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Victor Hugo famously said that nothing can stop an idea whose time has come. Unfortunately, that also applies to bad ideas. Daniel Patrick Moynihan reportedly quipped that affirmative action is a bad idea whose time has come. I feel the same way about Donald Trump’s third run for the White House.
In 2015-2016, I was a fervent Trump supporter because he dared question the establishment dogma that economic globalization and immigration are good things. But, although Trump was successful in injecting nationalist and populist ideas into political debate, most of his policies came to naught because of a hostile establishment, political naïveté, and his own weak character.
By 2020, I supported Trump’s reelection simply because he was better than Joe Biden. I had given up on the idea that Trump would do anything to stop the Great Replacement, but I thought that he would at least slow it down, which would give our movement more time to do something about it. As I predicted, Biden has accelerated white dispossession, but at least we can console ourselves with the fact that he has also accelerated the rise of white racial consciousness.
However, we are not going to win by losing, as the accelerationists think. Eventually, we will need actual political victories, principally on immigration. At this point, it is unclear if any prospective Republican presidential candidates will offer credible immigration reform. What is clear, however, is Trump’s record of failure on what for us should be the central issue. What’s he going to do? Promise us a wall? Indeed, Trump’s failure on immigration is so embarrassing that he will probably try to avoid the whole issue.
Trump won in 2016 on a national populist platform with the slogan Make American Great Again. By the 2018 midterms, he was a shadow of his former self, but when he floated the idea of ending birthright citizenship, I felt a shred of hope. By 2020, the swamp had consumed him. In 2020, he ran and won again as a normie Republican with the slogan Keep America Great, as if he had spent the past four years keeping his promises and had really Made America Great Again. Trump discovered that the American political establishment is fanatically opposed to any policies that would help preserve the white majority and our way of life. Eventually, he threw in the towel and took the path of least resistance. There’s no opposition to giving favors to Jews and blacks, so he did plenty for them, including the flurry of shameful pardons he gave to Jewish swindlers and black rappers as he exited the White House, leaving the January 6th protestors to be tormented by his enemies for the last two years.
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Trump’s midterm endorsements were a mixed bag. Some were good, like Vance and Masters, but others were terrible, like Herschel Walker and Mohammed Genghis Oz. What do these endorsements have in common? Commitment to nationalist and populist principles? That would explain Vance and Masters, but not Walker and Oz. In truth, the only thing these candidates have in common is that they buttered Trump up sufficiently to get his endorsement. Trump, in short, is an unprincipled egomaniac, and it would be very foolish to depend on him for anything. Trump was worth a try in 2016. He was better than Biden in 2020. On a whim, Trump might say and do good things in the future. But at this point, it is silly to expect anything good from him.
Trump’s speech announcing his candidacy was shockingly bland in content and low-energy in presentation, focusing on such traditional Republican themes as economics, law and order, and foreign policy, with precious little on immigration. Instead, Trump’s main objections to the collapse of our Southern border are now the flow of drugs and “human trafficking” rather than the flow of millions of migrants. The whole speech sounded like it was the product of many hands: pollsters, political consultants, and focus groups. It was heavy on bragging and superlatives, which are definitely Trump’s hucksterish touches. What it lacked was the old Trump energy and the nationalist, populist red meat that put him in the White House in 2016. Is Trump trying to “normalize” himself? Is he counting on a backlash to put him into power? Backlash politics didn’t produce a Red Wave in 2022, and it won’t sweep Trump back into the White House in 2024.
I am old enough to remember how the hapless Bob Dole became the Republican nominee to save us from the Clintons in 1996. Did anyone, even Bob Dole, believe that he was the best candidate? Probably not. Did anyone think he was a particularly strong candidate? Again, probably not. Then how did he become the candidate? Why weren’t people more willing to open up about their reservations? Because, although nobody was particularly thrilled about him, he had “name recognition,” and he had been around for a long time. So doesn’t that mean that at least some people think well of him? He’s been elected to the Senate, after all. Doesn’t that mean he is “electable”? Besides, the most important thing is beating the other guy. We have to come together to beat the other guy. And isn’t the other guy so terrible that we don’t really have to come up with the best candidate? So why fight about the best candidate, when really any candidate will do? Come to think of it, this is precisely how the Democrats ended up with Joe Biden as their champion in 2020. This is how bad ideas triumph.
