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Tensions between President Donald Trump and Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene have been escalating for some time. But now there has been a permanent split. Trump not only withdrew his endorsement of MTG but promised his “Complete and Unyielding Support” to the right person who runs against her in the Republican primary election. Then MTG announced her resignation from the House of Representatives. Her oral statement is available here and written statement here.
Marjorie Taylor Greene did not betray Trump until Trump betrayed his nationalist and populist principles, to which she remains fiercely loyal.
The whole incident revealed the full ugliness of Trump’s egomania: demanding personal loyalty, not loyalty to the American people. Sadly, a lot of people are happy to take that deal: Trump’s vast cult of personality, which eagerly joined Trump in denouncing MTG. Such cults do not arise spontaneously. They are actively cultivated by people with narcissistic personality disorders.
This is not the first time Trump has tried to destroy the career of Republicans who crossed him. Trump’s betrayal of Senator Jeff Sessions is one of the lowest points of his first term. Trump also is working to destroy Thomas Massie, and he probably will do the same to Rand Paul.
All these victims have two things in common. First, they have better principles than the average Republican including Trump. (Which is not to say that I always agree with them.) Second, because they are more principled than Trump, they sometimes say “no” to him. So they have to go.
Meanwhile, Trump courts the likes of Zohran Mamdani, works actively with Republican swamp creatures like Marco Rubio and Lindsay Graham, endorses palpable morons like Herschel Walker, and staffs his administration with incompetent buffoons like Pam Bondi and Kash Patel.
What do all these people have in common? They suck up to Trump. They flatter his narcissism. And that counts more than principle or competence, even loyalty to the American people, whose welfare is the supreme law of the land.
Even the best people around Trump, like Vance and Hegseth, spend entirely too much time buttering up their boss. But that’s what he expects from them.
Trump deserves many thanks for the good things he has done. But if he keeps strengthening his ideological enemies while surrounding himself with cultish people selected for sycophancy rather than competence, strong principles, and strong character, his good works will be reversed not continued when he is gone. Making American Great Again will have been sacrificed to Making Trump Feel Good about Himself. Something great and lasting will have been sacrificed to something petty and fleeting.
Trump cultists claim that MTG turned on Trump because she was angry about Trump’s internal polling showing that she would lose if she tried to run for senate against the Democrat incumbent Jon Ossoff. This narrative conveniently ignores substantial policy differences.
Greene criticized the H-1B visa program and introduced a bill to end it entirely, explaining “If we want the next generation to have the American Dream, we must stop replacing them and start investing in them.” In contrast, Trump claimed that we need foreigners to train American workers to make chips. This is ridiculous because there are plenty of retired (or perhaps fired/laid off) Americans with that expertise. They haven’t all died off since the 1990s. But big tech companies would have to be willing to pay them a fair wage to come back. As one meme put it, in Trump’s America, you no longer train your replacement, your replacement trains you.
Zionism is another huge problem. Greene takes America First seriously and recognizes that an America First administration cannot follow Israel First policies. This summer, MTG became the first—and so far only—Republican in Congress to call Israel’s campaign in Gaza a genocide. Meanwhile, Trump has doubled down on supporting Israel, Netanyahu, and their genocidal war of terror. But there’s no way to avoid the simple truth: there’s no room for an Israel First wing in an America First political movement.
Another huge problem is Trump’s shameful coverup of Jeffrey Epstein’s crimes, which enmesh vast swathes of the Western political establishment. Along with Thomas Massie, Greene has been a leading voice calling for accountability for Epstein and his collaborators. In a rambling Truth Social post, Trump dismissed MTG’s demands for accountability as complaining, but not after rambling off his accomplishments as if they were titles.
MTG retorted that she had helped Trump for six years and won her seat without his endorsement. In response to Trump calling her a traitor for refusing to take her name off of the petition to fully discharge the Epstein files, she said:
Let me tell you what a traitor is, a traitor is an American that serves foreign countries and themselves. A patriot is someone who serves the United States of America, and Americans, like the women standing behind me . . .
Those women were victims of Epstein’s sex trafficking.
Due to months of immense online and real-life pressure, the House of Representatives and Senate finally passed the Epstein Files Transparency Act ordering a full release of the Epstein files, which Trump grudgingly signed. MTG explained it was only possible because the American people “put more pressure on every single elected politician in this city than has ever been put on them.”
