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The latest lie in the ongoing Tommy Robinson saga came in the form of a report that he has been moved from a prison with a smaller Muslim population to one that is “seventy-one percent Muslim,” the implication being that the British government is intentionally trying to get Tommy killed by placing him among populations that will do their dirty work for them. The claim appears to have originated from Caolan Robertson, Tommy’s “manager.”
Given the dishonesty in his advocates’ initial coverage of the stunt that got him arrested, I found myself skeptical of this claim, and decided to see if I could find any more plausible explanation. If you haven’t read that original essay, please do so now.
Tommy’s advocates would have us believe that all hope for formally administered justice in the UK is lost—why? Because Schrödinger’s Muslim is never arrested for his crimes, unless someone like Tommy steps in to help. According to them, this is why we shouldn’t judge Tommy for his recent stunt, even if it did risk endangering this and future trials. Yet somehow, when Tommy goes to jail, Schrödinger’s Muslim is already there in vast numbers, ready to threaten him with murder.
What gives? Is Schrödinger’s Muslim imprisoned for his crimes or not? As I pointed out in my last essay on this incident, they most certainly are. Official UK statistics show us that a whopping three-quarters of imprisoned child molesters in the UK are Muslim.
Has the system failed at times? Yes. Should we angry about that? Yes. Should we seek to ensure that it never happens again? Yes. But it still works more often than not—and Tommy’s stunt really did make a successful trial less likely. This is why he doesn’t deserve our support. Short-sighted and counter-productive actions don’t deserve our sympathy, and we should be angry when we are treated as suckers, such as when Robinson feigns bewilderment and surprise after clearly communicating that he knows what he is doing will get him arrested.
So the claim that the State has whipped up some false pretext to arrest Tommy Robinson purely for the purposes of silencing him is ridiculous. Tommy was arrested for exactly this same thing in a previous trial already—and if the British establishment were simply out to get him at all costs, it would have thrown him in jail for the full sentence after that first offense. It didn’t. Instead, the State let him go—with a warning not to do it again. Tommy went and did it again. Thus, if he is a victim, he is only a victim of his own stupidity. More likely, the real victims are those who fell for the stunt and are now pitching in donations, marching in the streets, and risking injury and arrest over a lie. Perhaps Robinson simply learned how profitable a prison sentence can be after crowdfunding appeals during his previous arrests.
All of this makes me quite suspicious when the same people are telling me that the State is now out to throw Tommy in with as many Muslims as possible just to get him killed. Again, if that were their intent, why did they not even make him serve his sentence the last time he was convicted of the very same crime? It beggars belief.
Let me be clear about the fact that none of this is officially confirmed—the State is prohibited from publicizing the specific details of the case. This is simply the result of my own digging. However, it appears that Tommy Robinson was relocated from one prison to another in order to move him closer to his family. Robinson was arrested in Leeds. He was then held in a prison in Hull, about an hour’s drive east of Leeds. Leeds and Hull (source) are part of the northern half of England (known to Brits as “the North”), in a region known as Yorkshire and the Humber. Robinson and his family live in Luton (source), which is in England’s South, about an hour north of London.
The reports claim that Robinson was moved to “somewhere in the East Midlands,” though no specific city can officially be named. Plugging these locations into Google Maps, Hull is about three hours’ drive from Luton. The part of the East Midlands that’s farthest from Luton is Derbyshire. The closest point is Northamptonshire. Derbyshire is only two hours away, while the distance between Luton and Northamptonshire is about fifty minutes. Ergo: Tommy Robinson was moved to a prison that is one to two hours closer to his home. This is a far more likely purpose for the relocation.
Interestingly enough, the original comment made by Caolan Robertson was, “We’ve found the statistics of the prison, it’s about seventy-one percent Muslim. Really, really, really disastrous. The last one was close to two percent.”
The reference to “finding the statistics” was clearly supposed to convey that they were in possession of officially collected, cold, hard statistics on the makeup of inmates at the prison. But the claim quickly fell apart, because there are no prisons anywhere in the whole UK where Muslims are seventy-one percent of prisoners. Overall, Muslims are about six percent of the British population and about fifteen percent of its prison population. When exempting children and only taking into account the population over the age of 15, this is an overrepresentation of nearly four times. When the claim was disproven, Caolan backtracked to claiming that Tommy Robinson had merely said that the prisoners on his particular wing “looked to be about” seventy percent Muslim.