The bad idea of Trump 2024 will be unstoppable only if people are willing to keep their reservations to themselves because they are intimidated by real or imagined opposition, or if they think that giving in to cynicism is the mature thing to do. Thus, it is important to create safe spaces where people can share their reservations about Trump and dream a little about what would constitute an ideal candidate. Counter-Currents is one such safe space. What are your thoughts?
The most widespread argument for supporting Trump in our circles now is that he would trigger the Left and further polarize the electorate. This is true. Another Trump campaign will certainly be destructive. It will also provide a lot of nihilistic entertainment for the extremely online. But this argument pretty much concedes that no pro-white policy victories can be expected from Trump. It is essentially an accelerationist position.
But, again, we will not get a white homeland with an ever-snowballing losing streak. We won’t win simply by triggering and owning the libs. At a certain point, pro-white policies have to win out. That’s going to be a long journey, and the first step is to articulate pro-white policies and organize ourselves as a political bloc that politicians must cater to. We should begin that journey today.
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It was always a given he would run in 2024. But so what? Elections are fake.
I am stupefied by anyone who thinks otherwise. It would be like playing football when you are absolutely 100% sure the refs are going to rig all the calls for the other team. Why even show up?
Of course, our team has sucked for so long who knows why we play anyway. So I guess I’m an accelerationist.
Dole was like a GOP version of Biden.
Without a regime change op to install him.
Well said. I think I posted a list on another post. Good work has been and is being done stating the problems and documenting the instances of them. That work is valuable and needs to continue. However, that is reactive, defensive, and it won’t get it done. I love the conclusion of this post.
The bulk of our efforts now are to put that policy list together and put it out their ourselves. The key to it is not to be a list of complaints, but a list of proscriptions. Example:
* We are a merit based civilization. Affirmative Action and any form of race and gender based quotas for enrollment, hiring, promotion and benefit eligibility in any American institution, public or private is illegal. Its punishments will be (insert severe fines)
* The Civil Rights Act(s) of (years) confer legal and financial privileges and benefits on non-whites. This is antithetical to our 4000 year old civilization’s premise that citizens of a nation are equal under the law. We assert and defend our civilization. As such, the Civil Rights Act and the anti-white discrimination it codifies in law is hereby rescinded and abolished.
* A pernicious anti-white ideology has taken root in our institutions. It has the monikors CRT and Diversity Equity and Inclusion. All teachings and all DIE administrators are summarily and immediately discharged from any government funded institution. Said persons will not be eligible for retirement benefits for time served promoting anti-white racism.
* Rioting and looting are destructive, criminal acts. Any rioting and looting of our cities and towns will be quelled by unlimited military force and criminals will be charged, tried and the guilty imprisoned for violating the existing statutes with extra penalties for fomenting political violence. (This should be first since the others will be greeted with rioting and looting)
I think my other list was better, but you get the idea on being prescriptive. The politicians will not lead the way. I promise you that if we word this properly and we get it into the public, the public will welcome this. They will in turn force the politicians to do this. Because the prescriptions are there, they won’t be as able to use anti-white for solely rhetorical purposes – owning libs.
Those days are over. We take our cues from Sparta and Rome now. Politicians will only find their spines when we show them we have found ours. Politicians don’t write legislation anymore. We, like the ruling regime, will be writing the legislation and we will elect those who come to office ready to pass and enforce it.
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These are all good points.
If anybody has ideas about how we could get Trump to move in our direction, I’d like to hear them. Trump has as good or better a chance to win than any other Repub. I’ll vote for him.
It would probably be wise for us to accept that our time has not yet arrived, and we just have to make do with the least unpalatable candidates. Has everyone so soon forgotten all the hoopla about Neil Kumar and Blake Masters?
I don’t think anything can make Trump move toward us. Whether he or the Republicans admit it, he has gone over to them.
I won’t pretend to know who our best candidate could be at this point, but it can’t be Trump. He has proven ineffective, easily manipulable and completely unprincipled. Not to mention his ridiculous antics right before the midterms where he foolishly attacked one of the most popular and effective Republicans in the country.
