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Last week, striking footage emerged of about 2,000 heavily tattooed Salvadoran inmates, their heads shaved and bowed, wearing nothing but white boxer shorts and packed together like sardines while being herded at gunpoint to a spanking-new prison that will become by far the world’s largest when it reaches full capacity.
The law-and-order keyboard warriors were cackling with sadistic glee at this spectacle, because that’s what law-and-order keyboard warriors do. “FOREVER CRUSH THE DYSGENIC NUTS OF THESE INCORRIGIBLE VERMIN UNDER THE STATE’S IRON HAND!” they shouted, or something to that effect.
The world’s “human rights” activists, as is their wont, were crying foul over things such as suspension of due process and cruel and unusual punishment, although we all know that the world’s “human rights” activists wouldn’t last a minute alone with a Salvadoran inmate before having their throats slit dry.
The super-mega-ultra-max facility where these inmates were being shepherded with great public fanfare is officially known as the Terrorism Confinement Center. It began construction in July 2022 and finally opened at the end of January. Built on the barren plains near the Las Chiches volcano, it can hold 40,000 inmates at full capacity in a sterile environment far from the madding crowds of the capital city of San Salvador. Inmates will be under 24-hour electronic surveillance and won’t be able to fart without an extensive digital record of their insubordinate flatulence. They will be completely cut off from the outside world due to signal-jamming equipment, and will thus be deprived of the drugs and PlayStations and visitors and tweets and rectally-cloistered paper messages and all the amenities that previous inmates of this bite-sized Central American nation were accustomed to enjoying.
Construction began on the prison shortly after El Salvador’s national legislature declared a state of emergency in March of last year in response to the endless bloodshed and extortion rained upon the country’s pauperized residents by the nation’s two main gangs, MS-13 and 18th Street.
El Salvador is the tiniest country in Central America, slightly smaller than New Jersey and with a population roughly equivalent to the greater Atlanta metro area. Since last year’s declaration of a state of emergency — which has been extended 11 times at last count — officials have arrested an estimated 65,000 Salvadoran gangsters and have been able to lock them away on decades-long sentences based on trials that are completely closed from public scrutiny.
In early February, El Salvador’s tough-talking President Nayib Bukele — who, with his slicked-back hair, beard, and air of general sweatiness, resembles a Central American Donald Trump, Jr. — unveiled the behemoth penitentiary. He shared a 35-minute video of himself touring the massive facility, which includes a solitary-confinement area where prisoners are held in total darkness.
The 41-year-old Bukele, who billed himself on Twitter as “the world’s coolest dictator,” is famous for tough talk such as the following:
There are rumors that [gang members] want to start taking revenge on random, honest people. If they do that, there won’t even be one meal in prisons. I swear to God, they won’t eat a grain of rice, and let’s see how long they last.
Upon the inaugural transfer of inmates to the new mega-prison, Bukele gloated:
Today at dawn, in a single operation, we transferred the first 2,000 gang members to the Center for the Confinement of Terrorism (CECOT). This will be their new house, where they will live for decades, mixed up, unable to do any more harm to the population.
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Bukele’s showboating has earned him massively high approval ratings among his countrymen. He was elected to the presidency in 2019 after a stint as San Salvador’s mayor from 2015-2018. In 2015, El Salvador had a homicide rate of 103 per 100,000 inhabitants — the highest in the world — which statistics say dipped thirteenfold by 2022 due in large part to Bukele’s anti-gang crackdowns.
Interestingly, El Salvador’s two main gangs both originated not in the motherland but in Los Angeles in the 1980s, just west of downtown — MS-13 in the Pico-Union district and 18th Street in the Rampart district. MS-13 is by far the most notorious of the two gangs, although 18th Street has more members and probably more international clout. Many of MS-13’s original members were not native Angelenos but were refugees from the El Salvadoran civil war from 1979-1992. The US government had meddled in the war, just as the US government seems to meddle in every war across the globe, in this case by funding the anti-communist government. After the war ended and the feds began deporting Salvadoran gangsters back to their homeland, LA-style gang culture took root in El Salvador, with disastrous effects for the pauperized, vulnerable, and war-weary locals.
According to a 2013 Justice Department report, “These two gangs have turned the Central American northern triangle into the area with the highest homicide rate in the world.”
MS-13 — the “MS” stands for “Mara Salvatrucha” — has a horrifyingly theatrical flair for grabbing attention. The gang originated among ethnic Salvadorans in LA during the 1980s as a means of protecting themselves against attacks by the city’s more established Mexican and black gangs. Their early core membership consisted of kids who listened to heavy metal music, and they are unique among Hispanic gangs in their eager adoption of occultic imagery. They are known for wantonly slaying infants, women, entire families, and sometimes even entire busloads of people.
Compared to other gangs, American factions of MS-13 don’t commit a disproportionate share of homicides; they simply do it with a psychotic gruesomeness that makes them seem far more ruthless than other groups.
According to New York District Attorney Madeline Singas:
The crimes that we’re talking about are brutal. Their weapon of choice is a machete. We end up seeing people with injuries that I’ve never seen before. You know, limbs hacked off. And that’s what the bodies look like that we’re recovering. So they’re brutal.
No act seems beneath them — including kidnapping, torture, child prostitution, and stabbing pregnant informants to death. In 2014, they defaced a Vietnam memorial with gang tags and the phrase “kill whites.”
“In my 30 years of law enforcement, I’ve never seen a more violent gang out there,” stated Frank Hughes of the Massachusetts State Police in 2016. “These are very, very violent individuals. The violence is unspeakable.”
According to former US Attorney General Bill Barr:
MS-13 is somewhat unique in this sense: They have the street savagery that you would see in a gang [that] is not driven by commercial interests the way, for example, the Mafia traditionally was. It’s about honor of being the most savage, bloodthirsty person you can be and building up a reputation as a killer.
