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Should Whites Turn Their Backs on the US Military?
A Response to Padraig Martin of Identity Dixie
Spencer J. Quinn
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Southern Nationalist and Identity Dixie founder Padraig Martin, who I interviewed last year, recently published an article which hit close to home for me. In “Devastating Military Recruitment in 2024,” Martin outlines a strategy for doing exactly that, making sure that as few white men — especially Southern white men — join the United States military as possible. His aim, as a dedicated irredentist with plans for the future as long as his memory, is to starve the US military of its primary base of support and to “break a degenerate United States in half, such that a Free and Independent Dixie can arise from the ashes of that former empire.”
This is all well and good. Martin’s essay is as well-researched and thorough, as we have come to expect from him. He ably depicts the US military as a “social justice petri dish” in its dedication to suicidal Leftist norms and pervasive anti-whiteism. This has been going on for decades, and was something President Trump did little — or could only do little — to stop. Martin describes the military’s failing ability to compete with universities for recruits, as well as its pathetic attempts to market itself — all to show how out of touch it is these days with ordinary Americans, especially the young men of Generation Z. This strikingly Right-wing demographic, he points out, was responsible for mercilessly mocking the now-infamous military recruitment ad which featured a young woman from San Francisco with two mothers.
The article is of course excellent and worth reading in full, but here is a taste:
If you look at current recruitment content, the Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) push has effectively forced White males out of recruiting content. There is almost no representation of young White males in advertisements any longer. Long gone are the Marine Corps videos of “The Few. The Proud. The Marines.” Rather, Marine Corps recruiting attempted to embrace popular terminology of the political Right by appealing to “nation,” while depicting everyone other than Whites as part of that nation. The messaging from the United States military has been crystal clear: we do not want White recruits. Unironically, groups like “Patriot Front” have done a far better job enticing White teenagers to equate patriotism and nation to race versus the military’s ham-fisted attempts at DEI inspired anti-racist/anti-White marketing strategies centering “nation” as a post-White America.
The military’s anti-White shift in advertising may have been justified if the military still had White veterans imploring their White children to join the military. That is no longer happening. Veterans are not only far more conservative as a group (that may change in the future), but they are also statistically more politically engaged then the average American. Consequently, while average American citizens may be less likely to notice the definitively anti-White vitriol of the modern military, White veterans are speaking openly about Critical Race Theory (CRT) and the politically weaponized Covid vaccine to their children. This is all having a suppressing effect on recruitment potential.
Okay, so if the US military is doing a good enough job on its own making itself irrelevant, it shouldn’t be terribly difficult to ease it along further in that direction, right? Martin crunched the numbers and concludes that Southern identitarians, and hopefully the dissident Right in general, should aim its anti-recruitment media blitz at “GenZ White Christian males and GenX veterans.” Memes, videos, and other forms of media should underscore how anti-Christian, anti-white, anti-Southern, and pro-LGBTQ the military has become. Because this is all demonstrably true, creating content in which the US military effectively discredits itself should not be terribly difficult. The former demographic should be dissuaded from joining up and the latter should be dissuaded from encouraging their GenZ children from joining up. It is not about honor and patriotism anymore; that US military is long gone. Military recruitment is now about feeding the Beast that hates you, and may ultimately wish to destroy you.
This is where Padraig Martin doesn’t so much go wrong as leaves a few loose ends in his argument. This essay is not a critical response, but a complement to his. Yes, the US military is everything he says it is. Yes, it makes perfect sense for young men to have nothing to do with it. But to completely abandon it as he is suggesting would be dangerous. In 20 years, after all the Generation X military men retire, and if there hasn’t been a shift in the country’s political direction, we may very well have a White House and federal legislature with unambiguous ties to antifa. What would happen if such a Bolshevik leadership decided to sic its mostly non-white military on white America itself? How would our AR-15s, Glocks, and hunting rifles do against weaponized AI, long-range missile strikes, and God knows what else when all the fingers on the proverbial buttons are black or brown? That, I have to say, is a scary proposition, and it would be precipitated by thousands of would-be white recruits opting out of the military today.
According to this popular WhatIfalthist video, the Right would most likely emerge victorious in a second civil war. This all depends, however, on the US military being mostly Right-wing to begin with. That may be so today (although even this is questionable). But if Padraig Martin has his way, tomorrow it won’t be so. And even in its denuded state, without a core cadre of dedicated, patriotic white men, the military, with its vast technological resources and potential aid from abroad, could conceivably conquer or subdue a white American populace whose military-aged men are largely untrained.
Of course, this is the worst-case scenario. It is also probably far from the likeliest scenario. But it is certainly possible and should be considered if we are to take Identity Dixie’s proposals seriously. I am not saying Martin is wrong, but I will say that ending the flow of white men into the US military cannot end there. Other things have to happen concomitantly in order for Martin’s dream of breaking up the degenerate United States to come true.
First, there must be something set up to replace the military and the technological training that is offered by the Army, Navy, Air Force, and Marines. It also has to be done legally and peacefully. Certainly, individuals with the appropriate means can find ways of doing so, but serious capital and resources would be necessary for thousands of young men to learn the necessary skills. Do we have that? And where would we begin? A white America that spurns the military must be prepared for what it’s got coming in the mid-twenty-first century, and I am not exactly sure what that is or how it can be done. This conversation certainly needs to continue in many places beyond this one.
You can buy Spencer J. Quinn’s young adult novel The No College Club here.
(As an aside, my latest novel, The No College Club, addresses the topic of large-scale white abandonment of traditionally white institutions, although from an educational standpoint, as its title suggests. But it hints at military divestment as well.)
