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Interesting times, methinks. We have Mr. Trump, per the Washington Examiner, vowing to rid the country of illegal immigrants by rounding them up, storing them in concentration camps, and deporting them at “millions per year.”
Saith Mr. Trump to the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) on Saturday:
Under my leadership, we will use all necessary state, local, federal, and military resources to carry out the largest domestic deportation operation in American history. We will pick them up, and we will throw them out of our country, and there will be no questions asked . . . The first reconciliation bill I will sign will be for a massive increase in border patrol and a colossal increase in the number of ICE [Immigration and Customs Enforcement] deportation officers . . . Other countries are emptying out their prisons, insane asylums, and mental institutions and sending all of their problems right into their dumping ground.
Wow. Can he do it, one wonders, or is he just grandstanding for his base? Will he try? Quite possibly, I will guess. Last time, he promised to build The Wall, gave it a truly heroic effort, and built some of it. How will this new promise go? How will it play with the electorate?
A preliminary question is how many illegals are in America? Counting them is difficult, since they usually have no desire to be counted. Various statistical approaches exist, none conclusive, and all suspected of political bias. We will here assume a number between 10 and 20 million, probably closer to 15. Deporting “millions a year,” plural, means at least two million a year. If there are even 12 million illegals, this will take six years.
Now, the camps into which millions of illegals would be stuffed. Presumably the camps would be built on federal land — most likely out west, but I am only guessing. Could they be gotten through Congress and the Supreme Court? It doesn’t seem likely, but maybe. They would be huge, expensive both to build and to operate, and require water, sewerage, and food. Physically possible, certainly, but perhaps a hard political sell.
And a public relations nightmare. The media would focus night after night on the lack of schools, the primitive conditions, etc. There would be comparisons with the Holocaust, despite the lack of resemblance. There would be strident allusions to the Japanese-Americans interned during World War II. I don’t see how they could be forced through, but maybe.
Is Mr. Trump overguessing the popularity of massive deportations? Perhaps not. A lot of support exists for closing the border and, at least among those who haven’t thought carefully, for ejecting illegals. The angrier of Mr. Trump’s supporters will favor concentration camps. But would the moderately supportive? Closing the border is one thing, putting millions in camps another.
Worth pondering is how Congress would respond to Mr. Trump’s desired policies. We do not live in 1954. The at least 60 million Latinos wield votes, and Congress knows it. While many Latinos favor closing the border to avoid competition and political heat, deporting 10 or 15 million might not fly with them. Blacks? They are not fond of Latinos, but might think, “Latinos today and tomorrow, us.” This doesn’t make a lot of sense, but in racial politics, making sense seldom matters.
Again, one certainty as sure as gravitation: The effort would be a media disaster. Nightly, over and over, non-stop, we would see the second-grade children of illegals dragged crying from school to be trucked off to the camps. They would be encouraged to sob theatrically for the cameras, though little encouragement would be needed. They would mostly be American citizens, unless Mr. Trump managed to end birthright citizenship retroactively. This would not be likely. There would be cases of the Mexican man married to the white wife, neither she nor the children being Mexican citizens. It would be a bloodbath by media opposed to Mr. Trump, the only kind of media there are.
To where will the two million a year be deported? Since they are almost all Latin Americans, we might presume that Latin America would get them. A fair prediction, though, is that no country of the region would want them. How do you force, say, Peru to accept large numbers of deportees who are not its citizens? The available approaches are economic sanctions or military force. Either might work, for all I know.
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Of course, the most likely receptacle is Mexico. Deportees, Mexican citizens or not, could be forced across the border at bayonet point. Mexico would have no hope of resisting either the American military or economic pressure.
Mexico also has no capacity to absorb millions of refugees. The result would be a humanitarian disaster of starvation and shelterlessness. This would not distress Mr. Trump, or he would not propose it. The same is true of Mr. Trump’s more ardent supporters. How the American public at large would react to the nightly network video of children crying for food is an open question. My guess, perhaps wrong, is that most Americans would not stand for it.
