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Look to Ukraine

Émile Durand

2,288 words

These are the people to take inspiration from.

These are the people to take inspiration from.

Previously, I wrote here extensively about the nature of Russian identity and how it crucially differs from European identity in many ways. In the present article I will discuss why it is naïve and delusional to expect Russia to help white Europeans in their struggle and, moreover, why Russia should not in principle be looked upon for any kind of help or spiritual guidance. 

In contrast, I will argue that it is Ukraine, and more particularly the recent Ukrainian Revolution, that should serve as a guidance and inspiration for western White Nationalists and by extension to whites all around the world.   

The Internal State of Russian Society

Contrary to what many distant observers may think, Russian society suffers the same decadence that is characteristic of the liberal West. Indeed, one can even argue that the situation in Russia is far grimmer.

For example, the disintegration of traditional family is being lamented in the West (and justifiably so). But the family has far more serious problems in Russia. For example, Russia has long had the highest divorce rate in the world. It may be partly attributed to economic problems. But this is still not an excuse. Many Third World countries are poorer than Russia. Nevertheless, they continue to preserve a firm, traditional family structure. Most importantly, according to a recent survey, cheating turned out to be the main factor behind divorce (24%), followed by poverty (21%) and inability to compromise (19%). Although poverty can be attributed to harsh economic conditions, the other two factors are clearly indicative of a deep crisis of values within modern Russian society.

The ostensible attempts of the Putin government and the Orthodox Church to remedy the situation and reform Russian society in accordance with traditional values have had little, if any, success. Russian society — especially the youth — is fully in the grip of Western consumerism and decadence. Clearly, being patriotic and proud of one’s past does not in any way prevent one from succumbing to decadence. Sexual morals are as lax in Russian society as they are in the West, and Russian television is even more vulgar than in America. The majority of young Russians practice — or at least long for — a licentious lifestyle.

Like Catholicism and Protestantism, Orthodox Christianity is not strong enough to counter modern decadence. The church’s apparent rise in power and importance in post-Soviet Russia is only superficial. As with being a Russian patriot, being devoutly Orthodox is apparently not enough to prevent decadence in a person’s private life.

When the people look to the church and its leaders, they often see examples not of holiness but of flagrant corruption and hypocrisy. While the majority of the Russian population lives at the brink of poverty, many clerics, including Patriarch Kirill himself, are well-known for their opulence. Recently there was a controversy surrounding Patriarch Kirill after he was noticed wearing a Rolex watch. Many clerics are known to drive very expensive cars, live in sumptuous residences, and lead sybaritic lifestyles. Clearly, if they were concerned about uplifting social morals, they would be providing a better example.

The recent “anti-gay laws” will have little effect, because in Russia, as in the West, the breakdown of marriage and family life is the fault of the heterosexual majority. Prohibiting homosexual propaganda in the schools will obviously not turn Russian heterosexuals into better husbands and wives, fathers and mothers.

Moreover, in spite of its large oil and gas reserves, and in spite of not being governed by communism for more than 20 years now, Russia remains an essentially Third-World country with a weak economy and a crumbling infrastructure. In fact, it subsists only on its natural resources and nothing else. Many people live at the brink of poverty. Many towns, especially as one moves eastwards, still don’t have proper streets, electricity, and water supplies. Corruption, arbitrariness, and lack of humanity are rampant at all levels of administration. In the meantime, Putin and his entourage are only interested in increasing their ill-gotten riches and do not consider investing in the country and its people.

In addition, in 2013 Russia ranked second in numbers of asylum seekers, surpassing Afghanistan and exceeded only by Syria, which is in a full-blown civil war. What’s worse, Russia is losing its best people. Real white Russians — and anyone who continues to possess at least a speck of white European identity — are running away.

Add these wretched conditions to Western-style decadence and you get a very gloomy picture. George Bernard Shaw once claimed that America was the first society to go from barbarism to decadence without passing through civilization. Russia, unfortunately, has gone from Soviet barbarism to Western decadence, with only the most superficial revivals of traditional civilization.

