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A meme circulating around social media after the revelations of Harvey Weinstein’s behavior said, “If you’re a man, don’t say anything to a woman that you wouldn’t want a man saying to you in prison.”

For my part, I think there’s value in this way of presenting the idea that most women live in a default state of fear of men in general that influences how particular mens’ actions are perceived. No, this isn’t because all men are dangerous—they aren’t. On college campuses, for instance, research finds that the vast majority of rapes are committed by a very small number of serial offenders. But the men who are dangerous disproportionately place themselves in womens’ experiences of the world, precisely as a result of the traits (like psychopathy and impulsiveness) that make them dangerous.

For all the same reasons, even if I really did have an issue that prevented me from bending over, and I really did just need the soap, I would still never even consider asking another man in a prison shower to pick up my soap—because those background factors about what that usually means in context have to be taken into consideration. This chapter excerpt from Mate, written by reformed edgelord Tucker Max and evolutionary psychologist Geoffrey Miller, offers similar points and examples.

However, it is important to emphasize how little applicability this meme has to the actual Harvey Weinstein situation. Harvey Weinstein’s behavior was an ‘open secret,’ well-known by anyone close to him in the entertainment industry. The women who only spoke out about Weinstein’s behavior years after the fact while participating in it at the time are as much of a problem as Weinstein himself, and are part and parcel with the degenerate atmosphere swallowing Hollywood. These women were not dependent on Harvey Weinstein for their livelihoods; their only reason to even consider engaging with him at all was their desire to pursue greater fame, and by the time Harvey Weinstein’s behavior was in full force, they knew what the deal was. In practice, their own ego and fame simply meant more to them than solving the problem. They are moral cowards and selfish prostitutes, not heroes and victims.

As Alex Fontana put it in “Weinstein’s Willing Victims,”

If these women were stupid enough to let themselves be lured into Weinstein’s apartment or hotel room, especially when his behaviour was an “open secret,” then they had full awareness of the repercussions. I’m not ‘shaming the victim,’ but this excessive pandering to women as though they were incapable of agency or of grasping the obvious quid-quo-pro nature of the proposals is ludicrous. And these female “heroes” who have now stepped forward after Weinstein had been exposed in a major paper are nothing more than ‘fair weather’ cowards whose silence enabled Weinstein to continue his predatory-leveraging onto a never-ending stream of younger and more vulnerable women.

Changing topics completely, one of the most striking things about this meme is how blithely it takes for granted the fact that prison is an environment in which there is this pervasive underlying threat of rape. This is so well understood and obvious to people that this meme was able to become popular by using that fact as a reference point to illustrate something about ordinary human behavior in everyday life. To put it plainly, one thing the popularity of this meme shows very clearly is that nobody cares about men being raped until it can be used as an illustration to tell people how to talk to women.

As Cathy Young detailed in an article in Time, there are significant problems with the CDC’s data on sexual assault. For example, all intoxicated sex may have been classified as “rape” by definition. Similarly, many male victims of rape are simply defined out of the picture by classifying rape as ‘being penetrated,’ while throwing being ‘made to penetrate’ into the “other sexual violence” category. Yet, as Young writes,

when asked about experiences in the last 12 months, men reported being “made to penetrate”—either by physical force or due to intoxication—at virtually the same rates as women reported rape (both 1.1 percent in 2010, and 1.7 and 1.6 respectively in 2011).

So, yes, the official data probably underestimates how many total rapes take place in the United States. But the publicized numbers also systematically underestimate how thoroughly represented men are as victims of sexual coercion in the general population. And without diminishing the significance of cases where sex takes place as a result of threats, lies, and manipulation or drug-addled decision-making, cases of rape which are overtly violent from start to finish are clearly both morally even more repugnant and psychologically even more damaging. However horrible the former may be, let’s be real: they do very often take place in relationships where similar levels of abuse are regularly re-occurring on both sides. Quite often, the kind of person who doesn’t end a relationship immediately over a partner blackmailing him into sex is the kind of person who sees this behavior as falling within the realm of generally acceptable behavior, and is not against retaliating in kind—and this goes for both men and women who enter, and stay in, the kinds of relationships where this sort of behavior takes place.

Overtly violent cases—what we might call “gunpoint rapes”—are much, much more likely to be caught and prosecuted since there will be far less ambiguity to an outside party over whether there was consent and at what point it was or was not revoked. Thus, all considered, the official data on the prevalence of rape in the general population is worthy enough for my purposes in this article.

Now on to prison rape.