Tucker could be a good choice for the fact that he talks about our issues, albeit in a somewhat sanitized version. He is probably the most visible and popular public figure that discusses immigration and The Great Replacement, which I’ve been informed is racist and NOT happening at all.
I’ve been reluctant in the past to suggest this website to like minded friends out of fear that they would not understand, but I’ve recently began to because I love this place so much. I sometimes feel a little out of my league among many great authors and commenters, but I always feel welcome. Thank you Greg, and to everyone else who contributes here.
Lee, thanks for your kind words about CC. I appreciate you recommending us to your friends.
I think Tucker would be an amazing candidate from an ideological point of view. My fear is that if he won, he would be unable to govern. Someone like DeSantis would be able to govern. Maybe they should be a ticket.
Trump will fizzle out before the primaries and DeSantis will be the nominee.
A race between two horses where we lose no matter who wins. I’m having a hard time caring. DeSantis would have to take up genuinely and openly pro-White positions for me to consider him anything other than a broken consolation prize. Our way does not lie in the spectacle of national politics, but elsewhere.
I want to see trump run just for the upheaval it will cause. I’ve sort of given up on our cause and become a devotee of Nemesis, an agent of Pure Chaos.
I didn’t support Trump in 2020, I’m sure not going to support him in 2024. Or any candidate that isn’t pro-White with pro-White policies. Not ‘anti-racist’ or ‘anti-anti-White’ but honest-to-goodness pro-White. That’s not going to happen, so I’m not going to waste much energy debating which of the anti-Whites pro-White should support.
Pro-Whites need to disabuse ourselves of the idea that national electoral politics is where the solution lies to the question, ‘What should pro-Whites do?’
We need a strategy that take into account opposition resources as well as resources for success and then we need pick places where our resources have the best chance of success. We also need to be more sly and thoughtful about how we get from where we are to where we want to be recognizing that ‘pro-White’ is not only a political position, but also a cultural and social position. Some folks not ready for White politics may be reader for pro-White culture (Who isn’t tired of Niggervision at this point, even liberals seem disenchanted).
We need to articulate a vision of ‘pro-White’ that doesn’t alienate any White who might be ‘concerned’ but not quite sure what to do.
We need to look at implicitly White movements – like 2A Sanctuary, ‘castle/stand your ground’ and permitless carry – for places where implicit pro-White politics might be leveraged into something even more pro-White (though still implicit-only).
We should promote positions that are pro-White adjacent, like nullification (like 2A sanctuaries) including ‘pro-American sanctuaries’ that are, essentially, inhospitable to immigration to various degrees.
It’s easy to look at what the vanguard wants and think ‘How do we drag the rest of our people to be where we are?’ But that’s that may be the wrong way to look at it. How we win is by alloying generically pro-White/implicitly White politics that is already successful with a defense of Whites (versus an attack on Jews, Negros, Browns).
To my mind, the movement does not have the expertise to ‘play politics’ much beyond the shallow end of ‘the political cesspool’, but that doesn’t mean that we cannot put on our waders and learn now to incrementally succeed for White people.
Because to be ‘pro-White’ means we have to support those things the White people like and that are good for them.
A movement without a ‘political action’ NGO is just a LARP. We need an NGO that raises funds to support candidates or ballot initiatives or legislation. One that can use our money to influence outcomes and assist in the job of ‘moving the ball down the field one first down at a time’ – a pro-White version of the ‘West Coast Offence’.
The NGO could have a mission to promote ‘populist’ policies and candidates, but make sure that the management focuses on pro-White populism. We shouldn’t care who we have to deceive as long as we don’t deceive ourselves into thinking were helping Whites stay White when we’re not.
The closest thing to the type of politician that you describe would be Blake Masters, who the DemonRats, along with help from the loathsome Mitch McConnell (married to an Asian woman), cheated out of a win in Arizona. Masters had real potential, in the context of what you described, and you can bet that the jews and their shabez goys in the Deep State / Uni-Party realized it so they made danged sure he would not be a winner.
Kari Lake is a slightly different story. She has yet to concede and has hired a team of lawyers who intend to investigate the corruption in the election system in Arizona and so we will have to wait and see how that turns out. Whether she is pro-White or not, I can’t say for sure. The thing about her that makes me suspect she is not is the time she spent working in the mainstream media. The jews who control that industry have very keen and finely tuned senses with regards to anyone who is White exhibiting even a microscopic detectable sign of being racially conscious, pro-White, or jew-wise. Lake is most definitely a strong advocate for securing our border with Mexico and she has refused to take the jewish bait on abandoning Trump (she recently endorsed Trump for 2024) – so, she appears to be at least implicitly pro-White.
