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Yoram Hazony’s The Virtue of Nationalism

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Yoram Hazony
The Virtue of Nationalism
New York: Basic Books, 2018

Yoram Hazony is an Israeli political theorist. He has a BA in East Asian studies from Princeton and a Ph.D. in political theory from Rutgers. While at Princeton, he founded a conservative publication, the Princeton Tory. An orthodox Jew and a political Zionist, he is the president of the Herzl Institute in Jerusalem. He is also the chairman of the Edmund Burke Foundation, the purpose of which seems to be to nudge conservatism in America and Europe in a more nationalist direction.

The Virtue of Nationalism is a lucidly written, trenchantly argued antidote to the anti-nationalist sentiments that dominate mainstream politics, both Left and Right. Hazony seeks to defend the nation-state as the best form of government, pretty much for everyone. Hazony defines a nation as “a number of tribes with a shared heritage, usually including a common language or religious traditions, and a past history of joining together against common enemies” (p. 100). Hazony defines a nation-state as “a nation whose disparate tribes have come together under a single standing government, independent of all other governments” (p. 100).

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Hazony defines the nation-state in contradistinction to two alternatives: tribal anarchy and imperialism. Tribal anarchy is basically a condition of more or less perpetual suspicion, injustice, and conflict that exists between tribes of the same nation in the absence of a common government. Imperialism is an attempt to extend common government to the different nations of the world, which exist in a state of anarchy vis-à-vis each other.

Hazony’s primary example of tribes coming together to form a state is the tribes of Israel, whose history may well be entirely fictional. There are, however, historical examples of such “tribal” unification from the 19th century, when different Italian “tribes” came together in the Kingdom of Italy, and different German “tribes” came together to form the Second Reich. However, in the 19th and 20th centuries, it was far more common for nation-states to emerge by separating themselves from empires.

Hazony’s appeals to the Bible considerably weaken his argument but reveal his primary audience: American Protestant Zionists. Thus the first part of The Virtue of Nationalism offers a historical narrative in which nationalism was created by the ancient Israelites, suppressed by various ancient empires—Assyrian, Babylonian, Persian, Hellenistic, Roman, Catholic, and Islamic—then revived after the Reformation and codified in the Peace of Westphalia.

In Chapter III, “The Protestant Construction of the West,” Hazony claims that Protestant political thought rests on two Old Testament principles. First, legitimate governments must protect the common good of the people and uphold Christianity. Second, different nations have the right to self-determination, i.e., to govern themselves without the interference of others.

In Chapter VII, “Nationalist Alternatives to Liberalism,” Hazony distinguishes between the “neo-Catholic” approach, which upholds the Biblical principle of legitimacy but rejects nationalism for empire; the “neo-nationalist” view which rejects Biblical legitimacy but embraces the nation-state; and the “conservative” or “traditionalist” viewpoint, which embraces both Biblical legitimacy and nationalism.

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Hazony, of course, favors the third, as would most Protestant Zionists, but it should be noted that only the second option is consistent with the American separation of church and state. Moreover, only the second option is consistent with the many European nations that are now post-Christian.

Hazony argues that nationalism has a number of advantages over tribal anarchy. The small states of ancient Greece, medieval Italy, and modern Germany wasted a great deal of blood and wealth in conflicts that were almost literally fratricidal, and that made these peoples vulnerable to aggression from entirely different peoples. Unifying warring “tribes” of the same peoples under a nation-state created peace and prosperity within their borders and presented a united front to potential enemies from without.

But if the nation-state has such advantages, why stop there? Why not continue the process by unifying nation-states into empires? Wouldn’t that expand the realm of peace and prosperity, in principle to the whole globe?

Hazony prefers to stand with the nation-state. Political unification can lead us that far, but no farther. Thus he spends a good deal of time criticizing imperialism in all its forms: religious, ethnic, and secular, including liberalism, federalism, and civic nationalism. It is the best part of his book.

Hazony doesn’t like the word sovereignty, claiming it smacks of absolutism and rationalism. But he paraphrases the concept when he speaks of “collective freedom,” “non-interference in the internal affairs of other national states,” and “a government monopoly of organized coercive force within the state” (p. 177).