In 2010, about 88,500 inmates reported being victimized by sexual violence in 2008-2009. Oddly enough, women were actually more likely to report being raped by fellow prisoners (3.9% of women vs. 1.6% of men), whereas men were more likely to report being raped by staff (2.5% of men vs. 1.8% of women). To the extent that women in prison are more likely to be raped than men, it’s ironically because incarcerated women are more likely to rape other women than incarcerated men are to rape other men.

But given that women are under 10% of the total prison population, the percentages here matter less than the raw numbers. And all this is of course against the background that womens’ privilege in prison sentencing for identical crimes as men is six times larger than whites’ privilege in prison sentencing for identical crimes as blacks (with the consequence that black women literally have more privilege in prison sentencing than white men).

In total, 5.7% of women and 4.1% of men reported either form of victimization (by other inmates or staff). That‘s only a 40% increase, and again, it’s entirely due to the greater likelihood that incarcerated women will rape—a fact that really doesn’t fit well into any sort of feminist patriarchy theory. With a total of 1,505,000 men and 114,000 women in prison in 2009, we’re talking about somewhere around—by a rough estimate—85,000 men raped in prisons and around 3,000 women.

How many women are raped each year in the general population?

Somewhere around 90,000. That’s counting all reported rapes, not limiting the count to those that were actually proven and resulted in conviction. And it’s not making any kind of distinction between “gunpoint rapes” and murkier cases. The real number may rise when counting unreported rapes, but it will also fall when removing false reports, mutually intoxicated sex retroactively considered rape because of regret, and other such cases. As Cathy Young pointed out, it will also fall comparatively when removing “manipulated sex” numbers that should be compared not to the number of men who’ve been “raped” in the general population, but to the number of men who’ve been “made to penetrate.” So all considered, it’s a pretty reasonable estimate that should land somewhere close to the middle of a realistic range of the most likely numbers.

Piecing all of this together, we can draw the very reasonable conclusion that approximately as many men are in fact raped in the United States as women, especially once prisons are counted. Indeed, it is entirely possible given the data we have now that accounting for the data on prison rape would actually entail that more men are raped in the United States each year than women. And as other research points out,

People tend to look at sexual assault almost exclusively as a crime against women, but this study shows that there is a different way of looking at the crime,” said Felson. Females who are 15 years old are about nine times more likely than 35-year-old females to be raped, and about 4.75 times more likely to be raped than 25-year-old females . . . A 15-year-old boy is more likely to be a victim of a sexual assault than a 40-year-old woman. Young people — both male and female — are the most likely targets of rape and other sexual assaults . . . The most frequent victims of [sexual] assaults are 15 years old, regardless of gender . . .

In other words, it makes more sense to worry about a culture of pedophilia than the Left’s supposed patriarchal “rape culture.”

Furthermore, we can read in the sanitized language of the 2010 BJS report referenced in an earlier link that “White or multi-racial inmates reported higher rates of inmate-on-inmate sexual victimization in prisons and jails than black inmates.” How much higher? Though this report gives the exact numbers and percentages for nearly every other claim it makes, this one is conspicuously omitted.

Crucially, the report also omits the question of who these victims were being raped by.

But we have in fact known what the answer to this question is for decades. One of the single most red–pilling events for me in my entire life was coming from a background where I knew leftists involved in activism, and academics involved in studying, nearly every disparity involved in the criminal justice system imaginable—and yet, not once in my entire life did one of them mention this fact or even display any signs of being aware of it at all, despite the fact that the research is copious and consistent.
As you can read in this research summary:

The fact remains that blacks continually and almost exclusively rape whites in prison. The evidence is based on studies conducted over the last 40 years (Davis 1968; Nacci 1978; Lookwood 1980; Starchild 1990). Why does this white victim preference prevail? Whites continue to be raped more severely and frequently and at a disproportionate rate than any other racial or ethnic group (in Gones 1967; Bowker 1980; Lookwood 1980). This racial inequality may be the largest in any violent crime committed in the United States. . . . Even if the minority of prisoners are black, the majority of victims are white (Sacco 1982, p. 91). When Lookwood (1980, p. 28) asked ‘targets’ to identify their aggressors at the time of their rape, most were black (80%), some were Hispanic (14%), and a few were white (6%). . . . Although many causation factors have been suggested for prison rape, they are all overshadowed by the racial categories of the victims and the rapists. Prison rape has been shown throughout this study to be racially motivated by predominantly black inmates specifically against white inmates who in turn are the victims. . . . racial hatred of whites by blacks appears to be the main force driving prison rape.

To put specific numbers on this, the report notes that studies consistently find that more than 90% of prison rapes are inter-racial and racially motivated. Blacks are found to be some 80% of the perpetrators, and whites are the vast majority of victims. Again, this is easily accessible in a peer-reviewed report published at a mainstream outlet. (So how are desegregated prisons working out for us now, huh?)