Lake (and the Jews behind her) know what most people do not: Legal immigration is the main source of immigrant bodies in the US. Lake is almost certainly going to be a ‘Yes’ vote for amnesty when the time comes.
As for Masters, pro-White politics needs to move beyond ‘flash in the pan’ candidates. We need our own PAC and we need our own candidate development process. That’s what the major parties do and that’s why they have a ‘bench’ to work with and can slot in candidates based upon local demographics, local issues, etc.
Trump is a warrior who refuses to wear camouflage. He is cannon fodder to a left that knows all his moves. Best he be eliminated in an early round rather than be a final candidate.
The right needs to bright forth candidates who apply for the job the way Supreme Court justices avoid being fleeced during confirmation hearings.
Lee, thanks for your kind words about CC. I appreciate you recommending us to your friends.
I think Tucker would be an amazing candidate from an ideological point of view. My fear is that if he won, he would be unable to govern. Someone like DeSantis would be able to govern. Maybe they should be a ticket.
Trump is a stone cold loser. If he becomes the nominee it will be a guaranteed victory for the democratic party no matter who they put up there, even the retard Fetterwoman. I lost all respect for him when he declined to use the pocket veto he had on a BLOATED budget bill put before him in I believe ’18. Fact is though, most all of us will vote for him if he gets the nomination, which I would put money on it that he does. After all, the system is rigged. Hahaha!!
I like Trump and will be a big supporter.Trump almost closed the Southern Border.Biden has let in millions of illegal alien invaders.That is enough reason to vote for Trump.We don’t have to worry about Trump unleashing the FBI on us.I feel safer with Donald as prez.
I got Trump fatigue well before the end of his term. He simply blew it, irredeemably. It’s too far out to say whom I will end up backing.
However, I do think we should remember how many people–who aren’t yet fully on our side (i.e. “normies”)–still embrace him for what he represents (the “avatar” you’ve mentioned, Greg).
Some in our circles are indifferent about courting normies. I’m not. Maybe it’s naive, but I think many of them can be converted. (And if they can’t, who exactly can?) I’m amazed at some of the background stories I hear as I get to meet more WNs; a cynic never would have given some of us a chance! Yet here we are.
All that to say, my inclination is to tell the truth as I see it about Trump when topics are discussed, but to stop short of making his devotees feel like I think they’re stupid. I can’t think of a single person I’ve ever turned into a friend treating him or her that way.
I couldn’t agree more about most normies can be converted. It’s just difficult to activate them. Even if there had been a Red Wave we all know Republicans would be useless. Normies get mad when you point that out. Can anyone suggest what can make an”aha” moment for them?
I read this piece as “For the love of God people, don’t get invested in Trump again, we’ve got better things to do.”
If that’s the case then duly noted.
I disagree that polarizing the electorate is an “accelerationist” position. A polarized electorate isn’t winning by losing, it’s a win. It’ll be a great day when they want to separate from us as much as we do them (remember Calexit?).
They hate this guy infinitely more than they hated any other President, including GWB. Rubbing their noses in four more years of Trump is an end in itself.
All that said, yes, I’m considerably less invested in Orange Man this time around. A win will be a “plus” but a loss will be “whatever”.
As for an ideal candidate? Punished Tom Brady, with our politics of course.
Does Greg Johnson ever bother to do his homework on these political candidates that are being hand picked by the diabolically evil, White race hating GOP Establishment RINOs and their Deep State allies?
Or, perhaps Greg Johnson’s inattentiveness to his homework is the reason why he seems to be both unaware of, and fails to understand the implications of DeSantis being backed by the globalist, anti-populist, anti-MAGA, anti-America First, anti-Nationalism (except for jews in Israel), pro-Amnesty and pro-Open Borders and aggressively pro-White Race Replacement likes of the loathsome Bush family, and Mittens Romney, and every other globalist, war mongering elitist cockroach that White Americans finally were able to kick out of power when they went rogue and voted for Trump in 2016?