Russia Can be Neither an Ally nor a Spiritual Guide to White Revival

As the ominous processes erasing white Western man and his civilization proceed without interruption, European nationalists feel themselves in Zeitnot. Time is running out. This, in turn, compels them to make short-sighted decisions, try quick-fix solutions, and pray of apocalyptic transformations or a savior on a white horse. But the height of silliness is the cult of Vladimir Putin among Western ethnonationalists, which recently has been accompanied by the outright betrayal of their real ideological and racial allies. Part of this is caused by a lack of thorough, far-sighted analysis — part of it by simple ignorance about Muscovy-Russia.

As should already be obvious from everything written above, Russia does not, and simply cannot, have anything to offer as spiritual guidance to Europeans. Dugin’s Eurasianism, moreover, has nothing to offer ethnonationalists. It is merely a vapid contrivance in support of Russian imperial revanchism, with all its ethnocidal consequences for Russians as well as their intended victims.

White Nationalists must finally come to grips with the fact that the national interests of Russians are not only not the same as, but, in many cases, are actually in conflict with those of Europeans. Therefore, they should not expect Russians to feel empathy with their struggle. In fact, the majority of Russians do not even think they share common enemies with Europeans. Surprising as it may seem to many White Nationalists, Muscovite-Russians see European civilization itself as their main enemy, and it is this confrontation and animosity that underline their identity and their vision of their civilizational destiny.

A highly pertinent historical analogy can be drawn from Oswald Spengler. The Eastern parts of Roman Empire, which were populated mostly by Syriac and Aramaic speaking peoples, experienced Classical Civilization as an alien imposition, an inappropriate cultural form that thwarted the fulfillment of their own unique destiny. Thus the Near-Eastern subjects of the Empire held a subconscious and deep-seated hatred against everything Roman.

Spengler claimed that an analogous “pseudomorphosis” took place in Russia after Peter the Great forcefully brought it under the influence of European Culture. When most Westerners think of Russia, they think of the glories of Russian culture, especially in literature and music, from the 18th and 19th centuries. But that culture was an artificial top-down creation, superimposed by Peter the Great and his successors and deeply resented by the native Russian population.

In this respect, the Bolshevik Revolution can be regarded as the Muscovite-Russian revolt against European Civilization, just as the advent of Islam was the revolt of Near-Eastern peoples against Classical Civilization, even though Marxism itself was a Western ideology. More importantly, there is no reason to suppose that these processes came to a halt or were somehow reversed. On the contrary, they remain in full force in contemporary Russian society. Indeed, this can explain the veneration of the Soviet past and Stalin’s increasing popularity among Russians.

Ukraine as Example and Inspiration for Western White Nationalists

The current revolution in Ukraine, in which nationalists played a leading and decisive role, is a great opportunity for western White Nationalists, provided that we draw the correct conclusions and take the right steps. Unfortunately, western WNs have not yet sufficiently comprehended the meaning of the Ukrainian revolution. But it is not too late to correct the damage done by hasty and uncritical support of Vladimir Putin.

Ukrainian nationalists are being accused of receiving support from the Obama administration, U.S. State Department, and E.U. Moreover, the leader of Svoboda, Oleg Tyahnybok, has been chastised for meeting with John McCain. These observations, it is alleged in WN circles, are enough to disqualify Svoboda and Right Sector as our friends and prove instead that they are simply the puppets of anti-white forces represented by the U.S. and E.U.

In effect, such White Nationalists are allowing their enemies to tell them who their friends are. It is an essentially reactionary and unprincipled approach to politics. They despise the U.S. and E.U., so they side with Vladimir Putin, because the U.S. and E.U. have decided that he is their enemy. They side against the Ukrainian nationalists, because they are Putin’s enemies and the temporary allies of the US and EU.

But a mature political movement does not let its enemies decide who its friends are. Instead, a mature movement decides for itself. It consults its own principles to determine who its friends are and who its enemies are.

Carl Schmitt claims that one function of a sovereign is to decide who the enemy is. By failing to choose their enemies and friends for themselves, White Nationalists prove that they are not ready to lead a sovereign people. Instead, they are merely followers of the true lords of this world, whom they affect to despise, yet pose no threat to their continued sovereignty.

By ethnonationalist standards, Svoboda and Right Sector should be our friends, because they share common principles with us. And, by ethnonationalist standards, Vladimir Putin—who seeks to preserve and expand Russia as a multiracial, multicultural empire—is just as much our enemy as the US and the EU. Putin sees this far more clearly than his Western White Nationalist supporters, since he jails their Russian equivalents.