Of course, passing a bill means nothing unless there is accountability. MTG explained this well:
The DOJ is protecting pedophiles and sex traffickers. The time for that to stop is now. . . . How will we know if this bill has been successful? We will know when there are men—rich men—in handcuffs, being perp-walked to jail. Until then, this is still a cover-up.
These words are worth cheering.
Her call for real, concrete results with the Epstein files echoes the sentiments in her resignation statement: “. . . Republican or Democrat, nothing ever gets better for the common American man or woman” and “Corporate and global interests remain Washington’s sweethearts.” She explained how this was true for inflation, funding foreign adventures, replacing workers with illegal and legal migrants, high debt, and both parents having to work just to survive. It reads like a populist manifesto.
People have been criticizing MTG for resigning two days after she receives her federal pension. But this criticism is in bad faith. Her pension will only probably be about $8,700 a year due to the short length of her political career. Besides, she earned it. But Trump apologists have become utterly shameless.
Zionists and Trump fanatics are touting MTG’s resignation as a victory. But they are short-sighted. Her resignation is a harbinger of their doom.
Donald Trump chases fame and flattery. He is not a man of principle. He flips-flops so often on fundamentals that it frankly feels like we are being governed by whoever Trump talked to last. This is extremely frustrating to more principled nationalists and populists, which is to say: practically all of us.
We are constantly saying, “That’s it! We’re through” and breaking up with Trump. Make no mistake: every time Trump flip-flops, he loses some people permanently. But for most people, such personal decisions seldom have any permanent, real-world consequences, thus it is easy to get sucked back in to actively or passively supporting Trump again.
This is why MTG’s resignation is so important. She’s not just a random malcontent muttering online. She’s a widely admired figure who stood by Trump and MAGA through thick and thin. If somebody as loyal as MTG quits her job in disgust over the Epstein coverup, Israel First foreign policy, and a general pattern of arrogance and betrayal, ask yourself how many of Trump’s principled America First voters will be willing to follow her in breaking with Trump, this time for good? How many of them will stay away from the polls in the 2026 midterms?
Republican voter turnout for 2025’s Virginia gubernatorial elections dropped by 7.7% from 55.8% in 2021 to 48.1%. That drop was even more pronounced in Virginia’s rural GOP strongholds. This is despite the fact that Jay Jones, the Democrat candidate for Attorney General, is a murderous anti-white, anti-Republican fanatic.
Multiple polls show that the economy is now the top issue for voters. Trump’s vaunted “golden age” seems like tinfoil to people who can’t even afford burritos at Chipotle. People get less and less for their work while Trump is focused on foreign policy, especially Israel. That naturally makes voters feel like neglected children.
The Epstein files are an additional slap in the face. YouGov polling from July found that the vast majority of US voters think the government is covering up evidence about Epstein and should release all documents on the case. Perhaps most shocking is that the number of people with no confidence that those connected to Epstein would be investigated rose from 25% in January to 45%. That number rose from 29% to 39% for Republicans. Recent polling confirms that the Epstein issue isn’t going away anytime soon.
It only takes a small slump at the polls in a few close districts to destroy the Republican majority in Congress. Then Trump is looking at two more years of impeachment drama and government paralysis. If the Republicans don’t learn from the midterms, they will likely lose in 2028 as well. And, if the Left regains power, they will do everything they can to end American democracy, because they never want to hand power back to the Right again.
At that point, the people who backed Trump to stop socialism, save Western civilization—even save the world—will lose everything. Many will end up in prison, like Jair Bolsonaro. Others will have to flee the country.
I’d prefer that Marjorie Taylor Greene stay in Congress and fight. But her resignation might do more good if it awakens people to the damage Trump is doing. There’s too much at stake to leave the presidency in the hands of an increasingly bumbling and erratic egomaniac.
Frankly, the best option may be to replace Trump with Vance as quickly as possible, before the damage becomes irreversible. Make a meme of it:
Dump Trump. Give Vance a Chance.
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We need more politicians like her, she could see what was going on with the Israel lobby and corporate interests that undermine whites. It’s unfortunate that she is leaving.
We really should be up in arms about what was done to MTG—she was railroaded out. Significant information available regarding how she was treated like an outsider on the Hill and she KEPT getting back in the ring for US, only to get bloodied once again by THEM. If similar happens to Thomas Massey it’ll be time for torches and pitchforks (and Trump is doing his best [worst?] regarding Massey).
