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Counter-Currents Radio Podcast No. 338 Ted Talk
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Ted Kaczynski teapot by Charles Krafft
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On this episode of Counter-Currents Radio, Greg Johnson and Richard Houck discuss the “Unabomber Manifesto,” Ted Kaczynski’s Industrial Society and Its Future.
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I listened this morning. Well, antidepressants weren’t available in the 1950s, but people availed themselves of those drugs which were available then, so I imagine people would have used antidepressants if they had been invented. I think it’s difficult to put one in the mind state of people in past times, so how can we say they were less happy? I think richard gets close to the truth near the end when he observes that life was simply harder for people in past times, so they had less time to complain. The struggle for existence and its constant adrenaline rush made people not happy, but more invested in life. Most people had to work harder, death from disease was much more common and people were less babied, so they appreciate what they had more. Also, I think a faith in religion and childish obedience to authority made people more complacent. Too much freedom actually makes people unhappy. People expected less.
I don’t think kacinski was any sort of profound thinker or that his work has much intellectual content, although he was clearly a brilliant mind. I believe he had a fundamentally criminal nature which he rationalized his crimes with his writings. I believe his evil sprung from a sexual abnormality of some sort. He was a very attractive young man who was the youngest tenured math professor in Berkeley history(!). Yet he never married or apparently had any conjugal relationship. Strange, as with that pedigree, knowing academic circles, there would have been droves of Jewish women knocking down his door, lol! His favorite writer was the uroguayan Quiroga, whose stories to me have sadistic, pedophiliac overtones. Cf. Eg. the short story Juan Darien. I’ve noticed with that sort of person they can be indifferent to normal human relationships and are quite comfortable alone, and seem indifferent to typical human status structures… the type of person who might leave a tenured position at Berkeley to live in a shack in rural Montana! That’s my theory, anyway.
the idea that a reversion to a non technological society would somehow save mankind is easily refuted. Wars for territory and slaves would quickly result in an arms race until we were back where we are in terms of technology. I look rather to the writings of the Scandinavian deep ecologists for a rational future for mankind, although I haven’t much hope for this. I expect Idiocracy. We there already.
Going back in time to any one day in history?
How about 22 November 1963, Dealey Plaza, Dallas.
Take the videocam to the Grassy Knoll, the Triple Underpass, and of course the 6th floor of the Texas Schoolbook Depository. Just think of the historical controversies one could clear up. Plus the movie and book rights!
Extra points for hanging around until the 24th at the basement of Dallas Police Headquarters.
Noise is bad. Music peaked in the Baroque and progressively became less melodic and noiser as orchestras increased in size to be loud enough to cater to a larger audience by using more percussion and brass. Spiteful mutant black Buddy Bolden spun this into Jazz. Black Chuck Berry made more virulent strain which made Beethoven roll over in his grave. Electric guitars of the 1970s – 200s mimicked the noisy humming machines of factories and cars, and now rap eschews almost all melody for the ravings of African American men accented with ambient and electronic washboard strokes and rattle shakes organized under a synthesized syncopated beat that serves as hypnotic musical steroids for otherwise mediocre melodies / harmony. If you want to reach large numbers of people, noise is better than melody because it takes intelligence to process the former and doesn’t take intelligence to process the latter. However, noise destroys the finer parts of human expression. Scaling up human institutions in size while suffering a genetic decline in intelligence results in more noise in more ways than one. One notices with Google reviews that the quality of government institutions is lowest, followed by corporations, mid sized chains, and topping out with small businesses and individuals offering client services. The lesson to be learned is that the more massive an institution is or the more power it has that is, the more noise unifies rather than melody. The government perpetuates noise in its institutions in the form of worthless procedures, the compliance and rules of corporations are a bit less noisy, and small businesses suffer the least amount of noise.
Ted had communication issues as a teacher. He didn’t answer student questions and was unpopular. They should have just let him be a full time mathematician and not teach. He could cut out the noise of the midwit students’ questions and focus on furthering mathematics.