It’s difficult to discern whether MS-13 or 18th Street is more powerful in El Salvador, but part of President Bukele’s plan is to place them both in the new prison and let them work out their squabbles among themselves.
By promising to transfer gang leaders to less oppressive prisons in 2012, El Salvador’s Farabundo Martí National Liberation Front (FLMN) government reached a truce with the MS-13 and 18th Street gangs which saw a dip in the official homicide rates. In August of 2015, El Salvador’s Supreme Court designated both MS-13 and 18th Street as terrorist organizations, allowing the government more leeway to apprehend and confine them.
What’s not being reported in the recent hubbub about Bukele’s Giant House of Anti-Terrorist Horrors is that previous administrations have been accused of making truces with gangs not to actually cut down violence but to maintain an equilibrium that allowed both the government and the gangs to continue along their assigned paths of corruption. Some question whether the lower homicide rates were genuine or whether the gangs simply got better at hiding corpses.
There are murmurs that Bukele made an “informal pact” with gangs that started during his tenure as San Salvador’s mayor from 2015-2018 and that helped him get elected as the country’s president in 2019. And some have suggested that Bukele isn’t jailing high-ranking members who are affiliated with drug cartels, only their foot soldiers.
Only a day before Bukele’s 35-minute public relations video was released, touting the new prison as the Final Solution for El Salvador’s gang problem, a “damning US indictment” was unsealed in which “US attorneys accused members of Bukele’s government of masking themselves in order to secretly enter prisons in the country and conduct secret talks with MS-13 gang leaders.” It may not be that the country’s homicide rates have dipped at all, only that gang leaders have become more efficient at burying the bodies in such a way as to avoid public detection.
As someone with a searing distrust of governments, journalists, gangsters, tough-on-crime blowhards, and “human rights” activists, what mostly concerns me is that these mass jailings are being performed under the pretense of fighting “terrorism.”
I seem to recall that our own government has repeatedly declared that its biggest “terrorist” threat is “Right-wing extremism,” particularly of the pro-white kind.
I’d be careful about cheering over what’s happening in El Salvador. Before you know it, the feds may declare a national emergency and begin packing 40,000 white sardines into one prison.
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65 comments
“rectally-cloistered paper messages”
I’ve been a huge fan of Goad’s ever since I read _The Redneck Manifesto_ way back in the late ’90’s or early aughts. How can one not love an author with such turns of phrase as this?
Their early core membership consisted of kids who listened to heavy metal music, and they are unique among Hispanic gangs in their eager adoption of occultic imagery.
I was just reading a story at Infowars about a manic Hispanic that is in custody for the random stabbing death of a seventeen year old boy and later barricading himself in his home before finally surrendering. In the news clip, he is seen wearing a baseball cap with the logo of the shitty death metal band Mortician, known for their over the top shock such as their album cover for Chainsaw Dismemberment. Weird coincidence.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chainsaw_Dismemberment
https://www.infowars.com/posts/shock-video-man-arrested-for-killing-high-school-student-during-stabbing-rampage-in-la/
Also, I hate to be pedantic, but I believe “occult” would suffice as opposed to “occultic.” I know how much you enjoy being corrected.
Back in 1989, I was fired from the LA Reader for doing a juicy feature about Mexican “Stoner gangs” in East LA. They wore their hair long, listened to heavy metal exclusively, and seemed to be some sort of assimilationist attempt to distance themselves from the pervasive cholo culture. “Wimpy,” the leader of the Hicks Boys Stoners, looked and dressed like a Mexican Gene Simmons. My publisher thought it was a disgusting article and that the gang members I interviewed were irredeemable. After I was dismissed, he and his other writers resumed moaning about acid rain and George H. W. Bush.
I prefer “occultic” as an adjective, because “occult” is primarily understood to be a noun. I realize it’s not accepted by Webster’s or dictionary.com, and it was redlined by MS Word, but this is a case where I think I’m more logically consistent than the authorities, so I’m sticking with “occultic.” After all, we use “demonic” rather than “demon” when using the adjectival form. We don’t say “Islam art”; we say “Islamic art,” etc.
I hate to be pedantic…
Liar.
Touché
Jim, you might be able to appreciate this. Back in the mid-80s our church youth group went on a “mission trip” to the Los Angeles area to teach “vacation bible school” (a week-long summer camp thingy common among Baptists, back then anyway). The church was in Long Beach, where they turned us seventh-graders loose to roam the neighborhood, two-by-two, passing out flyers to invite the largely Chicano populace.
Wandering into a horseshoe-shaped apartment complex knocking on doors, we were quickly surrounded by a menacing menagerie of older-teenage Hispanics demanding we justify our presence. Somehow I turned on the right degree of charm, proffered the flyers meant for their younger co-ethnics, and we were allowed to pass unharmed.
As an adult, I told a long-time LA resident about the affair and she said it was a close call.
Do you think that Long Beach in the 80s was generally a sketchy place? It seemed that way, but I was young and clueless so it’s hard to reconstruct.
During my nearly seven years in LA (December 1987-October 1994), I only went down to Long Beach once, and that was for an Alice Cooper/Motörhead/Faster Pussycat show at the Long Beach Arena. I also know that Snoop Dogg was from Long Beach. Apart from the fact that it’s also a big port, that’s about all I know about Long Beach.
I was playing with fire by hanging out with the Stoner gangs in East LA, though. East LA is 97% Hispanic and only 1.5% white. But after I got fired for writing about them, I sallied over there one Saturday morning and was threatened by one of the Stoners, who alleged I misrepresented them in the article. That incident was the “suddenly, then all of a sudden” reason why I left the left.
Interesting that gang-banging Chicano heavy metal enthusiasts read the alternative press.
“We’re common criminals. Don’t misrepresent us!”