A nation is either sovereign or it isn’t. A sovereign state does not take orders from other entities. It controls its internal affairs. It does not suffer other armed powers within its borders. It stands on terms of equality with other sovereign states, no matter how large or small. It has the right to say “no” to other states and international bodies.

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Imperialists seek to obfuscate this hard either/or with euphemisms like “federalism,” “subsidiarity,” and the risible EU newspeak “pooled sovereignty.” Federalism and subsidiarity are attempts to coax states to give up their sovereignty by assuring them that they will retain autonomy in all matters that are unimportant to the center. But on important matters, they are not allowed to say no. Thus when advocates of empire assure nations that they will be allowed to control their internal affairs, they will enjoy no more sovereignty than an Indian reservation. Pooled sovereignty means that EU member states can vote on EU policies, but they have to abide by majority decisions. They have no veto power, which means that they are not sovereign when it counts, which is when one wants to say “no.”

According to Hazony, the nation-state is superior to imperialism because:

  • Nationalism “offers the greatest possibility for collective self-determination.”
  • Nationalism “inculcates an aversion to the conquest of foreign nations.”
  • Nationalism “opens the door to a tolerance of diverse ways of life.”
  • Nationalism “establishes a life of astonishingly productive competition among nations as each strives to attain the maximal development of its abilities and those of its individual members.”
  • The “powerful mutual loyalties that are at the heart of the national state give us the only known foundation for the development of free institutions and individual liberties.” (p. 10)
  • Nationalism also reduces the amount of hatred and violence in the world (Part Three: Anti-Nationalism and Hate).

Hazony makes it clear that the tribes that are candidates for political unification in a nation-state already belong to the same nation. They share a common language, religion, and culture. In short, a nation is an ethnic group.

The collective freedom maximized by nation-states is the freedom of ethnic groups to live by their own lights—and to allow different peoples to do the same, hence tolerance and an aversion to empire. Hazony puts this point very beautifully in the Conclusion of his book:

The nationalist, we may say, knows two very large things, and maintains them both in his soul at the same time: He knows that there is great truth and beauty in his own national traditions and in his own loyalty to them; and yet he also knows that they are not the sum of human knowledge, for there is also truth and beauty to be found elsewhere, which is own nation does not possess. (p. 231)

The “mutual loyalty” at the heart of nation-states is a product of a common ethnicity. How does ethnic unity make free institutions possible? Every society needs order. Order either comes from within the individual or is imposed from without. A society in which individuals share a strong normative culture does not need a heavy-handed state to impose social order.

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The move from nation-state to empire requires that peoples lose their collective sovereignty. Beyond that, because empires by nature contain many nations, the empire cannot depend upon a common culture to produce order and civility. These must, therefore, be imposed mechanically by the state. Thus empires erode free institutions.

Hazony offers a very strong critique of civic nationalism and the idea that a state can be ethnically neutral (Chapter XVI: “The Myth of the Neutral State”). Hazony thinks it is inevitable that the boundaries of states do not precisely coincide with nations. Not all Poles live in Poland, and some non-Poles do. But if all states are multiethnic, then shouldn’t they be ethnically “neutral”? Shouldn’t they base their unity on something other than ethnicity, such as a civic creed?

Hazony rejects this as a delusion. Even supposedly universalistic civic creeds are actually the products of particular ethnic groups. Their persistence through time depends on these ethnic groups. These ethnic groups might fool themselves into thinking that they are simply “humanity” and their principles are “universal,” but the minority groups who live with them are never fooled. Hazony claims that, whether we admit it or not, the core of every nation has to be an ethnic group that imposes its basic norms and ways of life on minorities. (A point that Hazony doesn’t make is that there is no such thing as an ethnically neutral language.)

Hazony also deals with the common argument that nationalism produces hatred and conflict, whereas high-minded globalist/imperialist schemes will give rise to peace and love. But everybody hates somebody. Globalists, Hazony points out, are energetic haters as well. They are also willing to unleash vast and devastating wars to bring peace and love to the far corners of the map.

In fact, Hazony argues, imperialism is far more conducive to hatred and violence than nationalism.