It is irrelevant whom Obama and the E.U. support. What is important is that we support people who share our own principles. It may very well be that in Ukraine our enemies, either unknowingly or more likely knowingly but unwillingly, support our true friends and allies. The fact that in Ukraine the enemies of the white race found it expedient and in line with their perceived interests to support (most likely temporarily) Ukrainian nationalists does not qualify the latter as someone to be shunned by White Nationalists. If we really believe our principles, then we should think better of the West for supporting Svoboda and Right Sector, not worse of the Ukrainian nationalists.

The fact that in Ukraine nationalists were part of a large political coalition and actually the main force behind its victory can lend credence to other nationalist movements all over Europe. It has the potential to improve the reputation of nationalist movements, and more importantly the reputation of nationalism as an idea, in the eyes of white Europeans. Therefore, the support received by the Right Sector and Svoboda from the U.S. and E.U. could play into our hands and thus should be viewed as an opportunity.

Of course, anti-white forces supported nationalists in Ukraine in order to pursue their own goals and to strengthen their position in Europe against Russia. But that is irrelevant to us. What is solely important is that nationalists acted as the main engine of an uprising viewed mostly favorably in the eyes of the western public and were given, at least for now, relatively favorable coverage in the western media (something that other nationalist parties in Europe cannot yet even dream of).

Instead of fawning over Russia and trying to court favors from Putin, Western White Nationalists should develop closer contacts with Svoboda and the Right Sector, learn from their experience, and begin applying and improving the methods which brought them success.

In Western Europe, various European nationalist groups have been motivated to set aside petty nationalism and recognize pan-European interests. Their external motive is the threat of American hegemony. (Most Americans may be white, but the American ideology and system are anti-white and imperialistic. Thus we must love the sinners but hate their sins.) Their internal motive is the social upheaval caused by mass non-white immigration. Both of these threats harm Europeans as Europeans, causing them to think as Europeans, with a common heritage, a common identity, common interests, and a common destiny.

A similar process is taking place in Eastern Europe. From the Baltic to the Black Sea, there are vivid memories of Russian and Soviet oppression. “Russophobia” is not an irrational fear, as this politically correct accusation implies. It is entirely rational, given past history and current events. Again, as in America, there are many whites in Russia, but they too are in the grip of an ethnocidal and imperialistic ideology, which is destructive to their own real identity as well as that of their neighbors. We love the sinners but deplore their sins.

The renewed danger emanating from Russia is bringing Eastern European countries closer together. White Nationalists hope that a common danger will help them forget their past grievances against each other. For instance, Poland and Lithuania openly expressed their support for Ukraine from the very beginning. Recently, strong moves have also been taken for a rapprochement of Ukraine with Romania and Hungary.

Furthermore, just as Western Europeans feel threatened by Third World populations within their borders, Eastern Europeans feel threatened by restive Russian populations within their borders, which present the same threat to their identity as blacks, Arabs, Turks, and South Asians present to Western Europe.

Western White Nationalists need to recognize that the Ukrainian struggle for national self-determination is our struggle too.

 

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18 comments

  1. NYTrad says:
    April 9, 2014 at 1:18 pm

    The new Ukrainian government killed nationalist militant Sashko Bily and seeks to disarm the nationalist paramilitaries. Svoboda is polling in single digits, while pro EU candidates, some who are Jewish lead in the polls. The hatred of the Ukrainians towards Russia is like the hatred of the Irish towards the English, justifiable but petty. Settling historical grievances by jumping in bed with the EU is not the way forward. Russia, even under Stalin (see Kerry Bolton’s Stalin: The Enduring Legacy), has always been a conservative force against the liberal values of the decadent West and it is moving to embrace that role more fully.

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  2. Bruce says:
    April 9, 2014 at 9:29 pm

    I am less and less viewing Russia as an ally the more they couch their position in “anti-Nazi” rhetoric, but I have yet to be convinced that Svoboda and Right Sector are the real deal. Maybe the Ukrainian nationalists know what they’re doing, but I am extremely suspicious. They seem to have really cozied themselves up to the Jews, with Dmitry Yarosh even having a friendly meeting with the Israeli ambassador. Russia may be an enemy to the Ukraine, but Jews are much worse. Does anyone really doubt that the principal reason for the poverty and corruption in the Ukraine are the Jewish oligarchs and Jewish organized crime? How many thousands of beautiful, innocent Ukrainian girls have been sold into slavery by these Jews?