“It [Liberal Psych 101] didn’t seem so keen about ‘leveling the playing field’ as it was on perverting natural law . . . It published endless treatises on deconstruction without making a peep about how to reconstruct everything after destroying it.”
Nicely put!
Great link, thanks.
I lived in the L.A. area at that time, and I can assure you that large sections of Long Beach were sketchy places in the 80s. It still has quite a few areas you’re well advised to stay out of. There are some very nice neighborhoods, but Long Beach has long been a pretty rough place with lots of gangs from multiple non-white ethnicities. Long Beach doesn’t get much attention nationally, but it’s a city of over 400,000 with all the gang and crime problems that L.A. has. You’re pretty fortunate to have escaped without any serious incident.
I intuited that, even as a kid. Man, what were those adults thinking! 😐
Long Beach is basically two cities. North Long Beach is the black/Hispanic part. (As you may have heard, they don’t get along so well.) To the east of North Long Beach is Compton, hence, the phrase “the LBC,” i.e., Long Beach-Compton.
The southern part of the city, closer to the beach, where downtown Long Beach is located, is generally white or predominantly white with a decent amount of Asian and Hispanic residents. It is very nice. While there are still middle class areas there, as home prices have risen, it is becoming increasingly upper middle class.
I’m confident you were in North Long Beach.
Based on your description, I think you’re right.
PEDANTIC:
Pointing out unnecessary minutiae in order to call attention to one’s
own pretentiousness.
Mortician rules
Meh. I’ll take Macabre.
“occultic” sounds way better to me… poetry and all that shit.
I guess all the MS-13 and 18th St gangsters are going to have to get on their burros and get the hell out of El Savador. I can’t imagine where they’ll end up? What crazy country would let them cross their border unchecked and then give these poor “refugees” free room and board?
Before deciding to chastise me for clapping wildly in agreement with the building and stocking of this monster-prison (double-entendre there), which even helps L.A. get rid of these horrid types off our streets — just remember that Whites are vastly outnumbered by non-Whites worldwide (including MS-13 and 18th Street) by 10 to 1. And now there are 300o fewer to threaten us.
And as a woman, I can only imagine the horrors perpetrated upon women in El Salvador and L.A., etc.
Excuse me while I get back to my wild clapping!
I got the number wrong — it’s 40,000 (yippee!), not just 3,000.
I’m with you 100%. I didn’t like Goad’s tone in this post (maybe I’m one of those “tough-on-crime blowhards” – umm, GUILTY!). I don’t care if the new El Presidente has some corruption of his own. He’s doing the right thing. I bet he gets reelected by a legit landslide. Of course, the real issue is the necessity for returning to a much more routine and vigorous use of the death penalty (I bet 99% of this crowd is deserving of immediate execution); at least, that is, in still semi-civilized nations. But in savage lands, expanding criminal syndicates and gangs must come to be seen precisely as “terrorists”, and, indeed, dealt with as hostile militaries – as various Republicans are (finally!) starting to view the Mexican narcotrafficantes. The War on Crime is a War for Civilization.
That fighting criminals under such auspices might create a worrisome precedent is not the issue. Goad is confusing means with ends. We must ensure that in this country we limit state power by, inter alia, enforcing the supremacy of the Constitution (something not being done for the political prisoners of the Jan 6 Capitol mobbing), very much including full legislative as well as SCOTUS absolutist and maximalist restoration of the 1st and 2nd Amendments. We also need to fight as hard as possible to keep the verminous Left out of power (speaking as someone who was never part of the Left). And if we can ever reacquire power, we need to crack down on the true terrorists called “antifa”.
We should of course be supporting foreign countries cracking down on dysgenic scumbags by whatever means are most efficacious – especially those countries geographically near to the US. In the same way, we ought to support any means that reduce Third World natality and population. Proliferating Third World populations are yet another extreme threat to the future well-being of our people.
Haven’t got that memo? It’s all America’s fault.
Were the KGB guys playing tough in Salvador in the 80’s? It’s America’s fault.
Were the refugees welcomed by the heavily KGB corrupted American politicians? It’s America’s fault.
Every damn thing is America’s fault. You should know that by now. And you are also guilty because you dare to enjoy seeing the killers incarcerated.
On a more serious tone, we are so guilty for still reading the talented Mr. Goad. No matter the talent, things sound as bad as an Italian political movie. It’s all America’s fault. But never ever dare to say Russia, USSR, KGB. Never. Another misleading article with an anti-social slant.
Please take a look at this.
https://irp.fas.org/congress/1994_cr/s940420-kgb.htm
It is much more helpful than all articles published by Mr Goad.
Hey, “Razvan,” this is Mr. Goad (not in quotes) here. I’m glad you linked to an article citing information from the notoriously trustworthy CIA, who are so transparent we don’t even know what their budget is. Game over. You win.
But hey, can you point to where I said “It’s all America’s fault”? Can you point to any passage where a logical person, rather than an emotionally driven person, would even infer that?
Was it the paragraph where I outlined the El Salvadoran government’s documented history of colluding with gangs? Was it the graphic passages about what MS-13 does to its victims? Was it the part where I say I have “a searing distrust of governments [plural], journalists, gangsters, tough-on-crime blowhards, and ‘human rights’ activists”? Pretty impressive that you can take that passage and wind up with “It’s all America’s fault.” One of the biggest frustrations of being a writer is being reminded, again and again, that people only read the parts they want to read, no matter how meticulously you lay out your argument.
Did it maybe occur to you that I don’t have a doctorate in the Salvadoran Civil War and thus might not have been aware of KGB meddling down there while writing an article on deadline and trying to weld literally hundreds of sources, not one of them entirely trustworthy, into something cohesive? Did it occur to you that even if I had, I would have condemned the Soviets as well? I welcome you to find any passage of me ever supporting anything that the USSR did.