Among dedicated anti-immigrants, deporting the DACAns [Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals] is a high priority. These are Latinos, mostly Mexican, who crossed into America illegally as children. They are now legal, being in the country with the knowledge and permission of the federal government. Mr. Trump wants to throw them out as criminals, though this embodies the curious notion that a baby in its mother’s arms can commit a federal crime. Ejecting them would be easier than in the case of illegals, since they tend to have jobs and families and thus are easily found. Deporting them might work, though their employers and perhaps neighbors might object.
Rounding up two million illegals a year would make obvious an overarching problem with the whole program, which is that a great many Americans don’t want illegals deported. For example, many businesses, including hotels, restaurants, agriculture, and construction, depend on immigrant labor, much of it illegal. The owners of a construction firm out West once put it to me succinctly: Blacks are terrible workers, don’t show up, have bad attitudes, and do poor work. Whites don’t want the work at rates the company could pay. Illegal Mexicans show up, do good work, and appreciate the employment. The company, the owners told me, could not survive without them. Citrus growers in Florida tell the same story.
All of these businessmen, note, are Republicans.
The mechanics of the rounding-up seem problematic. The most obvious way, I suppose, would be to have the police surround an enterprise, such as a slaughterhouse, knowing that 90% of its workers are illegals, and carry them off in handcuffs. The slaughterhouse would then be in effect closed, losing lots of money, and the supermarkets would not be getting meat. Repeated over many industries, this would create a lot of moneyed blowback, mostly by Republicans.
Worth noting is that laws exist against hiring illegals, and they carry heavy penalties. They simply are not enforced. A meat-packing company with several slaughterhouses might well be RICO [Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act] bait. Nobody says anything.
Another approach, I suppose, would be for the Army or vastly expanded police forces to walk through Latino neighborhoods in the cities, grabbing people and demanding birth certificates or naturalization papers. People seldom carry these. Or cops could knock on doors and demand to search the house, ignoring the Constitution. Use of the military, threatened by Mr. Trump, is unconstitutional.
To judge by history, many citizens, both Latino and white, would refuse to cooperate with the cops, or soldiers. In many regions, relations between immigrants and locals are not bad. The warehouse operator for whom illegal Pedro has worked for 12 years, and who now runs the night shift, is unlikely to hand over a valued employee because some meddlesome bureaucrat demands it. Think California, which has more Latinos than whites, generally getting along well. The existence of “sanctuary” states and cities that protect illegals from deportation is another indicator of the non-universal support for ejection.
While Mr. Trump might say that there is nothing racial in his policies, that he is just enforcing the existing laws, it would instantly be seen as racial. Biden has done much to engender racial hostility between white and black, and Mr. Trump would create similar enmity between Latinos and whites. How this will promote domestic tranquility is not clear.
I think the consequence of attempting to deport illegals on such a scale would be to throw the country into the worst crisis it has ever experienced without deporting much of anybody. Of course, I have noticed that what I think does not control the workings of the universe, doubtless a cosmic oversight of some sort. Still, it might be a good idea to think things through before undertaking them. Granted, this would be a break with tradition, but a little adventure spices up life.
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So what’s your suggestion then?
From your last post it sounds like you’ve been living in Mexico.
It’s just talk, no different than Democrats promising to pay off everyone’s college loan when they know darn well that the money isn’t there. If Trump really wanted to deport the illegals, he had four years to do so.
That said, there are ways to carry out peaceful and humane population transfer. We’ll need to have the guts to do so as well. The alternative is losing our own countries to rapidly-breeding border jumpers.
“We will here assume a number between 10 and 20 million”
The largest “population transfer” ever – during the Partition of India in 1947 – involved around 20 million people. In that case, they were swapping Hindus for Muslims (dunno what the going rate was).
Are there any people south of the border you would be happy to take in exchange for your illegals? There are 40 million Argentinians . . .
It could be the opposite. The media could decide not to report on the camps at all, especially if conditions were bad there, because those reports would reach those waiting in Latin America to cross into the U.S. illegally, “border closed” or not, and scare many of them into not coming and staying home. The number one priority of theirs is to have as many nonwhites enter the country as possible. Anything that would scare nonwhites into not entering would not be reported.