Though Dr. Johnson only said, “better than Trump on most metrics.” Too many red flags with Vance. His grooming began very early in his political career by the likes of Peter Thiel (PayPal mafia/global surveillance), his campaign contributors, mixed marriage (likely pegged and arranged—for a reason), and his grooming likely being fortified during Trump’s first term. And didn’t this guy pretty much come out of nowhere? Hmm.
Trump and Netanyahu have pummeled Gaza in to the sandbox they’ve had wet dreams about come “Riviera on the Mediterranean.” They’ll be busy with that and doing damage control for years, time to hunker down until we “fagetta about it.” We must not be fooled by a seemingly “quiet” period where things appear to head our way.
Also, because Americans are increasingly souring on Israel, I would dismiss the following as long-game theatrics rather than a sign Vance is “his own man:”
https://demstate.com/article/vice-president-jd-vance-skips-wall-kissing-ritual-in-israel
P.S. I didn’t use “shadow government” in my comment because I believe it’s a misnomer, it implies a second government. Too often once a phrase slips into common use we’re stuck with a less than clear term. I believe our “government’s shadow” is MUCH more telling. The fact that a shadow is always moving behind the object when light is directed at it, all the better.
If you agree, please use it. The fluidity of language CAN be used to benefit us, not simply befuddle us.
Owen Gregory: November 28, 2025 … Too often once a phrase slips into common use we’re stuck with a less than clear term...
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Good point, Owen. We are word-controlled humans, but unfortunately, our enemies are setting language standards for the most part with their control of mass media. Take the Ebonic word woke for example. Take new feminist pronoun rules when “they/them” follow an antecedent singular subject.
A word I’ve noticed is “normie,” ostensibly referring to whites who are not yet racially conscious, much less racially responsible — like they are the normal ones. We White separatists/preservationists are the normal ones, apart from much more numerous white herd animals.
Mrs. Greene never struck me as a quitter. There has been a place for her, especially when criticizing Israel. Who else in Congress will entertain us with ignorant gaffes, like this one of hers.
“Not only do we have a D.C. jail — which is a D.C. gulag — but now we have Nancy Pelosi’s gazpacho police spying on members of Congress, spying on the legislative work that we do, spying on our staff, and spying on American citizens that want to come talk to their representatives.”
Perhaps that stupid nigger congressman who said the island of Guam would tip over and capsize if too many Marines were sent there?
James ‘JD Vance’ Bowman gives me the same fraudulent vibe as Barry “Barack Obama’ Sotero always did and does. A Caucasian version, though, so I suppose that will be sufficient for many. Myself, no thanks.
Which is it? He “came out of nowhere” or there’s a long paper trail all the way back to when he was in college?
touché
Thank you for opportunity to clarify. Yes, JD Vance has a (quite commendable) history that for many was learned in retrospect (I’m sure by not only me) during Trump’s search for a VP running mate. And yes, politically, he came out of no where. Aside from name changes (inconsequential), awareness of JD Vance (at least mine) came with the release of his book, “Hillbilly Elegy” near Trump’s first term for which JD didn’t vote for him and actually referred to him as an “idiot” at the time. In 2020 the movie based on the book was released (great timing) likely broadening awareness of Vance greatly (A picture is worth …), a rags-to-riches, rugged-individualist, all-American boy story with a robust man of the right age to be the VP for a very likely last-term or partial term president.
So Vance, relatively unknown to Americans not too long ago, was likely an early pawn soon to be morphed into MAGA MAN in the long-game for our governments shadow.
I agree with everything written by Greg here EXCEPT give Vance a chance (?!) He is worse than Trump and THEY are already lining him up for the next presidency.
I think we need to give more of our attention to nationalist republicans at other levels of govt.
2 cents.
Vance is the logical successor if Trump dies, resigns, or is removed. I think he is better than Trump on most metrics. If installed before 2028 he has a better chance than Trump of solidifying and carrying out Trump’s immigration policies.
Immigration moratorium now. The mass of foreign immigrants are not coming here to be Americans. They form their colonies and enclaves to be in America.
How many immigrants come to America because they cherish the rights to free speech and bear arms; for example?
One of the biggest issues with MAGA is that the Russian government appears to be successfully inserting its narratives via Telegram channels, social media, influencers, etc.
The claims that MAGA (and many WNs) make about the war in Ukraine are a perfect example of this. I’ve even seen good-hearted & otherwise intelligent people repeat claims that Russia needed to invade to shutdown biolabs (the idea that the Ukrainians were building anti-Slavic bioweapons has to be one of the most bizarre arguments that I’ve ever heard).