My entire writing history makes clear that I don’t think it’s possible to isolate guilt or innocence in any situation involving squabbling factions. It’s extremely simplistic to do so when you’re referring to hopelessly complex human struggles over land, resources, and, especially, truth. It’s either disingenuous or naive to think there are purely innocent or purely guilty parties in any human struggle. I’ve also made it clear that I believe anyone who tries to isolate guilt and innocence is either dumb, a liar, or both.
Due to extremely hard experience, I have a very dim view of human nature. Therefore, I don’t think there are any good guys in any situation—only bad guys and worse guys.
What a blatantly dishonest misrepresentation of this article. All a logical person could infer from this article is that I believe the USA is not entirely innocent in this dispute, either. Somehow you tard-wrangle that into “It’s all America’s fault.”
I applaud your dim view of human nature as eminently conservative, but I think it can be overdone. Unless one takes an extreme Christian / Jonathan Edwards “we’re all miserable sinners” stance, obviously there can be good guys and bad guys, especially in the post-French Revolutionary era. America was far kinder in its occupation of Japan than Japan was in its occupation of Manchuria, to take just one easy example. Spain under Franco was almost certainly a more just place than the nation would have been had the commies won their civil war. The government of El Salvador is probably far from ethically unimpeachable – but it is guaranteed to be better than MS13 gangbangers. They are widely known as the very worst of the worst.
America was far kinder in its occupation of Japan than Japan was in its occupation of Manchuria, to take just one easy example.
Yeah, I remember those ultra-humane atomic bombs.
What keeps whizzing blissfully above so many ultra-righteous minds is that there is no way to quantify “good” and “evil” and that they are entirely subjective ideas. If people just dropped these silly superstitious terms and admitted, “I’m going out for my self-interest and those I care about” and quit trying to reframe their own self-interest as universally and objectively good, it wouldn’t bother me in the slightest. At least it would be honest.
Not interested in starting a polemic here.
But why would be a congressional record, or 1994 WSJ article less trusty than what I know for sure that are Russian propaganda points, points that you are clearly recycling from some time? Why should I trust that you are trustworthy? Because you say so?Were these two pieces I cited a CIA psi operation? Was Aldrich Ames a good man in your opinion? Wasn’t Fred Woodroof killed?
You know, I am way too tired and too old to get once more this propaganda line: it is not what you know, nor what you have seen, it is what I tell you. Come on!
Is the South America mess due only to America/CIA? Where were the Russians and the Chinese all these time? Fighting for peace? Why you never touch their influence?
That Salvadorian president is clearly doing his job. Why did you feel it would be right to poke a bit fun? Or why did you feel that those bourgeois deserve a jab because they are happy seeing career criminals put on hopefully forever keeping? Why is that?
If you really believe that it is not America’s entire fault, why don’t you write about Russian influence in the region? I ask you because you rose the Salvadorian war. Tell us, what do you think? Was the KGB filling with guns South America or not? Tell us, what do you think, was the KGB training chemists in South America in order to subvert America with drugs?
Tell us, please tell me! Maybe I am wrong. But be a little more specific when making supposition like America this and the CIA that, while USSR/Russia and KGB nowhere in sight.
And you have no right to ask anybody to state his name or shut up. Have anyone in your family seen a Russian extermination camp? Am I asking you to shut up?
You are correct, there aren’t really any good guys, there’s our guys and their guys. Most minorities in America understand this. It’s only Whitey who has forgotten. I’ve never seen blacks take the White guy’s side in a fight, but I’ve seen plenty of Palefaces take the darkies’ side. In my father’s day, and in my old neighborhood, that would never happen. ‘White is right’ is something people need to remember.
Fair enough conclusion, but I’m still of the opinion that any suggestion that criminals be locked up should be given at least qualified endorsement.
OK, but you’d better pray that one day you’re not automatically deemed a criminal because you once visited, and commented on, a “white terrorist” website.
Wow, that was an interesting history of the gangs by Goad. I always wondered why they had English names, and the fact that they were actually born in L. A. explains it!
All those little men look exactly the same to me—and I mean not good. Why anyone would want to bring them into our country en masse, and especially given their extreme violent tendencies is beyond me. How much would someone have to hate whites to want to replace us with the likes of them?!
Another down side of these gangs is the existence of Supermax facilities in the United States, which were created to fight the gangs, but are used as vindictive weapons against unpopular whites, such as Matthew hale, who was put in supermax for likely no more than having a poddy mouth.
Many of MS-13’s original members were not native Angelenos but were refugees from the El Salvadoran civil war from 1979-1992. The US government had meddled in the war, just as the US government seems to meddle in every war across the globe, in this case by funding anti-Leftist insurgents.
The U.S. funded anti-communist governments of El Salvador during their civil war against leftist insurgents of the FMLN.
Thank you. Fixed.
But just look at them. They all look the same. Coffee coloured non descripts, processed like the bits of meat that they are; once released – coming to a neighbourhood near you.
When Long Beach was mentioned above it triggered a memory of some cover art from a Long Beach-area band called Saccharine Trust. Their live album cover shows sedated head-bowed skinheads packed into a theater with a “butch” prison guard supervising them. Holy crap, what a current-day disturbing update to that album art.
Yes Mr. Goad, prison is scary. Don’t end up in prison, everyone.
However, considering current trends, prison is also someplace you’re likely to end up as a white dissident. Does that mean we should all stop being white dissidents? You’re not exactly saying that, but I think you might be saying it, too. Just a little bit. I suppose it’s up to the reader.
Sadly, the less white our societies become, the more dangerous prison will be for whites, and white dissidents in particular. In any case I’m happy you survived prison, Mr. Goad, and am hoping any other white dissident who winds up there will survive it too. With as few scars as possible.
Does that mean we should all stop being white dissidents? You’re not exactly saying that, but I think you might be saying it, too.