    Always remember who the number one enemy is.

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  3. Fourmyle of Ceres says:
    April 10, 2014 at 1:58 am

    One quick observation:

    The author makes the same point, from on WN perspective, that Harold Covington does, from another, no less valid, WN perspective.

    Numerous mystics, including the American, Edgar Cayce, see the development of a new shift in Consciousness in Russia starting around 2050 or so. Russia is not Western; never has been, never will be. The foundation of truly vibrant White Nationalism is being laid in that framework, de facto if not de jure, on Russian terms, and certainly not Western terms.

    I have been shocked at how many self-defined White Nationalists look to Putin as if he will save us from our selves, as if he can save us from what, after all, we allowed the creation of. It is this breathtaking, Childish level of self-selected immaturity, that insures the continued failure of White Nationalism as an actionable political framework.

    This, in large part, is why I preach so often of two principles; one, the Northwest Republic as an analytical model for defining solutions to our present state of affairs, and two, the absolute importance of contributing to counter-currents, each and every month.

    I believe the deepest wishes of what we can call, for want of a better term, the Mother Russia Aspect of the Divine Sophia, called forth the persona of Putin, and empowered him to be an Aspect of the outworking of the Divine Hand in laying the foundation for a new Russian spirit, and, from that, a new Russian people, and finally, a New Russia. This is, as is the development of the Northwest Republic, the work of generations of disciplined people, all working to make the world of their Posterity much better than the one we have before us.

    All that Putin does seems driven by this overarching framework, and, so far, he has not put a step wrong. THAT, in good part, is the First Lesson we can learn from him; can, and should.

    Vast, and correct, vision must improve our sight. For my very small part, at night, before I fall asleep, I read the Introduction to Imperium, and dream of the day my Posterity will see – and pilot – Mankind’s first starship taking off from Kalispell.

    Dream bigger, see correctly, think more deeply, and work harder.

    Keeping our Dreams grounded, send money to counter-currents, each and every month, without fail.

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    1. Émile Durand says:
      April 12, 2014 at 4:47 pm

      Dream bigger, see correctly, think more deeply, and work harder.

      Exactly. In fact, by being infatuated with Russia and bestowing their hopes on that country and more particularly on its leader, Vladimir Putin, White Nationalists betray a feeling of impotence and lack of self-confidence. This basically amounts to defeatism and a general lack of confidence in Western Civilization and thus in its creator, the white race itself. However, such pessimistic and defeatist feelings are absolutely unjustified. Western Civilization has not yet exhausted its potential for spiritual greatness and to generate fresh thought. Therefore, it remains capable of a new spiritual revival without any external involvement and the white race retains its ability for great deeds, as the latest events in Ukraine have shown. This revival in turn will require patience with meticulous and painstaking efforts which however will bear their fruits in the end. One aspect of this effort should be making closer contacts with Ukrainian and other Eastern European nationalists in order to create a united European front fighting for white interests.

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  4. Rex May says:
    April 10, 2014 at 5:15 pm

    Very helpful piece. Quoted and linked and commented on here:
    Is Ukrainian nationalism a natural ally of Western nationalism? What about Russia?
    http://ex-army.blogspot.com/2014/04/emile-durand-on-ukraine-and-russia.html

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  5. RTE says:
    April 11, 2014 at 8:00 pm

    Putin is forming alliances with nationalists all over Europe.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/paul-ames-europes-far-right-is-embracing-putin-2014-4

    I think the principle is that the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Ukrainian nationalists may be great guys. But they will never be a counter to the US and the EU. Russia, on the other hand, is in a position to support patriots across the European continent.

    The idea that Russia is an Asiatic empire threatening the West is quite hilarious, when you compare their demographic situation to our. I’ve been to both St. Petersburg and Paris. The former was 90% white, without a hint of Asiatic or Near Eastern admixture in the vast majority of the population. The latter looked like Chicago.