Let me provide Greg and all these other folks who are thinking about abandoning Trump and voting for DeSantis, assuming he runs in 2024 a little advice. These loathsome Bushes and Romney and the rest of the GOPe RINO globalists are using Ron DeSantis as a weapon that they think can destroy the entire MAGA movement, which they HATE. And, they hate the MAGA movement because right now, it is the only thing that stands in the way of their ultimate goal of destroying America and ushering in their crazy One World Totalitarian government. The NWO that Papa Bush first vomited out of his mouth way back in 1992, I think – cannot tolerate any White Western nation being able to retain it’s sovereignty and independence, which is the primary goal of Nationalists.
So, preserving and growing the MAGA movement is of utmost importance and this is far more important and much bigger than just Donald Trump. Ron DeSantis has not uttered a single word of praise for the MAGA movement, although he has espoused a few political positions that seem to resonate with the MAGA ideology. However, just this past week, did Greg Johnson notice how DeSantis decided to send a virtue signal to the jews by ordering that a statue of a famous Confederate General be removed and replaced with some minority Civil Rights activist/agitator from the 1960s? DeSantis was telling the jews that he would promise to be just as anti-White as any White race hating democrat and he signaled his willingness to carry on with the jewish driven agenda to erase every famous White figure from American history and replace them with a minority.
You do realize that the reason the jews are pushing to erase every famous and admired White man or woman from the pages of American history is because it is their way of rubbing our White noses in our own displacement and reminding us that we are a conquered race of people, right? They do it to humiliate and emasculate us, and to strip Whites of their dignity and pride. To taunt us over the fact that jews have stolen our nation right out from under us. DeSantis is a willing participant in that twisted jewish agenda. Trump, on the other hand, while in office – had the balls to hang a portrait of Andrew Jackson in the Oval Office and he also tried to curtail the jewish insult of replacing Jackson on the $20 bill with the butt ugly negress, Harriet Tubman. He was only able to delay it; had he been reelected, I am pretty confident that he would have stopped it entirely.
You correctly point out that Trump did not do very much that was explicitly pro-White, but he did make an effort to tighten up our border and he drastically reduced these asylum and refugee quotas that are part of the White Race Replacement Agenda. He was by no means a perfect President for White Americans, but he was light years better than any other president who sat in that office for the last 80 or more years.
Here is the bottom line about DeSantis. I was told once by my long deceased father that you can tell a great deal about a man by studying the company he keeps. I’ve not once found that wisdom to be untrue. Thus, if Bush and Romney and the globalists who Whites finally kicked out of power in 2016 are backing DeSantis – they are doing so because they are convinced that DeSantis will help them regain their stranglehold over the GOP and then they can resume their business of endless wars for Israel, amnesty for illegal aliens, outsourcing our jobs and off-shoring our companies to the third world and erasing the sovereignty of the United States and proceeding with their wet dream of merging the US-Mexico-Canada visi vi that NAU fantasy of theirs.
Or, which is far more likely – using DeSantis to kill the MAGA movement, knock off Trump, then using the same mail-in ballot and drop-box tactics that the Democrats used in 2020 and 2022 to steal the 2024 election from DeSantis, because the GOPe are part of the Uni-Party which prefers the Democrats to have all the power.
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Succinct. You’re right about ron desantis.
I think it’s unrealistic at this point to expect an openly pro-White POTUS to charge in like Kalki on the Potomac and end the era of dissolution in American politics.
Since our only salvation is in regional autonomy, post-American conservatism, and the dismantling of the United States, we should probably be looking at presidential candidates through the lens of “how would their election contribute to the erosion of federal power and the state apparatus?” This is how you set the stage for things like nullification or even secession.
Unfortunately, neither Trump nor DeSantis fit this bill at all. Someone like Massie might be a decent tactical choice, but I’m not sure that his type of conservatism is electorally viable in a post-Tea Party era. I really don’t see any good realistic options for 2024 unless someone comes along who is supportive of state and local sovereignty but also not an overly-zealous (and thus unelectable) lolbertarian/Tea Partier.