Second, the dissident Right will have to behave itself. Given the grievously unjust sentences that have been handed down to the January 6 protestors and the Left-wing establishment’s typically oppressive overreaction to any strong public expression by the Right — Charlottesville in August 2017 being the prime example — we are one Timothy McVeigh away from total crackdown, and I’m not referring only to doxings and cancellations. If the Justice Department can rationalize sentencing the Proud Boys leadership to decades behind bars while arguing for leniency for Black Lives Matter protestors when they have committed murder, then imagine what they would do to perfectly innocent white advocates if they’re in an aggressive mood? Trumped-up charges, forced incarcerations, a complete blackout of Right-wing media — March 1917 all over again.
In such a future, I believe the white population of the US would need sympathetic leadership in the military as a protection against tyranny. Without that, avoiding such a future hinges on some Right-wing lunatic not committing a large-scale atrocity in the name of the white race. So far we’ve thankfully managed to do just that, with the violence being limited to isolated, lone-wolf affairs that are promptly and correctly denounced by dissident Right influencers. I know that people in our circles today can be very critical of each other, but in the vast majority of cases we have been a law-abiding, peaceful cohort, especially when compared to our Left-wing counterparts.
In order for Padraig Martin’s plan to work, it must remain this way.
This message has to be drummed into the movement from the top down, especially by those such as myself and Padraig Martin, who believe that white men should indeed turn their backs on the US military. Once we cede military power to our potential adversaries, all we will have left at our disposal are peaceful means to alter the course of history. We won’t have any room for mistakes.
Finally, we need to invest fully in Red State Secession. When I interviewed Martin, he said that he was fine with Red State Secession as a temporary measure. I am, too, as evidenced by my ISEE Model of White Survival:
Temporary as it is, however, Red State Secession is also necessary, and the only viable first step short of bloody revolution which will accomplish our goal of the breakup of the United States and the subsequent establishment of a white ethnostate, in the South or elsewhere. This means that white military divestment and Red State Secession need to go hand-in-hand. We shouldn’t ever mention one without the other unless we wish to remain vulnerable to whatever military with a non-white majority has in store for us. And we don’t have a whole lot of time.
Another option would be to attempt to secretly infiltrate the military with pro-white recruits who will give American whites the protection they will need if the American leadership decides to tyrannize us. But when it comes to this strategy, the less we know about it, the better.
See also US military veteran Ash Donaldson’s essay “Be All You Can Be: On Joining the Military,” which presents the pros and cons of white men joining the US military.
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47 comments
One wonders how effective the 347th Mechanized Hairdresser Battalion would be against determined opposition, even if that opposition were armed only with hunting and self-defense weapons.
And logistics are a bitch. Every refinery worker, steel worker, catering employee, parts supplier etc was on board with the Afghanistan and Iraq invasions. It’s not clear they would remain so when Field Marshall Nood’s strafing leaves their kids dead. The pilots also have families with names and addresses.
The author’s mention of Padraig Martin reminded me of Musonius Rufus and his podcast, Rebel Yell. It was on the Identity Dixie site last I checked. Great listen. Rufus is a polymath and a true pleasure to listen to. I don’t always agree with his take on things, but I always learn something new from him.
Thanks, Richard. I will check Rufus’ program out.
Interesting that millennials are all but excluded from these particular discussions.
Truly the abandoned generation.
Truly an underrated comment. The millennial are seen as perpetual children; even Gen z with their broccoli haircuts are seen as more potent and “having skin in the game”. Brutal.
Kind of a jaundiced take. I was just following Martin’s lead after he crunched the numbers. According to him, Gen X and Z make up the demographics likeliest to be persuaded. That doesn’t necessarily cast shade on Millennials. No one should take it personally. Of course, we would want as many Millennials on our side as well, but given our finite time and resources it might not be the best strategy to lead with Millennial outreach. This strategy could be right or wrong. If Millennials can be shown to be more susceptible to outreach, let’s do it. I’ve never been one to make much of generational distinctions.
Millennials abandoned themselves. They accept no guidance, because they know everything and you are just a big bucket of “hate” if you try to tell them anything else.
Older millennials are 40 or close enough to it and don’t factor in discussions about joining the military. How is that a surprise?
Absolutely. That’s the obvious reason.
Why would white goys fight in the army knowing that their country is run by J’s? You accomplish more for your race by killing REAL enemies and its not that hard to figure out who they are. J’s don’t join the army in mixed societies. They run their own intel OPs through groups like the ADL and put car bombs in the cars of racial enemies. IMO that it is the winning strategy in multi-racial societies.
You accomplish more for your race by killing REAL enemies and its not that hard to figure out who they are. J’s don’t join the army in mixed societies. They run their own intel OPs through groups like the ADL and put car bombs in the cars of racial enemies. IMO that it is the winning strategy in multi-racial societies.
Thanks, Special Agent Obvious.
Many on the right still drink deeply from the well of American nationalism and, as a result, remain devoted to the institutions and symbols of the United States. They have convinced themselves that American nationalism and white racial nationalism are synonymous or, at least, are in some kind of accord. Their vision of white nationalism is essentially an idealised whites-only version of the USA.
What they fail to understand – or, perhaps, are incapable of understanding due to decades of American nationalist propaganda churned out by the Zog Machine – is that today, in 2023, racial identity and American identity are diametric opposites. The institutions and symbols of the American nation, including its military, are overtly and aggressively anti-white and pro-Semite. You can wish it was otherwise. You can wistfully dream of what a truly pro-white America could have been. But you cannot deny that the United States is the golem of Zionism. You cannot deny that anti-white Zionists control every level of US government, from the federal to the local, and you absolutely cannot deny that the US Armed Forces are a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Israeli Defense Force.