Can you connect the dots now? THIS is what political correctness means. “Political correctness” doesn’t mean making everyone use polite wording and asking people not to be mean. “Political correctness” means that because we won’t openly acknowledge the reality of the problem, white men raped by black men are literally one of the largest—and very possibly even the largest—category of sexual assault in the entirety of the whole United States, and you’ve been so ill-informed about this fact that I would sound like an alien if I were to say so in public, even though it is absolutely true.

Let me repeat that one more time so it sinks in: One of, and possibly the single largest demographic category of rape in the United States is the rape of white men by black men.

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  1. Sursum corda
    Posted November 21, 2017 at 5:10 pm | Permalink

    I dream of a world where these human flotsam and jetsam can be dumped back into their hell hole of a homeland in Africa. They are a problem with no solution. Mandatory deportation is the only solution. Africans mean Africa. I have no desire to have Africa living alongside me and my people.

  2. Right_On
    Posted November 21, 2017 at 5:16 pm | Permalink

    It’s shameful that the MSM don’t carry evidence-based, revelatory articles like this one.
    But one thing that puzzles me (as an Englishman!) is this: As the USA is a nation where an elderly woman was awarded $2.86 million after spilling a cup of scalding McDonald’s coffee on herself – and there have been so many other infamous “frivolous” lawsuits – I don’t understand why sexually-assaulted inmates can’t successfully sue the prison authorities for so egregiously failing in their “duty of care”. And why aren’t the prison rapists being prosecuted?
    Apologies if I am being naive!

    • lonehome
      Posted November 22, 2017 at 6:17 am | Permalink

      Yes, we do have problem with frivolous lawsuits here in Burgerland, but the McD’s coffee cup case was not frivolous. There is no need for coffee to be hot enough to give you third degree burns.

    • Jack Rurik
      Posted November 23, 2017 at 2:55 am | Permalink

      The differences between England and America are so interesting to me. In some cases, England has it worse, in other cases it’s us. In this case, I wager our Zionist police state is further along than the English one across the pond.

      While American is presented as a very litigious society, this frivolous legal wrangling is often used to mask the fact than many people and places are simply beyond our legal redress.

      In America it is basically not possible to sue a policeman, no matter what they have done on the job. And because they are of the same law enforcement “caste” as prosecutors and judges, it is even difficult to sue one for something done off the job in their personal life. Likewise, prisons, prison wardens, guards, prison doctors, federal agents, border and immigration police, airport TSA/police, air marshals, ATF/CIA/NSA/FBI members, spies, military commands, and even some municipal, state, and federal public servants cannot be sued by citizens for intentional wrongs committed against them. In some cases, there are laws which declare such people and institutions can’t be sued and so any case filing is immediately dismissed. In other cases, byzantine procedure subterfuge is used. In one recent NYC case, a man was awarded a rare multi-million dollar judgement by the city for police misconduct, but the man then died under mysterious circumstances and the last I heard the city has sought to vacate the judgement.

      I had set out in this comment to try to share some lawsuit info to my brother across the pond, but I think a bigger issue might be that this article brings to light that we are again distracted by our tormentors to the benefit of their handlers.

      It’s unacceptable that white men are raped by black men in prison, but really, is it not our anti-white government that is the accomplice before and after the fact? Three centuries ago, black men were brought here on slave ships owned by men with names like Moshe and Mordecai. One century ago, those same sorts of men began teaching these black men to hate white men. Today, these black men act on their hate against us at epidemic proportions, while Moshe and Mordecai constrain our attempts to fight back.

  3. Aaron
    Posted November 21, 2017 at 10:44 pm | Permalink

    Thanks for writing this, it needs to become common knowledge.

  4. BjornThorsønn
    Posted November 22, 2017 at 1:39 am | Permalink

    “One of, and possibly the single largest demographic category of rape in the United States is the rape of white men by black men.”
    And would I be far off if I guessed that the second largest demographic category is white women raped by black men?

  5. Proofreader
    Posted November 23, 2017 at 7:39 am | Permalink

    Aedon Cassiel,

    You seem to have a strong interest in statistics. Do you have any opinion regarding the books by Joel Best (e.g., Stat-Spotting: A Field Guide to Identifying Dubious Data, Damned Lies and Statistics: Untangling Numbers from the Media, Politicians, and Activists, and More Damned Lies and Statistics: How Numbers Confuse Public Issues)? They look like they might be worth reading regarding bad statistics.

    It might also be worthwhile to study and make use of the growing literature on infographics.

