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Longtime friends of Counter-Currents, Gaddius, Karl Thorburn, and David Zsutty joined Greg Johnson to share their reactions to the murder of Charlie Kirk. The episode is now available to download or listen to here.
Topics include:
3:07 – Charlie Kirk’s death was a “Where were you when…” moment.
4:57 – Gaddius shares his thoughts on Kirk’s assassination.
7:54 – David Zsutty on the surreal nature of Kirk’s death.
10:44 – Will Charlie’s death spark unity on the right?
15:54 – Right-wing cancel culture strikes back against the leftists.
19:25 – Karl Thorburn joins the panel.
29:29 – Erika Kirk’s statement.
43:39 – Has the left lost? Is the battle now against “cuckservatives”?
1:04:22 – How to crush the left.
1:30:23 – Don’t forget the murder of Iryna Zarutska.
1:50:38 – Thoughts on Kash Patel’s Valhalla remark.
1:54:00 – Final thoughts from panelists.
To listen in a player, click here or below. To download, right-click the link and click “save as.”
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My initial reaction to the announcement of Erika’s speech was to cringe. I feared she might come out with some message of unity and peace and blunt the momentum. Frankly, I didn’t want to hear from her, because although she’s his wife and I felt sad for her, the anger on the right wasn’t really about her (even if she was fuel for it). It was about us, and the left, and the declining state of our country, and she has no particular credibility to speak to those things.
But I watched it and was pleased by her defiance, at least. Although I don’t exactly trust her to run TPUSA, she didn’t take wind out of the sails. We’ll see how it goes.
I hope the Western Provinces are inspired to leave Canada now, given how the Liberal majority will view Charlie Kirk’s death.
They don’t need Ottawa’s permission for independence: They have a free, sovereign will over their native lands and a desire to rid themselves of petty tyranny.
On the whole right wing cancel culture thing.
I knew someone who worked at a hospital and threatened to cut off their relatives over their covid vaccination status. She threatened them not to lie about it either, because she could easily pull up their records. There wasn’t any self awareness about her threatening to break patient confidentiality and the law, it was like a feudal prince having a prerogative they’re entitled to, there was just smugness about it. The whole experience devastated my friend’s family.
Then there’s another anecdote. I know someone else that watches those medical slop dramas, similar to Dr House and Gray’s Anatomy, but whatever today’s version is (idk the names, I don’t keep up with it). I caught a bit while I was visiting few years back as it was playing on the TV. I just happened to catch the show glamorizing medical malpractice. A patient comes in with a breathing tube and four broken limbs, he’s helpless in bed. It later turns out he’s a nonce who’s abusing his daughter. This upsets a nurse who suffered child abuse in her past, so she holds his breathing tube and threatens to kill the guy. The guy is suffocating and withering in pain and she’s just sadistically talking about how easy it would be to kill him. The nurse seemingly gets away with it too, and walks away all smug and giddy.
Of course, that show is portraying a steelman argument for medical malpractice, as pedophiles are universally despised and ostracized. She’s portrayed as the hero for saving the guy’s daughter. But how many people working in the medical industry are taking that lesson to heart and applying it elsewhere? What if instead of a nonce it’s a “racist”, or christian, or a conservative, or even someone who they personally dislike? With one third of hospital deaths being down to medical malpractice according to some studies, and there regularly being serial killer nurses and orderlies with hero syndrome, I speculate it is significant.
I absolutely do support clearing these people out of positions of influence, especially in the medical industry. If a nurse or doctor lacks impulse control and are so politically brainwormed that they cheer on an assassination of a moderate conservative, they’d absolutely be at risk of hurting you if you came in with four broken limbs and a breathing tube.
Absolutely. Every decade or so, a sadistic psychopath working in a hospital is unmasked for killing patients. Given the opportunities to kill people without detection, the medical profession needs to be vigilant for the slightest signs of psychopathy. Expressing approval of political violence should completely disqualify someone for working around vulnerable people.