I am waiting for the day when we hear that Russia invaded Ukraine to psyop the Swedes and Finns into joining NATO as part of a 5d chess move to defeat NATO from inside with Nordic liberalism <facepalm>.
Yes, this is a huge problem, and MTG is not immune, sadly. But I still think he’s been horribly mistreated, and that her resignation bodes ill for MAGA.
MTG is doing a great job. Too bad she quit. She was elected to Congress for a two-year term. She can leave afterwards, if she wants. But she must stay on, to hold the Trump administration and the GOP to account for their total subservience to Israel, AIPAC and the Jews.
However, the Democrats are 1,000 times worse than even the GOP. They are also the willing tools of Israel. And they are overtly “woke” – meaning anti-White, pro-crime and pro-pervert. Biden’s presidency was just a warning shot. If they win in 2026 and 2028, it will mean genocide for the White race, and the final destruction of America.
A month ago Greene said some classic cuck stuff: that she was a “conservative” in the “construction industry” and that that industry depends on illegals, so she was criticizing Trump and ICE for rounding people up. Very disappointing–assuming the article was reported and written correctly, which is a big assumption.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/government/marjorie-taylor-greene-reveals-latest-rift-with-maga-as-she-bucks-trump-on-ice-raids-that-were-core-of-his-campaign/ar-AA1Ok5II
Hopefully she runs for office again sometime. She’ll be missed. Over the last month she has decisively gotten the better of Trump in their feud. Recently, MTG has managed to attack Trump from the Right while adopting a tone of friendliness, moderation, and bipartisanship- and the Trump-obsessed media ate it up. For a few weeks, the Left’s favorite Republican was also the one who wanted to end all H-1B visas. While Trump is very combative but not radical at all, MTG found a way to be both radical and non-threatening.
I don’t quite understand why she’s resigning, as I don’t think it’s at all clear that she would have lost her seat. Perhaps she has her eyes on the 2026 governor’s race in GA, or even the 2028 Republican presidential primary?
She’s done a great job making a name for herself for a future run. Even in burning her bridges she’s endearing herself to the American voter:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/government/mtg-lashes-out-at-trump-administration-congress-for-losing-the-base/ar-AA1E4Ami
I don’t quite understand why she’s resigning, as I don’t think it’s at all clear that she would have lost her seat. Not so subtly threatened by zog, maybe?
Trump takes his outlook from the business world into politics. He views his political allies as employees and his enemies as competitors. In business, you make deals with competitors, but will not tolerate even the slightest insubordination from your employees.
You have an excellent analysis here of Trump’s narcissism. I view this as his most fundamental trait, which colors every single thing he does. Like all narcissists, he is powerless in the face of flattery. Trump takes this to such a hyperbolic extreme that it veers into the comedic. If you sit down with Trump, regardless of your ideology or what you may have said about him in the past, you can win him to your side with a single compliment. He’ll leave the meeting saying “This guy is a great guy. He’s doing an incredible job.” By contrast, if you’ve been instrumental in his rise to power but so much as question one policy, he will disown you, often by saying you’re “very not nice.” I always find that wording revealing of just how juvenile he really is.
To be honest, I’ve never liked Trump. At times I have hated him, such as in the second half of his first term. November was horrible for him, and I’m again moving towards hatred. I attribute anything good he’s done to the influence of good people around him. So many people have put so much hope in him. It is a tragedy, perhaps the decisive tragedy of American history, that so much depends on such a profoundly flawed person.
Although I admire her ideologic purity, I sort of wish MTG would have focused her political capital on the H1B issue and solved that instead of taking on the Israel lobby, which is a fight she’s destined to lose. we have to play compromise politics at this point.
I agree. MTG should have completed her 2-year term. She could then have focused on the H1B scam, and try to end the fraudulent “guest worker” programs. Better to drop Israel issue, although she could still monitor DOJ compliance with releasing the Epstein files. She did good work forcing thru the Epstein Files Transparency Act.
It’s difficult to win a seat in Congress. MTG owed it to her voters to finish the job. She doesn’t have to run again, if she doesn’t want to. She has no further obligation after completing her term. By resigning as of Jan 5, 2026, however, MTG hands an enormous victory to the Jewish donor class, and their agent, Trump.
I’ve been trying to start the hashtag #DumpTrump on X for a while now, there hasn’t been much response because I’m a really small account.
Frankly I’m embarrassed to have ever been a Trump supporter.