What I’m saying is that armchair sadists who cower behind screen names and seem to get a thrill when others suffer—so long as those armchair sadists don’t have to get their clapping hands the tiniest bit dirty in the process and can just gloat anonymously in the shadows—should probably consider that it wouldn’t take very much for their own government to round them up and pack them into cells based on the fact that the term “terrorism” can be used against them, too, at the government’s whim.
I’m not referring to you as an “armchair sadist,” because I haven’t seen you cheering ecstatically about what’s happening in El Salvador like some of the other commenters. Your comment suggests that you understood my main point, which is that it could happen to anyone in this comment section, so they should be careful about applauding when any government nakedly flexes it power. I’m not saying that people should stop questioning government power, only that they should stop being so selective about it.
Gang members steal? Yeah, governments do, too. They call it “taxation.” Gang members kill? Governments do, too—it’s called “war” and “capital punishment.” Gang members hold people against their will? Yeah, when governments do it, it’s called “incarceration” in the name of “justice.” Gang members are terrorists? OK, then what do you call governments that bomb the living hell out of civilian populations all over the world and scare the survivors into using screen names?
What I’m saying that there’s no honor in being an anonymous armchair sadist and that despite all their masturbatory cackling, it may wind up biting them in the ass regardless of what appears to be a highly naive conviction that they’re the good guys and that they’d be able to prove they’re the good guys when dragged into a kangaroo court that’s closed to the public. They’re reading fourth-hand information from a Third World government that’s filtered through notoriously mendacious First World press agencies and assuming that everything in this scenario is as black-and-white as it seems to be, despite the fact that I spelled out in the article that what’s going on there might not be as it seems, because the El Salvadoran government has colluded with gang members in the past and is apparently doing so now. Not only that—US agencies have meddled down there before and have a long, long track record of lying to their own public.
And as others in the comments have already been able to discern, the end result of this mega-prison that the armchair sadists may be able to feel—not from afar, but up close—may just be an extra 10,000 El Salvadoran “refugees” with tattoos from head to toe dumped into their neighborhoods. Even worse than that, the end result may be that governments across the globe, including the government with jurisdiction over the keyboard sadists’ neighborhoods, may feel empowered to round up ALL the “terrorists.”
Again, these are alleged gang members being arrested and sentenced to decades based on CLOSED TRIALS. You have no idea what they did or didn’t do. You just take what the news is telling you and swallow it like a handful of Happy Pills.
Or maybe in your lust to see some stranger … somewhere … anywhere … suffering, you’ve forgotten that Greg Johnson was arrested only three years ago in Norway on bogus charges of supporting “right-wing terrorism.”
Anarcho-tyranny is happening right now, and all I hear from some of the clapping circus seals in the comments is a giant “whoosh” sound whizzing high over their heads. Do they seriously think the government that operates the largest surveillance state in history by using their tax dollars to spy on them doesn’t know their name, address, and what they do in the shadows simply because they hide behind screen names? They may be shielding themselves from the relatively mild discomforts of social ostracism, but not from those who actually have the power to crush them. They seem brutally naive to the fact that governments, despite hiding behind a pretense of “democracy,” are nothing more than the biggest killers and the biggest gangsters. Regimes don’t win wars and assume power by having the best and noblest ideas—they do it by being the most efficient killers and the best-organized gangs. The biggest spoils of war is the ability to define good and evil, to define the difference between “crime” and “justice.” The fact is that in reality, not in semantics, the government is nothing more than the biggest and most ruthless gang of all. This is one thing that criminals seem to understand far more than the blinkered public does.
The government is not, cannot, and will never be your friend. Governments don’t look at things in terms of “good guys and bad guys”; they look at things in terms of power and powerlessness. There are tens, if not hundreds of millions, of people who have been brainwashed into thinking that being a “racist” is worse than being a gang member. And those hundreds of millions of people would feel every bit as justified laughing and cheering at a mass roundup of “racists.” The very fact that the armchair sadists cloak themselves in anonymity suggests that at least on some level, they’re conscious that it could happen to them, too—so what I’m actually saying is maybe it’s not so wise to cheer when any government does this to anyone. And if you get to prison, you’ll realize that your skin color is an indelible gang tattoo and that you were born into a gang, no matter how much you make a loud public display of condemning gang members.
¿Entiendes ahora?
I’ve understood the concept of anarcho-tyranny since I first read it in something by Sam Francis, maybe as far back as the late 80’s (or it could have been early 90s). We are living through the worst anarcho-tyranny of my life, and it will only get worse (which is why the only hope for our people, at least in North America, is, as I keep saying, geographical ingathering whenever individually possible: you’re more likely to obtain real justice in a Red than Blue state).
But you seem to be saying that we should not only fear the “tyranny” more than the “anarchy”, we should basically do nothing about the anarchy. Even ten years ago, I would have said this was preposterous, at least for the USA. Today, I am less sure – but only somewhat. As of now, I fear violent criminal anarchy (and all its cascading local economic effects when left unchecked) more than American state tyranny. Yes, what has happened to the Jan 6 defendants is appalling, and highly illustrative of the evil of the Left. But they did commit a collective crime, even if most are innocent by traditional standards of morality.
And you are talking about a foreign country, one, moreover, that is besieged with essentially gangster street rule. Are you saying we should be solicitous (“when others suffer”) of these MS-13 gangsters – some of the worst of the worst humans on earth? You act as though you were describing the horrendous abuses that innocent people suffer at State hands in places like China, North Korea, Iran, Cuba, Turkey, etc. You think those “sardines” are innocent, are literally good people (or even just mere petty criminals)?
my main point, which is that it could happen to anyone in this comment section, so they should be careful about applauding when any government nakedly flexes it power. I’m not saying that people should stop questioning government power, only that they should stop being so selective about it.