Join the US military? Sure. If you are willing to kill and die for Israel, you absolutely should. If you believe that diversity if our strength, you absolutely should. If you believe that the dissident right is the greatest threat to the USA, you most certainly should. If you believe these things, you believe in the gospel of modern Americanism and you should join the armed enforcers of that toxic anti-white ideology.
But if you love your race and care about the future of your civilization, you shouldn’t. Nor should you hold onto childish fantasies that the US Armed Forces are full of secret fellow travellers who will defend the white race from tyranny. As I said earlier, you can wish it was otherwise and you can dream about what it would be like if this fantasy were true. But the reality is that the US Armed Forces are the footsoldiers of ZOG. Maybe they were something else, once upon a time. But not now. Now, America is the name of the weapon which Tel Aviv uses to erase its greatest and most ancient enemy: the white race.
‘You cannot deny that anti-white Zionists control every level of US government, from the federal to the local….’
Yes, I can.
Local politics where Whites still dominate remain an option for pro-Whites who don’t wear their racial consciousness on their sleeves.
The cultural institutions are subservient to jews and non-Whites. As a consequence, corporations are subservient to jews and non-Whites. But that’s really as far as it goes. The chief problem for pro-White politics is its connection to ‘conservatism’ or ‘right wing values’.
Politics is always a matter of who you know.
Ten well-place pro-Whites could dominate just about any town under 100,000 just by going to lunch together once a week and figuring out how they want to get things done.
Ten well-place pro-Whites could dominate just about any town under 100,000 just by going to lunch together once a week and figuring out how they want to get things done.
Quite simple thing? Only where is that the case? Oh yes nowhere…
There are places in the US where such things have been accomplished. They don’t advertise because doing so make them a target. With creativity and discipline, Whites can do almost anything. You can blackpill yourself, but you cannot blackpill me.
HT, I love your can-do attitude.
Overall I’m optimistic we are on track to win the race war in the next few generations, but I’m increasingly pessimistic about localism as a solution. Take Buckhead, Georgia for example. It is separatist in such a way that it transcends the usual stupid politics because it leans Democrat, yet it is mostly opposed by black Democrats. So it will likely never be allowed to secede. Something I looked forward was forcing women into registering for Selective Service to even things out symbolically. They had the votes, but somehow one chivalrous newcomer, Josh Hawley, was enough to stop the vote. Interesting how that works. So even in a basically 99-1 vote to ceremonially change the law it is still tabled. James Allsup won some seat unopposed years ago and was then disallowed by his local GOP from serving. It just goes on and on. Democracy doesn’t work when it comes down to it. They simply won’t allow populist-nationalism to ever again gain a foothold as long as we have this system of governance.
“The institutions and symbols of the American nation, including its military, are overtly and aggressively anti-white and pro-Semite. You can wish it was otherwise. You can wistfully dream of what a truly pro-white America could have been.” Actually, I do not “wish it was otherwise”. The anti-White attacks en route to our extermination provides a fantastic opportunity to finally come together as WE EUROPEANS; our destiny flows from that. Yes, of course, we have French, Germans, Swedes, English, Americans, Canadians, etc. identities, &, collectively we make up WE EUROPEANS. We cannot squander this golden opportunity to self-identify & repatriate ALL the non-Europeans back to their homelands.
.the problem with the military, is that many naive recruits, harbor the idea that ONE can learn a trade.! Absolute lie….for example, if you join as a electrician’s mate (navy, CG..), the training that you obtain, after 5 years contract would NOT make you eligible to challenge an electrician’s (C of Q) on the civvy street..! You wouldn’t even be doing anything electrical for at least 1-2 years of a 5 year contract! You would know more as a 1st term electrical apprentice (in the private sectory), than someone who has been in the navy, marines, Chair force, army , CG, for 6 years..!
I will concede that navigating the maze of military job training and education is not so easily done. Lots of opportunities get lost in the shuffle. Older people are often not the most helpful guides because the path changes constantly and not always for the better. I can think of many things that I would have done differently in retrospect.
On the other hand, you do have to start somewhere. Nobody will invest in you and mentor you if they are not certain that you are earnest and will persevere through their help. And it is hard to get enthusiastic about so many inherent uncertainties.
I used to be an IBEW Union steward in the broadcasting industry (Radio and TV Engineer). Our local also had industrial electricians who worked at the Idaho National Engineering Laboratory where nuclear reactors and naval nuclear technologies were developed and tested.
I can’t speak that much for the electricians as I am not an electrician, and I don’t remember how the “hiring hall” protocols were with them exactly ─ but in my exact bailiwick we rarely recommended or hired broadcast engineers without at least a two-year trade school degree (or some portion thereof) in electronics engineering technology. Then they became the apprentices.
(I admit at this point that all this was easier in the day with IBEW electricians who were mostly employed by government contractors who were not usually anti-Union or anti-worker on principle.)
In those days only corporate bosses, and provincial shops that could not afford to pay health insurance ─ and not the establishment itself ─ were anti-worker. The Unions themselves were likewise more focused on lunch-pail politics and not racial integration theology or D.I.E. dogma.
In retrospect, I would not have gone into Electronics at all because at a tender age in the 1970s I could not have imagined that our national elites would have willingly shipped jobs and manufacturing overseas to improve Wall Street portfolios.
So my advice for the Navy guy upon separation from the service would be to then start getting some trade school or college credits as a veteran ─ and I don’t mean in Women’s Studies or modern practical Marxism.
Then go to the Union hiring hall and start making some networking friends. That is how one starts a career. Try to be enthusiastic, focused on supporting a family, and patient. Try not to be unduly hostile to bosses or foremen, and imagine yourself in their shoes, or looking backwards at your career in the future.
One of the proudest moments of my life was when a former employer wrote a job reference for me stating that I was “honest and trustworthy.” I wish that had been more true! Unfortunately, maturity is wasted on the old.
