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If you are reading Counter-Currents, chances are that you are an oldhead. For one, Counter-Currents has been around a long time during which time it has accumulated longtime followers. Also it tends to be somewhat “advanced” white nationalism. Some of the articles about esoteric fascist philosophers may not be best suited to beginners. So even if you are a new Counter-Currents regular, there is still a high probability that you’ve been around “the scene” before coming here. In other words, you are probably an oldhead.
I want you to look at this picture has been making the rounds, but look at it as an oldhead.
It is from a party of young right-wingers in New York. The two things stand out about this picture.
First, the picture is not just very white but ostentatiously gentile. Second, you notice that these ain’t your daddy’s Republicans. These Republicans are sexier and an order of magnitude more fond of Hitler jokes than their parents’ generation of Republicans. No one in the crowd even remotely resembles Alex P. Keaton and there is not a token black in sight. This picture symbolizes the death of the old guard as the new generation of based and redpilled youth have stormed the palace. It is one hell of a picture. Whoever took it deserves an award. It captures a certain energy and you almost feel like you are there in the room with them.
Leftists like to say that fascism is the anesthetization of politics and indeed, the fact that the picture is so aesthetically pleasing does give it an implicitly fascist vibe. The people in the above picture are not merely “not your daddy’s Republicans” but also not your daddy’s Dissident Rightists. We are now very far away from the like of oddballs like Chris Cantwell, Matt Heimbach, and Patrick Little. The people in this picture look normal, possibly even neurotypical. Dare I say, have we succeeded in redpilling the normies?
Now, I don’t want to get into a debate whether these people are truly /OurGuys/ or whether they NRx, groypers, normie MAGA, or whatever. I think in the Elon era, these factional distinctions matter a lot more to content creators than content consumers who tend to see it all as one thing. Content creators get into factionalism because they have to sell you on why you should listen to them rather than the other guy but I think the average right-wing content consumer on X sees nothing wrong with whoever they think makes good tweets and probably couldn’t tell you which faction each person belonged to. It’s normal to go to people’s Twitter pages and see them retweeting guys from all over the right. The point is that the people in the picture are the product of right-wing internet and so I claim them.
Looking at this picture as an oldhead, you can feel a range of emotions. Of course, you could feel jealousy at their youth and the fact that there weren’t any cool Hitler joke parties with hot women at them when you were their age. Another emotion you might feel is resentment. The old heads spent years laying of the intellectual groundwork and refining many of the arguments that ultimately discredited the neocon’s intellectual class. It was the Alt Right that made being right-wing cool. Do the people in this picture have any conception of how many lives were destroyed in the process of pushing Dissident Right ideas into the national conversation, ideas which they repeat with no idea where they originated? And yet Greg Johnson, Mike Enoch, and Kevin MacDonald are not invited to the party.
I can understand some slight annoyance that the early adopters, the people who sacrificed the most, are not the primary beneficiaries of their labor. We oldheads are like black 1950s rock pioneers watching suburban white kids get rich ripping us off.
However, my feelings looking at this picture are those of satisfaction. For me, redpilling the normies was the whole point and in doing so, there is some vindication in proving that you weren’t crazy to believe what you did because here are some normal people who also believe it. Or at least, is proves that you don’t have to be crazy. I have never claimed to sane.
But to the oldhead, the victory is bittersweet. “The movement” will never again be what it once was, which was a ragtag band of bohemian eccentrics, autistic political theory nerds, and rebels with more than few sociopaths sprinkled in for seasoning. It will gradually professionalize and in the process may be less fun. What was once punk rock become mainstream pop. As the Overton Window shifts, the danger declines and if we are being honest, the danger was always kind of part of the thrill. White nationalism was riding the tiger: you either ride white nationalism to victory or the tiger eats you. But at last, Elon Musk has put the tiger to rest. I think DOGE employee Marko Elez getting rehired after it was discovered he made racist statements is a historical event of Rosa Parks magnitude. The last of Con Inc’s gatekeeping machinery has broken down.
There is also some bittersweetness in passing the baton to the new generation of pro-whites. While it is good that they will never know the levels of persecution pro-whites experienced in the past, in some ways they will be worse off for it. When white nationalists were on YouTube, they had to learn to make their arguments as politely as possible and there was a lot of value in learning to do that. The new generation will never know what it is like to be one word away from losing your channel. Back in the day, people had to use all sorts of codes like “you know who’s” instead of Jews and whatnot.
It’s something of a contradiction. On one hand, the persecution and censorship white nationalists faced in the past was something I fought to end and yet part of me finds it lamentable that future generations of whites will never have that kind of activist boot camp because it did force us to be smarter activists.
