat resources as energy. This, as you can imagine, isn’t optimal for longevity, athletic performance, health, etc. There’s a reason there are no carnivore athletes, and there’s a reason that the carnivores dieticians themselves are TRT loaded meme doctors with no real dietary credentials beyond their own (maybe true, maybe false) anecdotes. The carnivore “success” stories come from people who have been eating processed foods, processed sugars, trans-fats and the like their whole lives and then ditch these with miraculous results that they pin down to the meat and not the processed foods they previously ate. Just stick to wholefoods veg, fruit and the odd meat source for b12 and omega-3 and you’ll be good.

  8. dalai_lama_trapeze
    Posted June 23, 2020 at 10:45 am | Permalink

    Another reason to be skeptical of strict carnivore or paleo diets —-> We were Neolithic farmers before we even became fully White.

    You cannot believe in rapid human evolution (and incipient speciation) over the past 10,000 years, and then argue, on the other hand, that we should adopt the carnivore diet. Or at the very least, you might want to hedge your bets.

  9. Joe
    Posted June 23, 2020 at 12:07 pm | Permalink

    Wow, I made it about 5 paragraphs or so in and I’m already done. Lol Shawn Baker? You talk about him as if he’s a god. That guy always looks like a slob. And his arguments are terrible. But thanks a lot Jef for supporting factory farming, which is what you’re doing whether you deny it or not. Billions of animals suffering immensely because you don’t want to be a “soy boy.” That sounds so childish it’s unbelievable.

    I support veganism, not because I’m a wimpy loser, but because I’m fair. And I have integrity. Animals have rights. And if we don’t need to eat them, then we don’t need to kill them for food. So killing them for food is killing them unnecessarily. That’s a crime. I’m not a Leftist either. That’s why I’m on this site. I work out. I’m in good shape. I don’t wear skinny jeans or any other crap. You can be a normal person and eat a vegan diet.

    True strength is the ability to make a sacrifice. Meat is everywhere in our society. It’s convenient, tastes great, and no one will judge you. It’s hard to be vegan. Most people don’t have what it takes. I can understand if some people don’t know what to eat, they may have to rely on some meat, but to go full carnivore diet and dismiss veganism is just stupid. And if everyone got onboard with that, then animal abuse would never end. Yay! They’ll say they don’t support factory farming, but of coarse they do. They support the mentality that leads to it. They support the idea that animals are commodities. They won’t be able to find cruelty-free meat, so they’ll buy the regular stuff because “well, our bodies need it…” Or maybe they’ll be low on money, so they’ll have to buy cheap factory farmed meat because “well, our bodies need it..” They’ll see the suffering of animals and they’ll just shrug and it say it’s inevitable so we should forget about it. Shawn Baker says it’s sad to talk about killing animals and yet he revels in it. He loves eating meat. He’s not racked with remorse over the necessary evil he’s committing. He’s smiling and boasting about it. It’s the same with hunters. They claim they’re just doing what’s natural. And yet they take pictures with the corpses, proudly put them on display, and they’ll even tell you how much they love to hunt. Yeah, I can tell they care a lot about animals…

    Don’t associate veganism with Leftism. Leftists don’t care about animals. They’re too busy worrying about how many pansexual black people got nominated at the Oscars. I wouldn’t associate it with any political side. It really seems like no one cares about animals. I mean, these poor creatures have no chance. They are exploited, abused, neglected, and ignored everywhere. And it’s not just the animals in slaughterhouses. The meat industry is just the biggest cause of animal abuse. But it’s anthropocentrism that is the source of all abuse. There’s more I could say, but this is good enough.

    • Draufgänger
      Posted June 23, 2020 at 4:08 pm | Permalink

      I agree entirely. It’s heartening to see so many comments here in a similar vein.

      • Sage
        Posted June 23, 2020 at 5:44 pm | Permalink

        So you both agree with the YouTube comment I take it.

    • Martin Venator
      Posted June 23, 2020 at 10:22 pm | Permalink

      Totally agree. Empathy and environmental consciousness are virtues we need to foster in our people. They are markers of intelligence – what distinguishes us from savages. I have zero respect for people who take a callous attitude towards animal suffering. And doing so just to piss off leftist ‘soyboys’ is very, very immature.