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I spent 4 years in the US Navy as a Data Processing Technician; this rating specialty was eventually renamed as something along the lines of Information Tech or something similar to that. At any rate, you make a very good point about how at least the US Navy wastes the time of those who join for the purposes of ‘learning a trade’ and then getting out and seeking employment in that field in the private sector. I can remember the endless ‘work parties’ that the Navy command I was stationed at were constantly assigning to the DP Technicians that had nothing whatsoever to do with operating, troubleshooting, and maintaining their computer systems. This made it an almost impossible challenge to really dig into your chosen specialty and gain in-depth experience and greater expertise in your actual rating. You really had to fight this kind of thing and put in a lot of extra effort, so you would become the most valuable and become the go-to guy in the computer center, so that the Division Chief could not afford to send you on a working party because he would impact the ability of the computer lab to complete their assigned work on time.
I was fortunate to never be assigned to a ship during my 4 years, but from the stories I used to hear from ship sailors – it is even worse on board a ship, primarily because you are basically a prisoner and you’re living on that ship 24 hours a day and the Chief can always drag you out of your bunk and order you to become part of a working party. If you are on shore duty, you can usually leave after your 8-9 hour day and go home, or go to your barracks.
I’ve thought about this as well. The following is purely hypothetical conjecture, of course. One possibility that should be figured into the equation is this. Let’s suppose (assuming the best case) that the rank-and-file of the future military is as White and conservative as it was in the 1980s, which means that it’ll be strong and pretty competent. Meanwhile, though, the government continues on its toxically leftist tangent and becomes a dictatorship.
Then one day it orders the military to turn its guns on the public. What happens then? Will the rank-and-file soldiers refuse, or maybe even go Battleship Potemkin on their politically appointed superiors? Or will they comply with the treasonous orders handed down through the chain of command? They’ll be under enormous pressure to do the latter, of course. Sure, they take an oath to uphold the Constitution, and they’re told that they should refuse illegal orders, but try explaining all that in a drumhead tribunal while facing twenty to life in Fort Leavenworth!
I should add that conservative doesn’t always mean sensible. I suspect that quite a few staunch conservative patriots wouldn’t hesitate to carpet bomb their own hometowns if told these places needed “liberating” from bad guys trying to overthrow the gummint. They wouldn’t take a minute to think about whether these “bad guys” had a point, or whether the Wormtongues giving them orders and feeding them propaganda actually have their best interests at heart.
Therefore, it’s a gamble to expect that White conservative soldiers will tell their officers to take a hike if ordered to shoot their own people. In that case, we might be better off if the only Whites in the military are furries, otherkin, gender studies Ph.D.s who got sick of working at Fivebucks Coffee, and of course Heather-with-two-mommies from the recruitment ad.
Our military is called all-volunteer, but that is a deceptive description, meant to sound like patriots responding to an attack. There were some true volunteers after 9/11, but a better term for what we have now is mercenaries, who do what their paymasters tell them to do. But the government won’t have to resort to the professional military in the unlikely event of an actual uprising. The federal police force could handle it. There are 73 agencies that have a contingent of police, like the well known FBI, DEA, marshals, ICE, TSA, postal inspectors, park rangers, ATF agents (and don’t forget the 87,000 armed IRS agents). It is very likely that a large part of their training, (maybe second only to classes in critical race theory) is in working together in an emergency situation. A relative of an acquaintance is one, and it seems like he goes off somewhere for a month’s training a couple of times a year. You could consider them as one big police force split up into detachments that could quickly coalesce into a large force. Their jobs are much easier than a beat cop’s, they are very well paid, and they have cushy pensions to protect. Added up, they outnumber the Marine Corps. Beyond that, they would be supplemented by state and local police, who were happy to join the platoons of feds in predawn raids to arrest septuagenarian retired veterans who had walked through the capitol on January 6th. Let’s move on from delusional musing about armed insurrection. This may not be warmly received here, but we could do worse than to emulate the persistence and dedication of the pro-lifers, who, along with Donald Trump, delivered the only stunning defeats of the Left in the last half century. Of course, both of those victories may prove transitory, but they also might mark a turning point.
“I should add that conservative doesn’t always mean sensible.”
The understatement of the year.
The premise of this article is that if Whites do not join the military, the US military which is the most powerful in the world, could be used against Whites. The problem with the argument is that without White men, the military will be a 3rd world disaster.
The military will be comprised of hispanics and blacks. Will blacks follow hispanic officers and vice versa? Will women or trannies have their orders followed by blacks and hispanics?
Who has the IQ to operate and maintain complex modern equipment such as aircraft carriers and planes? Who is the Army Corps of Engineers going to employ? Who will organize the logistics required to make an army run?
I agree that we need to maintain some military skills among Whites but I am not sure how. It seems if they join the army they get filled with self loathing and discriminated against.
At the very least we should be teaching young Whites to toughen up such as taking them camping and hunting, and getting them into physical contact sports and ideally self defence such as MMA, wrestling, boxing etc. Knowing how to shoot a gun is useful too.
“The problem with the argument is that without White men, the military will be a 3rd world disaster.”
Maybe, but worst-case scenario says that with enough AI and foreign assistance, a mostly black-brown military won’t need high IQs to tyrannize white Americans, especially if we don’t train ourselves to survive now.
“At the very least we should be teaching young Whites to toughen up such as taking them camping and hunting, and getting them into physical contact sports and ideally self defence such as MMA, wrestling, boxing etc. Knowing how to shoot a gun is useful too.”
Agree 100%
The US armed forces are our principle enemy. They always have been and always will be. It even states it in the anti-bootlicking Constitution, Bill of Rights etc. ‘We’ were never allowed to have a standing peacetime army until after 1945. Really makes you think.