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Nationalists are particularists, and liberal globalists are universalists. Nationalists believe that it is legitimate for multiple states with different values and ways of life to exist, whereas liberal globalists implicitly deny the legitimacy of all non-liberal states and ways of life. Thus for liberal globalists, every other state is a potential target of hatred and war. Thus every conflict is potentially global. And every enemy should in principle be destroyed, for if no other regime is really legitimate, with whom can one reach a settlement? For globalists, the globe is the only natural limit for hatred, fighting, and political expansion.

Particularists, by contrast, have only petty hatreds and petty conflicts, which are confined to small areas and can be concluded in a relatively brief time with a negotiated peace, because nationalists regard it as legitimate for other nations to exist, even when they make war against them.

Liberal globalists have an inflated sense of themselves, for they believe that they represent not just a particular regime but the interests of all humanity. This means that they regard their enemies as the enemies of all humanity. This makes their hatreds more intense and their conflicts more protracted and deadly, because how can one not be at war with the enemies of humanity? (There are, of course, material limits to war, which often force globalists to stop fighting sooner than they would like.) Nationalists find it easier to avoid war and conclude peace because they don’t have inflated senses of their own goodness and their enemies’ evil.

An important theme of The Virtue of Nationalism is the critique of liberalism. Hazony claims liberalism is false because it begins with a false image of man: a rational actor loyal only to himself, shorn of any attachments to collectives—for instance, the family, tribe, and nation into which every individual is born. On top of this false anthropology, liberalism erects a false ethics and political philosophy: the only legitimate claims that can be made on a rational individual are those he chooses for himself. The only legitimate institutions are those that a rational individual would choose for himself.

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Liberal man is basically identical to economic man. The rational, self-interested behavior of liberal man finds its purest expression in the marketplace. By making the behaviors of economic man normative, liberalism dissolves non-economic social institutions like family, tribes, and nations. All individuals emerge from these collectives, which impose unchosen relationships on individuals and evoke strong feelings of attachment, which can cause individuals to risk and sacrifice their lives to preserve these collectives. Hazony calls such collective attachments “loyalties” (p. 65). The liberal individualist project seeks to dissolve all unchosen relationships and to make all loyalties contingent on loyalty to the self.

Hazony argues that liberalism is an inherently imperialistic ideology. Nations are collectives. But only individuals matter to liberals. Because all men are the same insofar as they are rational, self-interested agents, all boundaries between political entities are morally meaningless. Liberals also believe that only liberal regimes are legitimate. Thus liberals have no moral objections to overthrowing illiberal regimes, particularly if this coincides with economic interests.

Hazony emphasizes that although nationalists reject imperialistic globalist institutions, nationalism is itself a vision of the best world order. Thus in Chapter XVIII he outlines “Some Principles of the Order of Nationalist States.”

First, he claims that “the order of national states . . . grants political independence to nations that are cohesive and strong enough to secure it” (p. 176). The core of cohesiveness is ethnic, which means that a proposed state that lacks a core ethnic group is not a candidate for independence. The most cohesive state of all, of course, would be entirely ethnically homogeneous.

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As for being “strong enough to secure” independence: Why this concession to Realpolitik? If a nation is strong enough to secure its independence, it doesn’t really need international recognition. It is nice, but not necessary. It is precisely the peoples that cannot secure their independence on their own that need to depend on an international order of nationalist states. Many such countries exist today. Andorra, Lichtenstein, Monaco, the Vatican, and San Marino do not have the ability to establish their independence by force of arms. But that is true of most states. There is not a single nation in Europe that is a military match for the United States or Russia. Hazony thinks that small states that cannot secure their independence are doomed to become non-sovereign protectorates of larger states. But there are alternatives: Small states can secure their independence by allying themselves with other sovereign states, and they can appeal to the moral and political principles upheld by an international order of nationalist states.

The second principle is “non-interference in the internal affairs of other national states” (p. 177). Does this apply to all sovereign states, or just the nationalist ones? Does it not apply, then, to empires? This would be problematic, because, as I will discuss at greater length later, when Hazony claims that nation-states can contain minority groups under the dominion of a core ethnic population, it is hard to distinguish them from empires. This is particularly the case when Hazony argues that even empires that claim to be based on universal principles have an ethnic character.