      Personally, I find S.B. a creep. In any case, what’s the point of talking about his physique, given the amount of gear he’s on? (He has presented his blood tests on YouTube: his test levels are non-existant – I wonder why….)

      • Charles Synyard
        Posted June 25, 2020 at 3:38 am | Permalink

        It is baffling that so many find fulfillment virtue signaling about their love, their love of animals. The entire framework of human rights is a fraud used to defend the wicked and punish the innocent, so it it really unclear how animals would have any rights.
        Yes, it is characteristic that Whites are more empathetic. This is the semblance Rousseau and others made so much of. We see something with a face on our plate, and we start tearing up, because we project ourselves or those we love onto the meat. However, we are beef or the pork, and aren’t going to become it by eating it. It is a type of irrationality we should use our intellect to overcome, lest it cause unwarranted behavior that is even more harmful.
        With the pets obsession, the empathy for animals becomes even worse. The pets are, by this point, almost artifacts, for they have been bred so much that they are far removed from their wild forebears. They have been selected for traits that will trigger our emotive attachments; yet this does not change that they remain completely different animals, it only disguises it. Hence, when the Chinese enjoy dog or cat meat, White bleeding hearts of every conviction begin moaning and feeling torn up inside, while the Oriental correctly understand that animals can be used however we may desire, and don’t come with a laundering tag of instructions from God that it is a sin to violate.
        To be sure, inasmuch as there is some resemblance between the fauna, and animals may be found aesthetically pleasing, it would be deranged to harm them out of spite, simply to discourage waste. Nonetheless, it isn’t morally justified to think of them as other than a quarry that can be mined whenever we crave fur or flesh.

        • Vincent
          Posted July 19, 2020 at 8:21 am | Permalink

          Since you mentioned it, I’m gonna go off on a tangent that might be interesting for non-vegans here.
          Pet Ownership. This is the one issue that consistently divides vegans. If you look through some vegan groups you will most likely find a section in their community guidelines about pets. The majority of vegans don’t have any qualms keeping animals as pets. I posit these are the people that go along with the mainstream trends, are very liberal and act mostly on feelings.

          Then, there is the small minority of vegans who object to pets. I would argue this population could be largely divided up into two groups.

          On the one hand there are those that object not to the pet-keeping per se, but the fact that the most commonly kept pets, dogs and cats, require feed that contains animal products. These are the rationalist™ type people. Many among them might keep herbivorous pets. Some even more extreme examples of these might even have a cat/dog that they feed with vegan pet food. It seems to me that these people, as well as the majority of vegans, will virtue signal to non-vegans.

          On the other hand you have people that morally object to owning pets. The reasoning is often that owning a pet is fundamentally a form of captivity. I would agree with that reason as well, but to me there is also the very important aspect of dignity. You deprive the held animal of its dignity by having it beg for food from their master. An animal should be free to live according to the laws of nature, in line with their biology. The things that go by for pets these days (e.g. chihuahuas, pugs) are a perversion of nature, and a travesty to its laws. These animals wouldn’t survive outside of captivity.

          It is my experience that this last group are mostly conservative (in the true, non-American politics sense) and traditionalist of mind. A type of truth-seeker, that often brings them back to forums such as this one. That’s how it went for me at least.

          All that to say that, no I don’t think the vegan people on here are trying to exalt their own virtue. It seems to me that what they are trying to do is elevate our fellow people to a higher plane. Not that of weak emasculated, “soyboy” men moaning to others, but that of integrity and perseverance. Just because we can and it is easy doesn’t mean we should. I deplore the “might is right” type arguments that I come across now and then in the dissident right scene.

          (sorry for the incoherent ramble, I’m not a native English speaker, nor a good writer)

          p.s.: I am also appalled by this and the previous article about the carnivore diet. This is on the same level as Paul Joseph Watson Infowars guy on youtube. I kept myself from commenting on the first one, but failed this time. Guess I’m just a triggered virtue-signaller.