The alternatives in 2016, 2020, 2024 were worse. Much worse. Any Democrat president (Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, Kamala Harris) would be 1,000 times worse than Donald Trump.
That was proven by the Biden administration. He appointed communist “judges”, and opened the borders to 12 million illegal aliens, including the Afghan who shot two soldiers in DC on Nov 26. The Democrats are laughing about that now. That’s why they opened the borders to criminals and terrorists. Democrats have a death-wish for America.
You are correct. As bad as Trunp’s flaws are, a Democrat would be much worse. If a Democrat gets in office during the next election, the U.S. will be flooded with illegal aliens. Not only that, but a witch hunt will begin against whites who oppose the Cultural-Marxist agenda. DEI will be reinstated with a vengeance in all government institutions and many corporations.
In this day and age, no candidate without serious flaws will have a chance in hell of being SELECTED to run for office, ANY office of significance be it public or private until we move through a period so dark, shadows don’t exist. I’m not saying there isn’t talent among them, but for now that is of lesser importance.
So then what in the hell do Whites do about this here and now when we have so little and they have everything?
Much MUCH worse.
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Couldn’t disagree with GJ more.MTG criticized Trump illegal alien deportations as excessive and said he shouldn’t rely so much on deportations.Sell-out RINO crap.Her family owns a construction business(does she rely on illegal cheap labor).There is no more important issue than immigration and deporting this country of black and brown invaders.
Looked at Massie and Paul immigration record( as rated by Numbers USA),each received a horrible D+.This is to be expected from two libertarians,who are basically open border shills.Paul,Massie and to a lesser extent MTG are not examples of “principled” pols,but bad news on immigration and traitors on our most important issue.Libertarians are extremely bad news for anyone that cares about preserving White America.
Johnson should do his homework(especially on perfidious libertarians).Trump is a hell of a lot better on immigration than the terrible three.He has done a good job on the border and I love his statement,today, on the need to stop third world immigration(at least he is using the bully pulpit to criticize the enemy invaders.)Hopefully,he will follow with decisive action.
To close,let me quote Jared Taylor.”On the domestic front,Trump has done about everything a racially conscious president would do.”
Too many GOP politicos favor mass immigration, as long as it’s “legal”. And they favor the so-called “guest-worker” scams. Libertarians are the most clueless and naive.
Most non-White immigrants vote for the Democratic Party, which is overtly anti-White. The GOP politicos should have learnt that lesson by now.
Legal mass immigration of non-White foreigners destroys our common culture; destroys our unity as a nation.
Legal mass immigration inflates our bubble economy: The more the workers, the lower the wages. More people means higher housing costs. More human economic units means more people spending money, more people borrowing money. More foreign immigrant communities means traditionally White neighborhoods and communities lose our common, traditional identity; our cultural habitat dies.
It has the same effects in parts of Europe.
All those low-wage workers making cheap junk to sell at Wal-Mart, which drives local mom-and-pop stores out of business; mass immigration destroys the economy and the community.
(Kim, there’s a point to make to your “crunchies”.)
This shows why MAGA ultimately needs to be bigger than Trump.
I do hate to see MTG go, though. It’s up to her, of course, but there’s still work to be done, and at this point it’s possible to work within the system.
What bugs me is that despite Republicans holding all three branches of government, they are making no effort to enshrine any of Trump’s executive orders into law, ensuring that they will be instantly reversed when the next Democrat gets into office. What are Republican congressmen doing?! It reminds me of when they wasted Trump’s first term trying to repeal Obamacare 40 times. You might reasonably say that their majority isn’t big enough to get these things through, but they’re not even trying…
Great article, Vance gives me the creeps though. 🙃
I agree with Greg that MAGA is hanging by a thread, and that this is in no small part due to Trump himself, and with his petulant and mercurial nature.
Yes, MAGA needs to be a lot more than Trump, but (so far) it is very little indeed without Trump and his “coattails.” I am not optimistic at all about 2026 and 2028.
I appreciate that Rand Paul has voiced America First points and been critical of U.S. Aid to Israel ─ but this is massively over-shadowed by his true love in life, i.e., Libertarian budget hawkery. In the end, Rando earns the Kosher approval stamp from the you-know-whos.
We need to do a lot better. This is why Conservatism has been an albatross since Joe McCarthy was censured in the Senate 71 years ago.
Now, as far as Marjorie Taylor Greene ─ her resignation before the end of her term is outrageous. “But don’t let the door hit you on the backside on your way out, Hon.”