But this was an obviously dishonest move. You just don’t talk about “finding statistics” by accident. And who eyeballs a group of people and then throws out a number as specific as “seventy-one percent,” anyway? These people think you’re stupid. You should be angry about that.[1]
As it turns out, 7.4 percent of Hull Prison’s 1,062 prisoners are Muslim, for a total of 79. While we don’t know to where in the Midlands Robinson was moved, the only candidate to be named by the individuals pushing paranoia about this so far is HMP Leicester. 14.3 percent of Leicester’s 308 prisoners are Muslim, for a total of 44. If Robinson was moved from Hull Prison to HMP Leicester, then the total number of Muslims around him was nearly cut in half.
Another piece of disinformation floating around in our circles is the fact that Kevin Crehan, the British man sentenced to a year in jail for wrapping bacon around the door handles of local mosques and posting “No Mosques” flyers nearby, was killed by Muslims in prison halfway through his twelve-month sentence. This story, which does not even mention his cause of death, has been endlessly shared on social media as “proof” that Tommy Robinson is in danger of being murdered by Muslims.
It turns out, though, that Crehan died from a methadone overdose. The other three perpetrators who were arrested along with him, including his wife and two other individuals, one male and one female, all served their four- to nine-month sentences and made it out unscathed. So far as I’m aware, there isn’t a single precedent for someone being murdered by Muslims in jail in the UK.
I’d like to end on a note making it clear I have no sympathy with the Left just because we both agree that this was a bad move on Tommy Robinson’s part. A year ago, I wrote an essay entitled “Bad Apples.” Its thesis was that the Left’s idea is that diversity is fundamentally, intrinsically good. Our idea is that diversity is fundamentally, intrinsically a cause of ineradicable, subliminal conflict that will always resurface in human affairs—like a beach ball that has to be constantly pushed under the surface of the water in order to be kept out of view.
Thus: the Left’s bad apples undermine the Leftist thesis, and prove our point for us. But our bad apples also undermine the Leftist thesis and prove our point for us, too. What makes it possible for someone like Tommy Robinson to gain mass support and cause civil unrest through fraudulent stunts like this?
The answer is: D I V E R S I T Y.
Pushing radically different people into the same country and then punishing them when they realize they don’t get along very well is like a zoo deciding to put cats and dogs into the same cage together and then rushing in to beat the animals whenever one of them growls at one of the others. As long as you have cats and dogs in the same cage, you’re going to have needless violence that could be avoided if the cats and dogs were simply each given their own space. And as long as you insist that diversity is to be promoted at all costs, you’re going to have things like ethnic-predatory rape gangs and you’re going to have figures like Tommy Robinson profiting from and funneling peoples’ frustration away from it.
To make sure I hedge my bets here, there is at least one way that there could be some truth to Caolan’s claim: if he was moved to HMP Olney. Olney is in the East Midlands, and about thirty minutes from Tommy Robinson’s home in Luton. While I can’t find exact numbers, it looks like HMP Olney can hold more than seven hundred prisoners, and as many as thirty percent of them might be Muslim. This could give HMP Olney more than two hundred Muslim prisoners, and Olney does indeed have more problems with violence and drugs than other prisons as a result. But I’m not holding my breath until I find out that this is what’s happened.
Finally, before anyone claims we ought to endorse lies about this for propaganda purposes, I want to know exactly what you think the play should be. Exactly what would lying about this help us achieve that we can’t achieve while telling the truth?
Currently, the only thing this is causing people to do is to donate to Tommy Robinson and call for his release. Neither of these two things helps us. Is the idea that if we said nice things about Tommy, they’d give us clicks and donations? If that were our motivation, we could just sell out to Conservatism, Inc. and call it a day.
On the other hand, if you think the group marching on Tommy’s behalf is really ready to begin The Revolution, exactly what do you think this is going to look like? What is the revolution you think they’re going to achieve, and what specific steps do you think they’re going to take to achieve it?
More importantly, if you really believe this, do you think it’s so fragile that a handful of articles are going to prevent it from happening?
I’ll tell you the specifics of my strategy.
First of all, rewarding bad moves that prioritize publicity over real achievements harms us all, which is why it deserves to be fought. Specifically, it creates incentives that will be felt by everyone in our entire movement: take real action in order to tangibly help Rotherham victims, and you’ll be ignored and forgotten. Hijack this issue without actually doing anything about it, and then risk actual harm to the victims in an act of self-promotion, and you’ll be handsomely rewarded with fame and funding.