Let me remind you ‘our troops’ were deployed against us on Jan 6. They didn’t ‘stand down’ as Cuckservatives always claimed they would when they moment came. They had their M16s ready to go. Then they were deployed to every state Capitol in the following days. These people would butcher their own children if given the order. Let me also remind me of the conduct of the police during the so-called pandemic.
Nobody can hold a candle to white people besides other whites. I am not afraid of professionalized nonwhites. They cannot win a war against the Taliban, ISIS, Russia or Mexican cartels. The nonwhite army is a laughingstock and it’s getting worse. City police have a homicide clearance rate of less than 30% now.
So we need white men to actively avoid the armed forces. It would likely lower the suicide and addiction rate to among our lads too. Moreover, there is no nonwhite secessionist movement. La Raza isn’t real and Mexican-Americans are not actual irredentists as advertised. Their comrades in Latin America are fleeing their ethno-states to clean the toilets of obese whites in Catinas. Black nationalists not only do not want separatism, they want even more access to whites.
I am not concerned about the inevitable showdown between nonwhites and us because it will be a bloodbath for them. There has been so much civic attrition in whites in just the last few years. They even root for the enemies of the US troops now. This has never been the case in American history until now.
“So we need white men to actively avoid the armed forces. It would likely lower the suicide and addiction rate to among our lads too.”
Interesting. Do you have data to back this up?
“I am not concerned about the inevitable showdown between nonwhites and us because it will be a bloodbath for them.”
Well, I would prefer to avoid bloodbaths in general. However, I wish I shared your optimism. In such an apocalyptic scenario, I am afraid that both sides would suffer greatly.
The data is that since 9/11/2001 four times as many veterans/active military kill themselves than have been killed in the line of duty. And the numbers that kill themselves with drink and drugs are not counted as suicides, so the numbers are actually higher than that.
Spencer, I love your writing, but this article really made me mad. Telling us we need to behave. I honestly stopped reading after that. And I’m not saying the opposite, so please, no one should feel the need to go nuts on me, I’m just sick of fucking being told to behave.
Hi Weave
Thanks for reading. Here is my definition of ‘behaving’: not going on killing rampages. I was using the term loosely and I hoped that the context of the essay would make that clear. In no way was that meant to instruct you or any other law abiding person what to do. The message was to keep the potential Robert Bowers of the world from killing innocent people in the future. Moral implications aside, such actions hinder the movement and make us vulnerable as well.
I hope this clarifies.
If it comes to actual open kinetic conflict between Whites who want independence and Whites and non-Whites who want to impose their will upon these independent Whites, you can kiss White civilization in North America goodbye. I felt that needed to be said.
I don’t think Whites should go into the military. I think White veterans should teach young Whites the relevant pieces of military knowledge and skill directly to Whites with an interest in such things. But, truthfully, most military training – except PT – isn’t that useful for creating or combating an insurgency campaign. And that’s the most likely scenario.
The enemies of ZOG figured out long, long ago that you do not give the American military a ‘hard’ target of any kind. When you do that the Zoggies just bomb or spray or mine everything in sight and drive the population into the arms of the insurgents.
A well-regulated militia may be in the interests of a republican state under normal circumstances, but defending the White race against the Zoggies is going to entail guerrilla warfare.
However, the goal of pro-White politics at this time should be to direct resources towards increasing economic autarky for Whites including developing regional currencies and banking facilities in the parts of the country that remain mostly White thereby minimizing the economic drain of taxation on White populations and limiting the ability of alien authorities imposing their will via carrot/stick tactics using federal tax dollars.
The US military is another branch of the US welfare state. It seeks to provide ‘military socialism’ to destitute ‘Americans’ whose local economies have been devastated by ZOG’s anti-industrialization policies and rentier operations of wealth extraction via federal taxes.
ZOG can always print money.
If Whites as a people want to compete, we have to do the same.
Many states are already implementing the legal and physical infrastructure to make ‘precious metal’ currency an option in their states. I’m not a hard currency person – and would prefer a pro-White fiat currency guided by the interests of White people in as transparent and decentralized a manner possible – but the very idea of a currency independent of ZOG only benefits our mission to save the White race.
All excellent stuff: No hard target and autarky.
Bring it on: Need to check your rhetoric. We have had a standing army since the 1780s. Not a very large one, except in war, but it’s been there. The 7th cavalry wasn’t a society of freemasons, you know. There has always been an argument having a regular army. Many Congressmen in the early 1800’s wanted to abolish West Point, fearing a military aristocracy, and it was always felt “a well-regulated militia” was the only true defense. True in theory, but a lot of times the militia was untrained and got whipped until the regulars showed up.
I understand the sentiments of this thread, but a standing army is needed, has been maintained since America’s founding, and is only the servant of whoever controls it.
Sending the military to fight in every overseas shindig is obviously wrong, but there is always some kind of defense needed. America is, as Lt. Colonel MacGregor noted,
essentially an island nation, needing a large navy more than an army, but it does need to be defended, and has been for its history.
I think I did misspeak here. I’m traveling and researching what these people have done to Europe and I am extremely tired. The armed forces were always kept small and all that in peacetime.
But I have to disagree once more with the need for ‘defense.’ What is being defended by these people? Moreover, why is it in our interest for this dump to be defended? As far as I’m concerned all of these institutions exist to vector and protect the enemies of our race from us. They exist to stop us from doing something about it. You have to shake off the patriotism. We have different interests than these institutions and all of the mercenaries serving it.
This is an interesting debate and I think it is enormously important.
Most of the people convinced that we win somehow by avoiding institutions like the Army, the police forces, the civil service, etc. are not Prior Service and frankly don’t know what they are talking about.