Yes, Trump over-reacted to the Epstein files Nothing Burger ─ but so did she. Sorry, I am not too sympathic with the regretful young whores arrayed behind her in that Press conference.
Epstein committed suicide and Ghislaine is doing twenty at Club Fed. Not much more to it than that, methinks.
If there were anything compromising let alone actionable against Trump in some “secret” Epstein file, President Bedpan and his carers would have used it already.
For MTG, I understand that she has to appeal to her Bible Belt constituents (nice people, I remember them fondly from my Army days in the Peach State) but you cannot prove a negative. Wishful-thinking isn’t necessarily reality or the truth.
You can pass laws to release files until Jesus comes a-callin’ on the mountain, but unless Trump’s critics find the smoking gun that they are sure exists, it is as fanciful a fare as for simple people who insist that Saint Jack was murdered by the Mossad (without any evidence short of tabloid fairly tales).
I am no fan of Israel and the Joos, and will readily posit that the Holocaust is a Hoax, and I will certainly be one of the first to criticize them ─ but this kind of “Epistemological Nihilism” really frustrates me.
I’d like to do a quick straw poll here with the Counter-Currents commentariat:
How many agree with the grifter Candace Owens’ take that the Mossad and the Mormons (somehow) conspired to assassinate Charlie Kirk?
Maybe we need to pass a law to release “the file.”
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It’s difficult to take anything Candace Owens says seriously.
It makes sense to me that Tyler Robinson- a Left-winger who was dating a transexual, might want to shoot one of the most well-known public critics of transexuals. It’s true that Israel loves its assassinations, but that by no means implies that any assassination of a public figure must have been the work of Israel.
DEI Grifter Candace literally said that the Mormons were Marx & Engels Communist Workers because the Utah state motto is “Industry” and the symbol is the Beehive, for industriousness. “Busy as Bees,” in the Beehive State.
In Utah, the state highway signs always have a beehive logo, whereas before WWII, the Arizona highway signs actually sported swastikas.
The Mormon Pioneer word for the Utah Territory was Deseret, which has an apiary connotation, like “the land of milk and honey” from the Bible.
So in the real world, contrary to Candace, the LDS were among the first to universally condemn Bolshevism ─ something that they actually never did with the Third Reich.
Any LDS members in Nazi Germany were encouraged to lawfully work and fight for their government. I can even think of a few Waffen-SS soldiers who were LDS, such as Dr. HaEn, the Portland podiatrist who contributed on the Axis History Forum and passed away a decade or so ago.
The Jehovah’s Witnesses on the other hand, they were opposed to any form of conscription, so many of them wound up in concentration camps, including in Allied countries.
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You call the Epstein victims “regretful young whores,” which implies they chose to go with Epstein. They were human trafficked as children. Your takes are often good, but you’ve consistently been ice cold on Epstein to such an extent that it’s pretty apparent you don’t even know the basic details of the case.
Sixty-year-olds are still “children” to their parents, so let’s de-sensationalize that term. Epstein doesn’t even fit the clinical definition of a Pedo.
Jeffrey Epstein was technically a Hebephile, a point that was recently made by none other than Megyn Kelly, much to the derision of the Democrats.
Some believe that the age of accountability starts at age 8 and continues until the person matures, and some psychiatric studies say that human brains, especially in males, do not fully mature until age 30 or therabouts.
But generally speaking, I am in favor of charging children as adults if the crimes are heinous enough like forcible rape and murder. It can’t be argued that Rastus and Raptavious did not know what they were doing was wrong and therefore should bear no accountability.
Historically, females married or at least were betrothed, at age 15. But the males had to wait longer to marry, until about age 30 when they had completed their apprenticeships or had inherited some property so that they could support a family. That might not be ideal, but that was normal life in Ancient and Medieval times.
After the Black Death, which hit the population hard but did not necessarily destroy property, and then with the Industrial Revolution, the per capita income and standard-of-living improved significantly, and marriage ages therefore started to even out for the sexes ─ being pretty close to modern ages by the 19th century, around 20 for girls and 21 for boys.
Many jurisdictions set the age of sexual accountability at 16 unless it involves an older teacher or clergyman, in which case it is “rape” by statuatory law, and I basically agree with this. The brain still hasn’t quite caught up with the body. Youngsters have maximum energy and sometimes do dumb things.