Case in point: It was the efforts of the British National Party over fifteen years ago that caused action to finally be taken to bring the cases to light. Specifically, Marlene Guest worked tirelessly towards this end and devoted the last years of her life to the case. And yet, as recounted by David Yorkshire, formerly of the BNP, at Mjolnir, Tommy Robinson’s EDL was antagonistic towards the BNP from Day One. Now he commits actions that pose a threat to the successes that the BNP’s efforts achieved, and his supporters argue that we shouldn’t care because achieving success “within the system” is impossible, anyway.
If the BNP had followed that mentality, the perpetrators of Rotherham never would have seen a day in court in the first place. Thankfully, the BNP didn’t, and consequently the perpetrators did. There are people out there who have more intelligence, due diligence, and integrity than to fall for these types of claims. The people we alienate by endorsing dishonesty are the best among us.
Instead of alienating them, my goal is to send up a signal flare to let them know that there’s a place where they are both welcome and necessary. And it’s inevitable that if we can get all of the best people in one place, then the following steps will all fall into place.
Many of them are already here. So let’s keep collecting them.
Note
[1] Of course, while backtracking from the very clear, explicit claim that they “found statistics on the prison,” Caolan changed the number from seventy-one to seventy percent. He changed the rest of the story to sound more plausible: seventy-one percent looks like a hard statistic and seventy percent looks like merely an observation a person could make. So while this may not be as bad a lie as I made it sound, it is still just as obviously a lie.
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I completely agree that Robinson was guilty and fairly sentenced; his crossing over the line of the law regarding reporting about ongoing trials was astoundingly unwise.
That said, Robinson had all his teeth knocked by Muslim inmates while he was in prison so,e years back, and – entirely plausibily – says he was lucky to avoid worse. Robinson apparently at least initially was getting 30 second & maybe 2 minutes phone calls with his friends, as is the practice at that prison.
It’s entirely understandable that they’re justifiably worried about his safety. It’s also entirely understandable that they get details wrong in such circumstances. I’m pretty sure you’re too harsh or blaming the wrong people here.
Why on earth would you respect a judiciary which lets child rapists go free and arrests old women for asking simple questions?
You’re a boot licker.
How about a judiciary that was in the process of trying 30 of these child rapists when Tommy Robinson showed up with his iPhone and possibly gave grounds for a mistrial? IF any of these child rapists goes free, it will be due to Tommy Robinson, not the hated British judiciary.
Careful what you’re licking up. Robinson and his team, including Jew Ezra Levant, have a proven record of lying and fraud.
Why is there a legal defense fund for Tommy Robinson, given that his trial is already over — expedited by the fact that HE PLEAD GUILTY? Where are all those Tardpounds going?
Robinson was apparently represented by a court-appointed lawyer because the police who arrested him deliberately gave his real lawyer false and misleading advice about his whereabouts until the proceedings from the bench (contempt rulings aren’t trials as we usually understand the term) were over and the sentence pronounced. Robinson’s Arrest and trial wasn’t announced until 10 minutes before it began, to keep his lawyers and friends from attending it.
This is pretty scummy.
Court appointed lawyers are a lazy bunch, in particular when their client is politically highly controversial, and the British police without any doubt have been abusing him pretty egregiously; it’s entirely possible that a real lawyer may have gotten a significantly better outcome.
Although I’m sure the court-appointed lawyer did the bare minimum, I don’t at all think Tommy is wrong to look into whether a more energetic lawyer can find a technicality or other means to get a more clement sentence.
I don’t know if you’re worth responding to considering you have censored my responses on many occasions.
That same judiciary which has a history of letting such child rapists off on light sentences? But hands out de facto prison death sentences to people for silly pranks such as putting pork on a Mosque?
Considering such a circus of a judiciary Tommy’s guilty plea means nothing much.
As I said, all this heat reeks of jealousy. It reminds me of the heat Andrew Anglin got from this place.
Again, to maintain the narrative that Tommy dindunuffin, you have to ignore the entire context in which he was arrested: the state is trying a whole gang of rapists, and Robinson’s presence — not the British judiciary — might be cause for a mistrial here.
As for the “death sentence” of the pork-in-mosque gang: four people went to prison. Three did their time and were released. One died there. But no, he was not murdered by Muslims, as people in our circles fervently believe. He died of a drug overdose.