But there is also some relief in allowing the new generation take the lead. Activists tend to burn out after a certain amount of time. Even the ones who don’t get blackpilled get tired of talking about race all the time and might want to make more content about their other interests. The movement needs a constant inflow of new people to bring that missionary zeal of the newly converted. Remember when you had that? Back when you were first redpilled and were ready to take over the world? If you’re an oldhead, you probably haven’t felt that way in a while, but we need people who do. Also, oldheads can be overly cautious. We’ve known defeat too many times and it can make us conservative. Sometimes we don’t realize when the Overton Window has shifted. So there is some benefit to having some young people around to charge the machine gun nest because they don’t know not to.
The mission of the Alt Right was to take ideas that were fringe and push them into the mainstream and perhaps it took a certain type of person to do that, particularly one with a high tolerance for social disapproval. Now that this mission has been largely completed, it may require a different type of person to take it to the next level higher.
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This is the photo that internet sleuths discovered was cropped so as to not see the black people on the perimeter.
I wouldn’t say this has propagandistic market stall potential like Korda’s che photo. The real standouts here are hot girl in the black and white dress and christian grey studjack in the navy blazer to the right. The one below the R is clearly jewish and girl below the N needs to find the bathroom.
We could start a new Baywatch with this cast.
Baywatch has more than 3-4 hot people.
I don’t care about the movement being “punk rock.” My goal isn’t to be part of a club, it’s to win politically.
At the same time, I’m not reading nearly as much into that magazine cover as you. It’s certainly an improvement over the Republicans, but New York magazine saying “Oy vey, it’s like another shoah” doesn’t mean much to me. I’d wager these people are just edgier and more productive conservatives.
I like that they look professional and are clean-cut, though.
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Good news, but what’s with the “oldhead” stuff? That’s coon talk. Next you’ll be writing “y’all”.
AceDeuce: February 13, 2025 Good news, but what’s with the “oldhead” stuff? That’s coon talk. Next you’ll be writing “y’all”.
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Coontalk is using the Ebonic word “woke” instead of “Politically Correct.”
You got something against us unreconstructed Rebs, Ace? Just because CSA came out on the losing end to you Yanks doesn’t mean we were wrong about preserving our race and our traditions. Appears to me, many of y’all are fleeing your darkened northern cities for our sunny rural south. What’s with that?
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The people in the above picture are not merely… your daddy’s Dissident Rightists. We are now very far away from the likes of oddballs like Chris Cantwell, Matt Heimbach, and Patrick Little.
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I like “oldhead,” being one, over “boomer” that seems to have become a slur of disrespect by know-it-all youngsters. I’m a dissident, all right, but not in the Right-wing, nor ever was I associated with the half-baked, social media-driven Alt-right. Whatever happened to those losers, anyway?
I’ve never heard of Chris Cantwell or Patrick Little. Should I have”? I did have the pleasure of bumping into Mr. Heimbach years ago. He had his entourage of obsequious followers gathered around him and decided to debate me in front of them about religion and race, a couple of my favorite subjects; he with his traditional Catholic bullshit, as I attempted to explain Dr. Pierce’s Cosmotheism. The exchange would have played well as a Saturday Night Live skit, ending with Heimbach actually saying Jesus was going to come down through the clouds on a white horse. Maybe Matt persuaded his young fans that he was right with that line of patter, since he’d said it with a straight face. That was my cue to walk away. I heard later that he had screwed one of his close associate’s wife? Sounds right.
This is a thoughtful article, but White kids today don’t need to try to completely reinvent the wheel; they could use the firm hand of an “oldhead” like William Pierce on their shoulders to impart his wisdom and experience to guide them: video.natall.com
Appears to me, many of y’all are fleeing your darkened northern cities for our sunny rural south. What’s with that? New Yorkers flee to Florida, not Mississippi. And the sunny south is as darkened as the big city swamps. I’ve heard of many heads pot, hop, sneaker, shit, snapper, and pin but never ‘oldhead.’ ‘Boomer’ follows a similar trajectory and feel as ‘faggot’ does for me. You could be a straight woman and be the latter. Wimpishly lame and microaggressed in chronic kvetch mode over WN books in a birdhouse. A boomer doesn’t necessarily mean 60-78 but being a submissive and raceless follower of the diktats of zog, to hell with unallowed thoughts. They’re just crazy and bad to the boomer-brained. Many in the above photo are certainly boomerspiritual and would sell out everyone on here, White unity be damned to keep their pricey tchotchkes and dark brandon status. Disagreement and challenge, especially on racial and jooish matters, will always be unacceptable cause shimon says. Muscular pit bulls on ‘freedom and liberty’ talk become the shuddering dog Ambrosius in Labyrinth when jews are displeased with goylings who tweet and speak out of line. The ‘oldheads’ I admire are old enough to be Dr. Pierce’s grandparents. Still, it’s somewhat encouraging that the days of bill o’reilly and newt gingrich as the shriveled faces of republicans are over. Intelligent, attractive Whites that are suckered in the gop swamp though, their attraction rating plummets. It’s like their tramp stamp after birthing a mulatto.
