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John Morgan and Survive the Jive join Fróði Midjord on the latest Guide to Kulchur to discuss the neo-pagan classic, The Wicker Man (the original, not the Nicolas Cage abomination). They discuss the film’s ways of contrasting European paganism — or at least, a modern conception of paganism — with Christianity, its influence on neo-pagan and New Right culture, and Survive the Jive evaluates the film’s use of traditional pagan imagery and practices for their accuracy and meaning. Summer is a-comin’ in! The episode is available on both YouTube and Spreaker (see below).
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Are you people for real? Yeah, let’s return to paganism to turn the tide. Maybe Thor can rescue you with his magic hammer. Sorry to burst your childish bubble, but you won’t stop any of the insanity in the culture today apart from a return to The Logos and the reality rooted in The Church founded by Him.
Given that you wrote this comment less than fifteen minutes after we posted this, which means that you can’t have possibly listened to the entire program, it’s obvious that you don’t actually know what we said, given that we said nothing about paganism “turning the tide.” But besides that, the fact that people like you believe that your very not-gay Church, whose leader constantly berates Western countries for not taking in even more immigrants and spends his time kissing the feet of black and brown people, has anything to do with saving the West is the biggest laugh of all.
Christianity already incorporates a great deal of pagan belief, ritual and custom. Read Russell’s “Germanization of Early Medieval Christianity” (favorably reviewed by American paleo-con Sam Francis, hardly a devotee of Thor). I don’t want to see White Identity split into pagan and Christian camps. I want a re-syncretized tradition that re-vitalizes Christianity and legitimizes the pagan elements it has co-opted without due credit. The way forward is to de-emphasize modern Christianity’s monotheistic universalism (which is largely Judaic in origin) and widen the tent to recognize Christ’s divinity while giving Thor his due. I believe the ancestors of every people have made their own places for their tribes in the hereafter. Christians can still “have no other God before Me” without denying the existential reality of the spirits they do not revere.
“I don’t want to see White Identity split into pagan and Christian camps”
I don’t, either. But otherwise your comment cannot be taken seriously by either Christians or atheists. I see no reason at all to allow any intellectual space for anything “pagan”. There are no pagan deities. On that point, both Christians and atheists can agree. Modern men of the West just might be persuaded to return to Christ, but only tiny, sociologically (but not theologically) interesting movements/cults will ever seriously participate in any form of pagan worship.
Although I am philosophically agnostic, I was raised Christian. I have no great background in theology or Church history, but I know just enough to be aware of the tremendous intellectual richness of the Christian tradition as compared to every other non-Christian religion, with the possible exception of Judaism. If God exists, I think the Christian, deist, and Jewish versions (in that order) are the strongest contenders for being cosmically correct.
The real problem wrt Christianity and race is no different from that of “university and race” or “mass media and race”. It is that the “elites” of every Western institution have succumbed to what I think of as the “neo-pagan” cult of Diversity. Why this should be so must surely rank as THE most important issue in modern social psychology. But simply because the university system has been colonized and conquered by the diversitist Left, one does not thereby call this diversitism an inevitable by-product of the university itself (which is what the diversitists would love everyone to believe). The solution is to take back and clean up the universities – not to condemn university education per se. Likewise, that Pope Fidel is an a$$hole says nothing about whether his racial views are an inevitable product of core Christian ethics (they aren’t).
Why do so many WNs seek to throw the baby of Christianity out with the bathwater of diversitist church pollution? I suspect it’s because a lot of WNs don’t like Christ and His message anyway, and they wrap this politically irrelevant personal dislike inside of their more acceptable ethic of racial preservation. How one views Christianity, more than anything else it seems, is what separates and differentiates White patriot conservatives and White power neo-Nazis.
If you want to watch a fun sort of take-off, check out the 1988 movie Spellbinder.
Survive the Jive said that only Thor desired human sacrifice while the other gods were content with animal sacrifice. I would offer the suggestion that under the guise of medical research we have animal sacrifice to lengthen and improve the quality of human life.
Would it be stretching a point to suggest that euthanasia was a human sacrifice to save the pension system?
Celebrating animal and/or human sacrifices is a slippery slope which should have stopped two thousand years ago.
Who is celebrating human and/or animal sacrifices?
You let the cinematographic meaning of the hare pass.
In the end, when the detective is captured, christopher lee talks about the hunter being the hunt. It seems to me, to be there the symbology of the hare, as bait.