Now I have always been a White Nationalist, who was a dues paying supporter of the NSWPP, and that wasn’t really on the radar when I joined the service but it never prevented me from getting a top security clearance in the U.S. Army Signal Corps. It also helped that I was a High School graduate with no criminal record or past history of drug abuse.
I understand that when I went in to the Army over forty years ago, these were different times ─ although I was actually sworn in by a Negress lieutenant of the Air Force.
But I doubt much has really changed other than don’t-ask/don’t-tell. In the old days, when Blacks did things in the shower late at night, the MPs hauled them away and you never saw them again. White homosexuals rarely joined because they told the truth to the induction officials. Blacks rarely tell “the man” the truth, and everybody knows this.
One of the things that I always liked about the South was that they were so pro-military. I am incredibly distressed that my old Signal Corps post, named after Confederate Lieutenant-General John Brown Gordon has now been renamed after someone else ─ not an evil former Southern Governor, CSA general, and U.S. Senator. All the great Southern generals have now been Memory-Holed, not just Gen. Lee. One of my ancestors ─ a private soldier who owned land in Arkansas but not slaves ─ was killed in that conflict.
Military service is a vital pillar of Nationalism. Does anybody really doubt this? I do not want to make fun of 4Fs who did not serve for health reasons. I also don’t want to make fun of naïve kids who signed up for the Eleven-Bang MOS (grunt) after 9/11 or to look for phony WMDs ─ and who now complain that the military didn’t teach them any useful job skills.
However, my opinion is that the argument that ZOG can be brought down if White men just avoid the military is absurd. It is Anarchist or Libertarian nonsense.
It is like Grover Norquist and his folly to eliminate big gubbamint by “starving the beast.”
I could go on but I am trying to keep my comments to a reasonable length.
My nephew graduated from the Naval Academy and has now completed his military obligation. At a cost of a few extended deployments on a nuclear submarine, he has been able to support a large family and has something like six kids, and is now studying medicine. The military is the only institution I know of that actually pays you more for having more dependents. I wish that I had been more military career-minded myself.
Joining the military is no panacea, and there are many pitfalls to avoid. WN has to have this discussion.
I personally believe as Charles Lindbergh did in Isolationism, non-Interventionism, but also in a strong military. I also tend to be a law-and-order kind of guy that would make short work of criminals and rioters ─ but some police forces like in Minneapolis after Officer Derek Chauvin got railroaded, no way! Let them hire Negroes instead.
There is also a related debate about higher education. Most WN “dissidents” say no to College but I strongly disagree. Many of our guys can’t even handle basic logic and analysis about the latest conspiracy-theories that come down the pike. I am not trying to be cheeky here.
The bottom line is that in spite of the Marxist-run Universities and the Pozzed curricula and the usurious Student Loan trap, we need White people with good educations. If I was not impressed with the minds here at C-C, I would not be reading and commenting.
I don’t have all the answers, but these are important discussions to have. I like Red States but have little faith in their militancy and resilience. Many Red States have hard exteriors, but deep inside is gooey nougat which is a lovely treat for the ZOG system. Also, many Red States that have high White demographics are still mired with Normies suffering from “learned helplessness” who still have a hard time seeing the race war that manifests (clearly) before us.
When Covid started, every Winter snow bird was buying tons of groceries for their RV so that they could get out of Dodge. The internet was not down but banking was at a standstill. Nobody was taking cash because it was dirty and they could not make exact change. I waited in the gasoline queue trying to top off my tank with my debit card, and it took forever for an electronic transaction.
I thought, “This is how it happens. Not with nuclear war or a zombie apocalypse but with a whimper ─ a systemic bump in Internet connectivity.” I am not any more optimistic today.
I think we do need to be able to have vetted people and loyal fellow-travelers with experience in government, statecraft, beefsteak nationalism (that includes the military) and all other aspects of building and maintaining civilization.
Civilizations don’t build themselves!
If young White people today are no longer fit to join the military, well, I have a solution for that: conscription for a year into a Youth Labor Corps prior to a mandatory military obligation. (It would be a given that something fundamental would have to be done previously to eliminate the modern and unfortunate penchant for Interventionism overseas.) But such a machine would literally gin out Nationalism, as has historically been the case.
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Thanks, Scott. Yes, there are important things to consider from both sides of this discussion, which was one reason why I wrote this article.
The soonest this Mighty Evil Satanic Empire Collapses and thus sets the white population free the better.
The Armed Farces destroyed theys’ forces by forcing mandatory clot-shots 3 years ago, retiring those out for theys’ 20 with retirement and those like a track mechanic with 12 years in to depart for the Missouri National Guard where the governor doesn’t insist as commander-in-chief of that select state militia on it. Thus mid-level NCOs left the Armed Farces and are not going to put their lives in danger.
So is “Emma” the petite whiggress going to learn anything useful in a 2d Civil War Coonflict? Doubtful. Back in 1981-83 I was Fire Direction and Control for the Lance nuclear missile battery which was a cruise missile with a dial-a-yield warhead to take out Soviet railway yards bringing up Soviet armor. The missile was accurate within 10 meters and used inertial guidance with the launchers being on a M-113 APC chassis and crane to mate the missile and warhead on an aliminum pipe launching platform set to one of two elevations and an azimuth screw. The field artillery surveyors would set up two wooden stakes at a surveyed point and the launching tracked vehicle would align the front and back with a piece of duct tape centered on the track.