The third principle is “government monopoly of organized force within the state” (p. 177), as opposed to tribal anarchy. A failed state is one in which different ethnic groups create their own militias.

The fourth principle is the “maintenance of multiple centers of power” (p. 180), which is the old doctrine of maintaining a balance of power so that one state, or group of states, never becomes powerful enough to destroy the sovereignty of the rest.

The fifth principle is “parsimony in the establishment of independent states” (p. 182). The moral principle of nationalism need not lead simply to breaking up larger national units into smaller ones. Sometimes, as in the case of the reunification of Germany, one sovereign entity can be annexed to another one.

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The sixth principle, “Protection of minority nations and tribes by the national government” (p. 183) is designed to prevent tribal anarchy and a failed state. Some tribal peoples are too small to be sovereign nations. But they should be given as much autonomy as possible short of that, because it is the right thing to do and because it is the best way to avoid conflict.

As for irreconcilably disgruntled tribes and minorities, the only solution Hazony envisions is repressing them. But other solutions are possible. Some tribes might be large enough to form their own nations, and if they are not happy with their current status, the international order of nationalist states should help negotiate their path to sovereignty, to avoid conflict and maximize opportunities for divergent cultural evolution. Disaffected minority groups from neighboring nations might be encouraged to join them, by moving people, by moving borders, or a combination of the two.

The seventh and final principle is the “non-transference of the powers of government to universal institutions” (p. 184).

As I read through The Virtue of Nationalism and tried to imagine objections, the main one is: “Nationalism leads to hatred and violence. Just look at the Nazis.” Hazony’s response to this is that Hitler wasn’t a nationalist. He was an imperialist.

But it is not that simple. In truth, Hitler was both. Thus we need another distinction besides nationalism vs. imperialism. We need to distinguish between good and bad forms of nationalism. When Hitler talked about bringing scattered German tribes under a common government, he was practicing the good form of nationalism. When he talked about Lebensraum in the East at the expense of other nations, that’s the bad sort of nationalism.

The bad nationalist demands freedom for his own nation but denies it to other nations. The bad nationalist stokes the pride and patriotism of his nation, then pits it against other nations. This is how European nations built vast colonial empires. Bad nationalism passes over into empire, but it does not cease to blacken the name of nationalism. Hence it might be more persuasive to grant that there is simply a bad form of nationalism.

The difference between good nationalism and bad nationalism is simple: Good nationalism is universalist. A good nationalist wants to ensure the sovereignty of his own people, but does not wish to deny the sovereignty of other peoples. Instead, he envisions a global order of sovereign nations, to the extent that this is possible. Hazony, however, wishes to stop short of the idea of a universal right to self-determination, which I will deal with at greater length later.

Clearly, The Virtue of Nationalism has many virtues. Every defender of nationalism will benefit from its arguments. But this book also has several vices. Hazony is dismissive of kinship — and more broadly, race — as the biological substratum of community. He is too willing to dismiss the idea of ethnic homogeneity which makes his conception of the nation indistinguishable from an empire. Finally, he is mistaken to reject the idea of a universal principle of national self-determination. I will deal with these topics in a separate essay that compares The Virtue of Nationalism to The White Nationalist Manifesto.



  1. James North
    Posted January 31, 2020 at 10:03 pm | Permalink

    Meanwhile from Hazony’s homie, Moldbug:

    • Sutter
      Posted February 1, 2020 at 8:11 am | Permalink

      I am shocked that writing such as Curtis Yarvin’s passes as “thought.”

      It is not just hard to follow, but I was looking crazily for any evidence that the coronavirus is as scary as he said, and couldn’t find anything. Health scares like this are always blown out of proportion.

      I read the other day that the death rate is like 2%. I’d assume that 2% is disproportionately elderly, based on what I have read. It is a nothing-burger.