Even at age 18 or 19, most “adult” people still have a lot of maturity wanting. When I was 19, I was in the Army and in those days you could drink at that age (18 if on a base). There was a LOT of alcohol abuse.
Now the legal age for alcohol imbibement in the USA is 21, and many Europeans find that very weird. I actually did not drink, regardless, and didn’t have any bad habits, and I made NCO pretty quickly. But I was still basically a kid.
The point is that there are no magic numbers with respect to ages of “accountability,” although 18 usually is often the baseline ─ and since you could be drafted by that age, they changed the law in the USA and now you can vote at that age instead of 21. I’m one of the youngest people who still remembers the Draft.
I see these Epstein Island “whores” (as I called them) as being at least partially accountable even if they were still shy of 18 ─ and they absolutely knew exactly what they were doing. They were hardly “physical therapists.”
If anybody can prove differently, I wholeheartedly support more prosecutions ─ but the FBI has already raided and gone fishing at Epstein Island and gotten little or nothing actionable. And the Democrats would have used it against Trump if there was anything truly incriminating.
In Law, you can “suspect” a lot of things ─ but if you can’t prove it, then effectively it didn’t happen.
There is a much higher standard of proof for civil and especially criminal law than for tabloid journalism.
But what about victim’s rights?
Well, a lot of victims don’t like to hear this, but they are not super duper citizens of the universe just because they were (allegedly) victims. You have to prove it.
Both the injured parties themselves and the State itself are “victims” of crimes and misdemeanors in a technical sense. That is how the Law works.
I know what it is like to spent months and months in the hospital and ICU after being run over and nearly killed in a crosswalk by some White Trash idiot high on weed and booze, who missed seeing the red AF light in busy traffic. I do understand what it is like to be a victim and navigating the legal system. Unfortunately, I was not hit by a wealthy doctor or banker driving after a few too many.
Just before the dude’s sentencing for a drug probation violation and aggravated assault, he skipped the state and it was yours truly who tracked his ass down ─ not easy to do with people who live underneath the radar. So he was extradited back and served his due time in the State poky. If he had made a timely apology, and not tried to flee justice, I would have been a lot less hard on him as the Victim in his sentencing hearing.
I don’t like the principle of it, but the risk is not negligible, so I no longer ride a bicycle in street traffic, no matter what the sustainability police say. Your bone surgeon does not really care who was in the right or wrong after a collision. That is just the reality of the world.
People are still disputing the JFK assassination regardless of how many hearings there are and how many “secret files” get released. There are no smoking guns that were not already dealt with by the Warren Commission, or would have been duly dealt with if LHO had actually gone to trial. I think that is true with the case of Tyler Robinson as well. It will be an interesting trial.
By resigning early in a huff in order to virtue-signal, MTG has almost conceded that the Epstein File is basically a nothing-burger. Where’s the Beef?
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I don’t think Israel has anything to do with the Kirk assassination. Didn’t enter my mind. Before we knew the motives of the shooter, I was already posting on this site that it had something to do with trans ideology.
As for epstein, I think it had something to do with blackmail in some form, but the people and power blocks who stand to be damaged by it have had control of the materials for so long that surely they would have destroyed or rewritten anything that would seriously damage them. So it’s a bootless debate.
Whatever you think of Vance, he will not win elections. He is not well liked, he has no charisma, even though he talks a good game. You could say Trump despite being well liked and having charisma, is actually a dogshit speaker, with his aimless meandering that goes nowhere and fifth-grader level English. You and I can’t define what makes charisma, it’s a huge blind spot for us human beings when we can’t even quantify what makes someone charismatic or not. All I know is what most people know, and that’s that Vance doesn’t have “it” – whatever “it” is that makes a human being a leader of men. Despite his age he comes off as boyish, doughy, harmless. The last thing whites need today is another harmless leader.
I completely disagree.
“Whatever you think of Vance, he will not win elections.”
Vauquelin, Vance has been chosen for installment by the ultra rich who sponsored his biographic movie with big names like director Ron Howard & Hollywood actress Glenn Close. He is what’s planned for us: Vance with his feminist wife.
Vance tells us what we want to hear, he’s a great & measured speaker (a refreshing break from Trump) & he has youthfulness, good looks, & charm on his side. Usha, however, would be our Meghan Markle. She would privately forbid him from saying “No” to massive immigration of Indians (who just love Israel.) It’s sad to say, but I believe JD is just that whipped. It would not really surprise me if marrying her was not something of a requirement. She’s a 3rd worlder feminist, which is as bad as male feminists, in my opinion.