Reagan and Gorbachev came up with a deal to pull theater nuclear mid-range missiles so the Russians pulled their new missiles, and the Lances and Pershing I’s were sent back to Ft. Sill and the Lance 2 and Pershing 2s never deployed in 1985. The Lance Military Occupational Specialty MOS 15J10 which was small became large when it became the MOS for the Multiple Launch Rocket System, which is the Army’s most common artillery with sundry ranges. Now Emma will be one of three crew in an airconditioned truck with a GPS emitter and with a computerized fire control system. Gone are the multiple tracked launchers, the field artillery surveyors, the headquarters platoon with the wiremen, communications and control squad, and anything other than a rear-echilon crane unit to load up the packed missiles into crates at a warehouse in the rear.
Likewise with the tube artillery. From 1986-87 at the end of my Individual Ready Reserve obligation I would take a weekend drill for $104 per drill. I was in Bravo Battery 3/75 Field Artillery consisting of a battery of four M-109 Paladin 155mm self-propelled howitzers. We would take as a battery Trialways buses on a Friday evening, drive 180 miles to Ft. Leonard Wood (although once we took a C-47 Chinook helicopter and looked out the rear ramp at the terrain from Joplin to Ft. LeonardWood), checked out four howitzers from the motor pool, drove out to the range and put them in line, the squad NCOs would fuse them, and we would fire them at pretty much the same time. I got to fire the howitzer four times. Then we would drive back to the motor pool, the regular crew would take off the breech-block and clean it and put it up in the armory, and clean the barrel.
The Missouri Army Reserve used to have five 155mm batteries. Alpha in KC, B in Joplin, C in Rolla, D in Jeff City and E in Springfield. With the Global War on Muslims the B Battery 3/75 FA was didbanded to for the 414 Military Police Company as the Army needed MPs to deal with the Afghani and Iraqi oat-herders, not heavy artillery to worry about the Russians any more. Now the only tube unit in Missouri is the Kansas City one — “Truman’s Own” commanded by Capt. Harry S. Truman in the Great War.
No wonder there isn’t enough 155 artillery shells given that little of it has been used even for training for the past 20 years. With GPS and Computerized Satellites, no more Field Artillery Surveyers to act as a source of smart white men in Field Artillery any more.
Thus 110-lb “Emma” with two lesbo mommies isn’t likely to be able to ram 100-lb 155 rounds into a cannon barrel and fire it off to a target at even a sustained one round per minute, or even simply drive off to a new firing point and set up, because all she knows is how to press a button to fire two Patriot missiles costing a million each but blind because they dare not turn on the radar. The Russians have far superior air defense systems which work.
So what exactly is “Emma” the Woke Wharrior going to do for the ZOGling whigger Amurrrikwans cum CivilWar2? Going to fire off her two Paytriot missiled costing $1 each from her GPS-computer satellite truck at a militia squad someplace deep in the woods? Entertain as a petite woke double-breasted GI with a built-in foxhole some of the bros?
The ZOGling way of war is to get billions for expensive fragile unreliable weapons with no human foundations because ZOG hasn’t fought an existential war against a peer power since 1865. The Russians right now are going to buy a couple million 152mm shells from their North Korean friends in exchange for food and technology. If they give enriched plutonium or nukes to the Iranians then game over for ZOG/Babylon.
ZOG is sooooooooooo fucked!
I disagree with the part about Whigger Nutsionalism Alt-kike 2.0 disclaiming “Lone Tard” gunmen as well. A rising tide of violence is inevitable and it pays nothing to incite violence and terrorism against ZOG/Babylon out to destroy us as a people while disclaiming those inherent soldiers who appear from time to time. My movement mentors were all Christian Identity and sometime Klansmen so I’m White Supremacist 1.0 and not simply a pussazoid Whigger-Whimperer of whatever version which works to get some donations from the pseudo-intellectual pussazoids.
As I have pointed out before to Greg Johnson, Padraig Martin, and others, taking responsibility for those who acted to defend our People just gets you held in contempt by all. I’m not expecting a William Butler Yeats who never apologised for the Easter Rising, but still, it is foolish and hypocritical to disclaim those who read our material and then acted upon it without our permission or knowledge. Accordingly I have supported morally Dylann Roof and Robert Bowers overtly in my publications. Kings who loved their People, be it Edward “Longshanks” I in 1290 Edict of Expulsion, Queen Isabella and King Ferdinand of Spain in their 1492 Alhambra Decree, and Chancellor Hitler post 1933 didn’t actually expel or kill jews as a government policy but rather allowed the long-suffereing People to deal with jews without consequence from their governments as a matter of social policy. A “slow cleanse” is unlikely given regime collapse and it makes claims that white people must continue to support jews and non-whites at white expense indefinitely — and thus is a moral mandate that none but the true king may impose (but shouldn’t).
The soonest this Mighty Evil Satanic Empire Collapses and sets the white population free the better.
Hail Victory !!!
Pastor Martin Lindstedt
Church of Jesus Christ Christian/Aryan Nations of Missouri
It seems like folly to leave the most well armed marshal institution entirely in the hands of our enemies. We need our guys in the institutions. Infiltration and intelligence would be very valuable at some point.
Also, we should have guys in who are experiencing the anti-white racism and have the nads to file lawsuits and whistle-blow, though for the latter things are so brazen that may not be critical now.
In any case, what we need to strengthen is our primary education and prime our young men and women to be much stronger intellectually and physically than the enemy’s youth. Then they can start parallels, go into the institutions that do elite formation and infiltrate or go in and then form parallels.
Now, a well-timed mutiny could prove useful – more useful than premature abandonment. I bet there is plenty of military history that could help us inform ourselves of power plays and which strategies and tactics worked in a given set of circumstances.
Great article, and judging by the comments it’s aroused a lot of interest from veterans.
A non-white military will mean the end of a white America. When the Persians started using Greek mercenaries as the basis of their army, they collapsed to Greek invaders. When the Romans began incorporating Germanics as regular army units, they collapsed to Germanics invaders.
