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Counter-Currents Radio Podcast No. 628 – Part 2
Q & A with Greg Johnson
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This is the second part of the latest edition of Counter-Currents Radio. It is now available to download or listen to online.
Topics include:
1:10 – Question on the hero status of Johnathan Bowden
3:30 – The televised confrontation between Trump, Vance, and Zelensky
8:27 – The release of the Epstein files
20:30 – Stupidity on the right
27:07 – Greg’s takes on relations between the US, Europe, and Russia
40:09 – Comment on virtue signalling and dumb memes on the right
50:29 – Greg’s thoughts on Jacques Ellul’s Propaganda
54:00 – The streak of paranoia in white nationalism
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Q: Where’s Jim G??
Things have been good enough recently that his “Worst Week Yet” column is not applicable, so he’s out of a job at least until the midterms, probably…
I hope Jim Goad returns soon. He’s a good journalist. I always learn many new things from his writings. I recall his Feb 22, 2024 column on PNG – Papua New Guinea – 50,000 Years of Failure. It was both funny and horrifying.
Wish I knew, but on another note, is there a part 1 to this podcast?
You’ve probably found it already for yourself, but just in case, here is the link:
https://counter-currents.com/2025/03/counter-currents-radio-podcast-no-628-dutton-on-bowden/
Both are Episode No. 628, just different descriptive headings.
I, too, miss Jim Goad. I’d say we need not worry about his job security here at Counter-Currents. There is still plenty of material to continue the worst week yet series!
Cheers. Thank you very much.
I am going to listen to this podcast. The Epstein files? Did they really release them all? Or some of them, at least?
I hate the bullying of Zelensky by Trump and Vance. That is no way to treat a foreign visitor. Zelensky held his own, however. Ukraine is fighting for its life. If Ukraine owes us money, we should cancel all their debts, unconditionally. Trump’s demands for mineral concessions are extortionate and un-American. We should give them weapons for defense, plus satellite intel, while also pushing for a negotiated peace. The sooner this war ends, the better.
Who is this Jacques Ellul? Wikipedia has a long article, giving his dates as 1912 to 1994. I shall read more.
From what I’ve heard, the Epstein files will be redacted, so we won’t get any names. I predict that lots of pages will be mostly or completely blacked out. One might ask then – but what’s the point?
As for Volodya, he already got lots of weapons, probably satellite intel, and sixty billion smackeroos too. Speaking of a negotiated peace, the thing that got Trump irate with him was that he refused an offer of a ceasefire. Trump and Vance gave him a stern reminder that he needs to be working toward establishing peace, and that American support is the only reason his country is still hanging in there. Trump doesn’t need their minerals, since he called off the deal.
I appreciate Dr. Johnson for pointing out the significance of the “social capital gap” between Jews and Whites. I think this is an often underappreciated factor in understanding the corresponding disparities in financial and political capital of which most people are already aware. I don’t deny that things like centuries of eugenic marriage practices, ethnocentrism, and even metaphysical forces also play a role in Jews’ current preeminence, but their adeptness at networking is a huge factor.
I think many people in the broader Alternative/”Dissident” Right (or whatever you want to call it) could benefit greatly from studying social network theory, as it provides a good counterbalance to some of the rigid elite theory paradigms in our spaces (which Dr. Johnson rightly critiques). As rightists, we often tend towards hierarchical understandings of social organization, which is fine, but it’s easy for this to turn into a myopic focus on top-down social processes to the exclusion of relational ones. By gaining the ability to observe how power moves through networks, rather than just top-down hierarchies, one gets a more realistic picture of the current political landscape and sees a clearer path forward for the movement.
Social network theory teaches us that the most powerful “nodes” in a social network are not necessarily the ones with strong connections within a single, highly-connected network, but rather, the ones with many connections to separate, smaller networks. Being “well-connected” means being the guy who knows (and/or is owed favors by) lots of useful/important people or groups that don’t know each other directly and being in a position to facilitate activity between them. In a broad sense, this is what any “power broker” (Epstein included) does. The utility of blackmail to such people is in its ability to secure favors that can be used to strengthen or expand social capital (which is the primary asset of power brokers).