      • HamburgerToday
        Posted February 3, 2020 at 9:17 am | Permalink

        The hazards of a particular disease are not simply determined by its lethality (mortality rate), but also by its capacity for transmission (virulence). The fact that a disease has a low mortality rate does not necessarily mean that it cannot be very dangerous to a population. One of the concerns of epidemiologists is the way in which illness itself takes people out of the ‘system’ of everyday life. Even though someone might not die from the disease, their illness will very often keep them out of the workforce for an extended time. During that time, some of the tasks they would normally perform may not be performed which may result in a degradation of essentials services which, in turn, lead to secondary mortalities that, on the surface, appear to have nothing to do with the disease, but are, in fact, an indirect result of it. During the epidemic of 1918, there were many deaths of persons who did not have the illness but who died because the people that would have prevented their deaths were ill and unable to perform the tasks that would have saved their lives.

  2. Messenger
    Posted February 1, 2020 at 2:16 am | Permalink

    I’m for “good” nationalism. I’m against “bad” nationalism. Let every people have their own territory, their own system of government. Let no nation deny another; let no people lord it over another.

    Nationalism can be the new globalism.

  3. Arilando
    Posted February 1, 2020 at 4:32 am | Permalink

    When/where is this “later”? In another article?

  4. D.M.
    Posted February 1, 2020 at 4:46 am | Permalink

    Yet another treatment of nationalist politics (sympathetic in this case) by a mainstream author that is useful for ethnonationalists. The position is more tribal and ethnic than creedal, or synthetic-identitarian a la Fukuyama, but stops short of recognizing race as necessary for ethnicity. Once again its many lampposts–strong points as well as inconsistencies–point to way to ethnonationalism.

    Hazony’s critique of liberalism as reported here is spot-on, and this review, if not his book, is a must-have to return to as often as is necessary for one to be able to draw on these points at will. I’ve heard Greg make these same points in a recent talk, though I can’t recall which one. It contains the memorable line: “the path to Hiroshima and Dresden is paved with liberal love.” I think it was a talk delivered in Sweden a few months ago on the occasion of the release of the WN Manifesto in Swedish.

  5. D. Wayne
    Posted February 1, 2020 at 5:54 am | Permalink

    Mr. Johnson, please excuse me for the off-topic question here, but I would be highly intersted in your opinion on the “birthrate question”.

    It explains very well appearances like this: “The small states of ancient Greece, medieval Italy, and modern Germany wasted a great deal of blood and wealth in conflicts that were almost literally fratricidal, and that made these peoples vulnerable to aggression from entirely different peoples.”

    It also explains the American Civil War, why the Soviets win the 2nd WW, war in the middle east and so on. There is a German book called “Söhne und Weltmacht” from Gunnar Heinsohn, were he crates a war index (Kriegsindex). It’s basically about youngs sons in relation to free positions within a society. I guess you can describe Mr. Heinsohn as kind of a neocon.

    Having a lot of sons means war, but not having them, like the white race today, means decline and I think this is not taken into consideration very often. Having a society of young people and young men means having a completly different dynamic within this society and that is why you can’t compare former European societys with the one of today.

    • Greg Johnson
      Posted February 1, 2020 at 7:49 am | Permalink

      I don’t trust such a simple one-dimensional deterministic account of things. Does he seriously contend that a society with a lot of young men will simply rummage around for excuses to go to war?

      • D. Wayne
        Posted February 1, 2020 at 7:58 am | Permalink

        Heinsohn himself says that of course it always gets more complicated if you wish to go into the details, but as a predictor for war it seems to be sufficent. In English I found this article by Heinsohn regarding the war index:

        • Corday
          Posted February 1, 2020 at 9:34 am | Permalink

          I don’t think that premise withstands much scrutiny. There are plenty of counterexamples. For instance, the Black Death may have killed as much as 60% of Europe’s population in the 14th and 15th centuries, but the Late Middle Ages and Early Modern Period were significantly more violent and chaotic than the High Middle Ages. The “Spanish Flu” of 1919 killed perhaps 100 million people, but Central and Eastern Europe were torn apart by civil wars and Bolshevik insurrections.

          There’s immense incentive in the historical profession to come up with some novel take that is sweeping and deterministic. The wider the scope, the better. This results in half-baked theories that selectively use evidence to make universal inferences. I’ve yet to find one that really holds up to much scrutiny.

        • Razvan
          Posted February 1, 2020 at 1:40 pm | Permalink

          I think this idea is fairly old. I remember my parents commenting that when too many boys and too few girls are born it usually means it will be war. Anyway, this can be checked by comparing the number of births by sexes and the wars.