    • Bookai
      Posted June 24, 2020 at 1:47 am | Permalink

      I agree with the hunting part. Today’s hunting became a recreational sport which speaks volumes about our degeneracy. Getting you pimped-out rifle with all the gay accesories and riding in a car all the way to the hunting ground doesn’t make you “manly”. No more respect for the game with posing over it, almost as if you just wrestled it to death.
      Nothing wrong with pest control like shooting boars, foxes or wild pigs, but Christ, some dignity would be in order.

    • J
      Posted July 5, 2020 at 7:05 am | Permalink

      Raising animals is a lot more humane and causes less death than growing monocrops. Unless you grow what you eat, you are causing more harm than the carnivores.

    • Stronza
      Posted July 5, 2020 at 2:58 pm | Permalink

      Hey, the meat-only bunch can become nice people by eating only road kill. Nothing wrong with that. Why let all that flesh food go to waste. Plus – more important to them and their self-image – nobody will consider them a bunch of sappy, animal-loving “soyboys”. Win-Win!

  10. Moo
    Posted June 23, 2020 at 1:09 pm | Permalink

    Take the Beef Pill.

  11. Alexandra O.
    Posted June 23, 2020 at 4:20 pm | Permalink

    The all-meat diet is dreadful for you, and the all-vegan diet is just as dreadful for you. A balanced diet of some meat, some fish, some carbs, and lots of veggies, along with some sugar, and some oils — even if only a tablespoon of olive oil daily, which I ingest just to make sure my brain gets its due. Good grief — we are OMNIVORES — our tummies can handle nearly any of these foods, and just the fact that we can digest meats tells me that we are not meant to be vegans exclusively. And yes, we are mostly all overdoing it with eating way too much meat — a balanced-nutrition guru told me that 3 ounces daily was plenty for anyone, even a weight-lifter. That’s five hamburger patties from a pound of beef, one daily.

    Beyond my predilection for ‘balanced diet’, I have little else to say on the subject. If the planet was not so overpopulated with — hold your liberal breath here — useless eaters, i.e., people who are too dumb to produce anything of value, or otherwise care for themselves — then we would have enough ‘nature’ left to feed a much smaller herd of cows for our diets. It is overpopulation of humans that is producing the need for millions of livestock which are ruining our natural world. Well, enjoy your food, whatever it is.

  12. Magister Ludi
    Posted June 23, 2020 at 5:09 pm | Permalink

    You’re my favorite writer here. Another excellent article from a brilliant mind. Veganism (is that even a real word?) is absurd, but it doesn’t hurt to impose a vegetarian diet on women that are getting too fat.

    • Jef Costello
      Posted June 23, 2020 at 5:45 pm | Permalink

      Thank you for your kind words. I wish other “readers” would actually read the entirety of the pieces they comment on, or learn how to read.

  13. Jace
    Posted June 23, 2020 at 10:30 pm | Permalink

    Thank you for this article and the previous one. Judging from the comments, more needs to be said about the insidiousness behind the vegan agenda to ban meat.

    • Sage
      Posted June 24, 2020 at 7:44 am | Permalink

      It seem alot of CC readers would get behind it if the comments in this article are any indication.

  14. A.M.
    Posted June 24, 2020 at 2:21 am | Permalink

    Well, I read the article in it’s entirety, and at this point I’m nearly literally brought to physical nausea every time I’m forced to endure another “How that liberal
    Western European/American pathology/absurdity is actually socialism in disguise” exposition by a right-wing “intellectual.” It feels like every sixth or seventh article on Counter-Currents is some kind of spin on this trope. “It’s an ingenious Soviet scheme to turn all our kids into gay hip-hop artists!” Now it’s literally come to blaming communists for vegetarianism! It continually occurs to me that these authors, and American conservatives in general, literally don’t know what communists are, and it’s probably because the “leftists” you’re fighting don’t know either. My grandfather was a leader in
    the communist party in his country, and he was also a hunter and beekeeper, and part
    of the the local administrative body charged with protecting the local environment
    and wildlife from exploitation and overhunting, a job he took very seriously. Moreover,
    I never met, or even heard of, a single real communist that was a vegetarian, despite spending a significant portion of my life living in a formerly communist country. These kinds of theories are the result of pure, unmitigated ignorance, and proliferate totally absurd, factually baseless myths about socialism that objectively do nothing to
    advance any cause being advocated here. This kind of thing is on the level of
    “Satan made fossils to trick people into believing in evolution.” I’ve known people that actually believe that, and believing this is just as ridiculous, and it’s actually being suggested that this is something that’s self-evident, when in fact it’s an
    incomprehensibly stupid, self-evident absurdity? I mean come on, dietary Marxism! Really? Really? You’re supposed to sound smarter than liberals here…
    and an all meat diet just sounds like veganism up side down.