Uncle Semantic, quoting me and responding: February 14, 2025 Appears to me, many of y’all are fleeing your darkened northern cities for our sunny rural south. What’s with that?
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New Yorkers flee to Florida, not Mississippi. And the sunny south is as darkened as the big city swamps…
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Mississippians can speak for themselves. Around here, in the practically all-White Upper Northeast corner of Tennesse of southern Appalachia, we call Yanks who flee to Florida then decide it’s not for them for one reason or another, so leave and try to settle here,“halfacks.” Get it? They come just halfway back to very dark New York or Philadelphia or Chicago, or wherever. We tolerate them and hope, as kinsmen, they will acclimate to our southern ways and assimilate with their host population. Some don’t.
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The ‘oldheads’ I admire are old enough to be Dr. Pierce’s grandparents.
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Pierce was a life-long son of the South, proud of his roots. However, he was not a Confederate flag-waving regional nationalist, like some southern WNs are. Read abut his southern roots from him, here: Reality Check | National Vanguard
My great-great-grandfather on my mother’s side of the family was Thomas Hill Watts, attorney general of the Confederacy under Jefferson Davis and later governor of Alabama. His portrait is on the $10 Confederate bill. He also had been a member of the council of secession which voted for secession from the Union, and then he served as a colonel in the Confederate Army, commanding the 17th Alabama Infantry Regiment in the bloody battle of Corinth, Mississippi…
Read more of this excellent essay by Pierce at the link. You might even come to admire “oldhead” great-great grandpa Watts for his fighting spirit for the southern cause, and learn what happened to him under “reconstruction.”
Be thankful that some of us Rebs were never reconstructed.
I’m curious, if you don’t mind. When you say that when the word “boomer” is used to describe those of us in the age group 60-78, it prompts the same feeling in you as when you hear the word “faggot.” Might that mean that you are a homosexual? Just asking.
When you say that when the word “boomer” is used to describe those of us in the age group 60-78, it prompts the same feeling in you as when you hear the word “faggot.” Might that mean that you are a homosexual? Just asking. To your question, no I am not. The age bracket of the boomer is 1946-64, aged 60-78. The attitude embodied in the ‘ok, boomer’ meem is entirely different from age. Same with the other word which I outlined the reasons above. Both are demobilizing and canned kosher conformities for an easy mark. Plenty of people would agree with me. The older people on CC are hardly boomered. When us Yanks as you call us move, we’re not trying to convert Johnson City into Brooklyn 2.0. I was in a telegram chat for years with someone from that area and the conversations were cordial enough. Californians bring their ruinous ways to TX, CO, the northwest and elsewhere to remake the new place into the old they’ve destroyed. If moving, we attempt assimilation by adapting to you. The worst of Californians impose and demand you be like them.
“I’ve never heard of Chris Cantwell or Patrick Little. Should I have ?”
I don’t know if you “should have” or not, Will ─ I don’t try to keep up with the drama ─ but Christopher Cantwell is the guy who took a sidearm to Charlottesville (or something like that) and then got hammered for it by the Feds, and “Walmart journalist” Elle Reeve, then did hit pieces in lamestream media (among other things) and made much hay about his demeanor as the “Crying Nazi.”
Patrick Little ran for political offices in California and Idaho on an extreme “It’s the Jews” (and nothing else) platform, and actually carried a “Jews Rape Kids” placard to a demostration, which is a strategy that could have just as easily been crafted by a team of ADL agents provocateur.
“Edginess” might sell podcast subscriptions ─ especially to Mom’s basement-dwellers ─ but it is not necessarily the best propaganda, and it has serious limits for selling and actually educating.
What usually steams me is the endless “it’s the Boomers” nonsense from “Baudretard” -tier punks with litte self-awareness of their own regarding modern social media, nor clue on the history of how we actually got to where we are. Some of them seriously must have Daddy or Granddaddy issues, but that sounds like a personal problem to me.
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There are two common schools of thought here:
Those who do remember the Before-Time, i.e., before the Internet forever changed research as profoundly as the printing press did in the 15th century, and those who don’t.
Those who don’t remember, frequently have just as much of a problem with objective reality or “History as it really was” (to borrow from von Ranke) as us Boomers.