Fortunately, this means that we have more paths to power other than just trying to take over some existing hierarchy/institution through subtle entryism or hostile takeover. You can accumulate substantial relational power through networking aggressively and making yourself a strong social “node” that can leverage networks of people. Historically, this is generally how ideas and social movements have moved from the fringes into the mainstream and how groups like the Freemasons were able to exert so much intellectual and political influence. As politically obnoxious and racially treacherous as he may be, Niall Ferguson has admittedly done a good job covering some of these topics in his book The Square and the Tower. The works of well-known social network theorists like Mark Granovetter and Ronald Burt are also recommended.
This is an excellent comment. I agree completely. I have long argued for understanding the movement as a network that can contain hierarchical nodes/organizations. But nothing is more damaging than people who try to turn the whole movement into an organization. Richard Spencer tried to do that with the Alt Right Corporation. And NJP clearly wanted to do that as well. It is dumb, because it ends up making enemies of people you could otherwise work with.
Greg Johnson: March 6, 2025… I have long argued for understanding the movement as a network that can contain hierarchical nodes/organizations. But nothing is more damaging than people who try to turn the whole movement into an organization. Richard Spencer tried to do that with the Alt Right Corporation. And NJP clearly wanted to do that as well. It is dumb, because it ends up making enemies of people you could otherwise work with.
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I’m at a disadvantage here because I haven’t listened to the podcast, so I did turn it on and skip the the section on “Stupidity on the right” to understand why you say “nothing is more damaging than people who try to turn the whole movement into an organization.’ I didn’t learn much from that listen.
As National Alliance Chairman I speak for the small racial nationalist vanguard, founded by William Pierce 50 years ago and is still around, for good reason, not some group that is on the so-called “right” that wants to turn the greater big tent, so-called “movement” into an organization like NA. That cannot be done. To do that would be stupid because then the Alliance would no longer be the vanguard — the necessary, uncompromising vanguard that can eventually lead the White resistance.
Pierce never desired to make enemies of those in the greater White “movement” but nor would he compromise his fundanental ideology to “unite the right.” That would be stupid of him. He explained why that would never work, here, 49 years ago, and his reasons are still valid: Why Don’t All the Pro-White Organizations Unite? | National Vanguard
Yesterday I posted the following from Wolf Stoner in 2020 under Travis LeBlanc’s reminiscences on C-C of another failed group, the Proud Boys. https://counter-currents.com/2025/03/proud-boys-the-early-days/
Wolf had just discovered Dr. Pierce and Cosmotheism the previous year. It’s doubtful that very many at C-C will agree with him, but he soon joined our Alliance after writing this and has been promoting NA in Russia and in Eutope ever since.
Wolf is a very smart, experienced vanguardist of the top rank. Richard Spencer, for all his talent, and his alt-right are not and never were — nor was the National Justice Party that apparently thought the “movement” could successfully participate in the failed, now anti-White mass democracy electoral system. Neither of those groups had a position on Christianity for fear of offending Christians. Wolf is remarking here about David Duke, who Travis sees as a leader (though a “relic of a previous era”), who as a Christian and a politician will never become a vanguardist, though for decades David has had the highest regard for Dr. Pierce and for the Nature-based, reality-grounded Cosmotheist spiritual foundation of Pierce’s National Alliance vanguard.
…[N]ow is not the time for public politics and stump speeches. The system will not give us any opportunity to participate in the open political activity, let alone standing in elections. This type of political struggle is the past; now we have different reality. We should shift the center of gravity into spiritual-religious level and abandon mostly useless public politics. But the first step in the field of religious war is to discard Christianity completely and without reservations. We cannot delay this question any longer… Christianity is in its death throes, which is clearly seen by catastrophic fall in popularity and moral collapse among clergy. They have less than a tenth part of the support they had 80 years ago. No one would stand in earnest in defense of this trash. The end of Christianity is imminent. And in its place the White Race should adopt the real racial religion. In this regard Dr Pierce’s far-sight is amazing. He struck the right path ahead of all others. He had shown the only viable direction for the global White movement. Every white nationalist should acknowledge the undeniable fact that Dr Pierce essentially is a founding father of our movement. All other branches of the movement are dead ends, tied by Christian trash and local trifling issues (like Ukrainian-Russian hostilities). Dr Duke pretends to be this leader but he is not; he lacks the depth of personality and profound far-sightedness that Dr Pierce had… after reading Dr Pierce’s books, listening to tens of his speeches, I have come to this conclusion. His message is the most powerful one, because is based on pure logic and an honest drive for truth. Dr Pierce didn’t need sophistry like so many politicians use; he didn’t intend to compete for public office, so, he was free to say what he really thought and not what potential voters wanted. Dr Pierce is a moral beacon and template for all future generations of our fighters. David Duke is a good man, but he is of different category. He does his job well, but his Christianity and susceptibility to influence of public opinion disqualify him from being a supreme spiritual leader of White Race. He has chosen to seek public approval instead of going along the hard path of pure truth…
I didn’t post the following under Travis’s essay. It’s an anecdotal comment I’d made about David under part two of his interview of me back in 2020, and is relevant here:
I tried to make the point you make here about politicians having to please everybody, and that David, like Trump, is essentially a politician. Was it just me or does David always interrupt and talk over those he invites on his show? I hardly got a word in edgewise.