That was a good show. When I heard about Kirk getting shot, I didn’t actually see it, only read about it so I thought when they said he was in critical condition, he had a chance, but I understand if you had actually witnessed the footage, it was clear he was dead right away. I knew right away it was gonna be something to do with trans ideology for some reason. It seems like that’s where all the malignant energy is right now. All these acts of violence and violent syndicates have do with trans ideology lately. Race has fallen into the background for the time being. If I had to guess, I would think that race politics is being dialed down due to Gaza. Too much potential for cross pollination there.
Thanks!
Just listening now. Thanks for the shoutout Greg, glad you enjoyed my comment.
I agree that Matt Walsh is the most logical choice to fill Kirk’s shoes, though I’m pretty sure he won’t have nearly much appeal to Zoomers because of the age difference. Perhaps a new Right-wing Gen-Z influencer will come out of nowhere and pick up where Kirk left off, but I can’t think of any candidates off the top of my head.
Gaddius’ point about white parents going on TV to call for forgiveness after they’ve lost a child to a black thug is interesting. We always wonder why people would do such a thing. Is it the slave morality of Christianity? Or are they being pressured by the powers that be? It turns out we know the answer now. It’s the powers that be. Academic Agent released an excellent video a couple of months ago on an organization within the US government that almost no one has ever heard of. The video is called: “Did a SECRET Agency Really Control the Civil Rights Revolution?”
The secret agency he’s referring to is called the Community Relations Service (CRS). They’re filled Jewish instigators who are behind almost all of the anti-white trends we’ve seen since at least the 1960s, including pressuring grieving white parents to literally memorize a regime-approved script.
Greg, I highly recommend you watch the vide, if you haven’t already. It’s incredible how deep the rabbit hole within the American deep state goes. It would be great if you could perhaps invite AA on to talk about it. Just a suggestion. Or talk about it with other panelists.
I completely agree with Greg’s comments about Trantifa.
One option for hitting back / shutting them down would be to go after those who illegally sell “DIY HRT.”
There is an entire subculture around DIY hormones, lots of Reddit posts about this, and many trans operated eCommerce businesses are involved in illegally selling hormones to minors. Their websites are freely visible on the normie web & easy to find. Testosterone is also already a Schedule III substance, which means that illegally selling it is a felony and can result in up to 5 years in prison. The punishment for estradiol trafficking isn’t as severe, legally, but many DIY sellers carry both E and T.
Many of the worst trans activists are involved in this trade and arresting them & shutting down their businesses would be a huge blow to the organized trans (and Antifa, which they often overlap with) movement.
Thanks. This is a useful comment. Can you write a brief article on it? I would like to promote awareness of this issue. Thanks!
Thank you, I started working on the article tonight!
I’ve already put together a small list of laws being broken (aside from those regarding controlled substances). A few other ones include Violations of US Customs and Border Policies, Violation of 18 U.S. Code § 1952 by shipping illegal goods across state lines, and violation of state department of health laws regarding the unlicensed practice of medicine. It would be extremely easy to “throw the book” at the people involved in this.
Re Trantifa. This will warm the cockles of your heart. (Er…just joking. I read the whole thing and then straightaway took to my bed.)
https://www.unz.com/article/some-truth-about-trans/
The author makes a distinction between true transsexuals and insincere, fake ones, as far as I can tell. We are supposed to be always nice to the former lot.
Excerpt:
Do not buy into the hateful bullshit of powerful ignoramuses who are using the staged killing of some jerk loudmouth that most people never even heard of a couple weeks ago to fuck around with the life, liberty, and happiness of transgender people!
Thank you for sharing, I scanned the article and it was the type of trans-apologist screed that I expected. I don’t want to hit you (and other potential readers) with a wall of text, but I would like to offer my thoughts.
The first thing that caught my attention was that the section on transgender subtypes made zero mention of autogynephilia / AGP… even though it is impossible to understand the trans movement without discussing that issue. AGP males dominate the organized trans movement and are the primary originators of modern trans ideology.
They also tend to be unusually narcissistic and prone to purposefully obfuscating reality. This is an old thread about their behavior that I would encourage everyone to read:
https://www.reddit.com/r/detrans/s/18ed2PGVbx
I do not hate autogynephiles, but I also feel zero need to hold back on them.