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I looked up the term Old Head, and also in the “Urban Dictionary,” and it is apparently Baltimore (African) talk for a mentor or an elderly person who should step aside.
I don’t feel offended, though. In Amateur Radio ─ which is a gerontocracy with the median age of about 68 (which makes me a youngster, even though I have had an FCC ticket since 1985), what Amateurs or “Hams” call a mentor is affectionately called an “Elmer.”
Regardless of whether we are really ready for the Elmer’s glue factory or should “step aside” somehow, I think that all White people could do with more mentoring.
Richard Spencer (Gen. X) once opined that there had not been any Generation X Presidents, while there had already been four Baby Boomers (Clinton, George W., Obama, and Trump). But that just sounds like sour grapes to me.
The X’ers (born 1965-1983) often have the gray hair now, so what’s their problem?
Vice President Vance (born 1984) is a “Millennial.” We used to call them Generation Y’s.
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What absolute nonsense!
The picture at the top of this article is much better (along with many others):
https://www.vox.com/2024-elections/373535/3-theories-gop-donald-trump-nonwhite-voters-hispanic-black-latino-asian
The article also helps to explain Trump’s “victory”, which, by the way, was not a “landslide” by any stretch of the imagination (a true landslide was Nixon in 1972, Trump won the popular vote by one of the smallest margins since the 19th century). So, just think about that…Trump, unlike previous Republicans, had to get massive, unprecedented numbers of nonwhites on his side just to win, and he still didn’t win by a landslide. What does that say about the demographics (and demographic future) of America?
Some of the scruffy people in your photo don’t even look White, but I guess that is also your point.
Yes ─ although the Electoral Vote is the only thing that matters ─ Trump’s 2024 victory was not really a landslide.
My older cousin, Jean Westwood was the DNC Chair in 1972 ─ the first woman to hold the position ─ and Nixon’s landslide in 1972 was less about Nixon than that the Democratic party itself had hit the shoals in 1968 and 1972 over Civil Rights and especially Vietnam, which had been the golden “baby” of the Democrat establishment (and the party’s martyred saint, JFK). Plus, the pro-segregationist Gov. George Wallace, who my parents voted for on a rare third-party ticket in 1968 that actually earned some Electoral Votes, was shot and dropped out of the Democratic Party race in 1972. Wallace’s delegates went to McGovern thanks to the Westwoods.
Anyway, Trump’s 2024 “Landslide” should not really be dismissed, however, because being elected to a non-consecutive term like Grover Cleveland is extremely remarkable.
New York Democrat Gov. Al Smith unsucessfully ran for President in 1928 against Hoover, and he was the first Cath0lic to do so. Smith did not get the Party nomination in 1932, and thus felt cheated by fellow NY Gov. Franklin Delano Roosevelt because the Democrats could have run a yellow dog and won in 1932.
During and after FDR’s first term, however, Smith became a critic of his power-grabbing and criticized FDR’s proliferation of “alphabet soup” agencies. Smith credited Jefferson, Jackson, and Cleveland as the authentic greats of the old Democratic Party.
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There was an electoral victory but people are living in fantasy land thinking this is all over and done with. Close to half of the USA voted against Trump.
All the executive orders and DOGE changes are happening fast. Some might be great but not all of them will succeed. The Left is busy filing lawsuits and writing a new “Narrative” on how this or that order is bad for middle of the road normal folks for voted Trump. If all the changes put a lot of government workers out of work before they can be absorbed into the private sector expect a Democratic landslide in midterm elections.
I’m not sure what dream world the author is living in, but I wouldn’t mind a couple of tickets to it. First, we are given next to zero context about this picture. It merely says that it’s “a party of young right-wingers in New York.” Um, okay. What organization are they in, if any? What exactly makes them right-wing? In what way are they representative of anything anyone reading this magazine would support, other than merely being white? When was the pic actually taken? If the “old guard” of the dissident right (from all the way back in 2016, by the way) like Matt Heimback or TRS are no longer relevant, how about identifying at least one of the individuals in the pic and telling us what they have done and why they are the future? To find out any additional info on these folks, I’d have to read the New Yorker. Odds are, anyone reading CC has no desire to do that. I know I don’t.
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the persecution and censorship white nationalists faced in the past was something I fought to end and yet part of me finds it lamentable that future generations of whites will never have that kind of activist boot camp because it did force us to be smarter activists.