His base is certainly White, but also Christian, so he’s stuck with having to please the latter, or at least not offend them.
He told me privately years ago [in 2000] that his next book was going to have a spiritual basis. I said, “Surely it won’t be Christian,” since I had already ditched that baggage and had become a strong Cosmotheist-thinker. He said, “No, it will be more like Dr. Pierce’s.” But then he went outside and led those gathered in a prayer. He never wrote that book. He couldn’t. Yet he had the courage to write this widely-banned book and put the Mogan David on its cover. [JEWISH SUPREMACISM | David Duke Online]
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Very insightful comment and an area that Counter-Currents should cover more.
That was sublime! Cc is on fire this week—“altright bloggers on fire🎶🎶” So much good content.
I think Qanon is sort of like gj’s conspiracy theory of conspiracy theories, like the thing with the black guy from the 80s. The point is to draw attention away from the legitimate questions about pizzagate and the epstein affair, and get serious people to recoil from and roll their eyes at any such talk of elites and abnormal sex rings. Mainstream people will immediately equate talk of epstein with undergrown tunnels and satanic rituals and the rest of Qtardery.
Im partial to conspiracy theorizing, but I keep it at the theorizing level. All the theories I find plausible to seem to end up revolving around one thing though…
Belief in the JQ entails belief that some people have talked their way to power and if that’s how it works we shouldn’t give up.
There is no reward for accepting that we can’t win, turning our faces to the wall and resigning ourselves to the great replacement.
Betting that it is possible for us to talk our way into power and out of the antiwhite death-trap of forced race replacement is a good bet because we can win our lasting survival as a race if we are right and we lose nothing if we are wrong.
One question I would’ve like to ask Greg is around Mark Collett’s negativity towards remigration efforts from the likes of Martin Sellner.
https://rumble.com/v6ngem3-remigration-is-not-inevitable.html?e9s=src_v1_ucp
I support Mark’s work but was pretty surprised to hear what he was saying in this video. Would be cool if you could talk to him on a podcast to discuss.
Personally I don’t think it is an either or situation. It’s good that some people work mainly on community building projects and activism, and its also good that some people work more on the political activism (entryism of center right parties and setting up new parties where appropriate).
The black Republican in Nebraska was Larry King who ran the Franklin Credit Union in North Omaha. He was accused of procuring teens from nearby Boys Town for sexual purposes of favors to local and national leaders, politicians and business types. Former state senator John De Camp wrote the infamous Franklin Cover-Up that I must admit is full of some rather questionable stuff about SRA, but the overall story about Larry King and his associates is pretty damning.
As a lifelong resident of Omaha, I can sadly say that black people are not that rare in Nebraska, at least not in Omaha and Lincoln.
Vance made a comment about how the time has come for diplomacy.
Zelensky then responded by accusing Russia of repeated treachery and essentially saying that diplomacy with Russia is impossible in an attempt to humiliate Vance in front of the press and make him look uninformed/foolish.
Whatever happened after that was fair game as far as I’m concerned. Trump aggressively stated the obvious that Zelensky must attempt diplomacy because frankly he has no other options. To say that Trump looked worse is just delusional. I think Trump took it personally and became genuinely angry because the unstated implication of Zelensky’s words is that, if diplomacy is not possible, then the only path forward is continued escalation until the US itself is drawn in. And that certainly is not Zelensky’s decision to make which is why Trump put him in his place.
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