Consider Tom Cotton, the only current Senator I can recall who has at least floated the idea of reducing legal immigration. I think you could count on him also to secure the border, something Trump only semi-did, and that temporarily via various Executive Orders – and this when he had an all-GOP Federal Government (including what would have been a fairly pliable Supreme Court – at the time: Thomas, Alito, Gorsuch, probably Roberts, and probably Kennedy, who wasn’t too bad on immigration cases) whom he certainly could have bullied into funding his wall had he vetoed the first few GOP attempts at a Federal budget. Fact is, as long time former Chronicles editor Thomas Fleming said back in the late 80s (or maybe very early 90s) about Reagan, Trump “was like Homer’s Menelaus, ‘good at the battle cry’, but rarely up to a sustained fight with real enemies.” Or, stealing from Teddy Roosevelt, Trump “walked loudly, but carried a tiny stick”. He consistently overpromised, and underdelivered (not at all a shrewd approach for someone who had allegedly mastered “the art of the deal”).
Trump shows that leaders are everything. Prior to Trump, the ideas of immigration control and curtailing globalism weren’t even on the map. It takes a motivated, strong-willed person to become a nexus and a lightning rod of those ideas to activate them in the masses. Trump was such a figure for paleoconservatism. There were obviously people before him who championed these ideas, notably Buchanan, but he lacked the X-factor, or divine spark, or whatever you wanna call it that makes a person magnetic and their ideas attractive. Buchanan was unable to create a wave to ride into the White House, while Trump did, this cannot be argued with.
White Nationalism right now is entirely leaderless, and the “thought leaders” we do have, wise as they may sometimes be, are all Buchanans at the very best, which is why no waves are being made. There is no one around right now capable of transforming these ideas into a popular mass movement, which it should be as it’s the only way to guarantee our ideas not being pushed aside. This is the lesson of Trump, but Trump is not a White Nationalist.
Pat Buchanan ran for President in 2000 as a paleoconservative and failed. Trump ran in 2016 as a paleoconservative and succeeded. Here’s hoping that 16 years from now we will have the man with the divine spark needed to put White Nationalism in the White House. All we can do is pray and work to keep the specter of White Nationalism alive and haunting the West, through sunny days and sleepless nights, because a true leader can’t be crafted, he simple appears, and you can’t control that. All you can really do is prepare the right conditions.
Universal History, the history of what man has accomplished in this world, is at bottom the History of the Great Men who have worked here. They were the leaders of men, these great ones; the modellers, patterns, and in a wide sense creators, of whatsoever the general mass of men contrived to do or to attain; all things that we see standing accomplished in the world are properly the outer material result, the practical realization and embodiment, of Thoughts that dwelt in the Great Men sent into the world: the soul of the whole world’s history, it may justly be considered, were the history of these.
T. Carlyle
There’s Trump the politician and Trump the tactic.
What made Trump work in 2015-16 was that he rattled the cages of the hostile elites by going onto the offensive rhetorically, live and online. And Trump did inspire millions of Americans to do the same. Look at the rallies.
2015-16 was the same time that the old Alt Right was peaking. The elites were not really prepared then for either Trump or the wider rising tide of national-populism. Then there was Charlottesville ’17 and the Regime counterattack.
The thing about Trump is that as long as he was in the Oval Office, the elites were divided. They expended a heck of a lot of energy in attempting to bring him down. With Trump out of office since 2021, the Regime is directing its combined energies against the traditional American people. If Trump were to again win the presidency, or even make a serious run for that office, it would give the Dissident Right room to maneuver.
It just may be that De Santis (or some other GOP candidate) would be a better occupant of the White House for advancing specific policy items. But politics are not just getting bills out of committees. Politics are also decided in the media, the classrooms, the boardrooms, the streets, the chatrooms and social media feeds…
Dissident Right ideas are moving into the mainstream. Tucker Carlson has brought Curtis Yavin to millions. American Greatness has advocated “The Salazar Option,” about the need for a pro-right activist state (after the Portuguese Estado Novo). Small “l” libertarian websites are referencing articles by Z-Man. And who knows what fronts Elon Musk’s Twitter ™ shall open?
The Regime’s sock puppets just may be right that Trump has given “semi-fascists” (whatever that means!) permission to speak freely. It’s not what Trump does per se that counts. It’s the chaos he creates and how the Dissident Right can exploit it.
There are two years until the next US presidential election. That’s two years of Dissident Right tactics.
Go get ’em!
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