Of course we need to be selective about it. We should demand that rule of law protections be applied to the Jan 6 defendants. We should make noise whenever our people are being persecuted. One could just possibly go as far – according to your weighted anti-tyranny logic – as to demand that the same Constitutional procedural protections be applied even to antifa terrorists, despite the fact that most of those rounded up in antifa-related crackdowns are, in fact, guilty (as well as evil), unlike the Jan 6 people (that is, the few antifa prosecuted for rioting and criminal mayhem during the 2020 riots really were, in legal as well as moral fact, guilty).
But we’re talking about a foreign government, one whose harsh actions directed against some of the world’s most violent felons are helping to make our country safer. Why would any lawful American patriot not celebrate that? And the government of El Salvador is not “nakedly flexing its power”, as when Iran orchestrates the beatings of women’s rights advocates, or China “disappears” human rights dissidents. It is cracking down on real, not mere state-defined and disliked, criminals.
And I have already anticipated and supplied the proper path forward: we must be eternally vigilant and noisy about defending our Constitution, as well as fighting all forms of immigration colonization (and, per the cause of white preservation, antiwhite brainwashing). I assume you also support the libertarian principle of dramatically reducing the size and scope of government power generally. I certainly do (which is one reason why voting Republican, despite all their unending disappointments in office, is still the wisest course for anyone prowhite: at least they don’t favor expanding government to the extent the Democrats always do). But even in a radically decentralized and limited government nation, there is still the issue of crime that necessarily falls within state purview. Are we supposed to let criminals run riot just because the Deep State controllers are hostile to our people? No, we must defang and dismantle the Deep State, in addition to getting thugs off the streets. These are complimentary not contradictory goals.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/05/17/11-animalistic-crimes-committed-against-americans-by-ms-13-gang/
Again, a forest of straw men. At least you were decent enough to frame it as “you seem to be saying.”
And you seem to keep missing the point that’s what happening in El Salvador right now with the giant prison does nothing to “keep the thugs off our streets.” If anything, it might result in the importation of more thugs as “refugees.” I made clear in the article that’s how the thugs got here in the first place.
And I have already anticipated and supplied the proper path forward…
Verily I say unto thee, only the mighty, wise, all-knowing, and unimpeachable “Lord Shang” knoweth “the proper path forward” and is able to discern, from his computer screen, who’s really guilty and who’s really “evil.” So why don’t you run for president, hombre?
I mean, it’s not as if the most ghastly atrocities in history have been committed by those who were certain they knew who was really the “evil” party and how they need to have their heads lopped off and their genitals mutilated—acts which suddenly and magically become “good” when you can tag the recipient as “evil.” It’s not as if every side in every war throughout history thought they were the good guys. It’s amazing how the “evil” guys wind up losing every war, isn’t it? It’s also a weird coincidence that the “good” guys are always the best killers.
Not sure why you linked to the Breitbart article. I wrote a whole paragraph detailing MS-13 atrocities.
Also, you misspelled “complementary.”
Thanks for the reply. You are correct re “complementary” (I’m still half asleep, half-insomniac). I don’t see how this new prison couldn’t keep thugs off our streets. Those incarcerated won’t be migrating to commit crimes in el norte. And if the government of El Salvador can gain greater control over public order, then it might lessen the incentive for its (non-criminal) people to migrate here, many of whom in fact make refugee/asylum claims based on precisely fear of gang violence back home. I think you have that aspect backwards.
Forgive me if I sound a tad neoconnish (though always race realistic, I’ve also always been comprehensively conservative), but public order is a necessary precondition for the kind of domestic economic development that just might keep so many people from assaulting our border. I’ve never been to ES, but my understanding is that people live in great fear there, and not of their government, but of the criminals. I’ve read this in places both Left (like Counterpunch and The Nation) and Right. If they start to notice a real reduction in violence, more will stay. Who really wants to leave his home?
Anyway, the key is to make sure our government doesn’t define “prowhite” as “terrorist” – not to give up on public order and let nonwhite street gangs rule (which is not a “straw man”, and is in fact the clear implication of your post – ie that we should oppose mass incarceration of real perps because someday our government might go full evil and turn on us). But we cannot let gangs rule the streets because eventually they will control everything (as might be the case right now in Mexico).
Your reasoning is very bizarre, but typical of some libertarian types. The implication of what you’re saying is that people should be against incarcerating criminals because they themselves might be incarcerated one day for illegitimate reasons, so basically, people should want the abolition of all laws against crime, after all, as long as there are laws against crime, some people will be going to prison, which may be a precedent for innocent people to also go to prison. Is it really necessary to explain the absurdity of this? The resulting chaos would result in immense suffering and displacement for most people, and eventually it would just end up with state creation.
There is no utopia scenario. If you don’t want the state to have a monopoly on the legitimate use of force, then someone else is going to use force, and it’s going to be anarchy or constant warfare between warlords. It is extremely obvious that people are better off with the state than with the other two scenarios. El Salvador is just another example of this, people there were terrorized by crime, and now they are thanking God for the government finally arresting the gangs. I’m sure the government in El Salvador is pretty bad by first-world standards, and that the police are violent and corrupt by first-world standards, but despite that, people there don’t fear the government, they fear the criminals, and they are happy that the government finally took more action.
The problem of governments imprisoning citizens for expressing a political opinion is not a new problem, but no one has tried to solve this problem by applying the disastrous solution of letting crime explode and civilization decay into anarchy and war, only to then have the process of state-building all over again.
The implication of what you’re saying is that people should be against incarcerating criminals because they themselves might be incarcerated…No, that’s a false inference you’ve drawn based on nothing I’ve said. I’d suggest reading up on the difference between implications and inferences.I’m well aware, based on hard personal experience, that power is what rules the world. I also think that anyone who believes the US government can be reformed is intensely naive. It’s far too big, and the nation’s demographics are hopelessly diverse. If I’m proposing any solution, it’s that people need to form self-interest groups if they have any hope of surving the coming catastrophes. To think this has anything to do with “libertarian types” is an absurd inference.