Robinson’s guilty plea meant quite a lot. It means, first of all, that he did not need any further trial. Second, it means that his legal defense fund is a fraudulent cash grab.
Max, if you keep up like this, you’re never going to win a Nobel prize.
It was the British politicians, law enforcement, and prosecutors who turned a blind eye to the rape gangs. The problem wasn’t that the judges met them off, but that they were never put on trial.
Robinson, paradoxically, in his latest adventure never even met a prosecutor, politician, or even law enforcement (the cops filming him were working as officers of the court and not as members of the police force) the judge found him in contempt (basically ruled that he was misbehaving in or around his courtroom) based on what the judge and video recordings had seen.
Britain has no first amendment and strict rules about reporting about ongoing court cases, so as to try to make them as fair as possible; somewhat analogous to the US, where juries can be sequestered. If these rules are broken, the law can require declaring a mistrial and retrying the case a second time.
This may be wise or unwise, but it’s their law. Robinson had been already found guilty once and given a suspended sentence; it was extraordinarily stupid to even get close to crossing it again.
It’s not called boot-licking; it’s called thinking.
Whoever Robinson is, whatever he personally stands for – we must use all circumstances to our full advantage, we cannot afford to throw away a “free meal” at fermenting a revolution
I think you’re exactly right to identify this as the crux of this issue. However, my position on that question is: I don’t want the kinds of people who are gullible enough to fall for this stuff to be running the revolution. I see no reason to think they’d have the diligence, intelligence, or integrity to put something better in its place. I will bet literally any figure you’d like, right here and now, that we won’t see any formidable revolution come from this crowd once the spectacle is over.
So far, the only thing I see them tangibly doing about anything is donating to Robinson’s fund. That only creates an incentive for more people in our kinds of circles to pull stunts like the one Tommy just did for the financial reward. Creating that kind of incentive sounds like a great way to let bad ‘activism’ crowd out the good. So not only do we not get a functional revolution out of this, we also create toxic incentives within our small ranks as well.
As it happens, Tommy Robinson wasn’t even the figure most responsible for bringing Rotherham to light. That was Marlene Guest, of the BNP, over 15 years ago now: https://www.google.com/amp/s/centurean2.wordpress.com/2009/03/27/only-the-bnp-made-something-happen-says-grandfather-of-latest-muslim-sex-grooming-scandel-victimhow-many-more-years-will-this-be-allowed-to-continue-channel4-in-the-90s-covered-this/amp/
And yet, Robinson’s EDL was antagonistic towards the BNP from the start. From the beginning, Robinson looked down on the people who did the most work to actually bring justice to Rotherham. Then he more or less took credit by hijacking their cause. Now he promotes himself while doing tremendous disservice to the victims themselves by endangering their trials and risking forcing hem to live through it all over again.
People who are too dense to see the problem here truly might be more dangerous t than enemies. If we can’t trust them to see what’s best for Rotherham’s victims now, and they can’t even keep those victims in focus as they get caught up this new spectacle instead, what exactly should they be trusted with?
Should I think that if they’d fall for Tommy’s stunt, they’d have my back as well if the State were to come after me – even though they were nowhere to be seen when people like Bedford-Turner were jailed for speech?
All these anti-Tommy articles are dumb. As far as I’m aware, Counter Currents are the only ones counter signaling against Tommy.
As far as Tommy’s actions possibly leading to a mistrial and Muslim pedophiles or rapists getting let loose: it doesn’t matter. You’re focusing so much on the trees that you miss the forest. For every one Muslim who is imprisoned for rape or whatever, there will be 5 more being allowed in via open immigration policies.
Whether everything you’ve said about Tommy is true or not is totally irrelevant, Tommy The Meme is far more important than Tommy The Man. Nobody actually looks into all the details surrounding these types of cases. What Timmy is to us is a good propaganda piece and you guys are the only ones counter signaling that popular narrative.
The Alt Right is *not* strong enough to stand on our own. We were effective in 2016 because we could blend in with the masses of Trump supporters and latch onto a popular movement. We were effective because, politically, we played the game like Mugadadeen fighters in 1980s Afghanistan— attack the Soviets and then hide out in villages or places where attacks against your dudes would also kill civilians to use as propaganda, “the Soviets are slaughtering civilians!”, even though it wasn’t intentional.
Propaganda is more important than truth and CC are making a bad tactical move in attacking Tommy.