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    1. Émile Durand says:
      April 12, 2014 at 4:35 pm

      Judging about Russia based on impressions of St. Petersburg is highly misleading. St. Peterburg with its beauty and cultural heritage is the product of the European Culture superimposed on the Russian population by European settlers between the reign of Peter The Great and Bolshevik Revolution. The city was actually deeply resented by the native Russian population and by its most renowned herald Fyodor Dostoyevsky. He called St. Petersburg an artificial city alien to the Russian soul. St. Petersburg is indeed the only one of its kind in Russia, and not at all representative of the country as a whole.

      Moreover, since St. Petersburg is the most European, the most cultured and geographically one of the most western cities in Russia, it should come as no surprise to a race realist that its population is predominantly white. Therefore, the population of St. Petersburg, with its racial and cultural makeup, is also not representative of Russia.

      Regarding the demographic problems experienced by the West, Russia experiences the same problems. Indeed, also in this case the situation in Russia is even worse contrary to what many western WNs think. Apart from the low birth rate, differently from the West, Russia also has a high death rate accompanied by rampant alcoholism. The alleged increase in birth rate announced by Putin government should be viewed with suspicion. Firstly, simply because like in Soviet times many things announced by the Russian government are either outright lies serving official propaganda, or at best are so concocted as to evade many “unpleasant” details. Secondly, even if the official numbers are true and that Russian birthrate did indeed increase, it is mostly (if not solely) due to high fertility of non-white portions of the population.

      Finally, Putin’s government recently decided to flirt with some European nationalist parties in order to exploit them in achieving its own goals and to essentially split and bring confusion to the White Nationalist movement in Europe by pitting western nationalists against their Eastern European counterparts. Sadly, western nationalists were bought into this KGB-style trick. Putin’s Russia will use European nationalists as long as it pleases and then will betray them in the very last moment. White Nationalists were indeed warned against becoming useful idiots serving Russian agenda. From what can be observed up to now these warnings reached deaf ears.

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      1. RTE says:
        April 12, 2014 at 5:52 pm

        In politics, it’s completely normal to make alliances of convenience with those that would betray you if they had the chance. Putin, theoretically, at least might be willing to live on the same planet with European dominant ethno-states. The EU and the US would not. And even if Putin wanted to betray WNs in the end, history is full of powers supporting movements for their own interests and seeing them spin out of control (i.e., American support for the mujahideen).

        When WNs are being persecuted and hunted by their own governments, why should they refuse help from Russia because of a theoretical worry that Putin will betray them sometime down the line? All Ukrainian nationalists have to offer is moral support. Yet the multicultural empire is disgustingly anti-white, and a lack of logical consistency hasn’t prevented it from triumphing.

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        1. Émile Durand says:
          April 12, 2014 at 6:28 pm

          In order to be conducive to white interests and serve the white European cause, a hypothetical alliance with Russia should be made with a thorough knowledge and a deep understanding of who Russians really are. If European nationalists decide to ally themselves with Russia against a common enemy they have to have a clear understanding that Russians as a people are in large part different from Europeans with different interests, identity and vision of their destiny. Moreover, such an alliance of convenience should not be accompanied by a betrayal of true racial and ideological allies. An alliance by definition presupposes equal participation with equally legitimate goals and interests. If European nationalists venture for an alliance with Russia, they have to come up with their own firm claims and coherent ideology, and not dance to the Russian tune. For example, instead of supporting the sham Crimean referendum and parroting Russian lies, they should have firmly demanded Russia to completely abandon its encroachments into European territory, stop meddling in affairs of Eastern European nations and bring the Russian population inhabiting those countries back into Russia, in return for a support against meddling of the West in Russia’s own internal affairs. That would have been a fair deal worthy of equal alliance partners. However, such claims were not made and European nationalists blindly and unconditionally supported Russia, entering this affair not as alliance partners but sadly rather as lackeys.

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  6. AT says:
    April 11, 2014 at 8:14 pm

    The author loses a lot of credibility when he compares Russian minorities to blacks, Arabs, etc. Culturally and biologically, that’s a crazy thing to say.

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    1. Greg Johnson says:
      April 11, 2014 at 8:19 pm

      He’s not comparing them culturally and biologically. He’s comparing them in terms of their propensity to criminal behavior and rioting, for example:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronze_Night

      And, of course, as we have seen in Ukraine, the presence of a disgruntled Russian minority can be used as a pretext for Russian incursions and annexations.