I agree with you that power is what rules the world, my point is merely that this is unavoidable so you have to go with the least worst power configuration. Power and hierarchies in large human societies will continue as long as humans are what they are now. The issue is always about how power and hierarchies are organized. Relevant to the story here is whether the people of El Salvador are better off if their government enforces its monopoly on the legitimate use of violence, and destroys parallel organizations of power, and I think the obvious answer is yes. Governments are better power configurations than anarchies and warlords, from a pragmatic point of view. Bukele, no matter what his flaws, wants to be popular, and keeping crime low is one way to do that. Bukele and other elites probably also want to grow the country’s economy via tourism, there will be opportunities for them there, and to make El Salvador a tourist destination, you need to get rid of ridiculous levels of gang violence. None of this is naivety, it’s just pragmatism.
If you want to argue that due process is really important, that’s fine. If you want to argue that the Western justice system, or its theoretical ideal, is what people should favor, and that right-wingers in the West should avoid being envious of Third World dysfunctions like government abuse of power, that’s entirely reasonable. Of course, El Salvador was in a tough spot, much worse than the US, so it’s understandable why the people of El Salvador are not prioritizing the Western justice system.
More relevant to the mission of this site, and the issue of nationalism, is that homogeneous countries aren’t perfect, they’re just a preferable configuration of power. People don’t want to be bossed around by people they perceive to be ethnic/racial aliens, and that’s very understandable. Ethnic conflict has been the pattern of violence within states for the last century, yet somehow Western elites don’t seem to understand it. I totally agree about people self-organising, that’s what whites in South Africa do, but the situation there is much worse, both demographically and in terms of basic state function.
Your comments here are well expressed and intelligent. Please comment more often at CC.
I do believe there is an informal pact in place between Deep State USA and the Mexican cartels who run their criminally overrun country down there. Hence the recent “apology” for murdering Americans in Mexico. That oopssee broke the pact. But it still stands. Hence they (cartels) are allowed to do all manner of depravity on the southern border because their interests align with those on the other (US) side who are capable of offering such a pact (as opposed to bombing them from the sky) by which both sides benefit. President Trump tried to interfere with the agreement and he was run out of Dodge on a racist rail.
Sure. USSR/Russia would never do anything like this against anyone.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/operation-odessa-review-soviets-subs-and-lots-of-cocaine-1522358096
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_Fainberg
Yet, I would ask myself how many things like this really happened and never to be disclosed.
Sure. USSR/Russia would never do anything like this against anyone.
I must’ve missed where Jeffrey claimed they didn’t. Lighten up Francis.
Oh, they are doing it right now. They are using the criminal underclass in few Eastern European countries in order to topple the states.
Do you really think there are motives to lighten up? Do you really think that?
Instead of you I would be really cautious, because guys like that in the picture might rebel in the USA too. And those are not playing the sophistry game, like the talented Mr. Goad, here.
I see you are very passionate about this subject. What I don’t see is what in the hell it has to do with the article.
I thought it was obvious.
Russia used and is still using the underclass in order to obtain strategic advantages in the West.
The talented Mr. Goad is defending the underclass (bolshevik style) while blaming America – using old soviet propaganda points from the 80’s. He is poking fun, in the most pure Leninist style, to the middle class and its need for security, and peace.
He lies by omission, when confronted, he denies that he lied but not the omission, when you give sources he tries to discredit them by lying directly.
This is why I am so passionate about this. I know the manipulation when I see it. A smart innuendo is the most common Russian propaganda tactic. And this is what he does, over and over again.
What did I understand from his article? That he is looking like a Russian propaganda operative. It is not for the first time.
And I should add that as part of this pact, neither side outright attacks the other. The cartels keep their horrors generally on their side of the border, make no incursion into the US and they are rewarded by not having a war waged on them and of course by an open border so they can do business with the global pedo ring etc et al. I don’t like the deal, I’d like to see the cartels annihilated and/or jailed up like the feral scum in El Salvador.
Could it be that this is just theater? That some hundred guys are paid for the photos?
Can you make hardcore gang members behave like sheep bowing to the commands like Muslims praying in Mecca?
That’s what I thought, at first sight. It looks unlikely. How could they force them into those positions, so many of them, with so few guards shown. The masks are very weird too. Masks are so 2020/21, especially in third world countries. And are they that so much in lockstep that no one would be lazy enough not to have a recently shaved head? These are hideous pictures for all sorts of reasons.
Good question, and this is why I caution anyone to leap to conclusions about what’s going on down there. After the past two years, why anyone would trust the press about anything is astonishing to me. But confirmation bias is a hell of a drug, I guess.
He could have buried them alive, put them inside a Brazen Bull , had them wrestle with lions in a Colosseum …
Lying by omission is not the truth. Truth is not truth if it is not whole.
So the defense that “I never said they were not” with its variants, without explicitly indicating who they are and what they did, is simply disrespectful. This is one of the most aggravating communist tactics. Too old to not recognize it.
Anyway, the sophistry displayed here reminds me two things:
one really bad thing is that “better 1000 criminals free, than one innocent in jail”. It was upheld by a sophist called Karl Popper in his https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Open_Society_and_Its_Enemies
Another one is the Mafia Game https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mafia_(party_game). The general idea is that in some ideal condition 13 criminals might subdue or kill 10000 normies.
Coupling the 2 two results with no shadow of doubt that setting a really high standard for justice like Karl Popper is to ensure that the normies really have no fighting chance against the underworld.
And the normies are so fond of justice that they fell hard into this trap, even thou the trap is hundreds of years old.
Look:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_and_Black_Lives_Matter
Another huge blunder from the “right”. Instead of telling the truth and whole truth, instead of vigorously expose how certain anti-American organizations have links with Russia they talk how America is bad. This being the very very tip of the iceberg. Just another great opportunity simply lost in order to recycle the old soviet propaganda points.