I disagree. Our movement is small, fragile, and easily demoralized. Allowing ourselves to become excited by transparent fakes only lays the foundation for another demoralizing failure.
Robinson is being promoted by Ezra Levant and his ilk as a leader to ensure a Jew-safe, Jew-controlled opposition in the UK. He’s a truly shady, dishonest character. I am not going to remain silent about him.
A “what if” question.
What if there are moves in the background to take the complete movements against multiculturism and anything that works against the whites in all countries over, by pretending to be on our side? Pegida. Wilders. People exposing the problems in South Africa. If one would undertake such a move, it would be by fronting (you push weaklings or halfbreeds of our kind to the front, while pulling the strings from the back). In such a clever way that only a few people would be able to notice it. Most people have no political talent. Continually moving in the grey zone for an outside observer, who would never be sure what actually was happening, for he will not be allowed to see the wood for the trees, until it is too late.
I will be watching.
Tommy is a kosher yob. Plain and simple. All of the salivating and want, crave, desire, swoon for a revolt they will take , literally, any golem the zhids throw out. Make no mistake, TR is a golem. His revolt is microwave safe, just enough crackle to make the edgy caffeinated revolutionaries feel vindicated and on the edge of total apocalypse. But, it’s not gonna happen. We need more Order, less Tommy.
All this heat against Tommy Robinson reeks of jealousy.
He may not be right-winged enough, but in his limited capacity has done far more than publish articles.
At least he has the guts to go head to head with the Rotherham rapists and condemn them. Who here has done that?
Tommy Robinson had nothing to do with originally bringing the problem of grooming gangs to public attention. That was done by people in the British National Party that he condemns as evil racists. Opportunist and fraud that he is, though, Robinson has simply capitalized on the earlier work of better men, and either Robinson himself or his Tommytards have actually arrogated credit for it. If he were simply trying to amplify the truth and the anger about these Muslim gangs, nobody would object to that. But he’s obviously more interested in getting publicity for himself and playing the martyr than helping the cause of justice. Again, Robinson has twice plead guilty to contempt of court for reporting on ongoing trials where his presence could give grounds for a mistrial. He could have been anywhere else in the UK bringing attention to the problem of Muslim grooming gangs. But on two occasions, he chose to be in the one place where his presence could impede not advance justice. Clearly, he is more interested in being the center of drama than in helping promote justice for the victims of grooming gangs.
An update on the current state of the post John Tyndall BNP would be interesting.
Isn’t the EDL just a kosher-approved way of safely channeling anti-Muslim sentiment?
Fake News. Tommy is playing his role.. The goal is to “reform” the Muslims so that they fit better in the multi-kulti Britain.. According to Tommy the problem is not Muslims per se, it’s Islam.. or as they put it — RADICAL ISLAM.. According to the Neo-Marxists such as Tommy and his enablers, the problem is not multi-kulti, it’s Islam.. The problem is not that White Europeans will not have homelands (ethno states), the problem is that Islam is not compatible with Libral Style Western Society..
The Jew/Protestant (freemasons) alliance is attempting a similar feat to what they accomplished in much of the Occident regarding the Catholic Church — Reformation.. The deformed Catholics, a.k.a., Protestants, are now busy “reforming” muslims.. The problem remains — the project of blending out Whites out of existance through misagenation is in full swing.. And Tommy is not on our side..
Critics of CC for “counter-signaling” (a disgusting term, as if we’re SJWs in lockstep) TR miss the point of this site and the state of the movement. Of the former, metapolitics, not politics. Of the latter, the reason politics don’t matter here is because there is no political movement of us or friendly to us that has the power to capitalize on TR’s imprisonment, even if it was the right play. Saying we need to use this as a propaganda device mocks our lack of real power.
There is no action we can take, nothing we can actually do, that advances political ends here. As for spreading ideas, nothing worth advancing from TR: legally in the wrong, not even original in his adopted cause, fraudulent, friend of Zion, and open critic of actual nationalists to the right.
Enjoy the chaos to the extent TR and his ilk may stir it up, but the goals of our movement don’t align here. As usual, men of the cause should focus on acquiring skills, capital, and close, loyal friendships with other men in particular and not on talking about the latest celebrity distraction.