Whites are a defeated people
Things certainly look like that, but there is always hope (no, definitely not Mr. Trump)! Nevertheless, we should perform our duties regardless of the outcome.
There are 3 major problems with whites…
1) Will:
Most don’t admit what the actual problems are, nor do they have the will to do or call for the things that would actual stop/reverse our problems.
2) Mechanisms:
In order to force things to happen, you need power in your country. Whites have handed nearly 100% of power and control to non-whites in the USA. Even if 75% of whites woke up tomorrow, they don’t have control of the government that they’d need to implement what it would take to save us and the country. We don’t have the power to deport people, repatriate people, stop immigration (or restrict it to whites only) to ban non-whites from holding offices, voting, or running the economy, etc. We also have courts and occupational forces (Jews, Israel, etc) that are against us in our own countries.
3) Attrition:
Because whites have had so few children in the last 40 years and whites women are mixing with black men and having their babies at such high rates, our median age is now at 41. We don’t have enough women of childbearing age to bounce back our existence with 1 or 2 child families. We’d have to all but force younger white women to have 5+ children, we’d have to call for some kind of at least temporary restriction on miscegenation, and we’d have to bring in some younger whites from other countries to have any hope of turning this one around.
We are in an absolutely deep, deep crisis — to put it lightly. There’s no question that Trump is not our savior, but whites are still no more awake today than they were in 1985. From the Rodney King riots, to 9/11, to Obama, to the 2020 Black Lives Matter riots, whites are still spineless cowards and asleep. If none of those things woke up whites by now, I don’t know if anything truly will — or it will be far too late when they actually do
The claim that whites are no more awake today than in 1985 is so breathtakingly false that I frankly question your sanity. I suggest you take a break from commenting here. This is not a place for self-indulgent doomers.
Trump promised all of this and more back in 2016. Trump had all 3 chambers of the government for two entire years. They could have repealed the Hart-Celler Act, deported every illegal, passed a long moratorium on legal immigration (or at least limited it to a small number of white Europeans only) denied any path to citizenship for current Visa holders, ended the H1-B program, etc. The most wasted political opportunity in USA history.
Instead we got a fraud who caved into the Jews, pandered to blacks, Asians, and homosexuals, and who curled up into a ball and acted like a big baby anytime the Democrats called him a racist — or when AOC, the Squad, or Black Lives Matter called him an Islamophobe or a white supremacist.
I knew Trump was an absolute phony when almost every major city was up in flames during the 2020 summer riots, and he did absolutely nothing. He is not one of us, and he has nothing whatsoever to over white nationalists.
I highly doubt that Trump will get back in anyway, but even if so, nothing will be any different than the first term. The very second someone calls him a racist, he’ll call to legalize all the DACA kids and he’ll put nothing but blacks and Jews in his cabinet. Need I even mention he’ll probably choose someone gritty like Nikki Haley to be his running mate?
Don’t fall for Trump’s lies and cajoling. We have more than enough evidence regarding who he really is
I agree with much of this, but I’m not quite as blackpilled. What Trump’s pronouncements do is tilt the gameboard so that any furore raised against them simply helps him and hurts the opposition. I’ve noticed this phenomenon recently in Left-liberal commentary. Just today I noticed that The Atlantic is running a series of short columns about the coming Trump Schrecklichkeit. These horror tales are really lip-smackin’ good and you can tell the authors are having a ball, secretly wishing and hoping to have The Donald back, so we can party like it’s 2020 and then some. The accelerationist Left really does want serious civil strife. Any anti-Trump candidate who gives voice to these fears will be telegraphing that subtext along with their rote sloganeering about how terrible Trump Redux will be.
I think some of these columns are generally accessible, as part of an end-of-year subscription drive. If not, I’ll post some archived instances.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2024/01/trump-veterans-day-speech-vermin-reelection/676137/
In 2008 it was ridiculous to witness hordes of left-leaning people project their emotional utopian fantasies onto Obama. Sadly, I had to watch it again in 2016, with gullible right-leaning people taken in by the dream of a Trump as a savior. It was especially embarrassing that some of my fellow males saw him a some kind of father figure.