And now someone might ask why? Why is that and who really are you? What are truly your goals?
I don’t think anyone is suggesting we let machete-wielding brown-skinned ruffians run amok. Nor any recalcitrant hooligans, for that matter. It’s just that, if the photo was taken in America, one of them would be wearing a Viking headdress. I don’t see the powers that be fuckwads saying, “Let’s just do that once.”
One thing I wasn’t able to tease out of the numbers regarding El Salvador’s homicide rate is what quotient of these murders involves gang members killing other gang members. And is the “tribute” money they’re squeezing out of civilians part of a protection racket from other gangs? That usually seems to be how that sort of thing works.
I’m enjoying Jim’s comments more than the article. Peace pipes, Mezcal and Apple Pie so we might all try and remember were on the same side. One of my biggest gripes on this size is disparaging of “normies”. They aren’t yet ready, but the right-right might at least try to have an attitude that it wants to grow and be welcoming.
The scary murder stats of El Salvador help put things in perspective when leftists are screaming in terror because on Jan 6 ago a bunch of furbies escaped a comic con convention and got through the Capitol doors… and this continues to be written up as a serious coup.
I don’t know enough of the situation to take a strong stance on whether the 40,000 jailed are irredeemably bad or consist of many who just need a time out. I often share Jim’s jaundiced view of human nature. Consider the era of Pablo Escobar, who was worth 30 billion dollars at the time of his killing in 1993. The GDP of the entire country of Columbia was about 160 billion, so it was no easy task for a government that size to control a violent drug lord that wealthy and powerful (and in one of life’s surreal moments, Forbes ranked him on the list of most wealthy persons). Escobar took a quick turn for the worse with the rise of Los Pepes, a paramilitary death squad with ties to the Columbian government and rival drug lords. Not saying I advocate it, but it got results in a way the ‘by the books’ government could not. There is also Muerte a Secuestradores (Death to Kidnappers), a different death squad funded by drug cartels, the Columbian government, wealthy landowners and (incredibly enough), Texaco Oil Co. I’ve often wondered that part of the reason CEOs are paid a shit-ton of money is they are expected to “get shit done” by funneling large chunks of salary to off the books operations that serve the interest of the company (buying influence, corporate cyber theft, detectives fucking with the lives of competitors).
In a case like this, the people, exhausted by all the bloodshed, will be overwhelmingly on your side. It has the added benefit of masking your round-up of any rivals or opposition. It’s a win/win situation…unless of course you’re a rival or you oppose those in charge.
I too, have been to jail. It was only for 11 hours and it was over 27 years ago, but I think of it all the time. It was brutally dehumanizing, I was roughed up despite obeying every command, and I witnessed women ready to kill themselves because they couldn’t face what they knew what was coming in there, having been before. I was lucky to know someone who got me out quick. I try to hate people on a case-by-case basis, and what occurs to me is why young men need to join gangs like this. They are not all pressured. They are not all just ultra violent psychopaths. I think many of them are looking for leadership they aren’t finding anywhere else. The occult crap is added value as it lends “power,” too. Sad, really. If these boys had good role models it might not be like this. Instead we get corrupt, weak liars who force us to lie with them. These results aren’t shocking at all.
I sincerely appeal to our comrades here to exercise more prudence, discretion, tolerance and generosity toward each other, as the last thing we would like to see is an unintended and unnecessary rift in our camp as a result of individual fixation on relatively minor issues based on each other’s different and intense personal, emotional experiences. Both Mr. Goad and Lord Shang I respect and admire deeply for their steadfast unflinching stance on white nationalism and identitarianism and their immense intellectual capacity and prowess. Can’t we just bury the axe on this matter and march onward shoulder to shoulder in the spirit of uniting and sticking cohesively to our much larger and far more significant common cause while putting aside our minor differences?
On this particular topic, if you forgive my candor, I do think Mr. Goad was a bit cynical and overreacting, as he has occasionally been on other issues resulting from unpleasant and/or galvanizing past experiences, which indeed is also part of his distinctive charms and flairs; even the rarely less becoming ones seemed to me totally understandable and non-disturbing. That said, with due respect, I must say that I disagree sincerely and politely with Lord Shang on his blinkered perception of some historical incidents, perhaps from personal biases and/or partial and tendentious reading. My problem is with the following statement:
America was far kinder in its occupation of Japan than Japan was in its occupation of Manchuria, to take just one easy example.
This is simply not historically, factually right. I mean no offense to you Mr. Lord Shang, but you probably have read too little, and too narrowly on the general topic of 20th century East Asian history, and specifically Japanese and Chinese history. The Japanese occupation and development of Manchuria/Manchuko, like that of Taiwan and Korean peninsula in the larger part of the first half of the 20th century, was not infallible or impeccable. But considering all major factors such as the causes, the intentions, the policies and implementation thereof, the concrete and concpicuous development with enormous and lasting benefits to the locals, it was indubitably a huge, complex and comprehensive project with effects and results of which you have been unaware for decades.
I might be able to write a two-thousand word thesis to inform and enlighten you and rectify your formerly untrue or inaccurate knowledge, but I simply don’t have the time in hand now. There are lots of resources online on this historical period and topic, albeit the English language resources being relatively limited admittedly. Please try looking for them using key words searches on google or youtube etc. if you want, and it is likely that you’ll encounter substantive and truthful facts on that particular history and have your old understanding corrected or moderated.
PS: I am holding a documentary-style short video on the reality of Manchuria under the Japanese rule, which was totally eye-opening and illuminating with indisputable statistic and evidential supports. But the narration of it was in Chinese. When I have more time, I may translate the narration and subtitles into English; and with Greg’s kind permit, have the English-added version posted here on Counter Currents, as a fascinating and refreshing piece of knowledge that would contribute to the comprehensive historical cultivation and appreciation of our fellow readers.
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