I am a bit of a TR fan but this is quite a well balanced and well written piece. Emotions are running very high and so are tensions in the uk right now. Its worth mentioning that even with the more accurate figures for Muslim prisoners, they will all be on the same wing at their own request and that wing will obviously be almost all Muslim, so putting him on that wing would still place him in great danger. Its comparable to percentage of Muslims in the uk at around six percent but if you are in certain areas of the uk such birmingham or bradford you will almost certainly be outnumbered in certain pockets of these areas and you would be ill advised to walk though these places wearing a Kippah!!!!! Just a note, TR was badly assaulted in prison previously>
“One on the other hand, if you think the group marching on Tommy’s behalf is really ready to go begin The Revolution, exactly what do you think this is going to look like? What is the revolution you think they’re going to achieve, and what specific steps do you think they’re going to take to achieve it?”
This I feel is a bit of a strawman on a couple levels.
Are they ready to start a revolution? As in now? Like right this second? No. But if and when revolution comes to the UK, those will be the people fighting it. It will not be a different group. It will be them: the class of society that Robinson draws his support from. It won’t be the middle class and it won’t be the university students.
White nationalism in the UK has always been closely intertwined with soccer culture. BNP and National Front always drew heavily from soccer hooligan firms. And that’s who really came out for Tommy Robinson: a bunch of soccer yobs. Who do you think was chasing the police around? Plus there’s this whole working class “street cred” thing over there which is incomprehensible to Americans yet everyone in the UK takes it ridiculously seriously.
But even talking about revolution is hyperbolic. The example I have in mind is Black Lives Matter. BLM began as a response to the Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman affair. Now, the fact that Trayvon Martin was a total hoodlum who got what was coming to him did not let that stop them. Nor did they stop once Zimmerman was acquitted.
That was five years ago and BLM are STILL with us. Not only are they still with us but their platform has broadened in scope. They used to be strictly about police shootings but now they are an all-purpose black advocacy group.
That’s what I think COULD happen to #FreeTommy. It might be about Tommy Robinson NOW but that could and probably will change. Some other high profile figures could be hit with a hate charge and the Tommy fans might say “Ya know, doing that last rally for Tommy was pretty fun. How about we do another one?” Which is basically what BLM did. Once the Zimmerman trial was over, they started again with Mike Brown. They kept doing that over and over until now they are on every college campus.
Now, if BLM had taken your advice and waited for the perfect black victim, some high school valedictorian with no criminal record and who just got accepted to Harvard volunteers and got blown away while helping an old lady across the street, they would be waiting forever.
I think one of two things will happen to #FreeTommy. Either it will lose steam very quickly or it will go on for a long time. What I don’t think will happen is that they will go on until Tommy is released and then disband. If they keep it up for 12 months, I think they will find a reason to keep it going. Nor do I think Tommy Robinson will be able to get out of prison and waltz into the leadership role of the movement should it still exist. He’d be too out-of-the-loop.
I think you’re trying to be both a beggar and a chooser here. You want a revolt but not THIS revolt. You want people speaking out but not THOSE people speaking out. Do you wanna sit around and wait for the NEXT spontaneous uprising of vaguely nationalistic expression? Like these things come around every 15 minutes and if you don’t like this one, maybe the next spontaneous uprising of vaguely nationalistic expression will be more to your liking? Maybe it will check all the right boxes? Maybe with a pretty little bow on top and your name written on it in crayon? Because I’m not as confident as you are that there will be next time.
One does not need “net losses” cases in the national camp.
An article on “net losses” (this does not mean these persons are only loosers. Many have done valuable work. For example I have a great respect for David Irving). I would challenge mr. Bryant on some cases. Unfortunately he has passed away. He was no idiot, and would have been be more right than wrong.
http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Index-NetLoss.html
When I read what the Birdman wrote about Irving back in 2003, I thought the Birdman was a libertarian kook. But he turned out to be 100% right. If you still have respect for David Irving, chances are you haven’t paid attention to what he’s been doing lately (such as f.ex. confirming the six million dead Jews without a shred of evidence). It’s astounding how the Birdman’s characterization of him as a liar and a thief turned out to be true. Even Irving’s secretary, Jaenelle, called him a thief and left him.
“Even Irving’s secretary, Jaenelle, called him a thief and left him.”
You are more up to date than me. Now why would he be like that? This is not the David Irving I knew from his books and a visit to South Africa many years ago. Strange.
The six million – is it pressure brought about by existential anxiety? He is not a young man anymore.
A remarkably lucid and sound assessment of a depressing situation. I will not be donating to Tommy and thank you for your objective analysis.
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