All you had to do was scratch the surface, take a few brief moments to look at his past, and you’d see that Trump is a spoiled daddy’s boy, attention whore, serial philanderer, social media addict, poseur, conman, etc. Is this guy worthy of being a leader? Nope!
And anyways, why would ANYONE from the south or the Midwest put their trust in a rich New Yorker? Rich New Yorkers are SCUM—by default.
One of the most amusing Trump failures was that campaigned and won on “The Wall”, but after the election he completely forgot about it for almost 2 years. It was only when Ann Coulter called him out in December 2018 with her “Gutless President In Wall-less Country” column that he suddenly freaked out and engineered the government shutdown, a retarded hostage attempt to get funds for his Wall. As expected, didn’t work!
If Bill Clinton was America’s First Black President, and Obama was America’s First Gay President, then Donald Trump is certainly—without a doubt!—America’s First Jewish President.
A very sobering article that takes into account the raw practicality and subtle but severe political nuances.
I think the best strategy would be to first deport criminals. The media can try all the artifice it wants to defend the people being deported while conservative media and politicians can point out that these are criminals. It will also have the subconscious effect on white people to notice all these Latino males of military age being deported. First start out with those who are single. Then after a few months of desensitizing the population to deportating single male criminals there may be more wiggle room for deporting illegal alien criminals with children who are US citizens and the DACAns. Then if that works deport people who’s only crime is entering the US illegally. Birthright citizenship of course complicates things.
It’s a cruel joke who it took a few years for a court to find DACA illegal after creating thousands of facts on the ground.
The thing is, as the article mentioned, Republicans are just as complicit in this as the Democrats with their love of cheap labor. The American birth right has literally been sold for cheap labor.
The media, as the news management racket is called, needs to be removed from the hands that currently control it and placed into hands that do not want Western Civilization destroyed. This cannot be done under our current system, and would require a dictatorship, and a rather harsh one at that.
It has come down to this: Do we want our country overrun and destroyed under democracy, or do we want it preserved and returned to sanity under some sort of autocracy? Of course an autocracy could not be arrived at by voting, it would have to be installed by force, just as it would have to rule by force. A properly run autocracy could have the illegal aliens back in their home countries in a few months, and others afraid to show up here.
Democracy contains the seeds of its own destruction and those seeds have now sprouted and spread their leaves. Complete rule by the riff-raff is just around the corner. My late father had very little formal education, but he was a very smart man. “Democracy is where all the damn fools get to vote,” he would huff.
We would never have gotten this invasion if our rulers actually listened to the electorate. The people are more sensible than the elites. They probably always have been.
I need a Pinochet (2020 version)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQ5Ap8GJusQ
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Basically the video shows Chilean ceremonial troops goosestepping in German Stahlhelms, and General Pincohet in a grand uniform giving interviews to the press to the tune of “We Need a [Hero] Pinochet.”
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I guess Americans better just give up then and accept their replacement.
Sounds like a Christian boomer with his Mexican underage girlfriend living in CDMX
Operation Wetback in 1954 deported over 1 million illegals. US population at the time was about 160 million. With double the population nowadays, 2 million a year doesn’t look impossible, especially with the enhanced technology we have today.
The construction company that didn’t want to pay the going rate for labor deserved to go out of business. I’ve noticed here in NY that contractors who hire illegals still charge the going rate, but just pocket more money for themselves. The whole point of illegals is to keep the price of labor down and profits up. Owners can’t be satisfied with one yacht or two mansions. And that’s all they’d have if labor costs rise.
All the construction companies which did pay the going rate already went bust or got bought out.
In a tolerant society where there’s a diversity of appearance and speech you’re never going to be able to effectively prevent non-White scab labour, unless you have an effective racially discriminatory union. We’re a fair way off that being legal and even a clandestine union, like those of the mid nineteenth century, would only work if the Whites were actually essential for the work to be done.