But you know who’s not, and who was *extremely* meticulous in selecting The Perfect supportive, +White, wife and mother to his three White children? Ron DeSantis. And DeSantis can’t run for FL Governor three times in-a-row. DeSantis is more anti-immigration than Vance, and I think he could really be a role model to the nation. His family is a solid homogeneous American nuclear family unit: same race + same religion.
My husband thinks the FL Gov could never be POTUS because nobody would want a U.S. President as short as DeSantis. (I don’t know if this opinion is very popular with modern American voters though.)
DeSantis is great in many ways, and yes has a better family. Being tall matters less in the age of TV. But the key thing is that Vance is in the line of sucession. If Trump does not finish his term, Vance need not be elected. And if he can correct some of the dumb mistakes made by Trump, then there’s a chance to keep the Left out, the borders closed, and remigration underway. If Trump keeps this up, he will destroy those possibilities.
” My husband thinks the FL Gov could never be POTUS because nobody would want a U.S. President as short as DeSantis. (I don’t know if this opinion is very popular with modern American voters though.) ”
AI says that DeSantis is is 5 Ft. 11 In. tall. That is not short.
However, it also says that there is speculation that DeSantis wears elevator cowboy boots.
Even if his real height is only something like 5′ 8″, I don’t see that as too significant, although there hasn’t been a President shorter than 6 feet since Jimmy Carter, who was 5′ 10″, the same height as President Eisenhower.
While most Presidents have been tall since McKinley, who was 5′ 7″, the average height in the USA today is still 5′ 9″, which was the height of President Truman.
If DeSantis is really 5′ 11″, I can’t see why anybody would consider him too short to be President.
On the other hand, prior to Reagan who was a former Hollywood actor, I never would have thought that being a reality TV start like Trump could elect someone as PotUS.
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“AI says that DeSantis is is 5 Ft. 11 In. tall. That is not short.”
DeSantis being 5’11” is a total AI hallucination.
There are *so* many lies swirling around height numbers. In passing, I’ve even seen vids alarmed[!] that (very-tall) Trump looks like he’s “shrinking” in height. Was it a swipe at his age/posture, or because his son with Melania was 6’7″ at 15, & is now 6’9″+? So, standing beside his youngest, Trump would look ‘diminished’ in height.
In 2020, I remember watching a Democrat Primary panel that Liz Warren was on, & the guy on the end was Democrat Maryland Congressman John Delaney, who reported stands at 5’8″ <— I just looked that up. I would never have even noticed his height, if it had not been pointed out to me that he was standing on step-sized platform ~3-4″ tall. And this would not have been noticed (& only from the side) by viewers, if he hadn’t been situated at the end. Now, I’m not seeking authentic beauty from my candidates, but standing on a box, (like sitting on an old telephone book to be taller when seated) just made him seem juvenile. What kind of junior-high level antics could we expect from these Democrats? And was Liz Warren stuffing her bra with kleenex tissues too??
I remember when Nicole Kidman was being interviewed on a late night talk show after her divorce from Tom Cruise. It was something she didn’t care to talk about, but she responded matter-of-factly, “Well, at least I can start wear my cute high-heeled shoes again.” (And there were some audible gasps from within the audience.)
I know he was talking about American presidents, Kim, but tell your hubby that many of the “big” men in the world (as in, made the biggest impact, for better or for worse) have been what he would consider short:
Adolf Hitler 5ft8 – 5ft9
Mussolini 5ft7
Stalin – probably 5ft6
Churchill – 5ft6
Napoleon – 5ft6.5 (although this was average height for his age, which would be 5ft9 for American men today, but still not “tall”)
Jeff Bezos – 5ft 7
Mark Zuckerberg – 5ft7
etc…
Ah, that explains something about this select group (and many short men to some degree), all were afflicted with SMS (short man syndrome)! A portion of men with SMS tend to genuinely overachieve (and make history) as opposed to another portion who are simply noisy little men with SMS (who become history) while the remaining accept their lot in life and socially get along just fine.
Spot on,, I do not think we see the “writing on the wall” or feel the full destructive weight of our new situation, and its new direction just yet. The lack of a solid constitutional foundation which can not be altered every four years in a fluid system of temporary and short selfish authority are the primary causes in my opinion.
Not a word about MTG’s incredible increase in net worth since 2019. From about $700k to over $21 million by 2025. Another Pelosi-like stock market success.
Not sure it is relevant.
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