  6. E
    Posted November 23, 2017 at 2:05 pm | Permalink

    “as much of a problem as Weinstein himself”

    “moral cowards and selfish prostitutes”

    • Aedon Cassiel
      Posted November 26, 2017 at 12:27 pm | Permalink

      I’m drawing a distinction here between women who actually were raped by Harvey Weinstein, particularly early on in his career, and women who willingly went to work with him even after his reputation had been very well–established. My argument is not that every woman who was raped by Harvey Weinstein was as bad as Weinstein himself. Obviously, that would be an absurd and repugnant argument to make. My argument is that at some point, Weinstein’s behavior became a very well–known “open secret,” and it is extremely unlikely that beyond this point, every single woman Weinstein managed to catch in his web had no idea what was going on and was caught like a deer in headlights. Realistically, by the time his behavior became so well-known, they were willing to feed into his malignant behavior if it advanced their careers. Why else would you sign a contract with someone like Weinstein, when you knew what his deal was? My argument is that the tendency to think that all of these women were necessarily victims is the result of a tendency to view women as being “incapable of agency,” and too innocent for it to possibly be true that any of them cared more about fame than stopping (or at least not directly contributing to the behavior of) a known abuser. With this number of ‘victims,’ this long after his behavior was well–known, that’s just mathematically impossible.

      I should make sure to emphasize that none of this is intended to let Weinstein at all off of the hook. Weinstein had an army of ex-Mossad Jew spies on the lookout for any who might speak out about his behavior. People who were worried about Russia swaying the U.S. election by releasing information to the American public should have been having a field day all over this point, but of course it involves Israel so everyone concerned about foreign influence in the culture of the United States goes silent.

      Still, all of this was powerless to save Weinstein or silence his victims the moment people actually did come forward detailing their experiences. The very fact that Weinstein has now faced his downfall and was powerless to stop it from happening absolutely proves once and for all that these women weren’t powerless to stop him because of whatever social power he was supposed to have had. But given that we’re talking about the kinds of people who dream of making it big in Hollywood, and given that we’re talking about years where his behavior was well known and people still kept voluntarily choosing to work with him to pursue greater fame, part of the picture here is that many of these women just didn’t care enough to do what had to be done.

      Eventually, enough women did do what needed to be done that we have that to thank for Weinstein’s resulting destruction. They should be heralded for that. You’ll get no argument from me on that point. Harvey Weinstein is a disgusting degenerate. But there’s an extremely high probability that some of the women in Hollywood who willingly chose to work with him even after his reputation was out and well-known were, too.

  7. Kilo 4/11
    Posted November 27, 2017 at 7:24 am | Permalink

    … “when asked about experiences in the last 12 months, men reported being “made to penetrate”—either by physical force or due to intoxication” …

    On many levels, I can’t process this. You’re telling me there are women out there forcing men’s dicks into their cunts? And that they had to get the guy drunk first? And that these guys are calling it “rape”? I know I’m getting old, and the world is changing a little faster than I can keep up with, but stuff like this makes me wonder if there isn’t a parallel universe out there.

    • Aedon Cassiel
      Posted November 27, 2017 at 8:40 am | Permalink

      All good questions. My purpose wasn’t to argue that there’s an epidemic of men being “made to penetrate” so much as that we need to keep the epidemic of drunken one night stand regret-rape in context, because the counterpart to those numbers aren’t the number of men who are “raped” but the number of men who are “made to penetrate.”

      However, things like “have sex with me or I’ll call the cops and tell them where you hide your drugs,” for a random example, would also fall under this category. “Have sex with me, or I’ll hit myself then call the cops and tell them you beat me.” There are plenty of genuinely manipulative and evil ways women can (and do) acquire sex with someone who doesn’t want to have sex with them.

      • Kilo 4/11
        Posted November 27, 2017 at 8:48 am | Permalink

        Thank you for the eye-opener. I feel both sheepish and fortunate about my ignorance in these matters.

  8. Maxwell Belzec
    Posted November 30, 2017 at 9:55 pm | Permalink

    The Statistics and History of most subjects does not bend to politics. The way it is regarded or presented has a whole lot do with it. I have studied history for years, researched countless pieces of information, this serves no purpose if the establishment refuses to address the data, process, and hold it up as fact simple because it doesn’t fit a “Progressive” narrative. We have seen this with numerous other types of data (like yours), and how politics will draw out the pieces that fit their narrative and discard the rest. From reasoning behind wars to revisionist history aimed at tailoring the historical narrative of certain countries, until we remove the Zionist controlled academic intelligencia, nothing is going to change.

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