Anyway, good podcast, excellent final 20 minutes
I’ve seen The Wicker Man (Christopher Lee version) only once, 17 years ago when a friend first got a new plasma TV. GREAT movie! Creepy due to its initial, superficial normality. I didn’t figure out what was supposed to happen until not too far from the end.
Still, please remember this: the further WNs move from their core focus on White racial survivalism, the less of a hearing they will receive from those most in need of racial enlightenment. The key issue is simple: White homelands are being colonized and demographically conquered by invited aliens. Returning to the status quo ex ante is ever harder. By now it may well necessitate violent rebellion. Stopping immigration can potentially appeal to vast numbers of Whites without any need to dilute that message with any other concerns.
Keep the eyes on the prize: White ethnostates (and protecting White ethnopolitical interests within multiracial states until then). The first requirement is stopping nonwhite immigration. That’s it. Until immigration has been halted, “building out” the White Right paradigm is interesting, but finally irrelevant. Anything which serves to divide Whites pre-immigration termination should be avoided.
“Guide to Kulchur,” as the name suggests, is a cultural program, we don’t talk about politics on it. All of us involved with it engage politically through many other avenues. And as I get tired of reiterating, a true revolutionary idea has to engage with all the aspects of civilization, not just the political. Merely talking spastically, incessantly, and monotonously about one topic is just as sure a recipe for failure as not talking about it.
To me, the idea of being White & Christian is just as bizarre as the idea of being White & Muslim.
The only difference being that, much like the abusive alcoholic family member who is invited to the yearly family reunion only because he’s related, one must tolerate his antics in a way that one would not tolerate the same thing from a random bum off the street who wandered into the party and partook in the same disruptive activities.
For the “We’ve been Christian for 2k years” folks– both of my parents, one Catholic and the other Presbyterian, basically stopped going to church as soon as they were legally able, I was never baptized, we never went to a single Christmas or Easter service as a child, and the area of the country I live in (the North) is very secular, nobody I knew or grew up with was actively religious, and the ones who were, were anti-social weirdos who engaged in extreme misanthropy.
For people my age (Millennial) and younger (Gen-Z), I don’t think that sort of a-religious / super-secular upbringing is super uncommon. And, unless you’re from a Christian family from the Bible Belt, to where being active in the church makes sense from a social POV, I don’t see the point in forcing yourself to accept a set of religious traditions (i.e., Semitic Abrahmsim)
As Greg Johnson’s stated previously here on CC as well as on various podcasts, all of these “go to church” types (especially when they add “and you’ll find good women there”) likely haven’t stepped foot in an actual church in years, if ever, and the extent of their theology is RadTrad FB discussing groups, populated primarily of other social outcasts, whose actual beliefs are just as “heretical” towards modern or historical Christianity (de-facto or de-jure) as any new agey neo-pagan type.
That said, we shold be intersectional with Christian conservatives where it makes sense to, while also asserting our own beliefs and ideals where it makes sense to as well.
In the short ghost story ‘The Shootings of Achnaleish’ (http://archive.vn/TgKWg) by E. F. Benson, first published in 1912, a party of four friends rent a shooting-lodge in Scotland and are told not to shoot any hares because the locals firmly believe their dead relatives are reincarnated as hares. The four friends of the hunting party also come close to suffering the same fate as Sergeant Howie at the hands of the locals. ‘Scottish Folk-lore’ (https://archive.org/details/scottishloreande00andeiala/page/192) by Duncan Anderson notes that ‘In Sillerton… no farmer might trap or kill a hare or even a rabbit, under any circumstances whatever – no, not even in his own kail-yard.’
In Norse mythology there was indeed a belief in rebirth/reincarnation: In ‘Völsungakviða in forna’/‘Helgakviða Hundingsbana II’ (http://heimskringla.no/wiki/V%C3%B6lsungakvi%C3%B0a_in_forna) it says at the end that ‘Þat var trúa í forneskju, at menn væri endbornir…’ / ‘It was believed in the past that people were reborn…’ – This is quite possibly connected to the ancient Norse/Nordic custom of naming one’s firstborn son after his paternal grandfather, the secondborn son after his maternal grandfather, and likewise with the girls and their grandmothers, which allows the ancestors to live on in their descendants – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebirth_in_Germanic_paganism
I meant to leave this comment on YT, but for some strange reason the comment section just will not load. Really makes you think.
I was disappointed that it wasn’t Britt Ekland’s arse that you see in the film but that of a stand in. She wouldn’t do it and was quite miffed when they shot it without her.
Good film all the same
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