  6. HCS
    Posted February 1, 2020 at 12:49 pm | Permalink

    I have not read his book, and I’m sure he raises some very good points, and there is some value in there, but from what I gather from things I have seen of him, his version of nationalism seems to be essentially a neutered, almost civic type of nationalism, at the end. He is open about rejecting “race-based politics”[1], and he defines a nation as “…an actual people with a particular cultural inheritance, bound by ties of mutual loyalty”, adding that it is “a far greater and better thing than the bogus, pseudo-scientific construct that the race nerds hope to replace it with” [2] — which is to say, anybody can become part of it by accepting its culture. Since he rejects race, he must also reject ethnicity, logically following, as that stems from race, and if he rejects the idea of a Negro not being able to be (an equal) part of a White nation (as “race-based politics” suggest), then a nation’s “cohesiveness” can’t be ethnic either.

    He argues in an article, that this “cohesiveness” is a shared bond, that is, culture, but again, he rejects race (and logically therefore, ethnicity), as part of this equation. He mocks the idea of White Nationalism in petty and disingenuous ways, saying “no ‘white’ nation is found in any history book. There is no distinctive ‘white’ language, religion or cultural inheritance. The idea that ‘whites’ are a nation is just so much make-believe.”[3] — but of course Whites are not one single “nation”, however, White nations are, by definition, White, and it’s a foundational characteristic. Something he thinks we shouldn’t focus on.

    In his view a race-based nation is just about “the quality of genes” and “skin color”, and reminds us that “race politics brought about the murder of millions in Europe, while in America it produced slavery, civil war and a legacy of domestic unease — and occasional violence”.

    So again, I don’t see how his version of nationalism is, down the road, any better than civic nationalism that requires assimilation, acceptance of “a common cultural inheritance, especially a distinctive language and religion”, with “bonds of mutual loyalty”. At the end, this can only result in a multiracial society, like that of the United States, which, I believe, would be ideal for him (for the gentiles): a mono-cultural mixed-race populace waving the same flag.

    It is also important that his entire life is focused on Zionism and pursuing Jewish interests, and since he doesn’t care about Whites as such (following his non-racial direction, White nations would cease to exist), I believe he simply wants to make sure the new rise of nationalism (e.g. Trump, migrant crisis in Europe) is a non-racial one that is good for the Jews (think pro-Israel MAGAtardism). After all, he said before that “The nationalist turn in Western politics presents an immense opening for Christian-Jewish partnership in the public sphere”[4].


    • Franklin Ryckaert
      Posted February 1, 2020 at 1:44 pm | Permalink

      Exactly, like all Jews he is only interested in “what is good for the Jews”. Rising race-based nationalism in Western nations is a threat to Jewish parasitism and power, hence it must be neutralized. So he tries to infiltrate and coopt it for Jewish purposes.

    • HamburgerToday
      Posted February 3, 2020 at 9:06 am | Permalink

      Nationalism without race is simply a mask for imperialism. Hazony hopes to separate ‘ethnos‘ from ‘gens‘ because he’s a Zionist Diaspora Jew and that’s the kind of arrangement he and his cohorts can exploit. However, philosophically its a valid distinction. The problem is, of course, that there does appear to be a relationship between race and culture/ethnicity.

  7. Alexandra O
    Posted February 2, 2020 at 2:14 am | Permalink

    This book review and discussion was immensely helpful to me for defining ‘what is nationalism’ and what it is not, since I did not study Political Science or Philosophy in college — my head was ‘in the clouds with art’ Later, in my ’40’s I did study Russian History at the University of Washington while I was an employee there and we could attend one free class per quarter. I was trying to make sense of the ‘cold war’ that was in full swing in the 1980’s, and I feel as if I did come to a good understanding of that messy, muffled conflict. And I certainly concluded that a full-blown Socialist state is not a good idea for anyone anywhere, except when people might not have any ability whatsoever to rule themselves — the many so-called ‘nations’ in Africa come to mind. I will look forward to your further article on more of this book. In the meantime, I will re-read and digest this discussion further.