Abandoning institutions is a recipe for failure and disaster. Does this Southern secessionist forget that the Confederacy was put down by military force – what makes him think the Union Yankees will react differently this time? And if you lack trained military men then it is over before it began.
One idea would be to strengthen State troopers and guardsmen to adopt stronger military roles, in preparation for future secession. Perhaps also increase state control over federal military that is stationed on their territory.
Let’s go on the assumption that abandoning the military as an institution is a strategic retreat that the Right cannot afford.
What, then, is to be done?
“Woke” materials which are being used to indoctrinate the armed forces are publicly available. Rebuttals to these materials could be posted online and disseminated via podcast.
Reading lists could be made to provide to provide alternatives to officially sanctioned critical race theory. Some examples: The Bell Curve; Age of Entitlement; Why Race Matters; Race, Evolution and Behavior; At Our Wit’s End. Sam Francis’ essay on Anarcho-Tyranny is also useful.
On a few occasions members of the armed forces have spoken up about the “woke” subversion of the armed forces…and have been duly sanctioned by the Pentagon. LTC Matthew Lohmeier wrote Irresistible Revolution (reviewed elsewhere on C-C) about critical race theory in the military.
A legal defense service could be formed to defend service members facing prosecution for opposing “wokeness.”
Military heritage is under attack, including destruction of statues and renaming of bases. That heritage could be preserved by supporting anti-iconoclasm activists. Again, online sites and podcasts could glorify Lee, Gordon, Bragg, A. P. Hill, et alia.
An alliance with groups like Identity Dixie and League of the South would be useful here.
Service members who have no interest in the Confederacy do take umbrage at the attacks on other great American military leaders such as Teddy Roosevelt, George Armstrong Custer and George Washington who are also on the hit list.
Back during the Covid era, anti-vaccine activists conducted protests outside of military bases. Similar protests could be conducted against troop indoctrination (again, outside of bases and by non-military personnel to avoid assorted issues). Perhaps common cause can be made between anti-vaccine and anti-wokeness protesters.
Flyers, leaflets and posters could be distributed in towns outside of military bases. Paid billboards outside renamed bases could proclaim: “Attention Pentagon Commissars: It’s Fort Gordon!”
Veterans could be enlisted for the above activities to provide additional legitimacy. Also, families and friends of service members. And how about military re-enactors who are also under fire?
There are a couple of organizations which conduct some activism against DEI and CRT (like STARRS), but their presence appears to be mainly online and not IRL.
Might also consider alternatives to federal military service. There are the various National Guards and some states have official militias. Often, these are politically powerful and can provide pushback against the ongoing insanity from the Beltway.
The critical thing is to let service members who oppose the indoctrination know that they are not alone. And also tell the Pentagon and Beltway commissars that if they want public support (vital for those pensions and contracts they are planning on), they will have to dump the indoctrination.
Of course, it’s easy enough to gin up all this in a post. Some organization would have to be formed to carry out these activities. There is also the situation where the Regime might prosecute dissidents under “sedition” laws.
Still, we do have a First Amendment (which members of the armed forces are sworn to uphold), though that is getting pretty iffy these days. A right not used is a right lost.
It’s one more opening in the struggle for America.
Interesting idea there. I could create some rebuttals to the woke stuff. Can you point me in the right direction of where to look for that? My knowledge of what they’ve been dishing out to the troops is very outdated.
Here are some starting points:
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/07/11/exclusive-army-email-refers-recipients-to-attachment-which-included-graphic-calling-maga-a-sign-of-white-supremacy/
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/restoring-america/courage-strength-optimism/inside-the-woke-takeover-of-the-us-air-force-academy
https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/2929658/diversity-equity-inclusion-are-necessities-in-us-military/
https://theintercept.com/2021/05/17/military-pentagon-extremism-social-media/
This can also be useful:
https://starrs.us/the-whistleblower-files/
The American Century is over, and a multipolar world is emerging. US elites will react by tightening the military-industrial complex (1) and rolling back the woke nonsense.
There will be good careers for white men in the US military.
(1) Alas, by cannibalizing Europe.
It’s very straightforward to find out any topic on net as
compared to books, as I found this piece of writing at this web site.
Well, this is certainly a popular and compelling subject among a good many of our readers, and something I had not yet thought much about, since I am an older woman with no military experience. However, I truth believe that if a good many of our ‘sort’ could go through military training for 2 or 4 years at minimum, it would provide a great learning experience which might definitely be of use in everyone’s future, as the author pointed out. I would think that the physical training alone would be a great advancement for anyone. And as was also pointed out, the use of weapons and the familiarity of electronic gismos (of which I know nothing) will be of help in any job training in your future.
Also, going into the military as a person with an in-built better brain would allow you to qualify for higher training opportunities of which I would include sniper training, learning to fly various aircrafts which would get you a job with airlines in the future, etc., and the various other specialized training such as Navy Seals, could come in handy if we, as white individuals, will have to one day indeed save the country.
The hardest part of joining the military at this time is the political BS you will be exposed to right along, and which you, as an intelligent being, will have to learn to keep your mouth shut and ideas to yourself, for years. You’re there to learn skills (for free, I might add) that will someday come in handy, not trash talk the other cadets, or whatever they’re called today to make them feel special.
The final appeal I will make to you, is to try your best to get married and start a family at the same time. I know that is asking a lot, especially as American women ar so bedazzled with feminism, but you would be a true champion to give it your best. While you’re learning a whole bundle of skills in the army, hopefully you can home to a woman who isn’t too boring or demanding, and who will present you with at least 2 or 3 little bundles.
Best of everything to you all — you’re the creme of the crop.
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