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      1. AT says:
        April 11, 2014 at 8:28 pm

        Are there statistics to back that up? Especially when you compare them to blacks, I’d need to see some data.

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        1. Greg Johnson says:
          April 12, 2014 at 2:49 am

          He’s comparing them to blacks in terms of their analogous sociological profile. It is not a statistical comparison. I doubt that any group is close to blacks in the amount of petty crime, murder, and chaos they create. Of course Jews are far more destructive on a grand scale, with the wars and revolutions they foment, not to mention the fact that they are principally responsible for the collapse of segregation and white supremacy, and the dismantling of immigration control, opening the floodgates to black crime and chaos.

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    2. Émile Durand says:
      April 12, 2014 at 5:14 pm

      Of course, Russians are in no way as crime prone as blacks or Arabs, but for example compared to Baltic peoples or indigenous Ukrainians they certainly are more crime prone. If you encounter a group of “youths” on the street claiming your money, in almost all cases they will be Russians. Most likely they won’t kill you, they won’t rape you but they will forcefully take your wallet for example. Luckily, Eastern European nations have so far been spared of the massive non-white immigration experienced by western countries, but the Russian population within their borders creates similar problems, albeit at much smaller scale and intensity. In addition, similar to non-white peoples (also obviously including Jews) populating white countries, their loyalty is directed entirely towards Russia, and not to the indigenous population of their host countries.

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  7. rhondda says:
    April 12, 2014 at 5:26 pm

    This is the post I read that made me think that Dugin was a nutbar and trying to justify his messianism.

    http://eurocontinentalism.wordpress.com/2013/09/13/dostoyevsky-and-the-metaphysics-of-st-petersburg-prof-dr-alexandr-dugin/

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  8. R_Moreland says:
    April 15, 2014 at 4:22 am

    This is one more reason a World European Congress is needed (cf John Gordon’s article). It would give a forum in which these issues could be hashed out.

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  9. D. says:
    April 16, 2014 at 4:03 pm

    I don’t understand how can anyone trust such man as Dugin. He has already said in one of his books, “Against the West – Russia Strikes Back”, that a real eurasian militant should always say what people want to hear, i.e. he’s like the serpent who can say anything that you want to hear so that you may turn to his side.

    Also, and even worse, he has said that people who practice such sports as Surf and Skate should be sent to Ghettos and Gulags. How can anyone think such man is serious? A beard doesn’t make an prophet!

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Writer & Article of the Month May 2026

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Top Writers

  • #1 Morris van de Camp 2 votes
  • #2 David M. Zsutty 2 votes
  • #3 Derek Stark 2 votes
  • #4 Jayant Bhandari 2 votes
  • #5 Greg Johnson 2 votes
  • #6 Jared Taylor 1 vote
  • #7 Collin Cleary 1 vote
  • #8 Spencer J. Quinn 1 vote
  • #9 Mark Gullick 1 vote
  • #10 Lipton Matthews 1 vote
  • #11 Keith Woods 1 vote
  • #12 Steven Tucker 1 vote

Top Articles

  • #1 The Lunch Wars 2 votes
  • #2 Heidegger on Nietzsche, Part One 2 votes
  • #3 Could Fascism Work? 1 vote
  • #4 Jared Taylor's Elevator Pitch to a Billionaire 1 vote
  • #5 Predation Wearing the Mask of Civilization 1 vote
  • #6 Peak Fatigue in Fort Wayne 1 vote
  • #7 Keith Wood's Elevator Pitch to a Billionaire 1 vote
  • #8 Do You Want to Play a Game? 1 vote
  • #9 Why Billionaires Should Fund White Identity Politics 1 vote
  • #10 The 1970s: The Golden Age of Hijacking 1 vote
  • #11 True Folk-Horror Is Horror of Your Own Folk 1 vote
  • #12 Finding Atlantis Part 4 1 vote
  • #13 Berlin: City of Stones 1 vote
  • #14 The Ghost of the Confederacy 1 vote
  • #15 Lothrop Stoddard’s The Revolt Against Civilization 1 vote

Total votes cast: 17