California? “Getting along fine” with there being more beans than Whites here? Absolutely not. It’s an absolute nightmare; they turn everywhere they go into the third-world shit hole they crept out of, bring more crime along with them (if not directly, then through their massive extended families and/or already established gangs), and drive down wages. I don’t know about you, but I’m pretty goddamn sick of seeing billboards in Spanish and schools and businesses that cater to these parasites that absolutely refuse to assimilate. And are they thankful for any of it? Hardly. For every one that actually appreciates being here and makes an attempt to fit into the society they invaded, you have people who have been here decades that can’t speak a word of English with asshole children who are either gangbangers or Latinx studies majors who insist the people that gave them the resources to waste getting such a useless degree owe them even MORE, and that’s when they’re not calling for us to be entirely displaced or occasionally killed.
I can’t believe that this argument about “tHeY dO tHe JoBs WhIteS wOn’T” is even being given space on this site. Any company dependent on illegal foreign labor deserves to go out of business, period. Lot fewer economic repercussions to worry about when there are a few million less people here. And hard-working? Please. Have worked with plenty of them or seen the results of the supposed “hard work”. Rush through the whole job, cut as many corners as you can so you have more time to screw around and drink Pacifico. Is this to imply that Whites won’t work hard enough when properly compensated? The only thing they have going for them is that they’re not black, though they embody most of the same issues to a slightly lesser degree.
Under my leadership, we will use all necessary state, local, federal, and military resources to carry out the largest domestic deportation operation in American history. We will pick them up, and we will throw them out of our country, and there will be no questions asked .
Sorry, but are we really going to fall for this horseshit again?? He didn’t even come close to delivering on what he said he was going to accomplish last time. In fact, almost every objective measurement that someone who calls themselves a dissident rightist would look at got worse under Trump. Hell, even the cultural stuff got worse—the mandated divershtity, the cancelling of anyone who said anything that even veered slightly off the negro-worship plantation, the anti-white political messaging in movies and TV shows, etc. Why on earth would anyone take this self-serving, egomaniacal imbecile seriously again?
Whites are following Trump again, because he’s the only one even “talking” about immigration, deporting people, etc. But that’s just it, it’s all talk.
Virtually all other Republicans either don’t talk about it at all, or they admit out Loud that they don’t care about immigration, and even welcome it — whether legal or not. Therefore, they’re afraid to consider anyone else but Trump. DeSantis had his shot, but he too has revealed his true colors and likely wouldn’t deport people or pass an immigration moratorium. All he cares about is Israel.
Wbile it’s still a year away and a lot can happen, I don’t see a path to Trump even winning the White House again. But even if he somehow does, I don’t believe for one minute that he’s actually going to deport illegals, or build the wall, or restrict legal immigration. He didn’t even protect us from Black Lives Matter riots in 2020. Trump is a joke, and nothing more
The way I see it, he failed to deliver the goods in many ways, along with some other faults. If he got another term, it’s probable he would do the same thing. Still, I’ll let him off the hook for not stopping the BLM riots. He wanted to call in the military, but General Mark Milley blocked that. (If that weren’t bad enough, Milley had a secret discussion with the ChiComs that he would refuse to go to war with them if ordered to do so.) I have a pretty good idea about how the Imperial Japanese would’ve handled a treacherous worm like that, back in the day.
Kemosabe speaks truths from a land of brown faces. Trumps comments were his typical off the cuff bullshitting to keep him in the headlines and drum up the base. No doubt his insider advisors are saying, “He said what? Does he know anything about what the executive powers are?” If he failed to get much done the first term, his hysterical enemies are at least 10 times more outraged and ready to protest the most mundane legislation should he be reelected.
I don’t get why DeSantis is as low as he is in the polls. He has an actual successful track record combating woke policies, minimizing covid shutdowns, having a solid state economy, and sending immigrants to sanctuary cities (New York city is now crying uncle).
People need to stop praying for a lucky long yard hail Mary pass and look for teammates who make successful (albeit measured) progress. The problem did not happen overnight and any fixes demand a gradual change in culture.
Despite all of this, I believe there is no price too high for it to not be worth the effort and sacrifice. It is imperative that we address immigration problem.
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