The ‘Truetrans vs fake trans’ argument is also problematic because it is used as a way to deligitimize detransitioners and dismiss data which undermines the trans narrative. There are countless detransitioners and desisters who absolutely did feel dysphoric at one point… and the trans lobby hand waves away their stories by pulling the “only a fake trans would detransition, therefore detransitioners were never trans to begin with” card.
The article also misrepresents the scientific data on transgenderism and brain structure. The most recent evidence, in my opinion, supports Blanchard’s hypothesis that trans women tend to fall into two groups: autogynephiles and homosexuals, neither of which have “female brains.” The study that has been used to justify the “female brain narrative” (Brain Sex in Transgender Women by Kurth et. al) actually shows that transwomen’s brains are more similar to men than to women. Those who do have more feminine than average brains are likely those who, before transitioning, identified as gay men.
(And, for the record, there are several well known detransitioners who started off as gay teens > became trans > later came to regret the things they did to their bodies).
Now… for the article’s comment on transmen having male leaning white matter brain structures… it’s well known that women with autism often have a “masculine” white matter layout:
https://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-autism-gender-20130809-story.html
It’s also well known that many transmen / non-binaries / etc. have autism & I think it’s important to avoid mixing up correlation with causation. There are many female detransitioners who only begin to feel better about their bodies after receiving therapy/ help for their autism.
Having autism, depression, trauma, masculine interests, or feeling like you think like a guy (or being told that by 14 year old classmates) doesn’t mean you have to look for happiness in a syringe or hate your own womanhood.
Finally, the author of the article insinuates that Trump assassinated Kirk (a man who was a key ally, supporter, and had never had a major feud with him) to oppress transgenders:
“Under such conditions, it seems highly likely to me that Trump carried out the theatrical televised assassination of a popular conservative personality to enrage the ‘right’ and launch more vigorous persecutions and silencing of the ‘left.’ Under such a scenario, Kirk served as the sacrificial lamb and Tyler Robinson is serving as the patsy, like Oswald.
“Wait and observe the next fascistic moves of Trump against his political ‘enemies.’ Who is going to stop him?”
That is extremely illogical and, to be blunt, do we really need people like that on “our” side? The Antifa x Trans Alliance openly hates Right Wingers, White Advocates, and detransitioners. We don’t want them to be enabled if the Democrats get back into office.
Need to stop typing on my phone. The line “to oppress transgenders:” was meant to be “oppress transgenders and other Left wing opponents.”
Either way, there is zero reason to think Trump assassinated Kirk.
Edit: Slight correction, since Trump was elected a lot of the websites for DIY HRT are a bit sneakier, but there’s still a ton of Reddit users who are promoting it (and appear to be selling / acting as points of contact). Would be very easy to apply existing laws and punish them.
My two cents on this article can be seen here.
I don’t know if my article was linked correctly in my previous comment. In case it wasn’t, here’s the link:
https://westsdarkesthour.com/2025/09/19/men/
This was a very good episode.
I would like to share the Iryna Zarutska video and need a decent copy, but as soon as things like this happen the Internet gets scrubbed and then all you can find is talking heads talking about the video.
If anybody still has a working URL, I would appreciate it.
I would prefer the highest resolution, cleanest feed available, not something with a TMZ watermark or whatever.
To me the most disturbing aspect is when Iryna looks up in disbelief to identify her attacker on the Light Rail and soon crumples into unconsciousness on the floor in a silent whimper, with the other Negro passengers either oblivious or uninterested.
Secondly, if anybody has the same for the actual Charlie Kirk shooting, I would appeciate it.
Idiots are already saying that there are no entrance or exit bullet holes on his neck, and therefore there was a second Mossad shooter or some other dumbassery.
Digital videos available Online tend to be low resolution and low frame-rate, which means that there are severe rendering artifacts and so on. Apparently, Mr. Kirk was also wearing a black lavalier microphone to record his own content, and this looks like a weird bug or something in some shots.