    • nineofclubs
      Posted February 3, 2020 at 12:04 am | Permalink

      Nothing wrong with having your head in clouds of art.. As William Morris said;

      “If you cannot learn to love real art, at least learn to hate sham art and reject it.”

      I read Hazony’s book on the recommendation of CC some months ago and found it refreshing on some levels, but confused on others. Hazony’s understanding of the organic nation is – to my mind – overly complicated. The basic unit of the nation is the family. The extended family is the clan or tribe. The very extended family – those who share culture, history and genetic descent (from some historical reference point) with you – this is the nation. That’s all there is to it.

      Hazony is also vague on defining nation as opposed to state and country,

      To my mind, the state is the administrative and legal apparatus responsible for governing a piece of territory. Country is the piece of territory governed by a state.

      In the nineofclubs perfect world, every organic nation has its own homeland (country), with its own state to govern it. This is also the basis of national liberation theory, which I support.

      You note that your studies led you to believe ’that a full-blown Socialist state is not a good idea for anyone anywhere’.

      I’m not sure what you mean by a full-blown socialist state, but I think I disagree with your conclusion. The Nordic Model includes high taxation, a highly unionised workforce and well financed public sector (often featuring a single payer health system). By American standards this is full blown socialism, I think? The Nordic model delivered some of the best standards of living on the planet for Scandinavian countries in the late 20th century. At the same time, Western economies were pumping GDP growth by stuffing our countries full of immigrants and flatlining real wages for our workers. Like living on a diet of sweets and loving the short term sugar rush.

      But what about the Soviet Union, you say? By comparison to the US and other Western countries, (most of) the USSR was definitely behind on material conditions. But the integrity of the nations of the USSR wasn’t being corroded in the same way that capitalism was eating away at the West. This is precisely why Eastern European nations are such white places today. In some places (eg Afghanistan) the Soviet influence did actually lead to an improvement in material conditions and liberation of women from the madness of Islamic theocracy. Education was promoted and technological study valued. Compare and contrast to ‘free’ Afghanistan.

      The Cold War was – as you say – a messy conflict. It was messy because it was a continuation of the fratricidal conflict of brothers incited by capitalism, of which WW1and 2 were the bloodiest chapters.

      The value of Hazony’s book is in that it gives intellectual legitimacy to nationalism. It doesn’t endorse capitalism. Leave that to the neo-cons and libertards.


  8. rujv
    Posted February 3, 2020 at 1:22 pm | Permalink

    Somebody give this book to Sargon of Akkad, to see if he drops that “muh liberalism” shtick. John Locke was relevant centuries ago, not anymore. The Social paradigm has shifted and everybody else has moved on, except Sargon.

  9. Captain John Charity Spring MA
    Posted February 8, 2020 at 12:27 pm | Permalink

    Yes, primogeniture was designed to create a war machine. Second and third sons had to fight to get on in life.

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    Confessions of a Reluctant Hater (2nd ed.)

    The Hypocrisies of Heaven

    Waking Up from the American Dream

    Green Nazis in Space!

    Truth, Justice, and a Nice White Country

    Heidegger in Chicago

    The End of an Era

    Sexual Utopia in Power

    What is a Rune? & Other Essays

    Son of Trevor Lynch's White Nationalist Guide to the Movies

    The Lightning & the Sun

    The Eldritch Evola

    Western Civilization Bites Back

    New Right vs. Old Right

    Lost Violent Souls

    Journey Late at Night: Poems and Translations

    The Non-Hindu Indians & Indian Unity

    Baader Meinhof ceramic pistol, Charles Kraaft 2013

    Jonathan Bowden as Dirty Harry

    The Lost Philosopher, Second Expanded Edition

    Trevor Lynch's A White Nationalist Guide to the Movies

    And Time Rolls On

    The Homo & the Negro

    Artists of the Right

    North American New Right, Vol. 1

    Some Thoughts on Hitler

    Tikkun Olam and Other Poems

    Under the Nihil

    Summoning the Gods

    Hold Back This Day

    The Columbine Pilgrim

    Confessions of a Reluctant Hater

    Taking Our Own Side

    Toward the White Republic

    Distributed Titles


    The Node

    The New Austerities

    Morning Crafts

    The Passing of a Profit & Other Forgotten Stories

    Gold in the Furnace