Ted didn’t like being dubbed a nutjob by the psychologist before his trial. He wanted people to think he was sane because being seen as nuts would impair his ability to spread his message. The question is whether the murders were the only way to get it out. I believe they were not, and even if they were, at what point of unethical actions would he stop before the damage would outweigh the supposed gains from getting his message out? If you have to start with murder, something must be wrong. Plus, although his killings were somewhat targeted, because there was a minor degree of randomness involved with how likely the bombs were to explode, who he knew about, and his subjective assessments who who deserved them most. Ted is a murderer whose killings were somewhat random. Regardless, this is evil and bad, and we shouldn’t kill someone to get attention, but this doesn’t mean we must denounce everything in his manifesto. We should assess his ideas based on whether they are right or wrong and not discredit them because a murderer wrote them. He is generally right that technology (and modern economies) shape things more than anything, at least within a Eurasian context. Hispanics wage their own form of mediocrity, and Africans are mostly not civilization capable.
The idea that mass immigration is the result of technology is false because then Japan would have it too. Mass immigration is the result of technology and whites wanting cheap labor. They brought in non-whites to Rome too, but they weren’t as alien because the Romans didn’t travel as far, and while Jews are mostly to blame for opening things up after 1965, whites were bringing in Asian coolie labor in the late 19th century prior to when Jews were as strong as they are now. We must be honest that there are a lot of fat old white gen Xers selling out white homelands for the sake of their personal gain and their company’s gain. Jews are disproportionately involved, but they have white gentile partners.
What Ted failed to see is that we may be living under a bad technological set that through further innovation may shift culture to a better place. We may just be in a bottle neck of human culture.
Plus, I believe 80% of people in the less developed world hate their jobs versus 70% of people in the more developed US, and idiot third world Africans get happy more easily thanks to their genetics making them more easily amused, so miseries aren’t the real problem so much as institutional disregard and misuse of genius individuals like Ted. It’s been illegal to assign jobs according to IQ since the early 1970s, so smart white guys below the genius level have been taking on this chin for a while too. It’s a big misnomer to think that the smart people are running the show. They’re all hermits more than they should be thanks to social people keeping them down.
There is no doubt that industrial civilization is dysgenic. We may be evolving to be less crime prone, which is a good thing, but genes responsible for improved intelligence are being selected against on the net. Ted represents an extreme example of criminal and genius genes losing out in the modern age. Criminal genes have been selected against since the dawn of agriculture so that’s a long term trend but selection against intelligence is new. As socializing in large institutions becomes ever more important, the genius hermit agriculture created is dying out. Ted may have had a better life 300 years ago, but modernity choked him out.
I don’t believe the world economy will collapse starkly any time soon. There are still plenty of Asians and Hispanics who can keep it from plummeting to dirt poor African levels, but things don’t look good. Asian and Latin American societies are a downgrade from European (white) societies. The best we can hope for is for technology to recreate an environment having the same eugenic effects of pre industrial Europe. There’s a tall order for a new app…
World hegemony may shift to China once it has enough wealth and disposable income among its citizens to unseat the dollar as the world currency, but the control freak, inward-looking nature of Chinese may prevent that from happening. They already control their currency tightly.
Oh and by the way, the hypersocialization Ted is talking about refers to the effeminate INFJs and INFPs who are the vanguard of the left as they combine mental IN with social F. However, we fail to notice that most ESxxs are stupid socialites. They are trapped in a social prison the same way animals are in their instincts. The only way to deal with them on a massive scale is to use sheer power to set the rules. It’s not so much that they are resistant to ideology but rather unconcerned with it. Ted’s worst adversaries weren’t computer workers but the ideological dead weight of NPC masses. The very sort of overachieving ESxx and INFx kids who harangued him as a teacher. It’s not tech but niggatech which is keeping us down, with a little help from Fs who are treating non-whites like pampered livestock.
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