    • Martin Venator
      Posted June 24, 2020 at 5:34 am | Permalink

      I think much of the problem here is that the Left has latched on to the animal rights movement through the philosophy of animal liberation (Peter Singer), which is essentially utilitarian and subversive, as well as through intersectionality (e.g. “The Sexual Politics of Meat” by Carol J. Adams).

      This does not mean though that concern over animal rights is intrinsically leftist. In fact, to me someone who risks imprisonment in order to free caged animals (in fur farms or vivisection labs) out of sheer compassion is much closer to the ideals of the true Right than some cowardly hunter blasting away with an automatic rifle in a forest or some juicehead bro-scientist endorsing carnivorism.

      From a European perspective, I also feel that this emphasis on ‘machismo’ is a typical sign of how unbalanced Western (and esp. US) society has become. All this empty talk of being ‘alpha’ males, all this obsession with ‘soyboys’… it’s just… gay. Like a puerile form of over-compensation.

      • Stronza
        Posted June 24, 2020 at 6:55 am | Permalink

        Wonderful comments, Martin. Short, sweet and correct. I too am scratching my head over the neverending fixation on “soyboys”.

        There is nothing wrong with eating meat if you crave it. One fine day, a person may just reject it. Happened to me when I was barely a young girl. What gets my goat are the arguments made by people who forced themselves to become veg’n or vegan out of the wrong motivation, still craved meat, and so returned to eating it. And then write endless articles about their decision to return to meat consumption. FFS, you don’t have to defend your cravings. They’re just there and must be dealt with. A vegetarian who is thinking about meat all day long is not doing himself or the world any good. Better to eat a bit of meat and work toward reducing cruelty to animals in other areas.

      • A.M.
        Posted June 25, 2020 at 2:55 pm | Permalink

        Well I just dog-piled “The Sexual Politics of Meat,” and that’s one rabbithole you can waste a day in, fortunately I didn’t. I wasn’t hip to the feminist-vegan alliance, silly me… another strong strain of liberal logic. Well, anyway, there’s a kink somewhere in their “utilitarianism” that makes it anything but. For starters it’s wholly dispossessed of “human supremacism.”
        Remember when “humanity,” and what’s best for “the people”
        was what the “left” cared about?

  15. Clarence K
    Posted June 24, 2020 at 8:21 am | Permalink

    I remember reading about Jordan Peterson’s daughter and her carnivore diet. She claimed that it had saved not only her life, but her fathers and her mothers, too. Apparently, once following her carnivore diet, they had no longer any use for their medications and had rid themselves of depression, anxiety and a few other diseases. Flash forward a few months, however, and her father is in rehab for the anxiety tablets he was supposedly no longer taking, she makes a video talking about how she is still on anti-depressants and her mother is struggling with cancer. It just seems like one, giant fad to me. If we look around the World, those that follow carnivore diets are not European in the slightest and they’re not at all healthy, either. The populations around the World that lead the longest, healthiest lives (read: blue-zone diets) seem to follow a predominantly plant-based diet, with a few meat sources here and there.

    Carnivorism is a libertarian-tier response to veganism. It’s the meninism of the political world. It’s trying to find the truth in opposites rather than reason. It’s stupid and wholly anti-European.

  16. Trevor Feldman
    Posted June 25, 2020 at 8:03 pm | Permalink

    Great article. But! If this link works, it is Shawn Baker condemning any possibility of racial differences , from his “not a video I wanted to make” youtube from June 2nd. I know it doesn’t really contradict Jef’s overall article, which is right on (Shawn would probably love Jef’s article, just as long as he didn’t think it came from a race conscious site like counter-courants) on

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