Is it April 1st? Are we being punked? While the “heat” against the dissident right may have cooled down a little, in what way are our ideas even remotely mainstream or not subject to persecution from the establishment? How is Elan (a man who is not remotely one of us) saving us from any of that? He’s getting endless amounts of shit for supposedly giving a Roman salute. The campaign against Kanye West is another great example of how completely un-mainstream our ideas still are. Anti-white messaging in the media and culture is just as strong as it ever was. In fact, if Trump’s first administration is any indication, it’s about to ramp up. One pic on the cover of a magazine that hates us isn’t going to change that. This is a “victory” article that is several decades premature, I’m afraid.
Elon did a Roman salute and yet he is still in the Trump administration. Kanye West went on a deranged rant about Hitler and yet he is still on Twitter (btw, I am not a Nazi fetishist so I don’t see Kanye as promoting “our ideas).
Patrick Casey writes for the Blaze now. Darren Beattie is Under Secretary of State for Public Diplomacy and Public Affairs. White nationalist Leonarda Jonie just did an interview with Rossanne Barr. If you think nothing is happening, you are either not paying attention or find comfort in defeatism.
This is not to say that there is not still work to be done. You could say the ideas do not yet totally qualify as “mainstream” but IMO, it’s fait accompli.
Musk did a regular wave to the crowd and not an actual Roman salute.
It’s just that the nattering nabobs in the lamestream media called him out on it and he did not tuck tail between his legs and apologize like most GOP cuckholds would have. That is fairly significant at least, but still faint praise.
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One of the many flaws in the ‘Racial Right’ is the fact that it worships money. These White people are not ‘pro-White’. They’re just well-off and live in 90% White Nationalist conditions because they have the wealth to create and protect those conditions. No Section 8 housing near daddy’s and mummy’s estates, I’ll bet.
I’m happy for them. But I doubt a single one of them support the right of poor and working-class Whites to the kind of ‘White Nationalist conditions’ they possess.
No ‘baton’ of pro-White attitudes or pro-White activism is being passed to these people.
They already have all the ‘White Nationalism’ money can buy.
I like the magnificent blonde up front but I think you’re reading too much into the picture.
Uncle Semantic: February 14, 2025 …To your question, no I am not [queer]. The age bracket of the boomer is 1946-64, aged 60-78. The attitude embodied in the ‘ok, boomer’ meem is entirely different from age.
I checked several dictionaries and there is pretty much agreement among them that “boomer’ is an age range, not some “attitude” or “meem.” Merriam-Webster tells us:
baby boomer – noun: a person born during a period of time in which there is a marked rise in a population’s birth rate : a person born during a baby boom
WikiJews tell us that the generation of those of us born between 1928 to 1945 are the Silent Generation, sandwiched between the so-called Greatest Generation and us boomers. WikiJews, again, describe why they may be defined as silent:
A reason later proposed for this perceived silence is that as young adults during the McCarthy Era, many members of the Silent Generation felt it was unwise to speak out.
Sounds like a bunch of pusillanimous pansies. No wonder I never heard of the Silent Generation. They certainly weren’t silent during the destructive, Jew-led counterculture and snivel rights movements. How ’bout renaming them the Shabbos goy Generation? ;o}
My parents are members of the Silent Generation, and so is Joe Biden. They were never so “silent” unless the only frame of reference is the noise generated by the hippie movement in the ’60s and ’70s, much of which was actually about the Vietnam Draft.
A few of the oldest Baby Boomers did hit Draft age in 1964 when the youngest Boomers were just being born, so I am not sure that it is fair to say that the Silent Generation was really so silent ─ even if the anti-war protests are for some reason the great barometer.
My Silent Genration Dad was a missile and aerospace engineer, and he turned 30 in 1968 ─ the prime age for making political and social change according to a certain avuncular Austrian painter ─ but Dad was hardly a hippie or somebody who would have attended Woodstock in 1969.
Thankfully, the Silent Generation (born after 1946) were never fetishized like the “Greatest Generation” (WWII era), but they were not blamed for everything the came after WWII either ─ like the Baby Boomers (1946-1964) are to people who are too young to remember the adult world before the Internet (ca. 1993).
Other than in “astrology,” the main demographic feature of the Baby Boomers is simply that after WWII, birthrates temporarily recovered slightly after having been depressed following the Great Depression (1929-42) and the earlier agricultural depression of the 1920s when the young men of farm families, sometimes numbering a dozen siblings, were forced to go to the big city looking for work.
The Baby Boom cohort is not as massive comparatively as people often make it out to be ─ but other than the kids that the Boomers themselves had, the subsequent generations have been a big demographic bust, and now White birthrates often don’t even meet replacement levels (which must change somehow).
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NYC socialites in black tie are Normies?
not a token black in sight
There’s a rather suspect-looking scalp just above the word TABLE.
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