A thirty-aught-six bullet fired at this medium (to short) range at about 128 meters (420 feet) would have passed clean through his neck (with immense damage) and the bullet was probably recovered on the site by investigators.
To briefly answer the question about whether this was a “professional” hit, no way. You typically sight a high-powerted hunting rifle or AR-15 style rifle in at about 100 meters (maybe a little more). The longest JFK shot was 81 meters (266 feet).
The maximum-effective-range of an M-16 rifle is 460 meters. For a WWI bolt-action main-battle-rifle with iron sights like a 1903 Springfield or a Mauser 98, maybe 600 meters.
Soldiers in Basic Training in the Army ─ many of them who have never fired a gun before ─ have to hit targets from 50 to 300 meters on the rifle range, and my vision is no better than Mike Enoch’s and I routinely got head shots at 300 M.
If you use a scope, you don’t want to disassemble it after sighting it in, which apparently Lee Harvey Oswald did ─ and also Tyler Robinson did with a screwdriver found on the roof having his DNA on it.
So Robinson could have in any case easily aimed at center of mass or the head and missed for whatever reason and hit Charlie fatally in the neck. A .30-06 hit to his jugular like this would have been almost instantly fatal.
Charlie Kirk wasn’t the President and there would not have been a lot of security there, and no Secret Service of course, so people are hugely overthinking this. Plenty of surveillance video has already been released showing Robinson’s ingress and egress. Kudos for the transparency from law enforcement.
I expected that the shooter would be AntiFa and related to Troonery somehow and this was correct. They have been calling Charlie Kirk “White Nationalist” for some time, and that is the most important point, especially now.
I think that AntiFa needs to be cracked down upon hard, and that real White Nationalists eventually need to reclaim the spaces for open campus debate. This can be a great opportunity.
In the meantime, even Ann Coulter says that no way will she speak or attend events on campuses. They are not safe spaces and we need to hold Trump and the System to account for this.
Normally I would not applaud entertainers getting cancel-cultured for their edgy Yiddish shtick, but PoS Jimmy Kimmel was echoing the mainstream media disinformation campaign that MAGA was somehow responsible for the Kirk shooting. Not funny. Crocodile tears, Kimmel.
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They’re not perfect, but if you use Telegram you can see and download the requested videos here:
https://t.me/Jack_Posobiec/60773
https://t.me/retardsoftiktok/24744
https://t.me/retardsoftiktok/24750
And you should download them if you want to preserve them, as they get deleted eventually.
Thanks. I was able to view the first one but not download it because Telegram won’t let me log on for some reason. It won’t even send an authentication code to my phone.
The other links would not view in my platform at all without logging onto Telegram either.
Basically, so many sources are now claiming that the Charlie Kirk bullet did not penetrate through his neck ─ citing unamed Utah ER doctors, etc. ─ so we will have to wait for the police report on the recovery of the bullet and the autopsy report. All of this might be years until the trial is over with ─ unless they plea bargain the Death Penalty away (which is my guess as to what will ultimately happen after the tent revival memorial service in Arizona on 9/21/2025 where the widow called for Christian forgiveness).
Trump did renew a call for vengeance against the Left, but my guess is that other than against his critics, he will lose sight of the ball soon enough.
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When I first saw the headline ‘Charlie Kirk Shot at Utah University,’ I was only slightly shocked. I recalled how they tried to burn down UCLA some years back to prevent Ann Coulter from talking and use similar means to block mainstream conservative personalities like Shapiro. Of course, you immediately paint a picture in your mind, and I imagined it must have happened indoors in an auditorium or lecture hall or something, and Kirk had been ambushed/stage rushed. I didn’t really “feel” anything, as I wasn’t a fan of the guy. But then I saw the wide still image of the crowd and my jaw hit the floor. I watched the video one time, and if that had been in a movie, I might have gotten up and walked out for insulting my intelligence. Again, I didn’t really feel anything (whereas the Iryna video affected me very deeply) but immediately grasped the massive implications of it. As for Erika’s speech, I’ve never been comfortable with these very public expressions of religiosity, but I thought the last part about ‘this widow’s voice echoing like a battle cry’ was very good.
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